[Merrid]

Fanderay, on 30 June 2016 - 01:46 PM, said:

Although both of these character are not mere mortals like Xander for example. Amy was a witch and Harmony was a vampire albeit weak ones.

Wait, you mean both the characters that have been lynched likely had roles? Because that's what it sounds like.

[Fanderay]

Merrid, on 30 June 2016 - 01:48 PM, said:

Fanderay, on 30 June 2016 - 01:46 PM, said:

Although both of these character are not mere mortals like Xander for example. Amy was a witch and Harmony was a vampire albeit weak ones.

Wait, you mean both the characters that have been lynched likely had roles? Because that's what it sounds like.

No, nothing like that. In the show both of these characters were not vanilla mortals is what I am saying.

[Fanderay]

Merrid, on 30 June 2016 - 01:41 PM, said:

Telas, on 30 June 2016 - 01:34 PM, said:

I don't see Vengy playing solo killer like that on Day 1. Given he's got limited time RL, I doubt he'd RP like that (yes, posting walls of lyrics is RP for Venge. This is the guy who posts "100 bottles of beer on the wall" in one massive post for fun) if he was anything but RI (presuming all Sunnydale students except Buffy got no special powers, they are "roleless" in my book)

Talking about guards/healers/BPs and other possible nightly shenanigans is just about totally useless, b/c there's no night scenes to look for clues in.

I agree with both the points you make. I still think we need to have some idea about how the game is working before doing the third lynch. So, we at least need to reach a consensus regarding the factions in game that we know.

Students at Sunnydale ~ probably the largest faction, roles???
Vampire ~ we know there is at least one, Togg called him "our recruiter"
Demons ~Speculation, don't know if they exist in game
Forces of darkness ~ see above

That's not a lot of information. And that is most certainly not the whole picture. You can't have a game with 1 killer/recruiter/whatever and 13 people in the other team and call it balanced. (or a faction game for that matter)

I agree with this, maybe we should be looking at those who are lying low, not sticking their heads out.

[Kessobahn]

Didn't see that coming. Still at work, so will get a closer look at D2 later on. When it comes to lack of NKs, it's possible a Guard got lucky on N1 and continues blocking the killer. Alternating recruit/kill is also possible, happened in the last game, but what would that leave us with? 2 large factions and a wildcard recruiter/killer?

[Telas]

Kessobahn, on 30 June 2016 - 01:54 PM, said:

Didn't see that coming. Still at work, so will get a closer look at D2 later on. When it comes to lack of NKs, it's possible a Guard got lucky on N1 and continues blocking the killer. Alternating recruit/kill is also possible, happened in the last game, but what would that leave us with? 2 large factions and a wildcard recruiter/killer?

If there's 2 large factions, the not-student faction has been enjoying a nice streak of luck...

[Merrid]

Kessobahn, on 30 June 2016 - 01:54 PM, said:

Didn't see that coming. Still at work, so will get a closer look at D2 later on. When it comes to lack of NKs, it's possible a Guard got lucky on N1 and continues blocking the killer. Alternating recruit/kill is also possible, happened in the last game, but what would that leave us with? 2 large factions and a wildcard recruiter/killer?

I don't know why both you and Togg think there is a single recruiter working alone. Is there a reason we can't have multiple recruiters or a recruiter with a faction?
If there is, please tell me what it is.

[Korlat]

So the question is how much do we trust the Co's to point out the faction of the characters? As was said, we have background that indicates a witch and a vampire. The main identifier, student at Sunnydale, really tells us nothing.

I have always preferred the person-who-smelt-it-dealt-it approach to this game, people having the unresistable urge to discuss their roles.

Vote Togg

I also wonder if as a witch Vengy did have a role? Maybe empowering/protecting others?

[Merrid]

Korlat, on 30 June 2016 - 02:43 PM, said:

So the question is how much do we trust the Co's to point out the faction of the characters? As was said, we have background that indicates a witch and a vampire. The main identifier, student at Sunnydale, really tells us nothing.

I have always preferred the person-who-smelt-it-dealt-it approach to this game, people having the unresistable urge to discuss their roles.

