[HiddenOne]

This game felt so good at first, but somewhere it turned the corner and went to Uglytown.

I have suspected each one of you, multiple times, during the course of this session.


I thought at first that the extra kill was a vig, now it looks like we have 2 killers on the move.

[Andorion]

Regarding kills and roles, is it possible that kill powers for scum come with a conditional?Scum can have 2 kills in one night but they can't have any the next? This would explain the two kills on night one, and the scum kill on night 2 when the vig/SK struck.

[Khellendros]

Gust, I cannot believe that you would play so bad as to rehash Tatts' case, only with even more outrageous misinterpretation. Do I need to do with you the same thing I did with Tatts, when I took a bunch of his words and showed how they could be connected to anyone to look like communication with a symp?

[Khellendros]

Andorion, on 03 May 2016 - 12:30 PM, said:

Regarding kills and roles, is it possible that kill powers for scum come with a conditional?Scum can have 2 kills in one night but they can't have any the next? This would explain the two kills on night one, and the scum kill on night 2 when the vig/SK struck.

It's possible, but an odd mechanic. Gnaw mentioned an odd role, but I don't think he mentioned anything about mechanics.

[Tapper]

Gust Hubb, on 03 May 2016 - 12:17 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 26 April 2016 - 10:54 PM, said:

Blend, on 26 April 2016 - 09:33 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 26 April 2016 - 09:32 PM, said:

Finally done and ready to engage for realsies! Let me read up the impressive number of pages and then state some super important and relevant things which surely no one has already mentioned...ish.

vote Khell

Seems pretty obvious to me, he's already setting us up to expect him to just rehash what everyone else is saying.

Au contraire!


Okay, so I pointed out the Andorion listing of town roles and said "EEEENTERESTING!" for a deliberate purpose. Not because I actually thought there was something in it - it's a silly thing to do and I think Andorion's probably played enough to be careful enough not to post something like that as scum - thoug I reserve the right to be wrong!

But rather I did it to see if anyone would jump on. And there go Tatts, Nom, JPK, and...someone else...HO! As I said, I don't thing it makes Ando particulalry scummy seeming in my view, so I was interested by these reactions, and the reversals by some when it seemed the Ando votes might not gain as much traction as it looked like they could.

Of those, I don't particularly agree that Tatts is playing quite differently to normal as some have mentioned. Yes, he's prone to switch wildly, and has he not just done that by fairly inexplicably switching from Ando to Blend? So far that doesn't make him scum, that just makes him Tatts

On the other hand, HO has been more active than normal (yes, really) and that piques my interest. JPK reads like he's coasting, though also may be a newbie testing the waters - have they played before. Nom jumping on straight after Tatts was very eyebrow raising to me, as if trying to show they're active and contributing participants, almost over eager. Also notable as is the recent backing down and reversing from that position ('oh gee, I may have made a mistake').

I'm going to go there for now.

Vote Itwas Nom

No vote for ando (thanks mess, message received) redirection to nom and possibly acknowledgement of kitsu (now that we have another killer, kitsu's death need not be at Khells hand) with a dismissal of kitsu's rapid vote

Urgh. I know few people like theorycraft like I do, but this does not make sense.
Basically... after recognizing and acknowledging his symp, Khell then kills him at night?
Or is Khell on a different team than Messremb and/or JPK, thus making him the SK?

[Tapper]

Andorion, on 03 May 2016 - 12:30 PM, said:

Regarding kills and roles, is it possible that kill powers for scum come with a conditional?Scum can have 2 kills in one night but they can't have any the next? This would explain the two kills on night one, and the scum kill on night 2 when the vig/SK struck.

For a moment, I figured it might be there's a second kill when we don't lynch - but on day 1 we actually managed one.

Imho, the likeliest option is that scum has to choose who performs a kill. If that person is guarded/killed, their action does not go through - this would explain why there was only 1 death the night JPK died.

[Tapper]

HiddenOne, on 03 May 2016 - 12:18 PM, said:

This game felt so good at first, but somewhere it turned the corner and went to Uglytown.

