[Ultama]

I still don't like Karo,especially after trying to put together a behavior profile on the killer, which seems misleading. I still see Grasp as scummy town at best and think people have him stuck in their craw. You I need to look into a bit more BH, and gait has been hard for me to get a read on. I can get back on you two later after another reread.

[Bendal Home]

After reading back over the last page or so. I do not see Karosis as scum. Gaits weird case on skintick after he was killed smacks me as a symp who had already decided who he was going to try to start a train on the next day. Not a towny thing to do. Town looks at who died. Gait just made his case and didn't bother because he knew that it wasn't him and that his killer wasn't lynched the previous day. In otherwords he didn't care. That kind of relaxation is more typical of a symp then a killer.

If I assume that Gait is a symp then who is he symping. Well his behavior indicates that he isn't having to defend anyone. Which means that it isn't Gasp as Gasp has been under pressure since he sided with Tatts. I like Karosis as town based on his voting pattern and posting logic. Which leads me to believe that he is Ultama's symp.

Ultama hasn't been under any pressure all game. Has managed to stay out of all of the pissing contests. In fact both him and Gait stayed completely away from the Tatts mess. Which is where scum would want to be.

I am really liking Ultama for scum. I will only vote for Ultama or Gait and would rather vote for Ultama as I think that Gait is the symp.

I really want to hear from Gasp and Karosis.

[Karosis]

Just had time for a quick re-read (gotta love using Block Content on dead alts. So much easier reading the living) and I'm finding Grasp much more suspicious than I am Ultama.

[Bendal Home]

Karosis, on 17 August 2016 - 07:43 PM, said:

Just had time for a quick re-read (gotta love using Block Content on dead alts. So much easier reading the living) and I'm finding Grasp much more suspicious than I am Ultama.

Don't focus on his behavior for the first couple of days. I agree day 1 and 2 he was suspicious as shit. But that is because of the Tatts mess. Ultama is more the lack of interaction and the deliberate staying away of anything even remotely combative. Classic low posting scum. Yesterday Gait was acting mildly retarded and very suspiciously. Every time I read up I become more convinced that I am right.

[Gait]

I'll try to post more detailed thoughts later, but for now I'll say I quite like Bendal's argument about Ultama (lack of friction/interaction), except obviously the part which links them to me, which I'm afraid to say is wrong. But so long as you don't think I'm the killer, I guess that's still fine! The Skintick thing was just...embarrassing.

I also agree that I don't see Grasp as the killer, unless we're saying that they totally fucked up in the first couple of days getting themselves wrapped up in the crap. I'd imagine a killer to be more careful than that.

Before I do anything I'll probably regret later, I'd like to take a closer look at both Ultama and Bendal as well. The latter I pretty much forgot was even playing till now (as much a reflection on me as on them, granted).

[Bendal Home]

Gait, on 17 August 2016 - 09:24 PM, said:

I'll try to post more detailed thoughts later, but for now I'll say I quite like Bendal's argument about Ultama (lack of friction/interaction), except obviously the part which links them to me, which I'm afraid to say is wrong. But so long as you don't think I'm the killer, I guess that's still fine! The Skintick thing was just...embarrassing.

I also agree that I don't see Grasp as the killer, unless we're saying that they totally fucked up in the first couple of days getting themselves wrapped up in the crap. I'd imagine a killer to be more careful than that.

Before I do anything I'll probably regret later, I'd like to take a closer look at both Ultama and Bendal as well. The latter I pretty much forgot was even playing till now (as much a reflection on me as on them, granted).

Ohhh nice transition from yeah Ultima could be scummy to bendal is. The subtly is nice. Unfortunately I am completely on to you. But just so that the others can see go ahead and defend Ultima by attacking me.

[Ultama]

Got something buzzing in your bonnet BH? I mean I know you are close to victory, but don't fuck it up now.

I am at the gym and am going to do my review when I get home. See you all then.

