[Gait]

Grasp, on 16 August 2016 - 06:44 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 16 August 2016 - 06:34 PM, said:

It is Day 3. 15 hours and 9 minutes remaining
6 Players still alive: Bendal Home, gait, Grasp, Karosis, Lock, Ultama

4 votes to lynch, 3 votes to go to night.


Players not voted: Bendal Home, gait, Grasp, Karosis, Lock, Ultama

Okay, so a healer, a killer and potentially a symp still alive. Good to know!

Nope, Serc was the healer.

[Grasp]

Oops, totally missed that!

[Lock]

Gait, on 16 August 2016 - 05:39 PM, said:

Reading through a bit. Interesting that Skintick several times expresses that they find Silanah's posts suspect - but they end up voting for Grasp instead, saying that they find Grasp more suspicious. This despite before that expressing clear scepticism over the case on Grasp. Having your cake and eating it too?

Skintick, on 12 August 2016 - 09:25 AM, said:

Wow, looks like I missed a lot. At least the mystery of the additional vote is solved.

Karosis, on 12 August 2016 - 07:11 AM, said:

I'm out to a beer festival all day today.

Don't go expecting posting, if there is any it'll likely be drunk.

Have fun.
But I don't think that voting for Gait due to a mistake in writing by PS is a good idea. It has to be a mistake. Marking scum would make no sense.

Serc, on 12 August 2016 - 01:52 AM, said:

I missed some drama. Bad timing, because RL is getting in the way and I won't be able to contribute much before the freeze. Will be lurking and if there's a case will throw in a vote, but definitely won't have time to do a full re-read before weekend.

Anyway, quick stream of consciousness before I go to sleep. First, where is the Grasp = symp coming from? I mean if Monok CFd scum that would make perfect sense, but since Monok turned out town, I don't see a strong symping case on Grasp. Sure, their PI on Monok and VPI on Lock are nonsense, but this can just as well be bad town play. Which BTW might be a good reason to vote them off, not sure about it tho.

I feel like Monok might have been the symp with his bold attempt to lure out roled players and point them out to killers. It worked with Den.

I also don't like Silanah's play so far. First the gentle nudge towards Monok's post on D1 and now I agree with Eloth: the post at the beginning of D2 triggered my spidey sense too. It's mostly gut, admittedly, but it feels fake.

Silanah, on 11 August 2016 - 05:17 PM, said:

Oh fuck.... fuckity fuck

What the hell was Tattersail thinking?

It took an extra vote to lynch... that means one vote of the 8 didn't count

Grasp = symp was just a try to explain the strange game by them. But I can't see a connection to another player. So they are either a very strange, suicidical symp, also possible or it is just bad town play as you wrote.

Silanah... Okay, this post feels strange a bit. I will have a look later after work.

Skintick, on 15 August 2016 - 06:38 PM, said:

To me Silanah is mostly suspicious because of their first day 2 post. It looks exaggerated.

Silanah, on 11 August 2016 - 05:17 PM, said:

Oh fuck.... fuckity fuck

What the hell was Tattersail thinking?

It took an extra vote to lynch... that means one vote of the 8 didn't count

On the other site is Grasp. In my opinion their play is strange. Too much focus on Tatts trap. I still don't think that it was a good idea.

I'm currently more suspicious about Grasp. Should it be necessary I will change to Silanah to secure a lynch, but we still have a few hours left.

Vote Grasp

Where does that lead to?

[Gait]

Is that a question for me? I thought it was odd that Skintick previously seemed to express more suspicion of Silanah yet voted for Grasp. One explanation for that might be that they knew Silanah would turn up RI, so didn't want to be on that lynch train when it seemed very likely that Sil would be lynched even without their vote.

[Lock]

Gait, on 16 August 2016 - 09:01 PM, said:

Is that a question for me? I thought it was odd that Skintick previously seemed to express more suspicion of Silanah yet voted for Grasp. One explanation for that might be that they knew Silanah would turn up RI, so didn't want to be on that lynch train when it seemed very likely that Sil would be lynched even without their vote.

I don't see a way how would they know any additional info(aside from their existence), but how are those speculations relevant to anything present?

