[JPK]

Low poster yesterday, yes. I was observing and learning. A couple of you got it right when it was guessed that this is my first game. I finally back on laptop so I'm going to join Ando in looking for clues in the day one voting.

[JPK]

Going back to the very beginning here with a couple things of note from the first page.

Messremb, on 26 April 2016 - 02:19 AM, said:

Woo game thread.

Vote Khellendros

Because Macros and Venge have a point...

That was the first vote of the game. Also the fourth post of the thread.

Lady Bliss, on 26 April 2016 - 03:24 AM, said:

vote Nom
Because...

And hallooooo to the thread!

This was post number 11, and the first actual vote for Nom. Yes, LB did back down for a bit, but once the Nom train was back in full motion...

[Andorion]

Messremb, on 27 April 2016 - 11:17 AM, said:

And holy crap it's gone midday.

I am awake far too late. Expect more sense from me Wednesday. Well okay, more Messremb from me on Wednesday.

Vote Itwas Now

Bubba, on 27 April 2016 - 12:16 PM, said:

I'm on a frost delay, can't mow until it melts. I
Still like my vote on HO, but I'm going to swap over to the Nom train just to help get the numbers, and the case is better than the read I have on HO anyway.

Remove vote
Vote Nom.

Edit... I can't tell if that came out bolded....on my phone.

PS please consider that bolded text.

Lady Bliss, on 27 April 2016 - 12:58 PM, said:

So at this point I feel like Nom's play has been the most dodgy. His reasoning for his vote on Ando because he wanted to throw a vote down and didn't think it mattered since there were so many other players just doesn't sit right. Now it looks like he will vote for just about anyone else to not be lynched, but he doesn't provide a solid reason for his votes.

vote Nom

Macros, on 27 April 2016 - 01:28 PM, said:

I have the browser open in the background, will change in the interests of getting a lynch, if that's the go, but to be honest Nom hasn't been overly on my radar, he's noticable, and a few ropey posts, but as I've said already, I'd prefer a lynch on tatts/HO, hell probably Andorion, then Nom, he'd be a fourth choice for me. The problem is, well our collective play, if its a no lynch today, we all know how tomorrow will likely pan out, so in the interest of avoiding that, I will change vote cometh the hour

Macros, on 27 April 2016 - 01:29 PM, said:

blargh, cross post, Bliss said basically the same thing I was, we'll just rehash this tomorrow.

remove vote
vote Nom

So those are the last 4 votes on Nom

Note: Mess' vote is in the context of a huge debate with Tatts about HO
Macros has a very nice cover story to go with the we need a lynch excuse - I would have liked to lynch three other people!
Not sure about this but LB has been anti-Nom from the beginning. Will have to check.

Also note the timers on the lynch train. Last 4 votes came in 3-4 hours. Fast.

[Gust Hubb]

Here, kids in bed, reading up.

[Lady Bliss]

Andorion, on 28 April 2016 - 01:24 AM, said:

Gnaw, on 27 April 2016 - 05:39 PM, said:

Macros, on 27 April 2016 - 01:29 PM, said:

blargh, cross post, Bliss said basically the same thing I was, we'll just rehash this tomorrow.

remove vote
vote Nom

As of here, that's a lynch.


It is day 1.


17 players alive: ADL, Andorion, Blend, Bliss, Bubba, Coltain93, Dhenrabi, Gusty, HO, Itwas Nom, Khell, Kitsu, Macros, Mess, Sergiej, Tapper, Tatts


9 votes to lynch, 9 votes to night.

Votes:



1 vote Gusty: Sergiej,

9 votes Nom: Khell, Andorion, Blend, Coltain93, Mess, Gusty, Bubba, Bliss, Macros

2 votes HO: Tatts, Nom,

1 vote Macros: Kitsu,

Players not voted: Tapper, Dhenrabi, HO, ADL,




ItWasNom is dead. He was RI.

So this is the lynch train. Bubba, Bliss and Macros came in at the end.

Bubba, on 27 April 2016 - 07:03 PM, said:

Well that sucks 3RI gone

The lynch? Day one is all I can say about that. Everyone is looking at the train, I'm more interested in who wasn't on it. The best hiding place on a train is never getting on in the first place.

Mess? Grudge killing? taking out the helpful players? I'm willing to bet Mess was high up on a few lists.

Sergiej? Who said we should kill/lynch the new players? I remember reading that. Kell?

