[Tapper]

Khellendros, on 04 May 2016 - 07:29 AM, said:

Tapper, on 04 May 2016 - 06:04 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 04 May 2016 - 12:41 AM, said:

I'm not doubting your claim Bubba, but I'm afraid I have to pour cold water on your conclusions - or at least the ones regarding me. I am not scum.

There was only one kill on night 2, and you say you healed me that night, ergo...

Your other argument is that no one has tried to kill me so I must be scum. Well, aside from the fact that to me it looks like someone did target me night 2, I would say even without that, why would they? I have been consistently talked about and thus keeping the spotlight off others the whole game - why not keep me around as a useful lynch target?

As for Tapper, I have for some time felt he's been fake-symping me, so that someone would come to the conclusion which you have done. Tapper has been pretty blatant about it, doing it even when I wasn't attracting votes. Does that strike you as typical Tapper play if he were actually symping me?

Maybe night 2 Bliss guarded correctly, hmmm? At that time, she would certainly NOT reveal given the fact the second kill night 1 could have been a vig.

You are way too eager to claim town through Wifom, here, Khell - and it is very, very scummy

vote Khell

I'm not sure what you think the WIFOM is here. I thought it very likely there would be a healer this game, so I wasn't surprised by such a reveal. There is nothing scummy in what I said, just simple reasoning - amd knowing I'm town.

If you guys want to go this way then fine, but at least do me the decency of giving your reasoning, and then looking back at that when I'm lynched.

And Vote Tapper

for fake symping me so blatantly so that everyone would consider him a symp rather than killer material.

You claim yuo were targeted with no way of knowing it. If you are targeted by a kill, you are by default not scum (considering the SK killed JPK). It is too convenient, because it would 100% CI you.

[Macros]

Agreed with Tapper somewhat. The only CIs in my book are the dead. Bubbas claim, Im inclined to believe rather than not as it explains the 2/1/2/1 kill pattern. (yes it could be some crazy alternating theory but Occam's razor would suggest not)
Whilst it does suggest that Khell was attacked an survived, khell could easily have been attacked, survived and also himself attacked kitsu, or someone else and been blocked*

*The latter is wild theoretics as surely bliss would have hammered at Khell.

I've been trying to work out who Bliss blocked on night 2 based on her voting and posting but nothings really jumping out at me. Aybe she wasn't sure of herself, or wanted to try again?

Im going for another scan through her day 2/day 3 here on my break.

Suffice to say at the minute I have crazy theories for several scenarios, Im just trying to winnow out the completely ludicrous and get to work on the only slightly mad ones

[Khellendros]

Tapper, on 04 May 2016 - 09:13 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 04 May 2016 - 07:29 AM, said:

Tapper, on 04 May 2016 - 06:04 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 04 May 2016 - 12:41 AM, said:

I'm not doubting your claim Bubba, but I'm afraid I have to pour cold water on your conclusions - or at least the ones regarding me. I am not scum.

There was only one kill on night 2, and you say you healed me that night, ergo...

Your other argument is that no one has tried to kill me so I must be scum. Well, aside from the fact that to me it looks like someone did target me night 2, I would say even without that, why would they? I have been consistently talked about and thus keeping the spotlight off others the whole game - why not keep me around as a useful lynch target?

As for Tapper, I have for some time felt he's been fake-symping me, so that someone would come to the conclusion which you have done. Tapper has been pretty blatant about it, doing it even when I wasn't attracting votes. Does that strike you as typical Tapper play if he were actually symping me?

Maybe night 2 Bliss guarded correctly, hmmm? At that time, she would certainly NOT reveal given the fact the second kill night 1 could have been a vig.

You are way too eager to claim town through Wifom, here, Khell - and it is very, very scummy

vote Khell

I'm not sure what you think the WIFOM is here. I thought it very likely there would be a healer this game, so I wasn't surprised by such a reveal. There is nothing scummy in what I said, just simple reasoning - amd knowing I'm town.

If you guys want to go this way then fine, but at least do me the decency of giving your reasoning, and then looking back at that when I'm lynched.

And Vote Tapper

for fake symping me so blatantly so that everyone would consider him a symp rather than killer material.

You claim yuo were targeted with no way of knowing it. If you are targeted by a kill, you are by default not scum (considering the SK killed JPK). It is too convenient, because it would 100% CI you.

It is too convenient or it is the simple truth? Much more easily believable than oh Mess is a symp and here is all the communication the two have had in coded language.

