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Posted 06 May 2016 - 02:12 PM

View PostTapper, on 06 May 2016 - 02:11 PM, said:

View PostDhenrabi, on 06 May 2016 - 01:21 PM, said:

View PostTapper, on 06 May 2016 - 01:07 PM, said:

View PostDhenrabi, on 06 May 2016 - 12:59 PM, said:

I strongly dislike Tapper's initial vote this phase. It looks a bit like he's hoping that I'll hop on quickly after him, ending the game in his favor. A little too planned with hardly any consideration of me as scum.

Khell to banish your last possible suspicion of me I could have ended the game already if I were scum.

Right now I'm leaning towards Tapper as scum but I'm not going to make any hasty decisions. There is a lot of time left in the phase and I plan on making use of that to go back through everything.

For me, the fact that you'd decide was clear from the moment I figured you weren't around to submit kills, and the same principle is being followed by Khell's vote for me.

I have done my fair share of twisting and turning this game, and Khell can and probably will use that. So what can I say? I have been wrong - latest example is me VPI-ing Mac, which is now being dragged up.
In response to that, I would have to say that an SK plays as a solo, with the same information base as town has, and has as much to win by offing scum through a lynch as town does - and if I were to go one step further, Khellendros adding Wifom elements (speculation as why I would do that), could point that he is more interested in influencing your opinion than I am.

So, take your time, read the thread, make your decision. I have been playing bad enough to know that I might seem scummy. I have been dead wrong also in whom I accused as scum, unless you count my pursuit of Khell earlier on, because that was dead on.


However there's zero hesitation. If Khell is scum he at least had the grace to pretend he didn't know who would be the decider.

The pretension itself is false modesty. The tendency you describe for town to wait is there, sure. Scum also loves it, and because of the tendency, have to win by being second. So, having determined you're going to be the decider, should I enter a competition to be the last of Khell and me to vote so that I can seem like I care to be careful when I knew all along that there's going to be a 2-1 vote today and me being certain who is scum?
With all due respect, I don't want to sit and F5 all day - the weather here is beautiful and I have Fall of Light waiting for me outside and I know exactly where I stand with regards to Khell - the only thing I don't know is your mind.
Are you saying I should play games to make myself seem more towny? It is scum that plays games.

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Also there is to consider the fact that you had more to gain in keeping my alive, since you've rated higher on my town list for the last couple of phases. Though of course it could be argued that Khell as scum could hardly leave GH around.

Mac surely didn't kill himself, so Khell killed Mac and Mac killed GH.

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I also do not like the apologetic nature of your post. The "I've tried and failed" shtick is one I've more often observed with scum than town.

Pff, there's no denying I was wrong quite a bit, and people have been saying all the time I was scummy for it - sure, I could bullshit and deny and twist, but that would only make myself less believable.

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Since I am the decider right now I find it quite odd that you argue that scum would be more interested in influencing my decision than town. It's practically a 1v1 popularity contest right now and town has as much to gain from gaining my deciding vote as scum.


Bubba as healer figured Khell was scum based on mechanics - he was adamant Khell was never targeted by a kill and Khell was too eager to claim it CIed him. My case on Khell springs from there. My arguments for Khell being scum are out there, and Khell managed to weasel and refute them long enough to get here. What should I do, rehash them, all for the sake of convincing you? I'd rather you made up your own mind. If we lose because I didn't push that case enough and would rather sit and read, so be it. Anyway, my case didn't get to a lynch the day before last, it didn't get to a lynch last game day (partly because I suggested Andorion - and if you need some wifom-wooing: if I was scum, who do you think I'd rather go to an end-game with: hardly present Andorion or ever-present Khell?).

And with that, I am out for now.

Damned crosspost.
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Posted 06 May 2016 - 02:14 PM

View PostAndorion, on 06 May 2016 - 02:09 PM, said:

What the bloody hell!!!

You guys lynched me and left Khell alive. Shit shit shit I should have logged in and hammered yesterday.

Dammit

Yes you should have. I have been riding Khells for ages
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Posted 06 May 2016 - 02:14 PM

Noooooooooooooo :p

Okay 50:50 Chance. Could happen to everyone :p

Good game Khell
Good game Macros
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Posted 06 May 2016 - 02:15 PM

Goddammit Khell.
Godfuckingdamn.
Fuck.

GG though - and GG Dhenrabi - sorry I couldn't convince you. I knew I took a risk for posting and voting first.
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Posted 06 May 2016 - 02:15 PM

View PostKhellendros, on 06 May 2016 - 02:07 PM, said:

View PostMacros, on 06 May 2016 - 02:03 PM, said:

I am so disapoint



I'm not one for joint victories unless they're with my actual partner :p


On which point, well played Kitsu! Sorry you went out early, hope you play with us again!


