[Morgoth]

They can apply the tricks used for Sherlock to show much the same. I am very curious how they'll go about this thing, but I am also deeply skeptical that it will work.

[EmperorMagus]

Puck, on 27 August 2016 - 06:17 PM, said:

Whisperzzzzzzz, on 27 August 2016 - 05:29 PM, said:

There's no way this series makes it to TV in any form that's recognizable as Bakker's trilogy.

^This, I am afraid. But hey, who knows.. I'm all for giving it a chance!

Also, Bakker's stuff does have an Alien-aesthetic at times, I could totally see it working, visually. Depending on the budget.

Agreed.

The only way they can hope for its success is to cut out all the interesting philosophy/ character development parts. At that point, it's not the Bakker trilogy anymore.

[Cause]

If the pilot shows Conphas battling the sxylvendi I will give it my dollars and eyes

[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

EmperorMagus, on 31 August 2016 - 06:52 AM, said:

Puck, on 27 August 2016 - 06:17 PM, said:

Whisperzzzzzzz, on 27 August 2016 - 05:29 PM, said:

There's no way this series makes it to TV in any form that's recognizable as Bakker's trilogy.

^This, I am afraid. But hey, who knows.. I'm all for giving it a chance!

Also, Bakker's stuff does have an Alien-aesthetic at times, I could totally see it working, visually. Depending on the budget.

Agreed.

The only way they can hope for its success is to cut out all the interesting philosophy/ character development parts. At that point, it's not the Bakker trilogy anymore.

Really? What about True Detective? Bojak Horseman? Also, Kellhus straddles the line between religion and philosophy... plenty of people in the USoA like profound-sounding streams of speech that they don't reasonably understand in full.

[Abyss]

Azath Vitr (D, on 31 August 2016 - 02:56 PM, said:

EmperorMagus, on 31 August 2016 - 06:52 AM, said:

Puck, on 27 August 2016 - 06:17 PM, said:

Whisperzzzzzzz, on 27 August 2016 - 05:29 PM, said:

There's no way this series makes it to TV in any form that's recognizable as Bakker's trilogy.

^This, I am afraid. But hey, who knows.. I'm all for giving it a chance!

Also, Bakker's stuff does have an Alien-aesthetic at times, I could totally see it working, visually. Depending on the budget.

Agreed.

The only way they can hope for its success is to cut out all the interesting philosophy/ character development parts. At that point, it's not the Bakker trilogy anymore.

Really? What about True Detective? Bojak Horseman? Also, Kellhus straddles the line between religion and philosophy... plenty of people in the USoA like profound-sounding streams of speech that they don't reasonably understand in full.

AV... Keep the political crap to the political thread.

[Garak]

Showing Kelhus do his thing would be challange ..... People could quickly hate the character, I find myself find annoying in the extreme and wish someone would wipe out those damn monks. The black sperm alien rape would also need to be skipped (I'm about to start the second trilogy and i heard there's a scene where the Sranc defeat an army and then rape everyone to death). Seeing Caniur would be fun however.

[Maark Abbott]

Garak, on 01 September 2016 - 07:25 AM, said:

The black sperm alien rape would also need to be skipped

Out. Get out. Just... get out. Now.

[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

Maark Abbott, on 01 September 2016 - 01:59 PM, said:

Garak, on 01 September 2016 - 07:25 AM, said:

The black sperm alien rape would also need to be skipped

Out. Get out. Just... get out. Now.

HBO's GoT added a couple of rape scenes.

True Detective makes sexual abuse, including sexual abuse of children, central to its plot.

The most controversial thing about it might be that, especially when it's the aliens themselves,

Spoiler

the raped can't help but desire it, and like it more than any other sex they've had. They orgasm while being raped to death.

That, and it would upset the homophobes.

[Abyss]

Y'know, Mark Hamill could totally nail the role of Achamian.

[Garak]

I enjoy seeing homophones freak out about nothing, it's amusing. Problem with all the rape in this story is that it feels a bit ..... over the top? Like Slaanesh from 40k is going "Dudes, chill out. At least try going over the top with something else. This is kinda dull already."

Mark Hamill as Achamian sounds ok (I'm not sure if the role would be right but I just want more Mark Hamill really). Who's be Caniur? We'd need a solid dude who can also chew scenery really well ..... can't recall of Jason Momoa can chew scenery or not but he'd be good.

[amphibian]

For Cnaiur, a young Vincent D'onofrio would be pretty much exactly what Bakker wrote. Need someone good with murderous rage and weirdly loving phases. Momoa isn't that.

Ed Skrein might be able to do it, but he'd have to turn down the charm.

[Garak]

Huh, interesting choice.

[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

amphibian, on 01 September 2016 - 07:16 PM, said:

For Cnaiur, a young Vincent D'onofrio would be pretty much exactly what Bakker wrote. Need someone good with murderous rage and weirdly loving phases. Momoa isn't that.

Ed Skrein might be able to do it, but he'd have to turn down the charm.

Cnaiur is definitely middle-aged in TPoN, 40-something iirc (yes, the concept of someone that old being so physically dominant over younger men (without PEDs---tekhne---or magic) seems a little far-fetched, but consider MMA fighters like Randy Couture and Dan Henderson... and anyway it's fantasy). D'Onofrio is a bit older than I thought (57) but he looks young enough in Daredevil.