I don't claim I was targetted. Bubba claims I was targetted.

Neither does that make me default not scum (though I am not) Are we not of the opinion that we started with three scum?

And what do you mean the SK killed JPK? How do you KNOW exactly who killed him? How do you know that JPK wasn't a solo killer?

[Macros]

Lady Bliss, on 29 April 2016 - 12:32 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 29 April 2016 - 09:47 AM, said:

Andorion, on 29 April 2016 - 09:35 AM, said:

Tapper, on 29 April 2016 - 07:42 AM, said:

Coltaine93, on 29 April 2016 - 07:31 AM, said:

Tapper, on 29 April 2016 - 07:12 AM, said:

Bubba, on 29 April 2016 - 06:21 AM, said:

Did we have two killers who didn't know each other?

Perhaps two teams who also have to eliminate one another - or indeed two killers who didn't know each other, and a symp who knew both.

So four killers? They don't have a symp in that case, have they? 6 people scum would be a bit much. But maybe possible if they really have to eliminate one another. And the kill of the second team got cancelled by a healer in that case.

With just two independent two killers and a symp, the game could be balanced. Scum to town ratio would be wrong, of course, but this could be offset by having two kills a night. In town's advantage is the risk of a cross-fire.

My first thought to explain the 2 NKs on night 1 was a vig who got so excited they blew their load straight away (worst moment to do so in terms of odds).

But I am not sure about that now. There's only one kill and the result is scum (and one that wasn't getting scrutiny at all). Two teams of one killer each who have to eliminate one another might be it. I don;t think it is two teams of two - because then, why wasn't the second kill processed? Maybe resolution was through the principle of when a guard guards a guard, the guarded guard is guarded, killing the second killer before they could kill. Maybe we have an independent serial killer - but then, I'd expect still paired killers, so scum still should kill. It is a bit of a puzzle, tbh.

Two independent killers and a symp does not confirm the "Non-standard" role mentioned in the OP.


Also Tapper really blew up at Tatts here.

I'll add this to his mechanic talk, 2 independent scum killers that didn't know each other with a symp who knew each of them and a town vig (which is a non standard role)

Scum alternate their kills as we have seen that before.

Kitsu night one targeted Siergiej
Town Vig targeted Messremb

Night two is a puzzle because if Khell picked up on the signal then why would he have killed Kitsu?

Maybe he either did not pick up on it, or he took one of the other people in the message as his partner?

It won't be the first time Khell screws up his own faction, he's done it multiple times including last game when he lynched his team mate.

Not sure, I'd like to hear more from others about this.

Back and reading up... Why are we assuming there was a town vig? Maybe just 2 independent killers?

Day 2. Bliss quietly trying to push us away from the vig idea, onto 2 independent killers. Anyone fancy a wager she targeted Kitsu night 2 for the guard. He was pushing at her on day 2 as well, maybe she picked up something, or saw whatever it was Gustt saw to 'bet his right nut' that kitus was scum.
Out of curiosity Gusty, you're willing to be one of the lads Kitsu is scum, why weren't you hounding him like a...thing that hounds all day 1 and day 2?

[Gust Hubb]

Macros, on 04 May 2016 - 10:20 AM, said:

Lady Bliss, on 29 April 2016 - 12:32 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 29 April 2016 - 09:47 AM, said:

Andorion, on 29 April 2016 - 09:35 AM, said:

Tapper, on 29 April 2016 - 07:42 AM, said:

Coltaine93, on 29 April 2016 - 07:31 AM, said:

Tapper, on 29 April 2016 - 07:12 AM, said:

Bubba, on 29 April 2016 - 06:21 AM, said:

Did we have two killers who didn't know each other?

Perhaps two teams who also have to eliminate one another - or indeed two killers who didn't know each other, and a symp who knew both.

So four killers? They don't have a symp in that case, have they? 6 people scum would be a bit much. But maybe possible if they really have to eliminate one another. And the kill of the second team got cancelled by a healer in that case.

With just two independent two killers and a symp, the game could be balanced. Scum to town ratio would be wrong, of course, but this could be offset by having two kills a night. In town's advantage is the risk of a cross-fire.

My first thought to explain the 2 NKs on night 1 was a vig who got so excited they blew their load straight away (worst moment to do so in terms of odds).