[Gait]

Bendal Home, on 17 August 2016 - 10:09 PM, said:

Gait, on 17 August 2016 - 09:24 PM, said:

I'll try to post more detailed thoughts later, but for now I'll say I quite like Bendal's argument about Ultama (lack of friction/interaction), except obviously the part which links them to me, which I'm afraid to say is wrong. But so long as you don't think I'm the killer, I guess that's still fine! The Skintick thing was just...embarrassing.

I also agree that I don't see Grasp as the killer, unless we're saying that they totally fucked up in the first couple of days getting themselves wrapped up in the crap. I'd imagine a killer to be more careful than that.

Before I do anything I'll probably regret later, I'd like to take a closer look at both Ultama and Bendal as well. The latter I pretty much forgot was even playing till now (as much a reflection on me as on them, granted).

Ohhh nice transition from yeah Ultima could be scummy to bendal is. The subtly is nice. Unfortunately I am completely on to you. But just so that the others can see go ahead and defend Ultima by attacking me.

lol, slow down cowboy. While your paranoia is to be commended, you're going to be sorely disappointed when you see SH if that's truly your line of thinking Speaking of transitions, there's a difference between taking a closer look - at both you and Ultama, as I've already in the past read over Grasp and Karosis - and "attacking" you. Defensive much?

[Gait]

Ultama, on 17 August 2016 - 11:35 PM, said:

Got something buzzing in your bonnet BH? I mean I know you are close to victory, but don't fuck it up now.

I am at the gym and am going to do my review when I get home. See you all then.

This on the other hand also gives pause for thought. I don't remember you saying anything about BH before, but here you are apparently convinced they're scum.

[Ultama]

Gait, on 18 August 2016 - 01:17 AM, said:

Ultama, on 17 August 2016 - 11:35 PM, said:

Got something buzzing in your bonnet BH? I mean I know you are close to victory, but don't fuck it up now.

I am at the gym and am going to do my review when I get home. See you all then.

This on the other hand also gives pause for thought. I don't remember you saying anything about BH before, but here you are apparently convinced they're scum.

Not convinced no. I am now going to do my reread. BH is just freaking and needed a prod.

[Ultama]

Ok Back in Black, here we go. I don't know if you all remember the paraphrase, too townie to be town. I get the feeling BH exhibits some of this behavior, and more telling, actually critiques the same in others, another subconscious trait (you talk about what you are or what you do). The first Day BH comes in swinging. He fervently establishes Monok just HAS to go, and in the meantime gives the stink eye set up to looking at Lock and Gasp (wonder why both were around for so long?)

Bendal Home, on 11 August 2016 - 02:48 AM, said:

Well that read up is a complete monkey fuck. (See what I did there) :)I am in the unfortunate position of finding myself in agreement with Eloth. One the one hand I admire a good gamble by town to try to trap scum. But monoks play is just so much wifom that him and gasp have now put them selves squarely in the to much trouble to keep around camp. I have several problem with this type of play. A. What kind of nut bag starts off the game trying to both vpi and trap scum. B. What kinds of other players actually defend that kind of behavior and consider it acceptable. Looking at you lock and gasp. C. There seems to be no thought to the down side potential. Which runs counter to how I play. Wcs every time all the time. Monok has to go. To much wifom around him and to much more potential in the days to come. vote monok

Just as good is a townie that quotes the game rules and goes on a rant about the evils of breaking them. I believe the PS used the word "peanut gallery" shortly after the below. The thing that gets me is how of the few initial posts of BH, they are both completely over the top and almost establishing a persona for himself in the game: self-righteous townie.

Bendal Home, on 11 August 2016 - 03:28 PM, said:

Grasp, on 11 August 2016 - 02:41 PM, said:

Liosan, on 11 August 2016 - 02:36 PM, said:

Grasp, on 11 August 2016 - 02:35 PM, said:

Dear lord you people are dense. Voting out a PI cause you don't like the way he plays is a ridiculous move. You should have left him for scum to waste a kill on.

So day 1 and you've already PId him?

