[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 4 hours and 59 minutes remaining

11 Players still alive: Andorian, Blend, Coltaine, Dolmen2.0, HiddenOne, ItwasNom, JPK, Khellendros, Kotillion, Lady Bliss, Macros

6 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.

3 votes for Khellendros (Lady Bliss, JPK, Blend)
2 votes for ItWasNom (Coltaine, Andorian)


Players not voted: Dolmen2.0, HiddenOne, ItwasNom, Khellendros, Kotillion, Macros

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 22 September 2016 - 07:21 AM
Reason for edit: Dammit missed by a minute

[Khellendros]

Blend, on 22 September 2016 - 06:47 AM, said:

Okay.. so Khell is potentially deflecting the drama onto Nom... LadyB is still owning her shit. She's been after Khell, and wearing blinkers, for a while now...... I'm thinking my vote's prolly gonna go on Khell before I go to bed.

Bliss has only been attacking me since I went after her. Before that, she actually defended me a little at the beginning of day 1. So I find that reaction of hers interesting.

Blend, on 22 September 2016 - 06:58 AM, said:

Damn all you people for not being in my time zone and also staying up late....

vote Khell

Cause I think a Nom vote is stupid, especially when you consider the pile on that just happened on him.

You are exaggerrating somewhat. Cots and Ando voted for Nom, and then later on I added a third. That's not really the same as the fast pile on you intimate. What there has been, instead, is something I've already mentioned - up until my unexplained vote, most were echoing suspicions of Nom back and forth to each other. No one making an effort to defend him despite him at the time seeming like the probable lynch suggests that he might not be scum.

Of course, people are wary now after I placed such a scummy vote on him.

[Khellendros]

Lady Bliss, on 22 September 2016 - 02:16 AM, said:

Coltaine's first few posts are one liners, and a joke vote on Khell... Then he removes and makes a point of either Nom and I having a connection or Nom and Khell.

- Coltaine -, on 20 September 2016 - 05:33 PM, said:

Remove vote

A Nom-Bliss or Nom-Khell connection is an interesting idea. So I will vote maybe for one of them.

Tatts Guard post is still strange but I don't think that he is scum. He should know that strange posts/ideas at day one can get you killed very quickly. And for Ando ... well, I also didn't know about the random assingments.

I will check in later again.

He makes a point of saying he doesn't think Tatts is scum.

- Coltaine -, on 20 September 2016 - 10:53 PM, said:

Huh, I made it back in time.

Tatts at L1?

I will read up.

- Coltaine -, on 20 September 2016 - 11:09 PM, said:

Looks like Blend turned the tide and most of the others followed to get a lynch today ...

I have to agree with Sierg and Khell that it is unlikely that Tatts is a killer. But we don't have much time left and I don't think that we can get another lynch.

Who wants to hammer?

- Coltaine -, on 20 September 2016 - 11:16 PM, said:

Okay.

I will go to bed as well

Offers to hammer after the fact.

- Coltaine -, on 21 September 2016 - 07:24 PM, said:

Yeah, I remember that game very well. We ignored a good advise and paid for it.

Itwæs Nom, on 20 September 2016 - 09:19 PM, said:

After Blend's case something has come to my mind. And that is possible presence of healer, if there's one he's just as likely to target Tatts as scum would be, but I doubt scum will with the possibility.

Vote Tatts

Now I can go to bed

Okay, everyone agrees that this post is fishy. Khell is still on my list (I learned from the first game) but currently Nom is number one.

Vote Itwas Nom

Then hops right on to vote Nom based on one post.
@Coltaine, not saying that I didn't find Nom's Tatt's vote as scummy too, but what were your reasons for Nom during day 1?

Bliss here and in her earlier post continues to keep all options open: "Khell is scummy, but also tell me more about this Nom suspicion, as i could get on board with that too."

[Khellendros]

JPK, on 22 September 2016 - 04:14 AM, said:

Blend, on 22 September 2016 - 03:44 AM, said:

But still like a Khell vote.