[Gait]

Lock, on 16 August 2016 - 09:15 PM, said:

Gait, on 16 August 2016 - 09:01 PM, said:

Is that a question for me? I thought it was odd that Skintick previously seemed to express more suspicion of Silanah yet voted for Grasp. One explanation for that might be that they knew Silanah would turn up RI, so didn't want to be on that lynch train when it seemed very likely that Sil would be lynched even without their vote.

I don't see a way how would they know any additional info(aside from their existence), but how are those speculations relevant to anything present?

Well they would know Sil was town if they themselves were the scum, no?

Edit: Added 'themselves'.

This post has been edited by Gait: 16 August 2016 - 10:02 PM

[Ultama]

Grasp, on 11 August 2016 - 02:41 PM, said:

Liosan, on 11 August 2016 - 02:36 PM, said:

Grasp, on 11 August 2016 - 02:35 PM, said:

Dear lord you people are dense. Voting out a PI cause you don't like the way he plays is a ridiculous move. You should have left him for scum to waste a kill on.

So day 1 and you've already PId him?

Yeah, he pulled a move I've seen a million times, and it's brilliant even if it does skirt the 'no reveals' rule in a frustrating way. Frankly, the only way to prevent such a thing is for the mod to post the RI PM right off the bat, then there's no using the wording to PI yourself, which is what Monok did with the "I have the power" comment and Lock VPI'd himself by noting where it likely comes from.I mean, believe what you will, that's fine. But I think that there were much more interesting people to look at - i.e. Silanah, Denesmet and Eloth - who've all professed to not understanding what we're on about. I certainly won't be moving my vote over to someone I am pretty sure is RI.

I hate to say it, but reading back through, I think grasp was pretty pragmatic. He does point out a logical stratagem based on given information and in the end is treated like he was the one who broke the rules. I am trying to figure out how people see him as a symp with this perspective, but am not seeing it.

Karosis, on 11 August 2016 - 08:54 PM, said:

Eloth, on 11 August 2016 - 08:36 PM, said:

Nope.I signed up for meat and potatoes.To.me that stretches as far as a few pro town roles (doc, vig, guard, cop) and on the killer side killers and symps (variables of paired/ solo killers)/out

So you're going to fuck over the rest of us by just walking off?You're trying to sound RI and not impressed. That's either a ballsy move by scum or you really are RI and are going to sulk.If you are RI you're doing town a major disservice - TMDI 5/6 as you well know is either multiple threats to town or rare/exotic roles. I.e. town needs every RI zoned into the game and actually playing for town in order to win.In the face of that you walking off is about as useful as a waterproof teabag.Sure you weren't expecting higher TMDI. We know you don't like it. As is clear on thread nor were a number of other people expecting it. Yes we need to seriously adjust our POV on what's happened on thread given that we're not just looking for killers any more. It's a bitch, agreed. But work with us, not against us.

Karosis, on 11 August 2016 - 10:12 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 11 August 2016 - 10:00 PM, said:

It is Day 2. 35 hours and 59 minutes remaining11 Players still alive: Bendal Home, Eloth, Fener, gait, Grasp, Karosis, Lock, Serc, silanah, Skintick, Ultama6 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.Players not voted: Bendal Home, Eloth, Fener, gait, Grasp, Karosis, Lock, Serc, silanah, Skintick, Ultama

Hmm, timer reset anyone?Also am I alone in recalling that game where MM was being used and it listed alts in the order they were input and Gnaw had put scum in first thereby a PS update listed them fist in the "alive" and "not-voted" then the rest alphabetically? Just saying because Gait and Silanah are not capitalised.For the moment that line of enquiry is going to lead me to Vote GaitAlso, low-poster

Karo, on the other hand caught my eye on the reread. So the impassioned speech to Eloth right after Eloth decides it is time to quick seems a little too townie (always suspicious in my book). And then this kind of meh vote for a low poster who is not capitalized? Dunno, seems awfully lazy for someone not a few posts earlier was exhorting town and loyalty. Just wondering why Karo has this odd mix.

[Gait]

Slow day. I may or may not miss the rest of the day. In light of no one proposing anything better, I will simply go with what I noticed.