Looking at people not on the Lynch train maybe a good idea, but this could also be an attempt to deflect from the fact that Bubba himself was on it in the end.

So people who were not on it:

Serg
Tatts: A good case could be made against him. Macros would agree
Nom
Kitsu: Low poster
Dhenrabi: Need to check
HO: Got into trouble. Tatts could make a good case against him
ADL: Absent for most of the day.
Tapper: Had a European festival thing?

Just Plain Kitsu, on 27 April 2016 - 07:14 PM, said:

Andorion, on 27 April 2016 - 06:13 PM, said:

Damn I am way too tired to deal with this right now.

Khell started the train on Nom and Macros, Bliss and LB were in at the end. One of these could quite possibly be scum I guess?

I am going to bed. Maybe things will look better in the morning

I'm going to reference my earlier post and vote here. Macros helped start the Ando train, quickly jumped to the Tatter-Train, and vote-hopped at the end to help get Nom out. He's also a vet and that would make it reasonable for him to target either if the night kills. Mess cause we all know he's a strong player, or Sierg since he's a new unknown.

Just putting it out there for thought.

This is a good point and he was last on the lynch train.


So from the lynch train I want to look at Bubba and Macros

and from the others, Tatts, Dhenrabi, HO

Outside chance? Khell, who started the Nom train.

Thoughts people?

I need to read up, but Khell is on my radar. I think it was strange that he latched on and didn't let go.

[Lady Bliss]

Just Plain Kitsu, on 28 April 2016 - 02:02 AM, said:

Going back to the very beginning here with a couple things of note from the first page.

Messremb, on 26 April 2016 - 02:19 AM, said:

Woo game thread.

Vote Khellendros

Because Macros and Venge have a point...

That was the first vote of the game. Also the fourth post of the thread.

Lady Bliss, on 26 April 2016 - 03:24 AM, said:

vote Nom
Because...

And hallooooo to the thread!

This was post number 11, and the first actual vote for Nom. Yes, LB did back down for a bit, but once the Nom train was back in full motion...

Did you play the last game? If yes you should understand the joke vote since I was Nom's leader and he gave it away at the beginning of the game. He DID act pretty dodgy which was why I went with voting him.

[JPK]

Lady Bliss, on 28 April 2016 - 02:28 AM, said:

Just Plain Kitsu, on 28 April 2016 - 02:02 AM, said:

Going back to the very beginning here with a couple things of note from the first page.

Messremb, on 26 April 2016 - 02:19 AM, said:

Woo game thread.

Vote Khellendros

Because Macros and Venge have a point...

That was the first vote of the game. Also the fourth post of the thread.

Lady Bliss, on 26 April 2016 - 03:24 AM, said:

vote Nom
Because...

And hallooooo to the thread!

This was post number 11, and the first actual vote for Nom. Yes, LB did back down for a bit, but once the Nom train was back in full motion...

Did you play the last game? If yes you should understand the joke vote since I was Nom's leader and he gave it away at the beginning of the game. He DID act pretty dodgy which was why I went with voting him.

Ah, then it was a joke vote and grudge opportunity? I wasn't in the last game, I'm fresh-meat.

[Lady Bliss]

Just Plain Kitsu, on 28 April 2016 - 02:33 AM, said:

Lady Bliss, on 28 April 2016 - 02:28 AM, said:

Just Plain Kitsu, on 28 April 2016 - 02:02 AM, said:

Going back to the very beginning here with a couple things of note from the first page.

Messremb, on 26 April 2016 - 02:19 AM, said:

Woo game thread.

Vote Khellendros

Because Macros and Venge have a point...

That was the first vote of the game. Also the fourth post of the thread.

Lady Bliss, on 26 April 2016 - 03:24 AM, said:

vote Nom
Because...

And hallooooo to the thread!

This was post number 11, and the first actual vote for Nom. Yes, LB did back down for a bit, but once the Nom train was back in full motion...

Did you play the last game? If yes you should understand the joke vote since I was Nom's leader and he gave it away at the beginning of the game. He DID act pretty dodgy which was why I went with voting him.

Ah, then it was a joke vote and grudge opportunity? I wasn't in the last game, I'm fresh-meat.

No grudge. I just had to give him shit Day 1. Still don't get his play though, because it didn't help town.

[Andorion]

Macros, on 26 April 2016 - 07:34 AM, said:

Andorion, on 26 April 2016 - 06:27 AM, said:

On the other hand, if its time to get serious,

M&P with one non standard role?