Not a fan of a Nom vote. Yall piled on pretty quickly.

I agree with this. However I'm going to expand on it past one liners.

Nom really hasn't had much that should be setting him up as scum so far. His day one play amounted to bringing up the presence of a healer. Now, I know that it's not a good idea to discuss town roles, but outside of a day 1 lynch I don't think it's enough to hang someone on. Also, if he WERE a killer, what is his symp doing? He hasn't really had anyone stand up for him on either day 1 or 2. Finally, his day 2 is bugging the shit out of me. Claiming a bad day and not even attempting to fight his way out of the corner. I just don't see Nom doing that if he was scum. Hell, I don't see him doing that if he were roled at all.

On to Lady B. The entire case on her is based on her being symp, but no one can seem to create a connection for who she's working for. I don't like that arguement at all. First off, she's had a very one track mind this entire game so far: Khell. After several cases were made, she admitted that Nom could have potential but failed completely to WIFOM the thread. If she's symping, she's doing a shitty job of it. I've more of an idea that she has potential to be a killer here. She makes herself loud on thread and shows an intense desire to lynch Khell. By keeping her focus there, she's free to kill off town without forming any obvious revenge kill connections. I see some real potential here.

Finally, Khell. Oh Khell. I think my favorite post by you so far is this one:

Khellendros, on 20 September 2016 - 04:15 PM, said:

Dolmen 2.0, on 20 September 2016 - 03:30 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 20 September 2016 - 03:03 PM, said:

Why is saying Bliss will CF RI so controversial? If I already before that said that I believe that she is a symp, then surely that follows???

I am voting for her because I think she is scum. Again, I'm not sure what is controversial about that. In fact, I find it quite odd that people are voicing confusion about this.

Would it help if I said Bliss is a killer? Well, I don't think her play so far suggests killer, but I do think it could suggest symp. That is still scum, and that is my reason for voting. I think she was entirely too eager to jump onto Tatts, for doing something we could all have seen Tatts doing.

Tell me who's a killer, and why, and I can be convinced to change my vote (unless you think it's me, obvs).

I don't think it's controversial, I was just highlighting a trigger. Your wording warrants attention and the order of your appearance has you looking like Tatts symp.

Also on principle you do tend to come off as trying to lead town.

I'm wary of that sort of play.

My wording, lol.

I am pointing out a possible option to town. Town is free to make their own decision. Leading would require me to say, "Hey, everyone, follow me!" In fact, I've advised caution by emphasising the nature of my suspicion.

As for the other part, I can only be Tatts' symp if you believe that a killer-roled Tatts would say such a thing as he did. Do you believe that?

Khell trying to claim that he isn't attempting to lead town because he isn't being obvious and blunt enough about it. Because he has never lead a lynch by subtle suggestions before. Nope.
And then there are these last three posts he put up:

Khellendros, on 21 September 2016 - 10:54 PM, said:

Coltaine and Andorion as our first two voters is interesting considering they registered no final vote on day 1. Making up for that?

Khellendros, on 21 September 2016 - 11:07 PM, said:

Looking through Siergiej's posts, he suspected Bliss and Nom, and wanted to keep tabs on Macros and Kotillion. He felt both Bliss and Kots had reacted 'panicky' at certain points. I'd like to hear from Kots now too, what do you make of day 2 so far?

Before someone goes and say, "there's no use speculating why someone was killed" etc., there is always use in keeping tabs on what people have said, let's not stymie research (which is of course not the same as pointing out that a conclusion based on that research is dumb ). Patterns may develop further down the line.

Khellendros, on 21 September 2016 - 11:18 PM, said:

Bliss, Blend, Nom, JPK, Macros. I would bet Andorion's dragon sex book that there is at least one scum in there and I reckon two. The bad news is, five players is still too large a pool. Macros has been noticeably agreeable this game, which is rubbing me the wrong way a little. Already made my feelings on Bliss clear. I see a fair few (most, seemingly) voicing suspicions of Nom but don't recall a single dissenting voice. That's not a good sign. I will leave my vote on Nom for the night but may change that come the morning.