Yeah, he pulled a move I've seen a million times, and it's brilliant even if it does skirt the 'no reveals' rule in a frustrating way. Frankly, the only way to prevent such a thing is for the mod to post the RI PM right off the bat, then there's no using the wording to PI yourself, which is what Monok did with the "I have the power" comment and Lock VPI'd himself by noting where it likely comes from.I mean, believe what you will, that's fine. But I think that there were much more interesting people to look at - i.e. Silanah, Denesmet and Eloth - who've all professed to not understanding what we're on about. I certainly won't be moving my vote over to someone I am pretty sure is RI.

It is a bullshit move intended to attempt to VPI himself. It is potentially game breaking and you and lock should be ashamed of yourselves as mafia players for encouraging it. It has not happened a million times there have only been 150 total mafia games played on this forum. So unless you have played 999,850 on different forums (if so then you have fallen on hard mafia times my friend) then you are full of shit. I have played in most of the mafia games on this forum and day one antics like this has only happened in a handful of games. Each time to the detriment of town. Every single time someone in town has attempted to use wording of a role pm to vpi themselves and or others it diminishes the game and the hard work that other put into the game to actually find real connections and interactions. Not to mention that the attempted use of the wording of a pm violates rule B12 (see below)B12) Reveal any information about their role within the game when such reveals are forbidden (this is only forbidden in certain games). When this rule is applied to

Path-Shaper, on 10 August 2016 - 06:00 AM, said:

Game Specific RulesDays are 36 hours. Nights are as instantaneous as possible.NO REVEALS OF ROLES ARE ALLOWED.

As a mod I would have modkilled Monoc and if that broke then game then stopped the game and ran a different scenario. Encouraging behavior that potentially breaks the game for all other players in the game is not just a violation of the written rules but also a selfish move that shows no appreciation for the game nor for your fellow players who do not want to play that way. Now if we can get done with this and move on then this game can still be played and enjoyed. End rant.

And the pattern continues, with sympathetic pats to Eloth over the game no longer being M&P, but still taking the opportunity to catastrophize with a "fubar" comment at the end. But he seems to be calming down too...

Bendal Home, on 11 August 2016 - 09:32 PM, said:

There are several players who only sign up to play M/P games. So advertising as a M/P then saying it is a tmdi 5-6 is kind of false advertising. I don't blame Eloth for asking to be replaced or modkilled. Personally if I had known that this was a TMDI 5/6 I might have been less harsh on tatts. I can't help but feel that this game has gotten out of control and is no boarding on complete fubar.

And slowly we hear less and less from him.

Bendal Home, on 12 August 2016 - 02:18 PM, said:

I am out today and the weekend. I won't be on hardly at all. I will catch up on Monday.

And then he backs off, no longer willing to lynch, now the cautious townie...

Bendal Home, on 15 August 2016 - 08:19 PM, said:

I am disinclined to lynch. I don't like either one of the cases/reasoning. Gasp got pulled into the cluster with Tatts. Ok so people think he might be a symp. Ok well then who is he symping? Monok who turned out to be RI. I guess Fake symping. That doesn't seem like it is going to get anything. People feel that Silanah's reaction to seeing a guard be killed was over the top. I don't really see it. Certainly not enough to convince me to vote for someone. I am not sure who I like as scum. There are several that I don't have any read on which makes me suspicious due to the abstinence of information.

...but still with a streak of self righteousness

Bendal Home, on 16 August 2016 - 02:01 PM, said:

This game has become a complete random shit show. Modkills, players self destructing, Two town roles gone, a SK killed. Yep a complete and total shit sow. With that in mind I think that it is time to get off of the Monok train and start to take looks at people who have been trying to drive the game forward.

But here is where things get interesting. Starting out with "Contrived feelings of sadness." Pot and kettle with all the rage that he has been spewing forth. And moreover, accusations of me leading the thread, after day one adamantly going after Monok and then suggesting Lock and Grasp are to be looked at. It is also interesting how thoughtful he has become. The earlier posts were long and full of vitrol, but really, how many cases did he build? One on Monok? How often did he vote? He didn't vote day 2. He didn't vote day 3. Awfully inactive for someone so "interested."