So, 1-2 killers, 1 symp, 1 healer/guard, and one town vig?

Thoughts, people?

Game mechanics speculation already?
I've got my eye on you Andorion!

Macros, on 26 April 2016 - 10:04 AM, said:

My my look at the hornets nest that got poked.

Personally I dislike role speculation, especially this early as it only plays into the scums hands.
And (it was andorion I don't think, will check) someone then followed up with something along the lines of 'well we need to get things straight early on'.
No we don't, anything assumed now is just that, an assumption, and playing a game out based on day one speculation is asking for trouble. This kind of talk just screams attempts at thread direction to me, which I really dislike. Going back to page one here to see if I can find the offending post. Maybe it was andorion, but I think it was someone else.

Early doors yet, but currently would vote for andorion or the other post Im going to hunt down. Probably wrong, as its overtly blatant but it could be a dump or a ballsy scum. Unlikely.

Macros, on 26 April 2016 - 10:10 AM, said:

Tattersail_, on 26 April 2016 - 07:22 AM, said:

Andorion, on 26 April 2016 - 06:27 AM, said:

On the other hand, if its time to get serious,

M&P with one non standard role?

So, 1-2 killers, 1 symp, 1 healer/guard, and one town vig?

Thoughts, people?

Usually town versus scum ratio is 3:1 so there's most certainly 2 scum with a symp. I want Tapper's opinion on the non standard role.

With there being a few new guys we best get on the same page day one.

There he is, mr 'oh so helpful to the newbies' Tattersail.
Congrats tatts, you just jumped to the head of the queue.

vote Tattersail

Whilst I don't like andoruons speculation, this little bit of subtle yet oh so helpful directioning floats my boat for a vote. And his happiness to lump suspicion on Andorion while doing exactly what he does just helps.

Also, will be mostly.playing from phone, expect typos galore, and alted seems to autocorrect to salted, and I get sick of fixing it so bear that in mind.

Macros out while he drives to next job

Macros, on 26 April 2016 - 12:00 PM, said:

This has been a very active day so far, Im hoping the phone signal is as good at my next port of call.

Tatts, mess and andiron are firing posts out like crazy. Overall content has been either helping newbies and quoting stuff, wall o'quote text blocks that I habitually scan and what I read as a "NO YOU!!" Match between tatts and andiron.

Realistically a meaning post from me at this juncture of the game is laptop material, which will be after work.

Macros, on 26 April 2016 - 04:56 PM, said:

It seems to be that usual melting pot of day one, the shit is circling around 2 players and I can see a reason for both lynching, and not lynching both players.

gah.

Tatts, seems to be honing in a little on Andorion now, as well as getting frustrated, I can easily view the frustration as genuine annoyance with fellow townies, or frustration that he's been caught out already over something minor.
Andorions actions can have the same flip coin as well, but Tatts almost dogged like pursuit of him is making me lean towards keeping my vote on Tatts for now. yes I am aware he has adressed the points I raised, and quite neatly as well, but its more gut feeling now than anything else. And we still have plenty of time.

Macros, on 26 April 2016 - 07:31 PM, said:

Watching match, good post by Sergei though!
Will take another look at nom and co when I get home

Macros, on 27 April 2016 - 06:01 AM, said:

Morning, not much seems to have changed on my quick poop glance.

Will have a ball of time at work this morning

Macros, on 27 April 2016 - 08:44 AM, said:

Have done a sort of reread,well up to page 3 properly then a skip through, have work to do.
That's page 3, at 40ppp, the way real mean read the forum.

My scribbled notes from the first 3 pages yielded me this.

If Andorion were silencer, Id vote for him right now for being too smooth. He calmly backtracks to aline his reasoning with other players, and happily joins in the light hearted banter where ever it appears, totally unflustered by attention he has garnered. But he's not, so I won't, for now.
My main beef with Andorion was post #27, with less than 50% of players even checked in, 'lets.get srs' and starts role speculation, pro town role speculation.
Then when Tatts follows up and says that we all want to be on the same page with game outline (paraphrased) And does a nice little semi reverse sidestep to aline with this a bit more. Not that it helps him, tatts still chases after And anyway.

