[Khellendros]

I want you all, before lynching, to say who you think are the two scum. Or if you truly believe I'm one, who the other is. And give your reasoning.

[Khellendros]

I now think Dhenrabi, unless he is laying ultra low, is town.

Gust has been saying 'kill Khell' since day 1, extreme tunnell vision there.

Tapper harangued Tatts, then came out with a questionable theory involving Kitsu, Tatts, and Gust when I started receiving pressure, symped me a bit more, and then Bubba revealed and then Tapper turned on me.

Andorion has been around but hardly contributing, a far cry from their large early game activity.

Macros has also been around, contributing a bit more than Andorion, but generally telling us how he suspects mostly everyone.

[Khellendros]

That's not how you spell 'tunnell', is it? One L, right?

[Macros]

HO/Ando have been on my radar all game, but HO flipping town made me questoin my suspicion on Ando.

I now think its Khell, hes playing I told you so martyr as his last form of defense, after fighting tapps tooth and nail yesterday.

the second killer I'm thinking Ando/Dhenrabi now. gusty I've decided to trust and Tappers just been way to out there and vocal to be a killer imo

[Macros]

yeah I think tunnel is one L

[Khellendros]

Macros, on 05 May 2016 - 11:50 AM, said:

HO/Ando have been on my radar all game, but HO flipping town made me questoin my suspicion on Ando.

I now think its Khell, hes playing I told you so martyr as his last form of defense, after fighting tapps tooth and nail yesterday.

the second killer I'm thinking Ando/Dhenrabi now. gusty I've decided to trust and Tappers just been way to out there and vocal to be a killer imo

It's not martrydom if my death will mean town lose. I should have been lynched yesterday. I don't want to be lynched today.

[Khellendros]

Also I did tell you so.

[Tapper]

Is it possible we reach consensus on someone other than Khell? Because without Bubba's clarification if he was told a heal was consumed or not, the case lacks clarity.

I think Mac is VPI. Gusty, PI. Me, I am town. Neither Andorion nor Dhenrabi voted yesterday when Khell HAD to be lynched and only one vote was needed. That benefitted scum only - both if Khell is scum, and if he isn't.

And that is the only reason I don't vote him straight away.

[Macros]

Well if its not Khell then (by both of our logics) the 2 killers are dhenrabi and andorion.
I'll to scoot back to check my linked to Jitsu reasoning.

[Macros]

Dhenrabi, Gusty, Khell and Tapps

Andorion is the only one I didn't see as a potential pairing with Kitsu (this was day 3 iirc)
Of who I think now could he scum we have Dhenrabi and Khell.
Thus the logic would be one of those two as a pair up with kitsu and ando as a killer. (this is assuming a team and a solo killer, if its 2 teams well we're fucked its shootout at the ok corral and we're going to be collateral.

Would gnaw fire two new players together as a team if that's what the randomiser gave out or would he try and temper it with experience?

Ando as a solo killer, well that could be a goer too, was fairly active earlier in the game when he was still taking heat for the role speculation etc and has really quietened down in the later stages. RL or trying to coast under the radar?

Of the options to change I would probably be most likely to change to Ando, but Im really starting to like my thought process on Khell being with Kitsu

[Andorion]

Hi people. I just saw the no-lynch. Sorry. unforeseen sickness laid me out.

How the hell is HO RI? His game read nothing like that at all.

I think Dhenrabi maybe a killer. But looking at low posters has done us no favours.

I also think its a toss up between Macros and Khell. Either Mac is right and Khell is a killer, or Macros has been playing an awesome innocent game.

[Khellendros]

Tapper, on 05 May 2016 - 12:40 PM, said:

I think Mac is VPI.

Why?

Quote

Gusty, PI.

Why?


I'm genuinely asking for your reasoning, not trying to be annoying.

[Tapper]

Khellendros, on 05 May 2016 - 02:28 PM, said:

Tapper, on 05 May 2016 - 12:40 PM, said:

I think Mac is VPI.

Why?

Quote

Gusty, PI.

Why?


I'm genuinely asking for your reasoning, not trying to be annoying.

Mac's game has been what I see as a contributing town game.
Yes, he hasn't made many waves and has not been examined at all, but he consecutively has kept multiple scenario's open, was involved in most trains and is the only one genuinely upset at there being no lynches.
Essentially, he played like you did for most of the game. More importantly, he also was the only one to initially spot the targeting bit in Bubba's reveal, which no scum would do: it would either expose a (fellow) scum or potentially VPI you at a time when that was not opportune at all - see GH's obsession.