But I am not sure about that now. There's only one kill and the result is scum (and one that wasn't getting scrutiny at all). Two teams of one killer each who have to eliminate one another might be it. I don;t think it is two teams of two - because then, why wasn't the second kill processed? Maybe resolution was through the principle of when a guard guards a guard, the guarded guard is guarded, killing the second killer before they could kill. Maybe we have an independent serial killer - but then, I'd expect still paired killers, so scum still should kill. It is a bit of a puzzle, tbh.

Two independent killers and a symp does not confirm the "Non-standard" role mentioned in the OP.


Also Tapper really blew up at Tatts here.

I'll add this to his mechanic talk, 2 independent scum killers that didn't know each other with a symp who knew each of them and a town vig (which is a non standard role)

Scum alternate their kills as we have seen that before.

Kitsu night one targeted Siergiej
Town Vig targeted Messremb

Night two is a puzzle because if Khell picked up on the signal then why would he have killed Kitsu?

Maybe he either did not pick up on it, or he took one of the other people in the message as his partner?

It won't be the first time Khell screws up his own faction, he's done it multiple times including last game when he lynched his team mate.

Not sure, I'd like to hear more from others about this.

Back and reading up... Why are we assuming there was a town vig? Maybe just 2 independent killers?

Day 2. Bliss quietly trying to push us away from the vig idea, onto 2 independent killers. Anyone fancy a wager she targeted Kitsu night 2 for the guard. He was pushing at her on day 2 as well, maybe she picked up something, or saw whatever it was Gustt saw to 'bet his right nut' that kitus was scum.
Out of curiosity Gusty, you're willing to be one of the lads Kitsu is scum, why weren't you hounding him like a...thing that hounds all day 1 and day 2?

In a way I was. I was rereading the thread over and over, trying to find supporting evidence on several theories. Truth be told, I was beginning to doubt my own pick ups, but then one of you lot killed kitsu, and at that point I knew I still had it.

I am uncanny sometimes at finding roles. Bliss was one of the people I harassed, and I was right, she was acting differently due to a role. Same with Bubba.

So while I may not have time for a good solid case on you Khells (you'd slip out of it anyway) I do have the impression you are hiding something.

[Macros]

Lady Bliss, on 02 May 2016 - 08:34 PM, said:

Ok I'm back on the ground, but I will be in meetings plus drinking with colleagues the next few days. Aside from Tatts claiming someone "soft revealed" a vig, I think we have to believe there are multiple killers. Since neither the Gust train or Blend train picked up speed, I think it's possible that one or both had resistance.

Here day 4 dawn, after the second double kill. I do think Bliss knew or had an inkling from night 2 on what we were facing here.
Her subsequent vote on Blend was (imo) to get the ball rolling after we failed to lynch twice in a row and when it took off quickly she did remove her vote for a while. She lists both the Gust and Blend train, I can only speculate that she picked the Blend train because either she believed in it more, or saw it would get more traction due to a bigger interest day 3.

There has been talk of resistance on several trains now, if we are assuming a kill team and sk, or 2 kill teams, resistance shouldn't (mathematically) add up to more than one player (a symp or partner) so I think it would be pretty hard to track/ spot.
Gusty has had quite a bit of suspicion thrown at him, but if that's the angle Im going to chase Andorion has dodged quite a lot from the Day 1 fall out.

Tapper has been all over the place with crazy theories, but if he's a symp I cant figure out who he is protecting so I'll let that dog lie for now.

For today, as of now at this juncture Id be most likely to vote HO or Andorion. Both have dropped drive bys, both have been somewhere on my radar for a few days, not always top of the pile, but constantly. A few posts here and there that struck the wrong chord. There was one in particular from HO I must see If I can dig out quickly

[Tapper]

Khellendros, on 04 May 2016 - 10:12 AM, said:

Tapper, on 04 May 2016 - 09:13 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 04 May 2016 - 07:29 AM, said:

Tapper, on 04 May 2016 - 06:04 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 04 May 2016 - 12:41 AM, said:

I'm not doubting your claim Bubba, but I'm afraid I have to pour cold water on your conclusions - or at least the ones regarding me. I am not scum.

There was only one kill on night 2, and you say you healed me that night, ergo...

Your other argument is that no one has tried to kill me so I must be scum. Well, aside from the fact that to me it looks like someone did target me night 2, I would say even without that, why would they? I have been consistently talked about and thus keeping the spotlight off others the whole game - why not keep me around as a useful lynch target?

As for Tapper, I have for some time felt he's been fake-symping me, so that someone would come to the conclusion which you have done. Tapper has been pretty blatant about it, doing it even when I wasn't attracting votes. Does that strike you as typical Tapper play if he were actually symping me?