Mess, had the early doors joke on Khell, and has been almost nauseatingly helpful, even pointing out to newbs who usually dies etc, potential set up for survivor framing?? (rampant speculation)

Tatts, ah tatts, still numero uno for me, and it nearly.all cycles back to that post on page one, 'lets get everyone on ehte same basic outline early doors (paraphrased) he backs up his suspicions of And by highlighting it was other players (me and khell) that were suspicious of And dorion, as if to say, see other guys picked it up.first, if we lynch him and he's town, well it was their fault (supposition by myself based on a purely theoretical chain of events)

And HO. I'll have to go back and find the post by HO that annoyed me, it jumped off the page at me there but tying to multiwiote and stuff on the phone is just a no, hence the stream of discombobulated thoughts.


TLDR - I am suspicious of several players for several reasons (it was nom, drive by vote on Andorion noted, page one hoping for a runaway bandwagon fueled by tatts, khell.and macros suspicions possibly? Further investigation required)
Notably Andorion, Tatts, Mess and HO.


Quick question, is there an easy way to see one players posts in the thread, like 'show me every post macros has made in this thread, only.macros' posts'?

Macros, on 27 April 2016 - 08:59 AM, said:

HiddenOne, on 26 April 2016 - 02:11 PM, said:

Macros, on 26 April 2016 - 07:34 AM, said:

Andorion, on 26 April 2016 - 06:27 AM, said:

On the other hand, if its time to get serious,

M&P with one non standard role?

So, 1-2 killers, 1 symp, 1 healer/guard, and one town vig?

Thoughts, people?

Game mechanics speculation already?
I've got my eye on you Andorion!

See, if Macros said it, it must be worth considering

It doesn't look like much, it may be nothing. But posts like this always tickle my balls. It really bugs me 'oo lookee, another player said this, I'll just.coast along in their shadow and not reason anything myself I might have to actually quantify'. Coupled with a dose of , well, its macros, he MUST know what he's talking about, completely disregarding the fact that Macros usually talks a lot of shit/ is drunk / a hesdy combination of the two.
It just looks like a lazy attempt to justify a handy vote. And ignores the fact that on the next page (after the quote of me) I actually voted Tatts rather than Andorion.

Its thin I'll grant you but it puts HO second on my list at the moment

Macros, on 27 April 2016 - 12:36 PM, said:

woohoo, have an excuse to get the laptop out at work to type up a few certs, and this site is in a 4G area!

going to do a quick reread of things I tried to skim through on my phone, from what I've gathered theres a train on Nom, but we've 2 hours left. if needed I will swap, but I really like my tatts vote, would also switch to HO if that gains any more traction

Macros, on 27 April 2016 - 01:28 PM, said:

I have the browser open in the background, will change in the interests of getting a lynch, if that's the go, but to be honest Nom hasn't been overly on my radar, he's noticable, and a few ropey posts, but as I've said already, I'd prefer a lynch on tatts/HO, hell probably Andorion, then Nom, he'd be a fourth choice for me. The problem is, well our collective play, if its a no lynch today, we all know how tomorrow will likely pan out, so in the interest of avoiding that, I will change vote cometh the hour

Macros, on 27 April 2016 - 01:29 PM, said:

blargh, cross post, Bliss said basically the same thing I was, we'll just rehash this tomorrow.

remove vote
vote Nom

So this is Macros.

He started off by calling me out, then switched to Tatts. Interesting thing is that in the middle he has a bunch of zero content posts which basically repeat the same thing.

He adds HO to his list quite late,

Before the vote on Nom he still wants to vote on Tatts or HO

So vote only for a lynch? Macros has given the appearance of somebody playing and posting important stuff while saying very little in the middle.

Clever screen? Food for thought

[JPK]

I'm curious to see if he responds to this one Ando, since he ignored me both times that I've pointed out this behavior previously. I'd also like to point out that in the post where he voted Tatts, he mentioned he did it because he doesn't like people being helpful to newbies. Dislike of newbies + death of Sierg? Weak, I know. But it's still something to think on.

[Andorion]

Just Plain Kitsu, on 28 April 2016 - 03:09 AM, said:

I'm curious to see if he responds to this one Ando, since he ignored me both times that I've pointed out this behavior previously. I'd also like to point out that in the post where he voted Tatts, he mentioned he did it because he doesn't like people being helpful to newbies. Dislike of newbies + death of Sierg? Weak, I know. But it's still something to think on.

At this stage we can't afford to narrow down our thoughts and actions yet. If he hated being helpful to newbies, why was he silent on Mess? That was half of what Mess was doing.