Bendal Home, on 17 August 2016 - 04:05 PM, said:

Grasp, on 17 August 2016 - 02:32 PM, said:

Nooooo!!! Lock was my VPI! Ah well... That means killer is among the rest of you lot...I've no read on most of you. I believe that Gait and that Karosis are most likely RI - but where has Bendal Home even been? Ultama I have no real read on either.

Contrived feelings of sadness. Tatt's actions at the beginning of the game coupled with the mod kills have thrown me out of my game zone. So I have found some better things to due until I feel the call to come back and give a shit. From a quick read up I feel that Ultama is attempting to lead the thread and would be my choice for scum. However I can not put together a sold reason for that conclusion. Just a feeling reading over his posts that he is setting up and driving suspects. I have a minor feeling on the layout of the game. I was not expecting a SK to be in this game and the addition of one indicates that it is not a tmdi 1-2 game. But if I had created this game and tossed in both a guard and a healer and included a SK and a killer. One thing that I noticed is that other then the night that Skin and Serc were killed there was no other 2 kill night. Which leads me to believe that either the healer got lucky the first night. Or the second killer had a delayed component to it. I am discounting the second one because adding something like that will automatically drive up tmdi and make it harder for town to win even with multiple town roles. So if we look at it from the perspective that the game started out with town roles of a healer and a guard and then a SK and a separate killer and perhaps symp. That would be somewhat a balanced game. Then we are left with the conclusion that this game has boiled down to town having no roles and there being WCS a killer and symp. Now if you consider tatts "brilliant move" a way for a symp to out all of the roled town players (which it looks like he did) then you could conclude that he was the symp. Of course that would not be playing in the WCS so I will leave that be. Most likely there is a killer and I am going to assume a symp. Town has no roles and there is very little remaining information to go off of. Other then the silanah lynch.

Path-Shaper, on 15 August 2016 - 09:36 PM, said:

It's a lynch!10 Players still alive: Bendal Home, Fener, gait, Grasp, Karosis, Lock, Serc, silanah, Skintick, Ultama6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.6 Votes for silanah ( Ultama, Serc, gait, Grasp, Lock, Karosis )2 Votes for Grasp ( Skintick, silanah )Players not voted: Bendal Home, FenerThe town gathered around the old tree to witness the hanging of the old dragon Silanah. A worried quiet overtook them as they realized they had again strung up one of their own. Silanah was Andorion and R.I.

Hmmm I feel that Gait is more likely to be town. Karosis could be a well playing scum or town. Gasp could be a symp or town and Ultama I have a very uneasy feeling about. That is where I stand.

Always love it when people start talking about WCS and speculating on time left.

Bendal Home, on 17 August 2016 - 04:06 PM, said:

On the WCS chance that there is still a symp left alive I would ask that people refrain from voting until everyone has posted at least some thoughts.

And then, not quoted here, we have him starting to freak a little. Is this burst of activity and pushiness (despite his supposed disenchantment with the game) a sign of what is really going on in his head?

You tell me.

[Ultama]

Now, the other one I promised looking into: Gait.

He is significantly harder to read given the paucity of posts and paucity of material. He spends most of his game harping on Sil and then voting Sil and then saying he needed to reassess after Sil. Sil Sil Sil

Gait, on 16 August 2016 - 01:27 AM, said:

Karosis, on 15 August 2016 - 09:24 PM, said:

Modkill avoidance post.More time in about 14 hours. Someone asked why Gait not Sil - because they have nothing on thread. Stuff on Sil to actually look at and see reacting to. Gait CF would have been another step to a better read on them. Gait won't provide the same as they've been a non-entity so far.Remove VoteVote Silanah

...says the person writing a modkill avoidance post. I think I've actually been pretty clear about where I stand despite my few posts. Although, seeing Sil's CF now requires some reassessment unfotunately.