Maybe night 2 Bliss guarded correctly, hmmm? At that time, she would certainly NOT reveal given the fact the second kill night 1 could have been a vig.

You are way too eager to claim town through Wifom, here, Khell - and it is very, very scummy

vote Khell

I'm not sure what you think the WIFOM is here. I thought it very likely there would be a healer this game, so I wasn't surprised by such a reveal. There is nothing scummy in what I said, just simple reasoning - amd knowing I'm town.

If you guys want to go this way then fine, but at least do me the decency of giving your reasoning, and then looking back at that when I'm lynched.

And Vote Tapper

for fake symping me so blatantly so that everyone would consider him a symp rather than killer material.

You claim yuo were targeted with no way of knowing it. If you are targeted by a kill, you are by default not scum (considering the SK killed JPK). It is too convenient, because it would 100% CI you.

It is too convenient or it is the simple truth? Much more easily believable than oh Mess is a symp and here is all the communication the two have had in coded language.

I don't claim I was targetted. Bubba claims I was targetted.

Neither does that make me default not scum (though I am not) Are we not of the opinion that we started with three scum?

And what do you mean the SK killed JPK? How do you KNOW exactly who killed him? How do you know that JPK wasn't a solo killer?

No, Bubba doesn't claim that. Bubba claims he is the healer and he actually makes a case on you.
How desperate are you right now, Khell?

Maybe we should your post next to Bubba's to show how much you're flailing right now?
Here's what Bubba wrote.

Bubba, on 03 May 2016 - 11:30 PM, said:

I feel with how town is doing right now that I need to reveal.

I'm the Healer. I can now say with some certainty that there is one scum team and a SK. They both went for LB last night. I know this because I healed her last night. The only way she could die is because there were two kill actions against her. I could only block one That tells me they are separate scums with no contact. My money is on Kell being the remaining killer and Dhen being the SK. My case is based on the fact that I healed Kell night one and night two and no one took a shot at him either night. out of four kill orders no one tried to kill Kell..He is way to high on to many lists and way to good of a player to not have been targeted.

My case for Dhen is ...Who else is going to target a new guy? You all are a bunch of cruel ass mofos... but night killing a new guy? I think that takes a new guy to do. I think the reason Dhem hasn't taken a shot at Kell is because He hasn't played here before and doesn't realize how dangerous Kell is as a player.

I still think Tapper is Kells symp.... way to good of a player to throw out bullshit like did.

I figure this is the best time to throw this out because with a possible three more deaths today, my chances of being alive on day six were low and I wanted town to know what I do at this point.

..and an apology.... This the first game in a long time where there was great amounts of content.......and I was forced by RI to low post. I did need a Mod Kill but didn't want to screw over my team.

So, to review: Bubba claims he targeted you with a heal on night 1 and night 2. On neither night were you targeted. The night Bliss died, she was targeted twice and Bubba had a heal on her.
He never claims that you were targeted with a kill that he then prevented with his heal, but that is what you claim he said, see the size 7 highlight.

So, you are twisting stuff here, on a pretty important subject, as long as we believe Bubba's claim - and your first reply states you do.
If Bubba is the healer, then his ability doesn't work like a scum find the way a successful guard could on a singular killer, but he can explain the how/why of the night kills we had, and you do not contest his explanation.

[Macros]

Just for the record, Im not going to do a full thread reread on my phone, is the case on Khell basically, he's still alive therefore scum, or because he's fighting hard against pressure on him? (genuinely curious as IMO there has been significantly.more pressure on others and Khell could be over reacting, which could be telling)

[Khellendros]

No, Tappper.

I was not talking about being targetted by a kill.

I meant Bubba claims I was targetted by him with a heal. I thought that was what you were talking about also. Clearly we either have some miscommunication going on or you're choosing to read what you want.

[Khellendros]

Macros, on 04 May 2016 - 10:50 AM, said:

Just for the record, Im not going to do a full thread reread on my phone, is the case on Khell basically, he's still alive therefore scum, or because he's fighting hard against pressure on him? (genuinely curious as IMO there has been significantly.more pressure on others and Khell could be over reacting, which could be telling)

Let me dig up a post of Blend's on this which I found during my reread yesterday.