A little busy, but I want to list out Lady Bliss, Khell and HO as well. After that we can see if we can't find a pattern.

Also irritatingly enough, the NK on Mess does not tell us much. Any veteran would be uncomfortable with Mess as he is devious. I thought he was scum as he was being so nice. I kept quiet and had planned to keep a sharp eye on him for Day 2.

As a counter, if the killer is a newbie, he might want to take out this vocal player who is everywhere

So the kill could have come from Town or Scum. On the other Serg's kill is more interesting. I don't think anybody would take "Scum likes lists" seriously enough to kill, but maybe the list caught something?

[Gust Hubb]

Ok, so here is the list of people that really need a deeper look: Lady Bliss, ADL, JPK, and Coltaine. I just finished the read through and the below is the best post from Bliss.

Lady Bliss, on 26 April 2016 - 04:35 PM, said:

Ok, after skimming through I'm left with the following perceptions:

1) my gut says Tatts is playing way too over the top to be a killer. I could see him more as a symp.
2) Role speculation does stink. I feel like it just helps scum with trying to look like they are participating early, and can be a vehicle for scum to spot roled townies.
3) Khell isn't posting enough.
4) Tapper is posting more than I remember. I'll have to do a post count on the last couple of games to confirm.

TBH I'm leaning towards Khell
I
OR Nom

remove vote

I need to take a deeper dive in looking at posts.

Rarely belligerent and more in for a joke grudge on Nom, Bliss is laying low (which is a pattern with her I think, but this also makes her a dangerous one to ignore)

Lady Bliss, on 27 April 2016 - 12:27 PM, said:

Macros, on 27 April 2016 - 08:44 AM, said:

Have done a sort of reread,well up to page 3 properly then a skip through, have work to do.That's page 3, at 40ppp, the way real mean read the forum.My scribbled notes from the first 3 pages yielded me this.If Andorion were silencer, Id vote for him right now for being too smooth. He calmly backtracks to aline his reasoning with other players, and happily joins in the light hearted banter where ever it appears, totally unflustered by attention he has garnered. But he's not, so I won't, for now. My main beef with Andorion was post #27, with less than 50% of players even checked in, 'lets.get srs' and starts role speculation, pro town role speculation.Then when Tatts follows up and says that we all want to be on the same page with game outline (paraphrased) And does a nice little semi reverse sidestep to aline with this a bit more. Not that it helps him, tatts still chases after And anyway.Mess, had the early doors joke on Khell, and has been almost nauseatingly helpful, even pointing out to newbs who usually dies etc, potential set up for survivor framing?? (rampant speculation)Tatts, ah tatts, still numero uno for me, and it nearly.all cycles back to that post on page one, 'lets get everyone on ehte same basic outline early doors (paraphrased) he backs up his suspicions of And by highlighting it was other players (me and khell) that were suspicious of And dorion, as if to say, see other guys picked it up.first, if we lynch him and he's town, well it was their fault (supposition by myself based on a purely theoretical chain of events)And HO. I'll have to go back and find the post by HO that annoyed me, it jumped off the page at me there but tying to multiwiote and stuff on the phone is just a no, hence the stream of discombobulated thoughts.TLDR - I am suspicious of several players for several reasons (it was nom, drive by vote on Andorion noted, page one hoping for a runaway bandwagon fueled by tatts, khell.and macros suspicions possibly? Further investigation required)Notably Andorion, Tatts, Mess and HO. Quick question, is there an easy way to see one players posts in the thread, like 'show me every post macros has made in this thread, only.macros' posts'?

Andorion, on 27 April 2016 - 08:47 AM, said:

Looking back, back HO seems to have jumped on pretty fast and then backed out again.

Tattersail_, on 27 April 2016 - 08:51 AM, said:

Remove voteFinished my read up, i'm leaning towards voting for HO, thanks to Sergei's case but also the way HO comes onto the thread, quotes a few people, votes Andorion, says he's finished his DKT style catch up

HiddenOne, on 26 April 2016 - 02:29 PM, said:

DKT style catch up^TM is complete, so back to work - I'm out of time to slack off

Yet he added no content, replied to a few quotes with cheeky one liners, and hurtfully didn't mention me once. Sounds bitchy doesn't it, but if you look, Andorion, Messremb, Tapper, Macros, Dhenrabi, had all mentioned me, quoted me and I'd been voted. He doesn't mention Ando's 2 votes on him, nothing mentioned by HO just a little vote on Ando which puts him number 3 on the train. He mentions Macros talking about Ando and mechanics but doesn't mention me talking about them. Skating by as usual. Vote HO

I go to sleep and now have several pages to catch up again... My first thought here is wtf?! Mac mentions HO, then Ando, so then Tatts votes him in rapid succession?