Vote Togg

I also wonder if as a witch Vengy did have a role? Maybe empowering/protecting others?

That is a good approach.

Vote Togg

Perhaps this will make him talk.

[Telas]

Did a real quick look-see on Togg. He's been vote 4 on both trains so far. Could be safe, "middle-of-the-pack" votes, could be genuine time zone reasons, not sure. Make of that what you will.

RL is kicking my ass today, i'll be back in a few hours.

[Kessobahn]

Telas, on 30 June 2016 - 01:59 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on 30 June 2016 - 01:54 PM, said:

Didn't see that coming. Still at work, so will get a closer look at D2 later on. When it comes to lack of NKs, it's possible a Guard got lucky on N1 and continues blocking the killer. Alternating recruit/kill is also possible, happened in the last game, but what would that leave us with? 2 large factions and a wildcard recruiter/killer?

If there's 2 large factions, the not-student faction has been enjoying a nice streak of luck...

If there indeed would be 2 large factions, what happened isn't really improbable. The first lynch is as good as a coin toss, and on D2 Dem/Colt pretty much handed one to non-School factions. So it's not like an implausible streak of events. On the other hand, we don't really know what's happening during the Night. It might be a Guard blocking the Killer, but it's less likely than a recruiter. So the numbers have probably been tipped more than just via the lynches.

Merrid, on 30 June 2016 - 02:38 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on 30 June 2016 - 01:54 PM, said:

Didn't see that coming. Still at work, so will get a closer look at D2 later on. When it comes to lack of NKs, it's possible a Guard got lucky on N1 and continues blocking the killer. Alternating recruit/kill is also possible, happened in the last game, but what would that leave us with? 2 large factions and a wildcard recruiter/killer?

I don't know why both you and Togg think there is a single recruiter working alone. Is there a reason we can't have multiple recruiters or a recruiter with a faction?
If there is, please tell me what it is.

I'd expect multiple recruiters to be offset by multiple killers, otherwise it would be total chaos. And we had 0 NKs so far. Unless they have to choose between NK and recruit, then it makes sense. Recruiter with a faction sounds more plausible.

[Aparal Forge]

Telas, on 30 June 2016 - 01:44 PM, said:

Shadow, on 30 June 2016 - 01:38 PM, said:

Merrid, on 30 June 2016 - 01:26 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 30 June 2016 - 12:59 PM, said:

It is Day 3. 36 hours remaining.

12 players still alive: (Demelain,Denul,Fanderay,Aparal Forge,Korlat,Merrid,Kessobahn,Emurlahn,Telas,Shadow,Togg,Kadagar Fant,Olar Ethil)

7 votes to lynch. 7 votes to go night.


Players not voted: (Denul,Fanderay,Aparal Forge,Korlat,Merrid,Kessobahn,Emurlahn,Telas,Shadow,Togg,Kadagar Fant,Olar Ethil)

Dem's identity was not surprising to me. His CF however, was unexpected. I was pretty sure we would see something that would indicate he wasn't a student at Sunnydale.

The second night in a row with no NK is really interesting. I have two theories regarding why we haven't had any NK's so far. The first probable thing that comes to my mind is that some sort of behind the scenes shit with a guard is going on, and in that case speculating about the no NK on thread is useless.

The second option I see is that we can't trust the CFs, and Anomandaris may have been the sole killer in the game. I admit though that I find this highly unlikely. Because both of those two conditions would scream "terrible game design".

Or NK/Recruit are alternative abilities.

Though I have been thinking about screwed up CFs as well.

This game is really confusing as I know nothing of Buffy. Guess I should get updated

Hot blond teenage girl is destined to save world from vampires. Has a typical TV show entourage of high school friends
Action and teenage high-school type drama ensues.
There's a listing of villains of the week up thread.

It got seriously more complicated later, but that's how it started.

Slayers were more created to fight any demon, not just vampire. Hence Giles roll in informing and training the slayer about all the big nasty's. The goal is to stop the spread of evil.