Vote Skintick

[Ultama]

Or didn't notice...
Skintick is dead, and was a SK no less.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 6 hours and 53 minutes remaining

6 Players still alive: Bendal Home, gait, Grasp, Karosis, Lock, Ultama

4 votes to lynch, 3 votes to go to night.


Players not voted: Bendal Home, gait, Grasp, Karosis, Lock, Ultama

[Gait]

Oh fuck me, in my head Serc was the SK, even though I knew Serc was also healer. That's some serious brain fartage.

[Gait]

Still, at least I suspected the right person...after the fact lol. On those grounds, I'm ok with a no lynch today. I'm obviously not thinking straight enough to put another vote down in tne time remaining, unless someone else comes up with something spectacular.

And here I had been thinking Lock was being deliberately dense.

[Karosis]

Gait, on 17 August 2016 - 01:52 AM, said:

Slow day. I may or may not miss the rest of the day. In light of no one proposing anything better, I will simply go with what I noticed.

Vote Skintick

Path-Shaper, on 17 August 2016 - 02:51 AM, said:

It is Day 3.

6 hours and 53 minutes remaining

6 Players still alive: Bendal Home, gait, Grasp, Karosis, Lock, Ultama

4 votes to lynch, 3 votes to go to night.


Players not voted: Bendal Home, gait, Grasp, Karosis, Lock, Ultama

*coughs*

[Karosis]

We have what I see is a very specific description of roles from PS - unexpected but I'm not going to complain.

So I'm going to run through what I think would be the thoughts of the scum in game.

1 killer, 1 symp.

Starting with the killer, they know they don't have a lover, likely don't know there is an SK from their role PM. So you're in a game with 14 alts and you think you're a lone killer? Logical conclusion from there is that there is another killer out there unknown to you. You can be pretty sure of a symp and would figure that the symp knows both of you. You hope the symp signals you because you need them to let you know who the other killer is if they can. You're looking for signals and try to acknowledge what you think are signals. This leads to an alt that is fairly chatty on thread in order to provide cover for signals. The alt either quotes or answers maybe a few times a subset of alts looking for something. This alt should be reasonably easy to spot given D1 and D2 had a lot more alts so we're only looking at the survivors acknowledging potential signals.


Next up the symp. Symp gets told the name of one alt who is their killer. Symp runs the numbers and concludes that there must be two killers, each with their own symp. 4 scum means more town roles so the symp is either going to not bother signalling because more roles = more chance of a sharp Guard or Finder who picks up on a signal or is going to go subtle.


Both these mindsets are likely present in game until the SK CF. I'm a little strapped for time but I think dividends can be made by looking at D1/D2 with the thought firmly in the front of our minds that the lone killer is looking out for another killer and for signals from their symp.

[Karosis]

Karosis, on 17 August 2016 - 05:53 AM, said:

Gait, on 17 August 2016 - 01:52 AM, said:

Slow day. I may or may not miss the rest of the day. In light of no one proposing anything better, I will simply go with what I noticed.

Vote Skintick

Path-Shaper, on 17 August 2016 - 02:51 AM, said:

It is Day 3.

6 hours and 53 minutes remaining

6 Players still alive: Bendal Home, gait, Grasp, Karosis, Lock, Ultama

4 votes to lynch, 3 votes to go to night.


Players not voted: Bendal Home, gait, Grasp, Karosis, Lock, Ultama

*coughs*

Yeah okay, tired. Ignore this PS, I'm an arse who also clearly hasn't twigged that Skinny is dead

[Karosis]

Gait, on 17 August 2016 - 01:52 AM, said:

Slow day. I may or may not miss the rest of the day. In light of no one proposing anything better, I will simply go with what I noticed. Vote Skintick

Gait, on 17 August 2016 - 05:24 AM, said:

Still, at least I suspected the right person...after the fact lol. On those grounds, I'm ok with a no lynch today. I'm obviously not thinking straight enough to put another vote down in tne time remaining, unless someone else comes up with something spectacular.And here I had been thinking Lock was being deliberately dense.

Had you voted for someone else or had you changed to vote for someone still alive you'd be very high on my radar with that vote. Killer hoping their symp is still alive and will follow likely leading to lynch, NK, 2v2 so win.