This is odd having Bliss stand up for HO as well. I think she is after Macros (who has seemed a lot more cheery than I remember him), but there is a lot of alarm over HO in both directions. It's a good distraction, but whether it is a distraction away from someone else's guilt or HO's role, I am not sure.



JPK is riding the newb role a bit hard, and I agree with Khell that we cannot just let them slide, even if Tapper ordered only puppies and rainbows for their first game. No, what I am worried about is one of our newbs is getting outside coaching from a more experienced player and just playing up their inexperience (or hiding experience in the case of our sea caterpillar). And now JPK is turning the tables on Khell, an interesting approach to raise ire for the newbie hater...

ADL is usually like this right? Shy, more like a quiet HO? Seriously, there is not much to go off of on the guy. I am really not sure what to do with him, but I don't like him tickling my paranoia...

[Gust Hubb]

Andorion, on 28 April 2016 - 03:21 AM, said:

Just Plain Kitsu, on 28 April 2016 - 03:09 AM, said:

I'm curious to see if he responds to this one Ando, since he ignored me both times that I've pointed out this behavior previously. I'd also like to point out that in the post where he voted Tatts, he mentioned he did it because he doesn't like people being helpful to newbies. Dislike of newbies + death of Sierg? Weak, I know. But it's still something to think on.

At this stage we can't afford to narrow down our thoughts and actions yet. If he hated being helpful to newbies, why was he silent on Mess? That was half of what Mess was doing.

A little busy, but I want to list out Lady Bliss, Khell and HO as well. After that we can see if we can't find a pattern.

Also irritatingly enough, the NK on Mess does not tell us much. Any veteran would be uncomfortable with Mess as he is devious. I thought he was scum as he was being so nice. I kept quiet and had planned to keep a sharp eye on him for Day 2.

As a counter, if the killer is a newbie, he might want to take out this vocal player who is everywhere

So the kill could have come from Town or Scum. On the other Serg's kill is more interesting. I don't think anybody would take "Scum likes lists" seriously enough to kill, but maybe the list caught something?

Serg has to be the scum kill. It is a classic throw the thread into confusion. Was it his vote on Gust? Was it his newb status and thus a target for the haters? Did someone see danger in his thought processes?

Just a thought, but what if Tapper killed him? That would be an interesting distancing approach, no?

[Gust Hubb]

Ok, going to bed. Not many posts, but I feel like I have a lot of loose ends sliding through my fingers, and I can't get a lock on anyone, which feels unusual for Day 1. I almost always can nail down someone acting like they have a role.

[JPK]

Gust Hubb, on 28 April 2016 - 03:21 AM, said:

Ok, so here is the list of people that really need a deeper look: Lady Bliss, ADL, JPK, and Coltaine. I just finished the read through and the below is the best post from Bliss.

Lady Bliss, on 26 April 2016 - 04:35 PM, said:

Ok, after skimming through I'm left with the following perceptions:

1) my gut says Tatts is playing way too over the top to be a killer. I could see him more as a symp.
2) Role speculation does stink. I feel like it just helps scum with trying to look like they are participating early, and can be a vehicle for scum to spot roled townies.
3) Khell isn't posting enough.
4) Tapper is posting more than I remember. I'll have to do a post count on the last couple of games to confirm.

TBH I'm leaning towards Khell
I
OR Nom

remove vote

I need to take a deeper dive in looking at posts.