Nice work khell, or should we start calling you The Eel?...
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Posted 06 May 2016 - 02:16 PM

View PostGust Hubb, on 06 May 2016 - 02:14 PM, said:

View PostAndorion, on 06 May 2016 - 02:09 PM, said:

What the bloody hell!!!

You guys lynched me and left Khell alive. Shit shit shit I should have logged in and hammered yesterday.

Dammit

Yes you should have. I have been riding Khells for ages

Yeah, but our reasoning for it really wasn't strong enough.
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Posted 06 May 2016 - 02:16 PM

View PostTapper, on 06 May 2016 - 02:16 PM, said:

View PostGust Hubb, on 06 May 2016 - 02:14 PM, said:

View PostAndorion, on 06 May 2016 - 02:09 PM, said:

What the bloody hell!!!

You guys lynched me and left Khell alive. Shit shit shit I should have logged in and hammered yesterday.

Dammit

Yes you should have. I have been riding Khells for ages

Yeah, but our reasoning for it really wasn't strong enough.

But Tatts was!!!
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Posted 06 May 2016 - 02:19 PM

View PostMessremb, on 26 April 2016 - 02:19 AM, said:

Woo game thread.

Vote Khellendros

Because Macros and Venge have a point...


We all should have followed Mess here.
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Posted 06 May 2016 - 02:19 PM

And Macros as SK. I knew he was too clean. Just had no evidence.

Also Tatts' thing about Mess and signaling was entirely correct. First time I have seen that
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Posted 06 May 2016 - 02:20 PM

New addition to Mafia 101: When in doubt Lynch Khell
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Posted 06 May 2016 - 02:22 PM

View PostTattersail_, on 06 May 2016 - 02:07 PM, said:

It is day 7.


Fucking no fucking time fucking remaining because that is a fucking lynch.

2 votes Tapper; Dhenrabi and Khell

Tapper has been lynched. He was RI.

SCUM WIN

Fucking fucking fucking congratulations to the scum team.

Mess the fucking Symp.
JustFuckingPlainFuckingKitsu scum
and motherfucking fuck head, fucking slimey bastard survive a fucking nuclear explosion fuck face Khellendros.


Don't forget The-Nearly-Absent-A-Demon-Llama symp. :p
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Posted 06 May 2016 - 02:25 PM

View PostAndorion, on 06 May 2016 - 02:19 PM, said:

And Macros as SK. I knew he was too clean. Just had no evidence.

Also Tatts' thing about Mess and signaling was entirely correct. First time I have seen that





Any M an P game, when you have a scum CF you should always look back at connections, always.

Scum CF, Kitsu 100% scum, no doubt.

Read that fucking post, read it. Read it again. Too Obvious?

View PostMessremb, on 26 April 2016 - 09:34 AM, said:


Note for JPK, Siergiej and Dhenrabi, genuine truth - if Khell is alive on Day 3 then he is scum

Another note: in un-alted mafia some old grudges occasionally get settled

Also, Day 1 votes can be extremely random. Example:

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View PostJust Plain Kitsu, on 26 April 2016 - 04:35 AM, said:

You know, if the voting system was actually for lynching - with the last candidate standing getting the position - I'll bet we'd have much larger voter turnout here. Besides that's the only way I can imagine voting Trump.


You'd consider voting Trump for anything? Clearly scummy

Vote JPK


Lynches have run off of far less than that.

So

Remove Vote




That isn't the only thing, but it is one thing. Then when you get a few RI CF's, ie more than just me, then you got to fucking suspect something.
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Posted 06 May 2016 - 02:25 PM

View PostColtaine93, on 06 May 2016 - 02:22 PM, said:

View PostTattersail_, on 06 May 2016 - 02:07 PM, said:

It is day 7.


Fucking no fucking time fucking remaining because that is a fucking lynch.

2 votes Tapper; Dhenrabi and Khell

Tapper has been lynched. He was RI.

SCUM WIN

Fucking fucking fucking congratulations to the scum team.

Mess the fucking Symp.
JustFuckingPlainFuckingKitsu scum
and motherfucking fuck head, fucking slimey bastard survive a fucking nuclear explosion fuck face Khellendros.


Don't forget The-Nearly-Absent-A-Demon-Llama symp. :p


ah yes. I forget about him.
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Posted 06 May 2016 - 02:32 PM

View PostGust Hubb, on 06 May 2016 - 02:16 PM, said:

View PostTapper, on 06 May 2016 - 02:16 PM, said:

View PostGust Hubb, on 06 May 2016 - 02:14 PM, said:

View PostAndorion, on 06 May 2016 - 02:09 PM, said:

What the bloody hell!!!