[Khellendros]

Blend, on 26 April 2016 - 07:04 PM, said:

It is the townie's lot to die in order to try to find the killers. If you're a townie, you shouldn't be afraid to be lynched - though you should definitely fight tooth and nail to get people to lynch someone else or to throw ensure your suspicions, at least, are on thread. That way once we know that you were a townie, we can take a closer look at YOUR suspicions for any validity, and look at how others reacted to your lynch.

Basically, I subscribe to this. If that seem like being over-defensive to you, then so be it. But I will never not call out rubbish. I recognise that I've taken up a lot of thread focus and so maybe it's time for me to go so that town can move on. But that doesn't mean I have to be happy about it.

[Macros]

Cross posting galore.
Tappers latest post does make for compelling reading. I was taking too much from the bubba Claimed heal on night 2 for granted, coupled with it being day 5 and Khell is still alive, I think I'll put him on my list, along side HO joint at the top, ando trailing in second.
It boils down to night actions WIFOM, but if we disregard the crazy evil genius theory on Gust Hubb nailing Kitsu on purpose, he is more often than not (in my experience) on the money and he's been chasing Khell for a few days now.

[Tapper]

Khellendros, on 04 May 2016 - 10:12 AM, said:

Tapper, on 04 May 2016 - 09:13 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 04 May 2016 - 07:29 AM, said:

Tapper, on 04 May 2016 - 06:04 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 04 May 2016 - 12:41 AM, said:

I'm not doubting your claim Bubba, but I'm afraid I have to pour cold water on your conclusions - or at least the ones regarding me. I am not scum.

There was only one kill on night 2, and you say you healed me that night, ergo...

Your other argument is that no one has tried to kill me so I must be scum. Well, aside from the fact that to me it looks like someone did target me night 2, I would say even without that, why would they? I have been consistently talked about and thus keeping the spotlight off others the whole game - why not keep me around as a useful lynch target?

As for Tapper, I have for some time felt he's been fake-symping me, so that someone would come to the conclusion which you have done. Tapper has been pretty blatant about it, doing it even when I wasn't attracting votes. Does that strike you as typical Tapper play if he were actually symping me?

Maybe night 2 Bliss guarded correctly, hmmm? At that time, she would certainly NOT reveal given the fact the second kill night 1 could have been a vig.

You are way too eager to claim town through Wifom, here, Khell - and it is very, very scummy

vote Khell

I'm not sure what you think the WIFOM is here. I thought it very likely there would be a healer this game, so I wasn't surprised by such a reveal. There is nothing scummy in what I said, just simple reasoning - amd knowing I'm town.

If you guys want to go this way then fine, but at least do me the decency of giving your reasoning, and then looking back at that when I'm lynched.

And Vote Tapper

for fake symping me so blatantly so that everyone would consider him a symp rather than killer material.

You claim yuo were targeted with no way of knowing it. If you are targeted by a kill, you are by default not scum (considering the SK killed JPK). It is too convenient, because it would 100% CI you.

It is too convenient or it is the simple truth? Much more easily believable than oh Mess is a symp and here is all the communication the two have had in coded language.

One, I never claimed that. That was Tatts and Gust and I rode either pretty hard for that.

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I don't claim I was targetted. Bubba claims I was targetted.

I just showed he never made that claim.

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Neither does that make me default not scum (though I am not) Are we not of the opinion that we started with three scum?

If we did, the below wouldn't happen, and there wouldn't be two kills last night, would there?

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And what do you mean the SK killed JPK? How do you KNOW exactly who killed him? How do you know that JPK wasn't a solo killer?

as for JPK being a solo killer, how come there's still two kills at night after he died?

[Tapper]

Khellendros, on 04 May 2016 - 10:51 AM, said:

No, Tappper.

I was not talking about being targetted by a kill.

I meant Bubba claims I was targetted by him with a heal. I thought that was what you were talking about also. Clearly we either have some miscommunication going on or you're choosing to read what you want.

You weren't? Then what's this? Two lines in a row where you do try to get that across, in direct reply to Bubba.
Please explain how you never claimed you weren't targeted with a kill?

Khellendros, on 04 May 2016 - 12:41 AM, said:

I'm not doubting your claim Bubba, but I'm afraid I have to pour cold water on your conclusions - or at least the ones regarding me. I am not scum.

There was only one kill on night 2, and you say you healed me that night, ergo...

Your other argument is that no one has tried to kill me so I must be scum. Well, aside from the fact that to me it looks like someone did target me night 2, I would say even without that, why would they? I have been consistently talked about and thus keeping the spotlight off others the whole game - why not keep me around as a useful lynch target?