Rarely belligerent and more in for a joke grudge on Nom, Bliss is laying low (which is a pattern with her I think, but this also makes her a dangerous one to ignore)

Lady Bliss, on 27 April 2016 - 12:27 PM, said:

Macros, on 27 April 2016 - 08:44 AM, said:

Have done a sort of reread,well up to page 3 properly then a skip through, have work to do.That's page 3, at 40ppp, the way real mean read the forum.My scribbled notes from the first 3 pages yielded me this.If Andorion were silencer, Id vote for him right now for being too smooth. He calmly backtracks to aline his reasoning with other players, and happily joins in the light hearted banter where ever it appears, totally unflustered by attention he has garnered. But he's not, so I won't, for now. My main beef with Andorion was post #27, with less than 50% of players even checked in, 'lets.get srs' and starts role speculation, pro town role speculation.Then when Tatts follows up and says that we all want to be on the same page with game outline (paraphrased) And does a nice little semi reverse sidestep to aline with this a bit more. Not that it helps him, tatts still chases after And anyway.Mess, had the early doors joke on Khell, and has been almost nauseatingly helpful, even pointing out to newbs who usually dies etc, potential set up for survivor framing?? (rampant speculation)Tatts, ah tatts, still numero uno for me, and it nearly.all cycles back to that post on page one, 'lets get everyone on ehte same basic outline early doors (paraphrased) he backs up his suspicions of And by highlighting it was other players (me and khell) that were suspicious of And dorion, as if to say, see other guys picked it up.first, if we lynch him and he's town, well it was their fault (supposition by myself based on a purely theoretical chain of events)And HO. I'll have to go back and find the post by HO that annoyed me, it jumped off the page at me there but tying to multiwiote and stuff on the phone is just a no, hence the stream of discombobulated thoughts.TLDR - I am suspicious of several players for several reasons (it was nom, drive by vote on Andorion noted, page one hoping for a runaway bandwagon fueled by tatts, khell.and macros suspicions possibly? Further investigation required)Notably Andorion, Tatts, Mess and HO. Quick question, is there an easy way to see one players posts in the thread, like 'show me every post macros has made in this thread, only.macros' posts'?

Andorion, on 27 April 2016 - 08:47 AM, said:

Looking back, back HO seems to have jumped on pretty fast and then backed out again.

Tattersail_, on 27 April 2016 - 08:51 AM, said:

Remove voteFinished my read up, i'm leaning towards voting for HO, thanks to Sergei's case but also the way HO comes onto the thread, quotes a few people, votes Andorion, says he's finished his DKT style catch up

HiddenOne, on 26 April 2016 - 02:29 PM, said:

DKT style catch up^TM is complete, so back to work - I'm out of time to slack off

Yet he added no content, replied to a few quotes with cheeky one liners, and hurtfully didn't mention me once. Sounds bitchy doesn't it, but if you look, Andorion, Messremb, Tapper, Macros, Dhenrabi, had all mentioned me, quoted me and I'd been voted. He doesn't mention Ando's 2 votes on him, nothing mentioned by HO just a little vote on Ando which puts him number 3 on the train. He mentions Macros talking about Ando and mechanics but doesn't mention me talking about them. Skating by as usual. Vote HO

I go to sleep and now have several pages to catch up again... My first thought here is wtf?! Mac mentions HO, then Ando, so then Tatts votes him in rapid succession?

This is odd having Bliss stand up for HO as well. I think she is after Macros (who has seemed a lot more cheery than I remember him), but there is a lot of alarm over HO in both directions. It's a good distraction, but whether it is a distraction away from someone else's guilt or HO's role, I am not sure.



JPK is riding the newb role a bit hard, and I agree with Khell that we cannot just let them slide, even if Tapper ordered only puppies and rainbows for their first game. No, what I am worried about is one of our newbs is getting outside coaching from a more experienced player and just playing up their inexperience (or hiding experience in the case of our sea caterpillar). And now JPK is turning the tables on Khell, an interesting approach to raise ire for the newbie hater...

ADL is usually like this right? Shy, more like a quiet HO? Seriously, there is not much to go off of on the guy. I am really not sure what to do with him, but I don't like him tickling my paranoia...

Gust, I'd love to not be riding this newbie role. Yeah, I pointed out Khell had the first vote of the game placed against him, but that's all I've said in that regard so far. I'm still looking into him. I know he's infamous for being devious around here. I have two current problems: 1- Having to repeat myself multiple times since others just don't seem to be reading my posts. (Example: Lady Bliss asking if I've played before when at the top of the page I clearly stated that I haven't. Same page even!" 2- Macros completely dodging fair questions I've placed his way TWICE now. Without even a mention. Which seems suspicious as hell to me.

I'm also looking deeper into HO, Tapper, and Bubba at the moment. All three are vets that I'm under the impression are usually more active. I was accused of skating day one, but I feel like I still piped up at least as much as these three. Well, maybe not Tapper. The short time Tapper was on, a lot of light seemed to be shed on a couple of subjects.