And more Sil below.

Gait, on 16 August 2016 - 10:00 AM, said:

Karosis, on 16 August 2016 - 07:40 AM, said:

Gait, on 16 August 2016 - 01:27 AM, said:

Karosis, on 15 August 2016 - 09:24 PM, said:

Modkill avoidance post.More time in about 14 hours. Someone asked why Gait not Sil - because they have nothing on thread. Stuff on Sil to actually look at and see reacting to. Gait CF would have been another step to a better read on them. Gait won't provide the same as they've been a non-entity so far.Remove VoteVote Silanah

...says the person writing a modkill avoidance post. I think I've actually been pretty clear about where I stand despite my few posts. Although, seeing Sil's CF now requires some reassessment unfotunately.

Modkill by time between posts, yes. Beer festival, cousins wedding, busy Monday. Late night now too. It was closer than I'd have liked to timer. What's your excuse?Yes you have been pretty clear on your position. Calling out a modkill on a very likely RI. The 3rd vote on Silanah making them the most likely choice for lynch. 20% of your posts have cost RI lives.

Eloth got themselves killed, don't even try and put that on me. As for Silanah - clearly I wasn't the only one who suspected them. So you appear to be accusing me of poor play, yet your contribution appears to amount to whining at PS and telling us how you're not going to be around.

Now this was the one thing that puzzled me and I was the one to call it out. He votes Skintick. Skintick who was SK and dead. Seems like a significant event to me, more significant than the healer death since having two active killers is almost as scary as having so many modkills.

Gait, on 17 August 2016 - 01:52 AM, said:

Slow day. I may or may not miss the rest of the day. In light of no one proposing anything better, I will simply go with what I noticed. Vote Skintick

And he chuckles with his mistake, even going so far as to admit confusion with Serc and Skintick, thinking Serc was the SK? I dunno, this seems to be an honest mistake, and his tight posting style hasn't necessarily been useless, but I pause to consider how intention this mistake was. Nothing screams townie like someone making stupid mistakes that make them look like they had a good scumdar after all?

Gait, on 17 August 2016 - 05:24 AM, said:

Still, at least I suspected the right person...after the fact lol. On those grounds, I'm ok with a no lynch today. I'm obviously not thinking straight enough to put another vote down in tne time remaining, unless someone else comes up with something spectacular.And here I had been thinking Lock was being deliberately dense.

Yeah, with Gait, the case is less convincing, but still I am suspicious.

[Bendal Home]

Nicely done Ultima. The first time anyone picked up on you all game and bam you go all attack dog. Oh and look there is you little lap dog gait throwing just enough shade to make it seem that he is town. Ultima you want to know how I figured out that you are scum. Look no further then gait. Once i alted him it was easy to see that he was a symp who was just laying back. Because his killer was under no pressure. But once I put pressure on you then he jumped out of the wood work and so did you. Gasp is obviously town after the tatts fiasco. Just as Eloth and lock were. Karosis I wasn't sure about until I looked at the trains. It was also the trains that gave gait away.
Strange that if I am scum nobody is stepping up to deflect off of me. The more you post Ultima the more I feel your panic and the more that I am certain of my discoveries.

[Ultama]

oooookkk? You asked what I thought, I answered. I performed cases on the two people of which I was less sure, as I said I would. Not sure how that is panicking, though I guess projecting what you are feeling makes sense in this context.

Not that strange that you have no symp any more. Probably dead or just trying to not make you look more the fool.

[Ultama]

I am headed to bed now. I think I will be up before time out. Night y'all.

[Gait]

Bendal Home, on 18 August 2016 - 02:52 AM, said:

Nicely done Ultima. The first time anyone picked up on you all game and bam you go all attack dog. Oh and look there is you little lap dog gait throwing just enough shade to make it seem that he is town. Ultima you want to know how I figured out that you are scum. Look no further then gait. Once i alted him it was easy to see that he was a symp who was just laying back. Because his killer was under no pressure. But once I put pressure on you then he jumped out of the wood work and so did you. Gasp is obviously town after the tatts fiasco. Just as Eloth and lock were. Karosis I wasn't sure about until I looked at the trains. It was also the trains that gave gait away.
Strange that if I am scum nobody is stepping up to deflect off of me. The more you post Ultima the more I feel your panic and the more that I am certain of my discoveries.