At this stage I am fine with no lynch. 6 alts, 1 NK. Tomorrow 5, WCS 3v2. One suspect dead narrowing the field that much more. Then we see the symp thrown under the bus if thread goes the wrong way...

[Karosis]

Ultama, on 17 August 2016 - 12:49 AM, said:

Karosis, on 11 August 2016 - 10:12 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 11 August 2016 - 10:00 PM, said:

It is Day 2. 35 hours and 59 minutes remaining11 Players still alive: Bendal Home, Eloth, Fener, gait, Grasp, Karosis, Lock, Serc, silanah, Skintick, Ultama6 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.Players not voted: Bendal Home, Eloth, Fener, gait, Grasp, Karosis, Lock, Serc, silanah, Skintick, Ultama

Hmm, timer reset anyone?Also am I alone in recalling that game where MM was being used and it listed alts in the order they were input and Gnaw had put scum in first thereby a PS update listed them fist in the "alive" and "not-voted" then the rest alphabetically? Just saying because Gait and Silanah are not capitalised.For the moment that line of enquiry is going to lead me to Vote GaitAlso, low-poster

Karo, on the other hand caught my eye on the reread. So the impassioned speech to Eloth right after Eloth decides it is time to quick seems a little too townie (always suspicious in my book). And then this kind of meh vote for a low poster who is not capitalized? Dunno, seems awfully lazy for someone not a few posts earlier was exhorting town and loyalty. Just wondering why Karo has this odd mix.

Because at that point I was pretty damned sure Mac was RI. Like hell is he just going to throw his toys out the pram and be allowed to do it without being made to feel a bit of a tit in a game where we clearly are going to need every single body.

As for the vote based on capitalisation, I'm going to stand by it. Having seen games where a little slip like that could have blown the game thoroughly into towns court I'm not going to take the chance of it happening again because I let it slide. Gait was a non-entity. Since then they've stepped up a bit and started posting. That's a good thing. You all went with Silanah instead because you found them suspicious. Fine. They also hit the spot for non-capitalised name for me.

At the moment I dislike how much of an absence Bendal is.

[Lock]

Ultama, on 17 August 2016 - 12:49 AM, said:

Grasp, on 11 August 2016 - 02:41 PM, said:

Liosan, on 11 August 2016 - 02:36 PM, said:

Grasp, on 11 August 2016 - 02:35 PM, said:

Dear lord you people are dense. Voting out a PI cause you don't like the way he plays is a ridiculous move. You should have left him for scum to waste a kill on.

So day 1 and you've already PId him?

Yeah, he pulled a move I've seen a million times, and it's brilliant even if it does skirt the 'no reveals' rule in a frustrating way. Frankly, the only way to prevent such a thing is for the mod to post the RI PM right off the bat, then there's no using the wording to PI yourself, which is what Monok did with the "I have the power" comment and Lock VPI'd himself by noting where it likely comes from.I mean, believe what you will, that's fine. But I think that there were much more interesting people to look at - i.e. Silanah, Denesmet and Eloth - who've all professed to not understanding what we're on about. I certainly won't be moving my vote over to someone I am pretty sure is RI.

I hate to say it, but reading back through, I think grasp was pretty pragmatic. He does point out a logical stratagem based on given information and in the end is treated like he was the one who broke the rules. I am trying to figure out how people see him as a symp with this perspective, but am not seeing it.

Yeah but all of them dropped names turned out to be town now, as a symp they'd know that none of them was his master but likely town roled

[Lock]

A lynch is probably not happening today and I'm okay with that. I really don't like the Karosis's what would scum think post, that seems like too much to presume.

I'll also note that Denesmet the N1 victim was aside from being one of dropped names also Ment

[Karosis]

Lock, on 17 August 2016 - 06:50 AM, said:

A lynch is probably not happening today and I'm okay with that. I really don't like the Karosis's what would scum think post, that seems like too much to presume.

I'll also note that Denesmet the N1 victim was aside from being one of dropped names also Ment

Really? Think about it. You get a Role PM that says you're a killer or a symp but doesn't name another killer. What would your thought processes be? Genuinely curious as to what you'd make of the setup from the start of the game.