[Telas]

Day 1: Shadow comments on Merrid's "let's cut the crappy Day 1 RP" post. Then he follows Dem's joke vote on OE. That's it.

Day 2:

Shadow, on 29 June 2016 - 02:32 PM, said:

Demelain, on 29 June 2016 - 02:29 PM, said:

Yeah, really messed it up. My initial idea for the fractions is very likely wrong and that's why my tactic was pure shit. Sorry team.

No problem with lynching me for that. I'm deserving it.

Just wait with it until some other people have some new ideas. Maybe there is something else we have missed.

This seems like a weirdly specific stance this early in the game.

That's it

Day 3

Shadow, on 30 June 2016 - 01:38 PM, said:

Merrid, on 30 June 2016 - 01:26 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 30 June 2016 - 12:59 PM, said:

It is Day 3. 36 hours remaining.

12 players still alive: (Demelain,Denul,Fanderay,Aparal Forge,Korlat,Merrid,Kessobahn,Emurlahn,Telas,Shadow,Togg,Kadagar Fant,Olar Ethil)

7 votes to lynch. 7 votes to go night.


Players not voted: (Denul,Fanderay,Aparal Forge,Korlat,Merrid,Kessobahn,Emurlahn,Telas,Shadow,Togg,Kadagar Fant,Olar Ethil)

Dem's identity was not surprising to me. His CF however, was unexpected. I was pretty sure we would see something that would indicate he wasn't a student at Sunnydale.

The second night in a row with no NK is really interesting. I have two theories regarding why we haven't had any NK's so far. The first probable thing that comes to my mind is that some sort of behind the scenes shit with a guard is going on, and in that case speculating about the no NK on thread is useless.

The second option I see is that we can't trust the CFs, and Anomandaris may have been the sole killer in the game. I admit though that I find this highly unlikely. Because both of those two conditions would scream "terrible game design".

Or NK/Recruit are alternative abilities.

Though I have been thinking about screwed up CFs as well.

This game is really confusing as I know nothing of Buffy. Guess I should get updated

KF makes a merrid case. (no reveal yet) Shadow comes on:

Shadow, on 01 July 2016 - 05:37 PM, said:

Hey Merrid if you think there is more than one recruiter are you saying there are multiple vampire factions? Or are you just being pedantic?

KF reveals Merrid to be Darla. No lynch happens.

[Telas]

Day 4

Shadow, on 05 July 2016 - 02:04 AM, said:

Given Merrids CF it might be useful to take a close look at Kessobahn

First serious suggestion. Kinda speaks in his favour, but not very, as Kesso kinda already painted a target. Any half-competent Master might throw him under the bus here.

Kesso makes his defence:

Shadow, on 05 July 2016 - 12:23 PM, said:

Frankly that kind of postponement is rather stupid. If you thought Merrid should be lynched why didn't you vote? Maybe your vote could have brought in a fence sitter for the hammer

Shadow, on 05 July 2016 - 05:57 PM, said:

A Bird in Hand is worth Two in the bush. We know Kesso held off voting on a confirmed Vampire. That reason seems good enough for me

Shadow, on 06 July 2016 - 03:32 AM, said:

Y'know what with the poor logic on holding off voting and apparently not knowing about BP Kesso seems to be making a case that he is new and we should be excusing his sloppy gameplay...

If this is true, this is the second time school has had someone messing up onthread, or its a ploy.

Still trying to decide on this

Shadow, on 06 July 2016 - 01:24 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on 06 July 2016 - 09:22 AM, said:

Okay, have a short break at work so will try to put some more thoughts together. Don’t expect to have another chance when I’m back home But at least we got the conversation going about something else than WHY U NO VOTE MERRID.

Olar Ethil, on 05 July 2016 - 11:27 PM, said:

How did the idea of a third faction originate? What makes you think that?

What Telas said: what kind of a faction game is that with two factions?

And about other point made by Telas:

Telas, on 06 July 2016 - 03:19 AM, said:

That's precisely what I've been hammering Kesso on. His entire argument is that KF and Togg are power roles, and can't be School, because "largest faction with power roles is too OP"

I can see the possible logic, but I'm not convinced of the existence of this "Pro-School Guard" that Kesso is hinging all his assumptions on. As such, I'm not convinced that KF and Togg are not School power roles. And I'm not willing to risk them at this juncture.

That’s not exactly true. I said specifically that I think School has a vig (Buffy. I think Kadagar also mentioned this idea) and a Guard (because no NKs on first two nights. Yes there are other possible explanations but I roll with Guard as the most likely, no point in repeating walls of text from few posts above). From the CFs we’ve seen, it’s also likely that School has/had advantage in numbers. So if beyond that they also had a Finder, that sounds like a lot.