Well you seem convinced. But where's your vote on Ultama? Not sure what it is you're waiting for when you've gone to the trouble of, to borrow another phrase from you, "come out of the woodwork" in order to hit us with this sudden cast-iron conviction (I note 17 posts, fewer than me, a good portion of them just now, and yet you accuse me of lying low. That's a bit rich).

Unless of course you're not actually convinced and so are waiting for others to jump on before you slam on your own vote.

I'm still going to do a look-through of both you and Ultama....no wait, sorry, I'm going to do a look-through of Ultama and I'm going to attack you, that correct? And not actually doing it to give a shit that town doesn't just passively give this game to scum? You've gone to some effort to pre-emptively dismiss any critical looks at your play. But I'll tell you what, I'll do you the courtesy you haven't done me and actually look through your posts before reaching conclusions, and with an objective eye. Because yes, I continue to take seriously the possibility of Ultama being scum, despite the inanity of linking me with them.

[Gait]

Ultama, on 18 August 2016 - 02:08 AM, said:

Ok Back in Black, here we go. I don't know if you all remember the paraphrase, too townie to be town. I get the feeling BH exhibits some of this behavior, and more telling, actually critiques the same in others, another subconscious trait (you talk about what you are or what you do). The first Day BH comes in swinging. He fervently establishes Monok just HAS to go, and in the meantime gives the stink eye set up to looking at Lock and Gasp (wonder why both were around for so long?)

Bendal Home, on 11 August 2016 - 02:48 AM, said:

Well that read up is a complete monkey fuck. (See what I did there) :)I am in the unfortunate position of finding myself in agreement with Eloth. One the one hand I admire a good gamble by town to try to trap scum. But monoks play is just so much wifom that him and gasp have now put them selves squarely in the to much trouble to keep around camp. I have several problem with this type of play. A. What kind of nut bag starts off the game trying to both vpi and trap scum. B. What kinds of other players actually defend that kind of behavior and consider it acceptable. Looking at you lock and gasp. C. There seems to be no thought to the down side potential. Which runs counter to how I play. Wcs every time all the time. Monok has to go. To much wifom around him and to much more potential in the days to come. vote monok

Just as good is a townie that quotes the game rules and goes on a rant about the evils of breaking them. I believe the PS used the word "peanut gallery" shortly after the below. The thing that gets me is how of the few initial posts of BH, they are both completely over the top and almost establishing a persona for himself in the game: self-righteous townie.

Bendal Home, on 11 August 2016 - 03:28 PM, said:

Grasp, on 11 August 2016 - 02:41 PM, said:

Liosan, on 11 August 2016 - 02:36 PM, said:

Grasp, on 11 August 2016 - 02:35 PM, said:

Dear lord you people are dense. Voting out a PI cause you don't like the way he plays is a ridiculous move. You should have left him for scum to waste a kill on.

So day 1 and you've already PId him?

Yeah, he pulled a move I've seen a million times, and it's brilliant even if it does skirt the 'no reveals' rule in a frustrating way. Frankly, the only way to prevent such a thing is for the mod to post the RI PM right off the bat, then there's no using the wording to PI yourself, which is what Monok did with the "I have the power" comment and Lock VPI'd himself by noting where it likely comes from.I mean, believe what you will, that's fine. But I think that there were much more interesting people to look at - i.e. Silanah, Denesmet and Eloth - who've all professed to not understanding what we're on about. I certainly won't be moving my vote over to someone I am pretty sure is RI.