[Aparal Forge]

Merrid, on 30 June 2016 - 01:41 PM, said:

Telas, on 30 June 2016 - 01:34 PM, said:

I don't see Vengy playing solo killer like that on Day 1. Given he's got limited time RL, I doubt he'd RP like that (yes, posting walls of lyrics is RP for Venge. This is the guy who posts "100 bottles of beer on the wall" in one massive post for fun) if he was anything but RI (presuming all Sunnydale students except Buffy got no special powers, they are "roleless" in my book)

Talking about guards/healers/BPs and other possible nightly shenanigans is just about totally useless, b/c there's no night scenes to look for clues in.

I agree with both the points you make. I still think we need to have some idea about how the game is working before doing the third lynch. So, we at least need to reach a consensus regarding the factions in game that we know.

Students at Sunnydale ~ probably the largest faction, roles???
Vampire ~ we know there is at least one, Togg called him "our recruiter"
Demons ~Speculation, don't know if they exist in game
Forces of darkness ~ see above

That's not a lot of information. And that is most certainly not the whole picture. You can't have a game with 1 killer/recruiter/whatever and 13 people in the other team and call it balanced. (or a faction game for that matter)

I have said before it's probably the Master and the Order of Aurelius.

I could see Spike and Drusilla being a alternative faction with their own goal.

Also Angel, Pre-Angelus could be in this game as a 3rd faction.

[Aparal Forge]

Korlat, on 30 June 2016 - 02:43 PM, said:

So the question is how much do we trust the Co's to point out the faction of the characters? As was said, we have background that indicates a witch and a vampire. The main identifier, student at Sunnydale, really tells us nothing.

I have always preferred the person-who-smelt-it-dealt-it approach to this game, people having the unresistable urge to discuss their roles.

Vote Togg

I also wonder if as a witch Vengy did have a role? Maybe empowering/protecting others?

This tells us quite a bit until we find a specific character that is referenced by the show who is in fact evil. So far I am taking it as student's are dieing and the recruiter is growing more powerful.

This seems to be a detour, why are we just assuming these people had secondary roles now?

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 32 hours 55 minutes remaining.

12 players still alive: (Demelain,Denul,Fanderay,Aparal Forge,Korlat,Merrid,Kessobahn,Emurlahn,Telas,Shadow,Togg,Kadagar Fant,Olar Ethil)

7 votes to lynch. 7 votes to go night.

2 votes Togg (Korlat, Merrid)

Players not voted: (Denul,Fanderay,Aparal Forge,Kessobahn,Emurlahn,Telas,Shadow,Togg,Kadagar Fant,Olar Ethil)

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 30 June 2016 - 04:05 PM

[Kessobahn]

Back from work and took a look at previous pages but can't really say I'm arriving at any strong conclusions. Togg sounds like a viable option but more due to a lack of better candidate than any particularly strong reasoning. Which makes me think we should grill the quite ones more. I looked at Olar Ethil's posts and on D1 it was just the 'club' chatter and no vote. On D2 it was Dem drive-by vote (number 5) and this:

Olar Ethil, on 30 June 2016 - 10:14 AM, said:

I'm all about quality over quantity?

No, just got nothing useful to say at the moment. Not that there aren't things to pick out - the spot on Demelain proves that - it's just that I've been unable to thus far. I'm still very unclear on the actual setup, so just treading water for the time being.

I don't like this post at all. It's a weak excuse for staying away from the action and then Olar's back to doing nothing. That asks for more heat.

vote Olar Ethil

[Telas]

Aparal Forge, on 30 June 2016 - 04:02 PM, said:

Korlat, on 30 June 2016 - 02:43 PM, said:

So the question is how much do we trust the Co's to point out the faction of the characters? As was said, we have background that indicates a witch and a vampire. The main identifier, student at Sunnydale, really tells us nothing.

I have always preferred the person-who-smelt-it-dealt-it approach to this game, people having the unresistable urge to discuss their roles.

Vote Togg

I also wonder if as a witch Vengy did have a role? Maybe empowering/protecting others?

This tells us quite a bit until we find a specific character that is referenced by the show who is in fact evil. So far I am taking it as student's are dieing and the recruiter is growing more powerful.