I have suspected each one of you, multiple times, during the course of this session.


I thought at first that the extra kill was a vig, now it looks like we have 2 killers on the move.

I like that we have case-making and lots of laying blame. On the other hand, I dislike that we don't lynch. The combination makes this a symp's heaven, I guess: lots of blame to spread, but a slowly shrinking suspect pool. I guess we're hoarding too many votes.

Although I don't see much in the case against him, and would much rather vote Gust, I will vote Blend. It will give some sort of clarity with finality on his somewhat solitary play.

Vote Blend

[Tapper]

Tapper, on 03 May 2016 - 12:56 PM, said:

Gust Hubb, on 03 May 2016 - 12:17 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 26 April 2016 - 10:54 PM, said:

Blend, on 26 April 2016 - 09:33 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 26 April 2016 - 09:32 PM, said:

Finally done and ready to engage for realsies! Let me read up the impressive number of pages and then state some super important and relevant things which surely no one has already mentioned...ish.

vote Khell

Seems pretty obvious to me, he's already setting us up to expect him to just rehash what everyone else is saying.

Au contraire!


Okay, so I pointed out the Andorion listing of town roles and said "EEEENTERESTING!" for a deliberate purpose. Not because I actually thought there was something in it - it's a silly thing to do and I think Andorion's probably played enough to be careful enough not to post something like that as scum - thoug I reserve the right to be wrong!

But rather I did it to see if anyone would jump on. And there go Tatts, Nom, JPK, and...someone else...HO! As I said, I don't thing it makes Ando particulalry scummy seeming in my view, so I was interested by these reactions, and the reversals by some when it seemed the Ando votes might not gain as much traction as it looked like they could.

Of those, I don't particularly agree that Tatts is playing quite differently to normal as some have mentioned. Yes, he's prone to switch wildly, and has he not just done that by fairly inexplicably switching from Ando to Blend? So far that doesn't make him scum, that just makes him Tatts

On the other hand, HO has been more active than normal (yes, really) and that piques my interest. JPK reads like he's coasting, though also may be a newbie testing the waters - have they played before. Nom jumping on straight after Tatts was very eyebrow raising to me, as if trying to show they're active and contributing participants, almost over eager. Also notable as is the recent backing down and reversing from that position ('oh gee, I may have made a mistake').

I'm going to go there for now.

Vote Itwas Nom

No vote for ando (thanks mess, message received) redirection to nom and possibly acknowledgement of kitsu (now that we have another killer, kitsu's death need not be at Khells hand) with a dismissal of kitsu's rapid vote

Urgh. I know few people like theorycraft like I do, but this does not make sense.
Basically... after recognizing and acknowledging his symp, Khell then kills him at night?
Or is Khell on a different team than Messremb and/or JPK, thus making him the SK?

Apologies. You did adress this. The issue remains: how do you see the set-up, if there's two kills at night except for when Kitsu dies, and you see a dead symp?

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 4. 12 hours and 46 minutes remaining


10 players alive: Andorion, Blend, Bubba, Dhenrabi, Gust Hubb, HiddenOne, Khellendros, Lady Bliss, Macros, Tapper

6 votes to lynch, 5 votes for Night.

5 votes for Blend: Lady Bliss, Andorian, Bubba, Dhenrabi, Tapper
1 vote for Khellendros: Gust Hubb



Players not voted: Blend, HiddenOne, Khellendros, Macros

-Mess

[Khellendros]

I did not realise the Blend train had built up so much. Although I suppose we are two-thirds of the way through the day. Still, I'm going to have a look at everyone's reasoning for voting for Blend.

[Macros]

Was just about to log on and ask.how long was left.

Aren't we going to let Blend come in and say something?? That train has pushed to L-1 entirely too easily for my liking.

Doesn't mean Im not suspicious of Blend, I most certainly am, but HOs drive by (fairly sure it was him, and subsequent removal) and dhenrabis 'pressure vote' warrant a look later when Im home. Not to mention Tappers almost lackadaisical vote on blend to make him L-1

[Macros]

Andorion, on 03 May 2016 - 12:55 AM, said:

Blend?