If Gust was scum (and he might still be) he chose a very odd obsession in you and then Bliss. Once again, no cases on him, except mine, and much of that rested on interplay between him and Tatts.
Tatts CFed RI, and if we have a three scum scenario then Tatts probably wasn't GH's symp. His constant out-of-the-gates vote-for-Khell cases were bad and I'd say tunnel-visioned, but would a scum play like that?
To go back, he also had a gut feeling about JPK - early distancing, maybe, but why pick a new guy for that?

Out of all of us, one feels like a good town and the other like tunnel visioned town, but both give me a town vibe.

[Andorion]

I just have this feeling that if we lose and see the game setup there will be a lot of facepalms around.

At this point we can either try to repeat the Khell lynch, or try something on Dhenrabi?

I am frankly undecided on Tapper. He has had some crazy theories but I have a lot of trouble believing scum would put themselves out there as much as that.

[Khellendros]

Tapper, on 05 May 2016 - 02:41 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 05 May 2016 - 02:28 PM, said:

Tapper, on 05 May 2016 - 12:40 PM, said:

I think Mac is VPI.

Why?

Quote

Gusty, PI.

Why?


I'm genuinely asking for your reasoning, not trying to be annoying.

Mac's game has been what I see as a contributing town game.
Yes, he hasn't made many waves and has not been examined at all, but he consecutively has kept multiple scenario's open, was involved in most trains and is the only one genuinely upset at there being no lynches.
Essentially, he played like you did for most of the game. More importantly, he also was the only one to initially spot the targeting bit in Bubba's reveal, which no scum would do: it would either expose a (fellow) scum or potentially VPI you at a time when that was not opportune at all - see GH's obsession.

If Gust was scum (and he might still be) he chose a very odd obsession in you and then Bliss. Once again, no cases on him, except mine, and much of that rested on interplay between him and Tatts.
Tatts CFed RI, and if we have a three scum scenario then Tatts probably wasn't GH's symp. His constant out-of-the-gates vote-for-Khell cases were bad and I'd say tunnel-visioned, but would a scum play like that?
To go back, he also had a gut feeling about JPK - early distancing, maybe, but why pick a new guy for that?

Out of all of us, one feels like a good town and the other like tunnel visioned town, but both give me a town vibe.

I *think* I mostly agree on Mac. It worries me that no one has looked at him at all - although Andorion is making noises in that direction, but I do generally agree with your assessment. What strengthens it for me is that Kitsu had a bit of an obsession with Macros (which I remember from when I looked at Kitsu's posts way back when).


As for Gust, I agree less with the assessment there. I've been accused of being scum before because I only focused on one or two players (not saying I agree with that reasoning, but some do subscribe to it), rather than looking at the group as a whole. And it's not distancing from JPK if he had no idea JPK was scum - we still don't know how the scum work - one or the other could always be a solo killer (this also I guess actually applies to Kitsu focusing on Mac, now that I think about it).

[Khellendros]

Andorion, on 05 May 2016 - 02:59 PM, said:

I just have this feeling that if we lose and see the game setup there will be a lot of facepalms around.

At this point we can either try to repeat the Khell lynch, or try something on Dhenrabi?

I am frankly undecided on Tapper. He has had some crazy theories but I have a lot of trouble believing scum would put themselves out there as much as that.

I personally doubt Dhenrabi is scum. We had two kills yesterday and he wasn't around for the entire day before that. So unless he's super lurking, which would be annoying, I don't any longer think they're scum, and that's pretty much the only person aside from myself that I'm fairly sure of.

[Andorion]

Khellendros, on 05 May 2016 - 03:07 PM, said:

Andorion, on 05 May 2016 - 02:59 PM, said:

I just have this feeling that if we lose and see the game setup there will be a lot of facepalms around.

At this point we can either try to repeat the Khell lynch, or try something on Dhenrabi?

I am frankly undecided on Tapper. He has had some crazy theories but I have a lot of trouble believing scum would put themselves out there as much as that.

I personally doubt Dhenrabi is scum. We had two kills yesterday and he wasn't around for the entire day before that. So unless he's super lurking, which would be annoying, I don't any longer think they're scum, and that's pretty much the only person aside from myself that I'm fairly sure of.

So Khell, if you think Mac, Dhenrabi and Gust are innocent, for you that just leaves me and Tapper.

I can assure you I am RI. You can obviously lynch me, but I will be RI, you will have wasted another lynch and the scum will win.

What are your current thoughts on Tapper?