This seems to be a detour, why are we just assuming these people had secondary roles now?

Because in the show they weren't vanilla humans. And in mafia-speak this often translates into roles. And since we can't reveal, everyone jumps on a chance to speculate like a pack of hyenas on a week-old skeleton

[Togg]

Busy day, don't have much time

Merrid, on 30 June 2016 - 01:36 PM, said:

Togg, on 29 June 2016 - 07:44 PM, said:

So, one apparent vampire between us, My money is on this guy being recruiter
Your stance is shite Merrid, if everyone had the stance, would you really expect Dem to slip-reveal anything?So, let's say you're trying to get an additional day or two for your teammate. Recruiters profit the most from additional day or two.I can imagine Dem recruiting you with your serious stance yesterday, are you that girl by a chance, Merrid?But first let's see who is Dem thoughvote Demelain

I have issues with this statement because I can't remember PS ever mentioning the existence of one single recruiter in the game. You saying "my money is on this being our recruiter" makes me suspect you have more knowledge than the rest of us about the recruit mechanic.

If there is a post in thread or out of thread that mentions the game's mechanics more in depth I have missed it, and would love a quote or a link to it.

Strawmanning much?

Togg, on 29 June 2016 - 07:44 PM, said:

My money is on this guy being recruiter

Merrid, on 30 June 2016 - 01:36 PM, said:

"my money is on this being our recruiter"

Sounds different to me

Merrid, on 30 June 2016 - 02:38 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on 30 June 2016 - 01:54 PM, said:

Didn't see that coming. Still at work, so will get a closer look at D2 later on. When it comes to lack of NKs, it's possible a Guard got lucky on N1 and continues blocking the killer. Alternating recruit/kill is also possible, happened in the last game, but what would that leave us with? 2 large factions and a wildcard recruiter/killer?

I don't know why both you and Togg think there is a single recruiter working alone. Is there a reason we can't have multiple recruiters or a recruiter with a faction?
If there is, please tell me what it is.

Where is even the slightest implication of me thinking anything like that?

Korlat, on 30 June 2016 - 02:43 PM, said:

So the question is how much do we trust the Co's to point out the faction of the characters? As was said, we have background that indicates a witch and a vampire. The main identifier, student at Sunnydale, really tells us nothing.

I have always preferred the person-who-smelt-it-dealt-it approach to this game, people having the unresistable urge to discuss their roles.

Vote Togg

I doubt I'm first one to mention this, it was actually my first idea about the setup when vampires were mentioned

Merrid, on 30 June 2016 - 02:46 PM, said:

Korlat, on 30 June 2016 - 02:43 PM, said:

So the question is how much do we trust the Co's to point out the faction of the characters? As was said, we have background that indicates a witch and a vampire. The main identifier, student at Sunnydale, really tells us nothing.

I have always preferred the person-who-smelt-it-dealt-it approach to this game, people having the unresistable urge to discuss their roles.

Vote Togg

I also wonder if as a witch Vengy did have a role? Maybe empowering/protecting others?

That is a good approach.

Vote Togg

Ofcourse,

you're annoying and think I'm not in your faction apparently, that's enough for me now

vote Merrid

[Path-Shaper]

Sooooo polling the thread. We can either have the 3 day weekend as one long night, or one long day. I have no life, so if you want to play through with a very long clock I am good with it.

[Telas]

Out for the next 4 days. Happy C-day, thread.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 29 hours 00 minutes remaining.

12 players still alive: (Demelain,Denul,Fanderay,Aparal Forge,Korlat,Merrid,Kessobahn,Emurlahn,Telas,Shadow,Togg,Kadagar Fant,Olar Ethil)

7 votes to lynch. 7 votes to go night.

2 votes Togg (Korlat, Merrid)

1 vote Merrid (Togg)

1 vote Olar Ethil (Kessobahn)

Players not voted: (Denul,Fanderay,Aparal Forge, Emurlahn,Telas,Shadow,Kadagar Fant,Olar Ethil)


- Colt

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 01 July 2016 - 07:53 AM