Emurlahn, on 06 July 2016 - 07:04 AM, said:

Sorry, you seem to be claiming some knowledge of the functioning of the Vampire faction here. Because to those without a vamp PM for all we know every vamp can bite (recruit) therefore once you know who one is you kill them to stop them spreading. Leaving them alive even an extra day is bad. Since you're not thinking that you must have some pretty direct knowledge as to what they can do.

If every vampire could recruit, that would give them geometric growth. It would break the game.

Kadagar Fant, on 06 July 2016 - 07:10 AM, said:

The issue then becomes: we had 2 NKs on night 3 (Aparal Forge, Student & Merrid, Vampire).
This would only be possible if one of those killers has never tried to kill before, and the guard shifted his target from the person they were guarding who did have a kill, to someone else - perhaps to Merrid?
Also, Merrid is not going to die by his own faction killing them, so it seems safe to assume that either the students have a vig, and/or the third party has a kill - but unless the and/and scenario is true, who killed the Student on night 3?

That’s pure speculation, but my idea is:
Guard guards a Killer on N1 and N2. You reveal Merrid on D3. On N3, Vig (Buffy) NKs Merrid, Guard switches the target (judging from the conversation from D3, possibly to Merrid or me?), Killer NKs Aparal.

In this setup, Guard is kind of fucked, because they know a killer, but cannot reveal and would need a good case to lead a lynch.

I still think we should poke the low-posters more (especially since my case against Togg looks dead in the water): Korlat, Emurlahn, Shadow, Denul, they’ve all been laying fairly low and it’s pretty late in the game already. I am particularly concerned with Korlat after I’ve specifically called them out for leading with a vote that Merrid followed with a bullshit case and having only 3 posts so far.

That’s the direction I think we should be looking if you don’t want to roll with the third faction theory.

Will be lurking from time to time but unlikely I will be able to post anything else for the next few hours.

Ok explain to me why this hypothetical Guard switches when Guarding that target had yielded two NK less nights?

Shadow, on 06 July 2016 - 03:36 PM, said:

Korlat, on 06 July 2016 - 03:30 PM, said:

Shadow, on 06 July 2016 - 01:24 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on 06 July 2016 - 09:22 AM, said:

Okay, have a short break at work so will try to put some more thoughts together. Don’t expect to have another chance when I’m back home But at least we got the conversation going about something else than WHY U NO VOTE MERRID.

Olar Ethil, on 05 July 2016 - 11:27 PM, said:

How did the idea of a third faction originate? What makes you think that?

What Telas said: what kind of a faction game is that with two factions?

And about other point made by Telas:

Telas, on 06 July 2016 - 03:19 AM, said:

That's precisely what I've been hammering Kesso on. His entire argument is that KF and Togg are power roles, and can't be School, because "largest faction with power roles is too OP"

I can see the possible logic, but I'm not convinced of the existence of this "Pro-School Guard" that Kesso is hinging all his assumptions on. As such, I'm not convinced that KF and Togg are not School power roles. And I'm not willing to risk them at this juncture.

That’s not exactly true. I said specifically that I think School has a vig (Buffy. I think Kadagar also mentioned this idea) and a Guard (because no NKs on first two nights. Yes there are other possible explanations but I roll with Guard as the most likely, no point in repeating walls of text from few posts above). From the CFs we’ve seen, it’s also likely that School has/had advantage in numbers. So if beyond that they also had a Finder, that sounds like a lot.

Emurlahn, on 06 July 2016 - 07:04 AM, said:

Sorry, you seem to be claiming some knowledge of the functioning of the Vampire faction here. Because to those without a vamp PM for all we know every vamp can bite (recruit) therefore once you know who one is you kill them to stop them spreading. Leaving them alive even an extra day is bad. Since you're not thinking that you must have some pretty direct knowledge as to what they can do.

If every vampire could recruit, that would give them geometric growth. It would break the game.

Kadagar Fant, on 06 July 2016 - 07:10 AM, said:

The issue then becomes: we had 2 NKs on night 3 (Aparal Forge, Student & Merrid, Vampire).
This would only be possible if one of those killers has never tried to kill before, and the guard shifted his target from the person they were guarding who did have a kill, to someone else - perhaps to Merrid?
Also, Merrid is not going to die by his own faction killing them, so it seems safe to assume that either the students have a vig, and/or the third party has a kill - but unless the and/and scenario is true, who killed the Student on night 3?

That’s pure speculation, but my idea is:
Guard guards a Killer on N1 and N2. You reveal Merrid on D3. On N3, Vig (Buffy) NKs Merrid, Guard switches the target (judging from the conversation from D3, possibly to Merrid or me?), Killer NKs Aparal.

In this setup, Guard is kind of fucked, because they know a killer, but cannot reveal and would need a good case to lead a lynch.