Momao hasn't to my knowledge shown D'Onofrio-esque scenery-chewing chops (at least on video) yet, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have it in him. He's 37, give him some graying hair and he'd be fine for a younger-looking Cnaiur. Being battle-hardened and having ample experience is an important part of Cnaiur's character and his role in the narrative, though they could always change that.

Dwayne Johnson is the right age and build, though he's already locked into a (successful?) HBO series.

This post has been edited by Azath Vitr (D'ivers: 01 September 2016 - 08:09 PM

[Abyss]

With a little more gravitas, Momoa could actually work for Kelhus. Physically imposing, does a solid blank stare but can look intelligent, great physical action guy, entirely too good looking.

Cnaiur... Dwayne Johnson is a little too sculpted for that. Not savage enough. ...yes yes I've seen The Scorpion King it was awful so was Hercules just stop.... Hafthor Bjornsson... The Mountain from Got... he could get the physicality of it but I'm sceptical about him nailing the underlying emotional turmoil. None of the Hemsworths are big enough... maybe Joe Manganiello (werewolf dude from True Blood, stripper in some other flic)... huge guy, can do savage, has decent acting range.

[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

Actually Bakker revealed something about Cnaiur in an interview that's also hinted at in

Spoiler

The Great Ordeal

---Cnaiur is

Spoiler

so damned he is turning into a ciphrang while still alive. Perhaps this could explain his uncanny stamina, strength, and speed despite being middle-aged. It is why Mimara seems him as having horns when she looks with the judging eye; surprisingly, she attributes his damnation to the influence of Moenghus, rather than to his twenty years with the Consult, and iirc the judging eye gives her true insights about the person in addition to the sheer visual indicator of their damnation and its degrees. So even though Cnaiur appears as visibly old---past middle-age---in TGO, he could theoretically still possess his physical attributes, maybe even greater than before. Though if he actually transformed into a ciphrang, he'd become vulnerable to his own chorae.

[amphibian]

The Rock is too nice and too big a star to be Cnaiur. You're right about Cnaiur being in his mid forties during the initial trilogy.

[Cause]

Azath Vitr (D, on 01 September 2016 - 09:36 PM, said:

Actually Bakker revealed something about Cnaiur in an interview that's also hinted at in

Spoiler

The Great Ordeal

---Cnaiur is

Spoiler

so damned he is turning into a ciphrang while still alive. Perhaps this could explain his uncanny stamina, strength, and speed despite being middle-aged. It is why Mimara seems him as having horns when she looks with the judging eye; surprisingly, she attributes his damnation to the influence of Moenghus, rather than to his twenty years with the Consult, and iirc the judging eye gives her true insights about the person in addition to the sheer visual indicator of their damnation and its degrees. So even though Cnaiur appears as visibly old---past middle-age---in TGO, he could theoretically still possess his physical attributes, maybe even greater than before. Though if he actually transformed into a ciphrang, he'd become vulnerable to his own chorae.

Spoiler

I thought this was because of the scylvendi scars. Its believed they gain the momentum of the lives they take, the scars are described as smoking. I think a theme of the books is that enough people believe a thing it becomes true.

This post has been edited by Cause: 02 September 2016 - 06:33 PM

[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

Cause, on 02 September 2016 - 06:25 PM, said:

Azath Vitr (D, on 01 September 2016 - 09:36 PM, said:

Actually Bakker revealed something about Cnaiur in an interview that's also hinted at in

Spoiler

The Great Ordeal

---Cnaiur is

Spoiler

so damned he is turning into a ciphrang while still alive. Perhaps this could explain his uncanny stamina, strength, and speed despite being middle-aged. It is why Mimara seems him as having horns when she looks with the judging eye; surprisingly, she attributes his damnation to the influence of Moenghus, rather than to his twenty years with the Consult, and iirc the judging eye gives her true insights about the person in addition to the sheer visual indicator of their damnation and its degrees. So even though Cnaiur appears as visibly old---past middle-age---in TGO, he could theoretically still possess his physical attributes, maybe even greater than before. Though if he actually transformed into a ciphrang, he'd become vulnerable to his own chorae.

Spoiler

I thought this was because of the scylvendi scars. Its believed they gain the momentum of the lives they take, the scars are described as smoking. I think a theme of the books is that enough people believe a thing it becomes true.

Good point, that's definitely possible, though

Spoiler

it doesn't have to be a matter of belief:The Scylvendi sided with the Consult and the No-God during the First Apocalypse; the No-God prevents souls from passing on to the Outside. Bakker has confirmed that the "dead god" worshiped by the Scylvendi---Lokung---is the No-God. So the Scylvendi could be right about the swazonds doing something like trapping souls. Which would also imply he's captured the soul of Moenghus, since (though he was already dying) he finished him off. The harvesting of souls could explain his transformation into a ciphrang (the ciphrang and the gods "harvest" souls). Or perhaps it's just the "momentum" of the soul that gets captured (preventing the soul from moving on to the Outside? and implying that Cnaiur now has whatever "momentum" the Thousandfold Thought granted Moenghus, if that wasn't already negated by Kellhus).

There's substantial evidence iirc against the "if enough people believe a thing it becomes true" theory in TSA.

The scars (swazonds) could be photogenic, though I do wonder exactly what they'd look like.

This post has been edited by Azath Vitr (D'ivers: 02 September 2016 - 07:54 PM

[Cause]

Which book is TSA I cant recall

[amphibian]

Cause, on 02 September 2016 - 09:31 PM, said:

Which book is TSA I cant recall

I think TSA = The Second Apocalypse, which is the forum or the whole entire series. Not sure which part of it Azath is referring to.