I was thinking of Khell, but ok.

Vote Blend

Apologies Hidden One, the drive by was Andorion. This very easily reads like, whatever, lets just get a lynch, with Blend being the most likely viable easy train about.

[Macros]

New ranking order for would vote, just about to jump in van for drive home.
Blend/ Andorion, followed by HO then after that well it'd just be spin the bottle blind guessing, haven't got overly bad feelings on the rest at the minute. A few niggles in my head on every player but nothing making me think, aha! That looks scummy!

[Lady Bliss]

remove vote
This speed lynch doesn't seem right. Let's wait on Blend.

[Lady Bliss]

Macros, on 03 May 2016 - 03:12 PM, said:

Andorion, on 03 May 2016 - 12:55 AM, said:

Blend?

I was thinking of Khell, but ok.

Vote Blend

Apologies Hidden One, the drive by was Andorion. This very easily reads like, whatever, lets just get a lynch, with Blend being the most likely viable easy train about.

Agreed.

[Andorion]

That Blend has not even looked in is pretty odd.

This game we have had cases - lots of cases but none of them have gone anywhere.

Plus Tatts, Tapper, Khell have basically been rehashing the same points for a long time.

So instead of repeating that, we need to choose a case, and vote on it.

[Gust Hubb]

Tapper, on 03 May 2016 - 01:05 PM, said:

Tapper, on 03 May 2016 - 12:56 PM, said:

Gust Hubb, on 03 May 2016 - 12:17 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 26 April 2016 - 10:54 PM, said:

Blend, on 26 April 2016 - 09:33 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 26 April 2016 - 09:32 PM, said:

Finally done and ready to engage for realsies! Let me read up the impressive number of pages and then state some super important and relevant things which surely no one has already mentioned...ish.

vote Khell

Seems pretty obvious to me, he's already setting us up to expect him to just rehash what everyone else is saying.

Au contraire!


Okay, so I pointed out the Andorion listing of town roles and said "EEEENTERESTING!" for a deliberate purpose. Not because I actually thought there was something in it - it's a silly thing to do and I think Andorion's probably played enough to be careful enough not to post something like that as scum - thoug I reserve the right to be wrong!

But rather I did it to see if anyone would jump on. And there go Tatts, Nom, JPK, and...someone else...HO! As I said, I don't thing it makes Ando particulalry scummy seeming in my view, so I was interested by these reactions, and the reversals by some when it seemed the Ando votes might not gain as much traction as it looked like they could.

Of those, I don't particularly agree that Tatts is playing quite differently to normal as some have mentioned. Yes, he's prone to switch wildly, and has he not just done that by fairly inexplicably switching from Ando to Blend? So far that doesn't make him scum, that just makes him Tatts

On the other hand, HO has been more active than normal (yes, really) and that piques my interest. JPK reads like he's coasting, though also may be a newbie testing the waters - have they played before. Nom jumping on straight after Tatts was very eyebrow raising to me, as if trying to show they're active and contributing participants, almost over eager. Also notable as is the recent backing down and reversing from that position ('oh gee, I may have made a mistake').

I'm going to go there for now.

Vote Itwas Nom

No vote for ando (thanks mess, message received) redirection to nom and possibly acknowledgement of kitsu (now that we have another killer, kitsu's death need not be at Khells hand) with a dismissal of kitsu's rapid vote

Urgh. I know few people like theorycraft like I do, but this does not make sense.
Basically... after recognizing and acknowledging his symp, Khell then kills him at night?
Or is Khell on a different team than Messremb and/or JPK, thus making him the SK?

Apologies. You did adress this. The issue remains: how do you see the set-up, if there's two kills at night except for when Kitsu dies, and you see a dead symp?

That is what I am not sure of. Mess may have mentioned a serial killer to fuck with us but I am still unsure how the scum thing works. Is there an inheritance clause? Does the remaining scum get both kills? Is there a vig? See this is where I am not seeing things come together, hence my theory.