You guys lynched me and left Khell alive. Shit shit shit I should have logged in and hammered yesterday.

Dammit

Yes you should have. I have been riding Khells for ages

Yeah, but our reasoning for it really wasn't strong enough.

But Tatts was!!!

But Tatts made a dead symp case with no way of proving anything because of Mess' alignment.
My general fear of going with a symp-case is that if you go wrong, the maker of the case ought to be strung up next, domino-ing generally into two dead town CF-ed people. Worst case scenario, you might end up lynching a finder who signals someone he knows they're town. A symp case is fine once you have a scum CF to work from - but anywhere before that is all based on assumption. EDIT: And in this case, Mess was also dead already...

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Posted 06 May 2016 - 02:34 PM

View PostTapper, on 06 May 2016 - 02:32 PM, said:

View PostGust Hubb, on 06 May 2016 - 02:16 PM, said:

View PostTapper, on 06 May 2016 - 02:16 PM, said:

View PostGust Hubb, on 06 May 2016 - 02:14 PM, said:

View PostAndorion, on 06 May 2016 - 02:09 PM, said:

What the bloody hell!!!

You guys lynched me and left Khell alive. Shit shit shit I should have logged in and hammered yesterday.

Dammit

Yes you should have. I have been riding Khells for ages

Yeah, but our reasoning for it really wasn't strong enough.

But Tatts was!!!

But Tatts made a dead symp case with no way of proving anything because of Mess' alignment.
My general fear of going with a symp-case is that if you go wrong, the maker of the case ought to be strung up next, domino-ing generally into two dead town CF-ed people. Worst case scenario, you might end up lynching a finder who signals someone he knows they're town. A symp case is fine once you have a scum CF to work from - but anywhere before that is all based on assumption. EDIT: And in this case, Mess was also dead already...


wasn't the proof in Kitsu's CF?
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Posted 06 May 2016 - 02:34 PM

Well anyway, congratulations to Khell Kitsu and mess for a fantastic scum game. One of the best I have seen. Also to Gnaw for designing and running an excellent m&p with sauce.

Judging by this game, if we can keep the momentum going, malazan Mafia will continue to be fun. To all the new people, sign up again! There's lots more where that came from.

I will rep when back home. Currently on mobile.
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Posted 06 May 2016 - 02:36 PM

Ah tapps that actually was a great post, just 20 mins too late.
Fucking Khell.

Well played Khell, I have to hand it to you, going toe to toe with tapps was genius. And jumping on the bubba claim instantly.


Repeating the spoiler thread.

Definitely well played our new players, some very astute reasoning going on.
Sorry I had to kill so many of you :p
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Posted 06 May 2016 - 02:36 PM

View PostTattersail_, on 06 May 2016 - 02:34 PM, said:

View PostTapper, on 06 May 2016 - 02:32 PM, said:

View PostGust Hubb, on 06 May 2016 - 02:16 PM, said:

View PostTapper, on 06 May 2016 - 02:16 PM, said:

View PostGust Hubb, on 06 May 2016 - 02:14 PM, said:

View PostAndorion, on 06 May 2016 - 02:09 PM, said:

What the bloody hell!!!

You guys lynched me and left Khell alive. Shit shit shit I should have logged in and hammered yesterday.

Dammit

Yes you should have. I have been riding Khells for ages

Yeah, but our reasoning for it really wasn't strong enough.

But Tatts was!!!

But Tatts made a dead symp case with no way of proving anything because of Mess' alignment.
My general fear of going with a symp-case is that if you go wrong, the maker of the case ought to be strung up next, domino-ing generally into two dead town CF-ed people. Worst case scenario, you might end up lynching a finder who signals someone he knows they're town. A symp case is fine once you have a scum CF to work from - but anywhere before that is all based on assumption. EDIT: And in this case, Mess was also dead already...


wasn't the proof in Kitsu's CF?

I really don't think the case on Khell based on that message is as strong as it is against Kitsu.
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Posted 06 May 2016 - 02:37 PM

Im outa rep.

Also meant to say MoM is still ADL for those cringe worthy puns
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Posted 06 May 2016 - 02:38 PM

I've got to go out for some hours now, but have plenty of comments to make when I get back! :p

I'll just say, Mess, sorry for killing you. As scum, I almost never look for signalling or even consider what my symp might be up to. When I'm a symp, I never try to signal my masters, so I don't really look for it in others either. I killed you off because you would have been a dangerous townie at end game. Only after Tatts brought it up did I even consider who our symp might be and if t really might have been you.
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