Vote Itwaes Nom

Over the course of about 45 minutes he names Colt and Ando for jumping quickly on the Nom train, then proceeds to suggest that Sierg may have been targeted due to interest in Lady B and Nom as well as suspicions of Macros and Kotilion. Finally, he decided to throw out Lady B, Blend, Nom, Myself, and Macros as possible scum targets.

If this isn't symping to throw a shitload of WIFOM at town I don't know what is. Beyond that, I think that Khell would try to WIFOM the town this strongly no matter if he was Killer or Symp.

With that I feel I need to:
Vote Khell

It is not and you don't know what symping is When I'm RI, I like to put all thoughts I have on thread, because there's no point in keeping them to myself. I'm not looking to protect myself in any way. In any case, you read A LOT into what I put on the thread. For example: "proceeds to suggest that Sierg may have been targetted due to interest in Lady B or Nom..." - I did not suggest that. I summarised Sierg's thoughts as there would be somewhat less suspicion of his 'agenda' now that we know his CF. I said at the time, it may ultimately not lead anywhere, but more info is always initially useful.

Finally, you yourself make the point that you don't see Bliss as a symp because she isn't being connected to anyone. So who exactly am I being connected to, now that you've identified my play as sympish?

[Khellendros]

Now Andorion, who really does seem eager for a lynch but without actually contributing anything substantive. These are all his posts after I voted Nom.

Andorion, on 22 September 2016 - 03:04 AM, said:

I can switch to a Khell lynch but Nom bugs me. Wouldn't it be better to get him out of the way first?

Andorion, on 22 September 2016 - 03:18 AM, said:

Lady Bliss, on 22 September 2016 - 03:11 AM, said:

Andorion, on 22 September 2016 - 03:04 AM, said:

I can switch to a Khell lynch but Nom bugs me. Wouldn't it be better to get him out of the way first?

How much time till timeout?

Around 9 hours I think. I should be around for most of them

Andorion, on 22 September 2016 - 06:12 AM, said:

Um PS I voted Nom....

Andorion, on 22 September 2016 - 06:15 AM, said:

Blend, on 22 September 2016 - 06:13 AM, said:

Andorion, on 22 September 2016 - 06:12 AM, said:

Um PS I voted Nom....

So... 3-2 for Nom getting voted out?

Yes, don't really see why you are panicking, its 3 votes for Nom, there is still time to switch.

[Khellendros]

So now I'm moving Blend more over into the town pile and Ando more over into the scum pile. JPK's big post where he votes for me is an interesting one - to a great extent it is actually just regurgitating what other people have already said. But to vote for me instead of Nom (who was 3-1 at the time) also makes me give him the benefit of the doubt.

[Dolmen 2.0]

I'm thinking this is going into Wifomism territory.

Nom was the train, Khell is the train. I'm Voting Nom because I dont like the look of another switch.

Not much time to make an argument but we said there was no symp action on Nom, what do you call blends posts then?

Vote Nom

Of bliss and khell Bliss always looked scummier to me because Tatts was playing an angle and she panicked when Khell redirected it to her. So not going with Khell train, would rather we had a Bliss train.

[Khellendros]

Dolmen 2.0, on 22 September 2016 - 07:52 AM, said:

I'm thinking this is going into Wifomism territory.

Nom was the train, Khell is the train. I'm Voting Nom because I dont like the look of another switch.

Not much time to make an argument but we said there was no symp action on Nom, what do you call blends posts then?

Vote Nom

Of bliss and khell Bliss always looked scummier to me because Tatts was playing an angle and she panicked when Khell redirected it to her. So not going with Khell train, would rather we had a Bliss train.

It is true that one could argue for Blend trying to protect Nom, and that I have my 'Nom is town' blinkers on too tightly. I think it's Nom's own reaction (what there is of it) thus far that makes me think that.