It is a bullshit move intended to attempt to VPI himself. It is potentially game breaking and you and lock should be ashamed of yourselves as mafia players for encouraging it. It has not happened a million times there have only been 150 total mafia games played on this forum. So unless you have played 999,850 on different forums (if so then you have fallen on hard mafia times my friend) then you are full of shit. I have played in most of the mafia games on this forum and day one antics like this has only happened in a handful of games. Each time to the detriment of town. Every single time someone in town has attempted to use wording of a role pm to vpi themselves and or others it diminishes the game and the hard work that other put into the game to actually find real connections and interactions. Not to mention that the attempted use of the wording of a pm violates rule B12 (see below)B12) Reveal any information about their role within the game when such reveals are forbidden (this is only forbidden in certain games). When this rule is applied to

Path-Shaper, on 10 August 2016 - 06:00 AM, said:

Game Specific RulesDays are 36 hours. Nights are as instantaneous as possible.NO REVEALS OF ROLES ARE ALLOWED.

As a mod I would have modkilled Monoc and if that broke then game then stopped the game and ran a different scenario. Encouraging behavior that potentially breaks the game for all other players in the game is not just a violation of the written rules but also a selfish move that shows no appreciation for the game nor for your fellow players who do not want to play that way. Now if we can get done with this and move on then this game can still be played and enjoyed. End rant.

And the pattern continues, with sympathetic pats to Eloth over the game no longer being M&P, but still taking the opportunity to catastrophize with a "fubar" comment at the end. But he seems to be calming down too...

Bendal Home, on 11 August 2016 - 09:32 PM, said:

There are several players who only sign up to play M/P games. So advertising as a M/P then saying it is a tmdi 5-6 is kind of false advertising. I don't blame Eloth for asking to be replaced or modkilled. Personally if I had known that this was a TMDI 5/6 I might have been less harsh on tatts. I can't help but feel that this game has gotten out of control and is no boarding on complete fubar.

And slowly we hear less and less from him.

Bendal Home, on 12 August 2016 - 02:18 PM, said:

I am out today and the weekend. I won't be on hardly at all. I will catch up on Monday.

And then he backs off, no longer willing to lynch, now the cautious townie...

Bendal Home, on 15 August 2016 - 08:19 PM, said:

I am disinclined to lynch. I don't like either one of the cases/reasoning. Gasp got pulled into the cluster with Tatts. Ok so people think he might be a symp. Ok well then who is he symping? Monok who turned out to be RI. I guess Fake symping. That doesn't seem like it is going to get anything. People feel that Silanah's reaction to seeing a guard be killed was over the top. I don't really see it. Certainly not enough to convince me to vote for someone. I am not sure who I like as scum. There are several that I don't have any read on which makes me suspicious due to the abstinence of information.

...but still with a streak of self righteousness

Bendal Home, on 16 August 2016 - 02:01 PM, said:

This game has become a complete random shit show. Modkills, players self destructing, Two town roles gone, a SK killed. Yep a complete and total shit sow. With that in mind I think that it is time to get off of the Monok train and start to take looks at people who have been trying to drive the game forward.

But here is where things get interesting. Starting out with "Contrived feelings of sadness." Pot and kettle with all the rage that he has been spewing forth. And moreover, accusations of me leading the thread, after day one adamantly going after Monok and then suggesting Lock and Grasp are to be looked at. It is also interesting how thoughtful he has become. The earlier posts were long and full of vitrol, but really, how many cases did he build? One on Monok? How often did he vote? He didn't vote day 2. He didn't vote day 3. Awfully inactive for someone so "interested."

Bendal Home, on 17 August 2016 - 04:05 PM, said:

Grasp, on 17 August 2016 - 02:32 PM, said:

Nooooo!!! Lock was my VPI! Ah well... That means killer is among the rest of you lot...I've no read on most of you. I believe that Gait and that Karosis are most likely RI - but where has Bendal Home even been? Ultama I have no real read on either.