As to Khells, I am trying to both go through day 1 evidence (as usual) and refute your stipulation that I am only voting for you because it is day 3

[Khellendros]

Looking through the Blend votes and reasoning.

Lady Bliss, on 02 May 2016 - 11:23 AM, said:

Ok Tapper and Blend are both on my radar.
First these two posts one after another:

Tapper, on 29 April 2016 - 06:26 PM, said:

So, Tatts asks me who I am suspicious off.1) Tattersail2) Gust Hubb - because I think he backs strange trains and I don't have a full sense of his reasonings for it. To a lesser extent, this also goes for3) Andorion4) Coltaine, who seems a little defensive - but that might be because of the fact it's a debut.Standard targets: 2) HiddenOne - because he's HiddenOne.3) Khell - because always.Other stuff:1) Bubba is PI in my book for nothing but gut. He's around, not highly contributing but more than needed for just laying low.2) there's enough material on Lady B to get a read. She's definitely around and very actively playing, I have her as solid town (PI) but opinions are divided about that.

Blend, on 29 April 2016 - 08:19 PM, said:

Alright, so I've finally managed to catch up on reading - sorry folks, been a busy couple days at work...Right now, I'm very on the fence about Tatts - he's flinging shit in a very Tatts-like fashion, but I feel like he only really started doing that after Day 1, and that's what I'm most suspicious of.Regards Khell - I dunno, I don't really think there's too much there. I mean, aside from the fact that he's still alive. I'd be willing to vote Khell for that reason alone, but I certainly wish I had more than that.Tapper and Lady B are on my PI list. I've got very little read on ADL. I could go either way on Bubba, Coltaine and Dhenrabi right now - they're all participating, the latter two especially have been putting up very good cases, and really analyzing everything on thread, so I guess I lean more towards the inno side of things for them. Uhm... Andorion has been pretty active, but I've got very little read on him - I think I may have to take some time to really see what he's had to say... Gust has been less active, and I've not got much of a read on him either. Macros is being his normal ornery self, plus he hasn't done or said anything that has struck me as particularly scummy. HO is coasting a la HO-style. I wouldn't mind lynching him, but I think there are better targets out there...So, in short, my vote, at the moment, goes to Khell, Tatts, or HO, with a willingness to go Gust or Andorion if I see a good case there.

While I APPRECIATE being called PI, how do you KNOW unless you are a finder? Anyways, these posts seem strange to me and link them together.

Khellendros, on 02 May 2016 - 12:22 AM, said:

Macros, on 01 May 2016 - 03:26 PM, said:

Blend -this post struck me at the time of reading but I was skimming through and kind of forgot about it (post 674)

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Hey folks, sorry for missing out on end of day. I'm reading up now - I saw in passing that Kitsu was NK'd and was scum? Seems odd! Hopefully a read up will provide a bit more info on that!

Just seems like he's trying to be like casually surprised by it, just seems kind of forced. probably reading too much into it.There seems to be a general lack of commitment on scum finding, a few posts saying, well i don't really think anyones overly scummy, ala this post (691)

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Alright, so I've finally managed to catch up on reading - sorry folks, been a busy couple days at work...Right now, I'm very on the fence about Tatts - he's flinging shit in a very Tatts-like fashion, but I feel like he only really started doing that after Day 1, and that's what I'm most suspicious of.Regards Khell - I dunno, I don't really think there's too much there. I mean, aside from the fact that he's still alive. I'd be willing to vote Khell for that reason alone, but I certainly wish I had more than that.Tapper and Lady B are on my PI list. I've got very little read on ADL. I could go either way on Bubba, Coltaine and Dhenrabi right now - they're all participating, the latter two especially have been putting up very good cases, and really analyzing everything on thread, so I guess I lean more towards the inno side of things for them. Uhm... Andorion has been pretty active, but I've got very little read on him - I think I may have to take some time to really see what he's had to say... Gust has been less active, and I've not got much of a read on him either. Macros is being his normal ornery self, plus he hasn't done or said anything that has struck me as particularly scummy. HO is coasting a la HO-style. I wouldn't mind lynching him, but I think there are better targets out there...So, in short, my vote, at the moment, goes to Khell, Tatts, or HO, with a willingness to go Gust or Andorion if I see a good case there.