As for Tapper, I have for some time felt he's been fake-symping me, so that someone would come to the conclusion which you have done. Tapper has been pretty blatant about it, doing it even when I wasn't attracting votes. Does that strike you as typical Tapper play if he were actually symping me?

[Khellendros]

Tapper, on 04 May 2016 - 10:56 AM, said:

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I don't claim I was targetted. Bubba claims I was targetted.

I just showed he never made that claim.

I just showed we're talking about two different things.

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Neither does that make me default not scum (though I am not) Are we not of the opinion that we started with three scum?

If we did, the below wouldn't happen, and there wouldn't be two kills last night, would there?

There is absolutely no way there are only two independent killers on one side, and a guard AND a healer on the other. Gnaw has modded plenty before. That is clearly not the setup.

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And what do you mean the SK killed JPK? How do you KNOW exactly who killed him? How do you know that JPK wasn't a solo killer?

as for JPK being a solo killer, how come there's still two kills at night after he died?

I don't know, but after the game continues following my lynch, you (well, not you, but remaining town) are going to have to figure that one out themselves.

[Macros]

Yeah

vote Khell

Tapper has been somewhat crazy this game but this is looking considerably more solid to me now

[Khellendros]

Once again: We were talking about two different things. When you said:

Tapper, on 04 May 2016 - 09:13 AM, said:

You claim yuo were targeted with no way of knowing it. If you are targeted by a kill, you are by default not scum (considering the SK killed JPK). It is too convenient, because it would 100% CI you.

I took that as two separate 'targeteds' you were talking about. I thought you meant I was claiming Bubba had targetted me, when obviously he had said so, and I thought I was correcting you. Clearly I misread you.

Obviously I have theorised that I was targetted with a kill on night 2. It is what makes the most sense to me. Why would I bother denying something which is clearly on thread?

No, I cannot prove it. But my CF can go some way to it if that makes everyone happy.

[Khellendros]

Oh dear, I think you've missed your window for a taken out of context retort. Don't worry, I'm sure Gust will be around soon to have a go himself.

[Tapper]

Khellendros, on 04 May 2016 - 11:07 AM, said:

Once again: We were talking about two different things. When you said:

Tapper, on 04 May 2016 - 09:13 AM, said:

You claim yuo were targeted with no way of knowing it. If you are targeted by a kill, you are by default not scum (considering the SK killed JPK). It is too convenient, because it would 100% CI you.

I took that as two separate 'targeteds' you were talking about. I thought you meant I was claiming Bubba had targetted me, when obviously he had said so, and I thought I was correcting you. Clearly I misread you.

Obviously I have theorised that I was targetted with a kill on night 2. It is what makes the most sense to me. Why would I bother denying something which is clearly on thread?

No, I cannot prove it. But my CF can go some way to it if that makes everyone happy.

The underlined is pretty clear it meant a kill, because Bubba revealed he did target you night 1 and 2 just before that. If you're town, you really didn't read it very well and subsequently made it much, much worse - especially since you have been claiming a hit on yourself and never ever accounting for Bliss perhaps guarding another kill, because Bubba explicitly states you weren't targeted (which I guess implies he knows when someone he heals is targeted with a kill. Mac already asks him, we will have to wait for a while for an answer, I fear, but Bubba's exact words were:

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My case is based on the fact that I healed Kell night one and night two and no one took a shot at him either night. out of four kill orders no one tried to kill Kell..He is way to high on to many lists and way to good of a player to not have been targeted.

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Three times in two sentences sounds very sure - and that's with no kill on night 2 when he was healing you, yet he denies you were targeted then. If you are town and he wasn't told if his heal protected, then you are potentially screwed over by his certainty, because he should have made it explicitly clear. However, as things stand, Bubba's post leaves little to doubt and your immediate reaction of multiple misreads are very much unlike you.

[Khellendros]

Clearly it didn't clearly mean it to me

So wait for Bubba then. Or don't. It would be odd to me for a healer to be told if he had successfully fended off a kill, but maybe that is what he is saying.

I didn't account for Bliss because Gnaw revealed that only after I had already posted my theory about what's happened based on the information I had at that time. I'm not psychic. I could not have known there was a guard also.

Now that we do know there was a guard, yes, a kill could also have been guarded. But why did Bliss not reveal that then, if we're of the opinion that in this game town roles get told if they successfully foil kills?

And let's then say, in theory, Bliss did guard a kill. What's to say that kill wasn't targetted at me the same night Bubba healed me?