I still think we should poke the low-posters more (especially since my case against Togg looks dead in the water): Korlat, Emurlahn, Shadow, Denul, they’ve all been laying fairly low and it’s pretty late in the game already. I am particularly concerned with Korlat after I’ve specifically called them out for leading with a vote that Merrid followed with a bullshit case and having only 3 posts so far.

That’s the direction I think we should be looking if you don’t want to roll with the third faction theory.

Will be lurking from time to time but unlikely I will be able to post anything else for the next few hours.

Ok explain to me why this hypothetical Guard switches when Guarding that target had yielded two NK less nights?

I don't like you. Have been watching for your rare posts which are rarely that substantial. And as I said, it's odd to have such focus on guards, a role we traditionally discuss but then try to avoid so we don't lose that protection.

I have been an infrequent poster, yes, trying to remedy that.

Kesso is the one talking about the Guard. I am just questioning his logic

Ok, this is nice, Shadow is playing... except I'm arguing with Kesso about the exact same things. It's like he's repeating my thoughts. (except for the school messing up on thread twice, but that's neighter here nor there, b/c I don't see it as relevant info)

[Telas]

Then Kesso is lynched. Shadow didn't vote (in all fairness, neither did I, Denul beat me to it)

Day 5- Shadow missed it.


Night 5:

Shadow, on 07 July 2016 - 06:31 PM, said:

Oh damn late again.

Is it just me or did that Korlat lynch seem just a little bit rushed?

Emur has some explaining to do

Day 6

Shadow, on 07 July 2016 - 07:01 PM, said:

No NK?

Interesting. Anything to contribute to this Emurlahn?

Seem like productive things to say... except once again, I made the exact same points earlier.

Shadow, on 07 July 2016 - 07:07 PM, said:

As stated upthread if the NK and Recruit are alternate abilities for the Vamps, they just got someone new. So the School lost two people tonight.

Shadow, on 08 July 2016 - 02:53 AM, said:

While I understand going after low posters and I have definitely been one, I would like to point out that it is quite likely that the Vamp faction have multiple people and sticking a couple of them in the high poster slot makes a lot of sense.

In response to this, I'm just gonna say that right now we've had 5 nighs and 2 Vampire CFs. potentially we're up to 3 recruits. KF suggesting that Angel joined the good guys sets it back. Still, we might be looking at up to 3 vamps right now. if we make a few more bad lynches, the numbers could turn nasty.

So right now finding the head recruiter ("Master" that AF kept talking about until he was NKed) becomes more important.
and it's kinda interesting that the only original thought Shadow had was concerning the alternative kill/recruit mechanic for the vampires- which is something both Merrid and Kesso quickly pick up and start discussing to death.

The fact that after Day 2 Shadow started basically parroting my ideas isn't really happening me to trust him, either, naturally.

[Telas]

I'm not gonna vote before bed, in case I'm wrong and a bunch of vamps jump on for an endgame or smth. I'll be back in 7ish hours or so. I'd like to hear what people think of this. Shadow is currently my preference, b/c Denul is just way too much of an unknown. It's either Silencer-level smooth low-posing, or genuine disinterested RI.

[Kadagar Fant]

I have no knowledge about Denul or Shadow, and would like a better read on them. Lynching would be one way to get there, I guess. I think the case Telas made, is pretty decent.

[Fanderay]

Kadagar Fant, on 08 July 2016 - 10:24 AM, said:

I have no knowledge about Denul or Shadow, and would like a better read on them. Lynching would be one way to get there, I guess. I think the case Telas made, is pretty decent.

After reading up the last day, with all that's gone on so far. All the information out there, we get

Shadow, on 08 July 2016 - 02:53 AM, said:

While I understand going after low posters and I have definitely been one, I would like to point out that it is quite likely that the Vamp faction have multiple people and sticking a couple of them in the high poster slot makes a lot of sense.

Shadow's only response. Only thoughts in the game. No votes on him yet though although people have mentioned him. No response to Telas really either.

Vote Shadow

[Fanderay]

What time is weekend freeze?

[Togg]

Olar is here too, I'd forgotten about them, they're an unknown too. I'm willing to vote either of the low posting trio and I likes the case on Shadow

Vote Shadow

[Telas]

morning, folks. Slept in, so gonna be running late.

I suppose I should be putting my vote where my mouth is.

vote Shadow

[Path-Shaper]

Fanderay, on 08 July 2016 - 10:29 AM, said:

What time is weekend freeze?

5:00 PM pst

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 6. 20 hours 30 minutes remain.

8 players still alive: (Denul,Fanderay, Emurlahn,Telas,Shadow,Togg,Kadagar Fant,Olar Ethil)

5 votes to lynch. 5 votes to go night.