[Khellendros]

Andorion, on 05 May 2016 - 03:45 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 05 May 2016 - 03:07 PM, said:

Andorion, on 05 May 2016 - 02:59 PM, said:

I just have this feeling that if we lose and see the game setup there will be a lot of facepalms around.

At this point we can either try to repeat the Khell lynch, or try something on Dhenrabi?

I am frankly undecided on Tapper. He has had some crazy theories but I have a lot of trouble believing scum would put themselves out there as much as that.

I personally doubt Dhenrabi is scum. We had two kills yesterday and he wasn't around for the entire day before that. So unless he's super lurking, which would be annoying, I don't any longer think they're scum, and that's pretty much the only person aside from myself that I'm fairly sure of.

So Khell, if you think Mac, Dhenrabi and Gust are innocent, for you that just leaves me and Tapper.

I can assure you I am RI. You can obviously lynch me, but I will be RI, you will have wasted another lynch and the scum will win.

What are your current thoughts on Tapper?

I certainly don't remember saying Mac and Gust were town. I said I agreed with some points Tapper made and disagree with others.

I have assured people for days that I am RI. How do you think that's worked out for me?

Tapper: It's a really tough one. I agree that the massive theorycrafting that he did earlier is not something I would expect scum to do. I also felt that, on the other hand, up until Bubba's reveal, he constantly seemed to pop up whenever discussion moved to me, and argued about other things. That made me feel suspicious at the time, and still does now. The ease with which he turned around to then aggressively go after me yesterday also had me wondering (and indeed, I voted for him).

However, I also recognise that I could be looking at Tapper with a fair amount of bias - he's attacked me and has generally in some form been linked to me throughout the game (I remember Gust commenting it), so I instinctively look at him negatively. So I think it's up to others to look at and assess him.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 6. 29 hours 10 minutes remaining


6 players alive: Andorion, Dhenrabi, Gust Hubb, Khellendros, Macros, Tapper

4 votes to lynch, 4 votes for Night.

2 votes Khell; Gust Hubb, Macros

Players not voted: Andorion, Dhenrabi, Gust Hubb, Khellendros, Macros, Tapper

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 05 May 2016 - 04:12 PM

[Andorion]

Khellendros, on 05 May 2016 - 03:58 PM, said:

Andorion, on 05 May 2016 - 03:45 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 05 May 2016 - 03:07 PM, said:

Andorion, on 05 May 2016 - 02:59 PM, said:

I just have this feeling that if we lose and see the game setup there will be a lot of facepalms around.

At this point we can either try to repeat the Khell lynch, or try something on Dhenrabi?

I am frankly undecided on Tapper. He has had some crazy theories but I have a lot of trouble believing scum would put themselves out there as much as that.

I personally doubt Dhenrabi is scum. We had two kills yesterday and he wasn't around for the entire day before that. So unless he's super lurking, which would be annoying, I don't any longer think they're scum, and that's pretty much the only person aside from myself that I'm fairly sure of.

So Khell, if you think Mac, Dhenrabi and Gust are innocent, for you that just leaves me and Tapper.

I can assure you I am RI. You can obviously lynch me, but I will be RI, you will have wasted another lynch and the scum will win.

What are your current thoughts on Tapper?

I certainly don't remember saying Mac and Gust were town. I said I agreed with some points Tapper made and disagree with others.

I have assured people for days that I am RI. How do you think that's worked out for me?

Tapper: It's a really tough one. I agree that the massive theorycrafting that he did earlier is not something I would expect scum to do. I also felt that, on the other hand, up until Bubba's reveal, he constantly seemed to pop up whenever discussion moved to me, and argued about other things. That made me feel suspicious at the time, and still does now. The ease with which he turned around to then aggressively go after me yesterday also had me wondering (and indeed, I voted for him).

However, I also recognise that I could be looking at Tapper with a fair amount of bias - he's attacked me and has generally in some form been linked to me throughout the game (I remember Gust commenting it), so I instinctively look at him negatively. So I think it's up to others to look at and assess him.

One of the big features of this game has been the triangle between you, Tatts and Tapper. There were huge discussions, crazy theories, many possibilities, and the weird thing is that very little has come of it. Now Tatts doesn't surprise me, that is Tatts usual play, but Tapper... I dunno I have never seen him play a lot but in my experience he does not post nearly as much as he has posted this game. I don't how this tallies with your longer experience. But a veteran player would know that low posters and low content medium posters would always get looked at more critically when town gets serious and is looking for a case, and might try to adopt a high posting, theorizing style which also generates just enough confusion as to deflect a lynch. And this has happened in this game. I can't remember the last time we had so many failed lynches.

BTW, all of the above may equally apply to you