Contrived feelings of sadness. Tatt's actions at the beginning of the game coupled with the mod kills have thrown me out of my game zone. So I have found some better things to due until I feel the call to come back and give a shit. From a quick read up I feel that Ultama is attempting to lead the thread and would be my choice for scum. However I can not put together a sold reason for that conclusion. Just a feeling reading over his posts that he is setting up and driving suspects. I have a minor feeling on the layout of the game. I was not expecting a SK to be in this game and the addition of one indicates that it is not a tmdi 1-2 game. But if I had created this game and tossed in both a guard and a healer and included a SK and a killer. One thing that I noticed is that other then the night that Skin and Serc were killed there was no other 2 kill night. Which leads me to believe that either the healer got lucky the first night. Or the second killer had a delayed component to it. I am discounting the second one because adding something like that will automatically drive up tmdi and make it harder for town to win even with multiple town roles. So if we look at it from the perspective that the game started out with town roles of a healer and a guard and then a SK and a separate killer and perhaps symp. That would be somewhat a balanced game. Then we are left with the conclusion that this game has boiled down to town having no roles and there being WCS a killer and symp. Now if you consider tatts "brilliant move" a way for a symp to out all of the roled town players (which it looks like he did) then you could conclude that he was the symp. Of course that would not be playing in the WCS so I will leave that be. Most likely there is a killer and I am going to assume a symp. Town has no roles and there is very little remaining information to go off of. Other then the silanah lynch.

Path-Shaper, on 15 August 2016 - 09:36 PM, said:

It's a lynch!10 Players still alive: Bendal Home, Fener, gait, Grasp, Karosis, Lock, Serc, silanah, Skintick, Ultama6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.6 Votes for silanah ( Ultama, Serc, gait, Grasp, Lock, Karosis )2 Votes for Grasp ( Skintick, silanah )Players not voted: Bendal Home, FenerThe town gathered around the old tree to witness the hanging of the old dragon Silanah. A worried quiet overtook them as they realized they had again strung up one of their own. Silanah was Andorion and R.I.

Hmmm I feel that Gait is more likely to be town. Karosis could be a well playing scum or town. Gasp could be a symp or town and Ultama I have a very uneasy feeling about. That is where I stand.

Always love it when people start talking about WCS and speculating on time left.

Bendal Home, on 17 August 2016 - 04:06 PM, said:

On the WCS chance that there is still a symp left alive I would ask that people refrain from voting until everyone has posted at least some thoughts.

And then, not quoted here, we have him starting to freak a little. Is this burst of activity and pushiness (despite his supposed disenchantment with the game) a sign of what is really going on in his head?

You tell me.

Two things I would say about this that come initially to mind:

One, a chunk of this analysis comes down to interpretation of personality and play style rather than content. Granted, that might be a by-product of BH's lack of posts, but even so, I'd be wary of coming to a solid conclusion based on that. Also BH's lack of voting when NOT displaying strong convictions is not a particularly scummy trait, but you appear to suggest that it is? I'd be more curious as to why he hasn't already voted today.

Two, you're doing the same thing here which I've accused BH of doing and which I've just mentioned. You appear solidly convinced of BH's scumminess, yet you also haven't voted. Why? It worries me that both of you seem to be waiting, and it continues to cloud the waters.

[Ultama]

Fairly straight forward why I have not voted. If there is a symp and killer still present, a vote on the wrong person would cascade into them voting and a loss of the game for us. I wanted to hear other people's thoughts on my cases (like yours, Karo, and Grasp) and figured there was no rush.

I agree that on day 3, not voting is not particularly scummy. But voting once the entire game? Not really making cases or voting? Kind of odd no?

[Ultama]

BTW PS, now I am a little worried. How much time do we have left in the day?

[Bendal Home]

While I agree with the general idea of not voting because of the same reason as ultima. I am very sure of my reasoning. I think that if town rereads my posts today they may be able to discover why. I feel pretty sure that gait will not vote to lynch Ultima. He may lay a second vote on but then remove. I doubt that he will lay a second vote on though. This close to the end it would be playing with fire for him.


I am very confident that Ultima is scum and that Gasp and Karosis are town. Gait has fully revealed that he is the symp.


Vote Ultima