especially the HO part, he thinks there are better targets out there, but has basically said hes on the fence or not feeling it about any player, yet there's targets out there than HO? in short, eh, there is more striking me that ADL, but ADL hasn't really posted anything....Bubba - I think I'm countign right, 19 posts.of which, at least 11 are non posts - either pictures, jokes, joke pictures, responding to jokes.A vote on HO, based on his drive by coupled with Gut^TM, jumps to Nom train to "make up the numbers"reaction to the Kitsu kill is interesting (zero interaction with kitsu btw)

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WTF just happened?....and I feel asleep early, or more to the point. passed out.

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Did we have two killers who didn't know each other?

like Blends, feels kind of forced, but again, I could be reading too much into it.over all, bubba is en par with ADL for zero to little content.

I got the same feeling as you from Blend's post, it seeming a little forced. And yes, he has been quite on the fence this game. A further read up on Blend of my own is in order.

Then we have Mac's post about Blend which Khell agrees with and Tapper's wild theory about Gust and Tatts killing noobs.

I think I want to
vote Blend

LB actually gave her reasoning yesterday, essentially getting suspicious bad vibes off people calling her PI, and agreeing with Mac's initial suspicion of Blend.

Bubba, on 03 May 2016 - 01:29 AM, said:

So we need to find one more killer to end the scum team., Tapper has outed him self as the symp for team scum. And it looks like there is a SK on the loose. I'm going to add my vote to the Blend train to try and make up for missing the lynch yesterday.
vote Blend

Bubba's reasoning seems to be 'because I didn't vote yesterday'. It would be good to get more input here.

Dhenrabi, on 03 May 2016 - 08:01 AM, said:

vote lynch Blend


Pressure at least until he shows up

Another very basic explanation: 'pressure'. No idea whether they suspect Blend at all or not (unless Dhen said it yesterday?)

Andorion, on 03 May 2016 - 08:42 AM, said:

Lady Bliss, on 03 May 2016 - 05:41 AM, said:

Andorion, on 03 May 2016 - 12:55 AM, said:

Blend?

I was thinking of Khell, but ok.

Vote Blend

Drive by much?

Not really a driveby. I was among the first to point out Blends low posting non obstrusive gameplay.

Thing is over the last couple of days we have essentially run around in circles and failed to get a lynch while the kills mount up. We need to lynch some people and a hiding low poster makes a better target for me than an obvious high poster like Khell

Andorion explains his vote after being asked for it. Says he was one of the first to point out Blend, but doesn't sound particularly convinced in their own vote on someone they pointed out in the past.

Tapper, on 03 May 2016 - 01:03 PM, said:

HiddenOne, on 03 May 2016 - 12:18 PM, said:

This game felt so good at first, but somewhere it turned the corner and went to Uglytown.

I have suspected each one of you, multiple times, during the course of this session.


I thought at first that the extra kill was a vig, now it looks like we have 2 killers on the move.

I like that we have case-making and lots of laying blame. On the other hand, I dislike that we don't lynch. The combination makes this a symp's heaven, I guess: lots of blame to spread, but a slowly shrinking suspect pool. I guess we're hoarding too many votes.

Although I don't see much in the case against him, and would much rather vote Gust, I will vote Blend. It will give some sort of clarity with finality on his somewhat solitary play.

Vote Blend

Tapper's seems to be another "let's get the game moving" vote, rather than conviction.


Hmm. All the votes could be suspect for various reasons, but to me Bubba and Dhenrabi stand out for lack of explanation in votes. In fact, I haven't had a good handle on either of them throughout. Tapper also stands out, more for the fact of bringing Blend to L-1.