I would also rather a Bliss train in a perfect world.

[Khellendros]

I would also add that Blend is posting much like he always does when town and when he thinks someone is fucking with him but doesn't know who. Usually after the slew of waaah! posts, he goes out for a smoke, and then comes back and makes the wrong decision

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 3 hours and 45 minutes remaining

11 Players still alive: Andorian, Blend, Coltaine, Dolmen2.0, HiddenOne, ItwasNom, JPK, Khellendros, Kotillion, Lady Bliss, Macros

6 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.

3 votes for ItWasNom (Coltaine, Andorian, Dolmen 2.0)
3 votes for Khellendros (Lady Bliss, JPK, Blend)


Players not voted: HiddenOne, ItwasNom, Khellendros, Kotillion, Macros


I'm going to be asleep at timeout, someone in SH may resolve

Game will freeze at an arbitrary point on Friday for the weekend

Votes will be counted and lynches may be resolved

[Macros]

I'm going to vote Bliss

It's more gut than anything else. A few of her reactions and things.
Thin, yes, had signal and at work. Yes

[Khellendros]

And me.

Vote Lady Bliss

Might as well stick to my guns. A few have said her play strikes them more as killer than the symp I proposed. Let's find out.

[Itwæs Nom]

So I've skimmed up through D2

Of the lynch candidates I'm liking Khell better. It feels like he's trying to look like town just too much for my liking. He's nitpicking everywhere where he can to make as much sensible arguments as possible. I don't like Khell's reaction to Blend because having no apparent and concrete scummy flaws looks to be his strategy.

I like Bliss's argument on my case about me changing opinions, it's the best one against me imo. I liked Khell's D1 case on her but that's symp case anyway. She made some sensible points but isn't pushing her opinions too hard.

Vote Khell

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 2 hours and 15 minutes remaining

11 Players still alive: Andorian, Blend, Coltaine, Dolmen2.0, HiddenOne, ItwasNom, JPK, Khellendros, Kotillion, Lady Bliss, Macros

6 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.

4 votes for Khellendros (Lady Bliss, JPK, Blend, ItWasNom)
3 votes for ItWasNom (Coltaine, Andorian, Dolmen 2.0)
2 votes for Lady Bliss (Macros, Khellendros)


Players not voted: HiddenOne, Kotillion

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 22 September 2016 - 10:06 AM

[Itwæs Nom]

Also I my opinion is enhanced by Khell's last symp fiasco so I would expect him to try hard next time he's scum

[Andorion]

Time is winding down. I am open to switching to Khell to get a lynch

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 1 hours and 23 minutes remaining

11 Players still alive: Andorian, Blend, Coltaine, Dolmen2.0, HiddenOne, ItwasNom, JPK, Khellendros, Kotillion, Lady Bliss, Macros

6 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.

4 votes for Khellendros (Lady Bliss, JPK, Blend, ItWasNom)
3 votes for ItWasNom (Coltaine, Andorian, Dolmen 2.0)
2 votes for Lady Bliss (Macros, Khellendros)


Players not voted: HiddenOne, Kotillion

[Khellendros]

Itwæs Nom, on 22 September 2016 - 10:10 AM, said:

Also I my opinion is enhanced by Khell's last symp fiasco so I would expect him to try hard next time he's scum

Your opinion appears to be diminished if anything. I'm trying super hard as scum and yet have made a target of myself? Unlikely.

[Khellendros]

Andorion, on 22 September 2016 - 10:20 AM, said:

Time is winding down. I am open to switching to Khell to get a lynch

And what is your opinion of whatever case it is that is getting me votes?

[Khellendros]

Itwæs Nom, on 22 September 2016 - 10:01 AM, said:

[snip]
It feels like he's trying to look like town just too much for my liking. He's nitpicking everywhere where he can to make as much sensible arguments as possible.
[snip]

Just wanted to highlight the absurdity of this statement as a reason for voting - "he's making too much sense damn him!".