3 votes Shadow (Fanderay,Togg, Telas)
Players not voted: (Denul, Kadagar Fant, Emurlahn, Korlat,Shadow,Olar Ethil)

[Fanderay]

KF maybe you should do a find on me or Telas tonight. Denul may be a low poster, but we're both high posters and it will put people's minds at ease.

[Fanderay]

Fanderay, on 08 July 2016 - 01:13 PM, said:

KF maybe you should do a find on me or Telas tonight. Denul may be a low poster, but we're both high posters and it will put people's minds at ease.

Unless you already have

[Telas]

Going by posting times, Emu was strangely absent today during his usual posting hours.

Denul and shadow migh show up in the next 3 hours. OE is a cointoss.

I'll check back towards the end of lunch, I guess.

[Togg]

Fanderay, on 08 July 2016 - 01:13 PM, said:

KF maybe you should do a find on me or Telas tonight. Denul may be a low poster, but we're both high posters and it will put people's minds at ease.

We're not here to put people's minds at ease. If you really believe Telas is school, then there's no point in doing a find on them. I wasn't finding you two less suspicious because merely because you're high posters and recruiter usually prefers low posters, I'm finding you less suspicious because I didnt think you're acting scummy and thought you're the same faction as me.

This post screams "oh look at me I'm not afraid of being found"

So, yes, now I agree, maybe KF really should perform a find on you

[Olar Ethil]

I'm here, so Shadow's up for the lynch. Let's find out why.

[Olar Ethil]

Path-Shaper, on 07 July 2016 - 06:22 PM, said:

It's a lynch
It is Day 5. Some time left...

9 players still alive: (Denul,Fanderay,Korlat,Emurlahn,Telas,Shadow,Togg,Kadagar Fant,Olar Ethil)

5 votes to lynch. 5 votes to go night.
5 votes Korlat (Fanderay, Emurlahn, Kadagar Fant, Telas, Togg)


Players not voted: (Denul,Korlat, Shadow,Olar Ethil)

Korlat was Joyce Summers and Buffy's Mom. She was played by JPK and his understudy who took over, Gust Hubb.

It is now night

First, has this been answered? Emur said that Korlat had a kill/tried to kill/something about performing a kill.

Does Joyce Summers seem like the kind of character who would have such an ability?

[Olar Ethil]

Emurlahn, on 07 July 2016 - 06:31 PM, said:

Telas, on 07 July 2016 - 06:25 PM, said:

Well, that certainly poses some questions re: Emur. No vamp CF either

Too f****** right it does. I performed an action on Korlat for 3 out of 4 nights and we have no kill. I target elsewhere on that other night and we have two kills. Tell me I'm not alone in thinking I'd got a killer with that.

Ah, I see. This is the explanation, right? So in the end Emur just assumed apparently.

[Kadagar Fant]

Olar Ethil, on 08 July 2016 - 04:09 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 07 July 2016 - 06:22 PM, said:

It's a lynch
It is Day 5. Some time left...

9 players still alive: (Denul,Fanderay,Korlat,Emurlahn,Telas,Shadow,Togg,Kadagar Fant,Olar Ethil)

5 votes to lynch. 5 votes to go night.
5 votes Korlat (Fanderay, Emurlahn, Kadagar Fant, Telas, Togg)


Players not voted: (Denul,Korlat, Shadow,Olar Ethil)

Korlat was Joyce Summers and Buffy's Mom. She was played by JPK and his understudy who took over, Gust Hubb.

It is now night

First, has this been answered? Emur said that Korlat had a kill/tried to kill/something about performing a kill.

Does Joyce Summers seem like the kind of character who would have such an ability?

Eh, no. And Emurlahn is very sorry about that, I am sure.
Basically, Emurlahn guarded Korlat on N1, N2, N4. On night 3, there was a kill on Jesse and aalledgedly a vig by Buffy on Merrid. Emur put one and one together and arrived at 2, when instead they needed to take the square root of 1. It was extremely regretable but also very understandable. What's more, since then I confirmed they're Angel and on team School.

Vote Shadow.

[Olar Ethil]

Fanderay, on 07 July 2016 - 07:50 PM, said:

The good thing about you clearing Emurlahn KF is that we won't be focusing on him today. I buy his explanation too as it makes sense. My paranoid mafia head hopes you have not been recruited though. Buffys mum is a vanilla mortal and is one of the good guys.

I'm surprised that this hasn't had more attention today. It's not unreasonable paranoia to think that a finder who revealed days ago should either be dead or recruited by now.

We've had Emurlahn claiming guard abilities, but he says he's been guarding Korlat almost every night, who wasn't a vamp. So wasn't stopping anything getting to KF there.

The only way KF is not recruited by now is if either the vamp recruiter is super dumb, or they have their own protections. I've already stated this and been roundly ignored.