Blend *could* still be scum if we're talking unconnected scum, but my gut says Dhenrabi might be worth looking at more closely.

[Andorion]

Andorion, on 29 April 2016 - 06:43 AM, said:

I have a few things to do. I will be back later to see if we can connect Kitsu to anyone

Andorion, on 29 April 2016 - 02:31 PM, said:

Blend, on 27 April 2016 - 08:22 PM, said:

Curse you new players! I don't remember which one of you it was, or if it was more than one of you even, but one of the new players at least was making some very good arguments yesterday - if that player was Sergiej, that could very well be the reason he was killed.

One thing, though - everyone is assuming a Vig - I was about to say it could be a Faceless Man, but that's not possible without playing in game alts...

So other things it COULD be is a Serial Killer, though usually a SK is announced in the OP.

Guess it's not a stretch that there's a vig in game. If that's the case, I'd say that Messremb was likely the vig's target. I know that if I had gotten the vig role, I probably couldn't have resisted from killing off Mess.

Blend, on 27 April 2016 - 08:26 PM, said:

Siergiej, on 26 April 2016 - 06:54 PM, said:

I'm also not convinced by the Andorion mentioned mechanics therefore scum thinking, so I'm leaning towards suspecting one of the people who jumped on the lynching Andorion bandwagon, as an easy way to quickly kill off a townie. These people are:
Nom, HiddenOne, Kitsu

This, for example, was a very astute note - obviously ItWasn'tNom, but one of our killers could be HO or Kitsu panicking at being named, and deciding we might as well off the person who noticed it.

Of course, I'm more inclined to think that the kills had nothing to do with yesterday's cases... Just kills of opportunity.

So uh, I was looking at Blend, basically because unlike Tatts or Khell he has stayed off everybodys radar and I found this.

Doesn't it strike anyone as odd?

Will continue to look at Blend

Tapper, on 29 April 2016 - 02:55 PM, said:

Andorion, on 29 April 2016 - 02:31 PM, said:

Blend, on 27 April 2016 - 08:22 PM, said:

Curse you new players! I don't remember which one of you it was, or if it was more than one of you even, but one of the new players at least was making some very good arguments yesterday - if that player was Sergiej, that could very well be the reason he was killed.

One thing, though - everyone is assuming a Vig - I was about to say it could be a Faceless Man, but that's not possible without playing in game alts...

So other things it COULD be is a Serial Killer, though usually a SK is announced in the OP.

Guess it's not a stretch that there's a vig in game. If that's the case, I'd say that Messremb was likely the vig's target. I know that if I had gotten the vig role, I probably couldn't have resisted from killing off Mess.

Blend, on 27 April 2016 - 08:26 PM, said:

Siergiej, on 26 April 2016 - 06:54 PM, said:

I'm also not convinced by the Andorion mentioned mechanics therefore scum thinking, so I'm leaning towards suspecting one of the people who jumped on the lynching Andorion bandwagon, as an easy way to quickly kill off a townie. These people are:
Nom, HiddenOne, Kitsu

This, for example, was a very astute note - obviously ItWasn'tNom, but one of our killers could be HO or Kitsu panicking at being named, and deciding we might as well off the person who noticed it.

Of course, I'm more inclined to think that the kills had nothing to do with yesterday's cases... Just kills of opportunity.

So uh, I was looking at Blend, basically because unlike Tatts or Khell he has stayed off everybodys radar and I found this.

Doesn't it strike anyone as odd?

Will continue to look at Blend

Blend has been somewhat understated this game. The vig thing is interesting - it might be his claim

So this is basically my speculation on Blend - note this was pretty early when Tatts and Tapper were going at each other full force.

Tapper saw my post but didn't really pursue it.

[Macros]

well by the looks of it most of us are floating about (7 anon users reading thread)

I am still willing to hold out until blend shows up and talks to us, but I will be casting a vote somewhere before going to bed in a few hours, at the minute that vote will be going on Blend, but Andorion or HO would garner my support as well. I'll have a look at Dhenrabi in isolation at some time this evening