[Andorion]

Gust Hubb, on 28 April 2016 - 03:21 AM, said:

Ok, so here is the list of people that really need a deeper look: Lady Bliss, ADL, JPK, and Coltaine. I just finished the read through and the below is the best post from Bliss.

Lady Bliss, on 26 April 2016 - 04:35 PM, said:

Ok, after skimming through I'm left with the following perceptions:

1) my gut says Tatts is playing way too over the top to be a killer. I could see him more as a symp.
2) Role speculation does stink. I feel like it just helps scum with trying to look like they are participating early, and can be a vehicle for scum to spot roled townies.
3) Khell isn't posting enough.
4) Tapper is posting more than I remember. I'll have to do a post count on the last couple of games to confirm.

TBH I'm leaning towards Khell
I
OR Nom

remove vote

I need to take a deeper dive in looking at posts.

Rarely belligerent and more in for a joke grudge on Nom, Bliss is laying low (which is a pattern with her I think, but this also makes her a dangerous one to ignore)

Lady Bliss, on 27 April 2016 - 12:27 PM, said:

Macros, on 27 April 2016 - 08:44 AM, said:

Have done a sort of reread,well up to page 3 properly then a skip through, have work to do.That's page 3, at 40ppp, the way real mean read the forum.My scribbled notes from the first 3 pages yielded me this.If Andorion were silencer, Id vote for him right now for being too smooth. He calmly backtracks to aline his reasoning with other players, and happily joins in the light hearted banter where ever it appears, totally unflustered by attention he has garnered. But he's not, so I won't, for now. My main beef with Andorion was post #27, with less than 50% of players even checked in, 'lets.get srs' and starts role speculation, pro town role speculation.Then when Tatts follows up and says that we all want to be on the same page with game outline (paraphrased) And does a nice little semi reverse sidestep to aline with this a bit more. Not that it helps him, tatts still chases after And anyway.Mess, had the early doors joke on Khell, and has been almost nauseatingly helpful, even pointing out to newbs who usually dies etc, potential set up for survivor framing?? (rampant speculation)Tatts, ah tatts, still numero uno for me, and it nearly.all cycles back to that post on page one, 'lets get everyone on ehte same basic outline early doors (paraphrased) he backs up his suspicions of And by highlighting it was other players (me and khell) that were suspicious of And dorion, as if to say, see other guys picked it up.first, if we lynch him and he's town, well it was their fault (supposition by myself based on a purely theoretical chain of events)And HO. I'll have to go back and find the post by HO that annoyed me, it jumped off the page at me there but tying to multiwiote and stuff on the phone is just a no, hence the stream of discombobulated thoughts.TLDR - I am suspicious of several players for several reasons (it was nom, drive by vote on Andorion noted, page one hoping for a runaway bandwagon fueled by tatts, khell.and macros suspicions possibly? Further investigation required)Notably Andorion, Tatts, Mess and HO. Quick question, is there an easy way to see one players posts in the thread, like 'show me every post macros has made in this thread, only.macros' posts'?

Andorion, on 27 April 2016 - 08:47 AM, said:

Looking back, back HO seems to have jumped on pretty fast and then backed out again.

Tattersail_, on 27 April 2016 - 08:51 AM, said:

Remove voteFinished my read up, i'm leaning towards voting for HO, thanks to Sergei's case but also the way HO comes onto the thread, quotes a few people, votes Andorion, says he's finished his DKT style catch up

HiddenOne, on 26 April 2016 - 02:29 PM, said:

DKT style catch up^TM is complete, so back to work - I'm out of time to slack off

Yet he added no content, replied to a few quotes with cheeky one liners, and hurtfully didn't mention me once. Sounds bitchy doesn't it, but if you look, Andorion, Messremb, Tapper, Macros, Dhenrabi, had all mentioned me, quoted me and I'd been voted. He doesn't mention Ando's 2 votes on him, nothing mentioned by HO just a little vote on Ando which puts him number 3 on the train. He mentions Macros talking about Ando and mechanics but doesn't mention me talking about them. Skating by as usual. Vote HO

I go to sleep and now have several pages to catch up again... My first thought here is wtf?! Mac mentions HO, then Ando, so then Tatts votes him in rapid succession?

This is odd having Bliss stand up for HO as well. I think she is after Macros (who has seemed a lot more cheery than I remember him), but there is a lot of alarm over HO in both directions. It's a good distraction, but whether it is a distraction away from someone else's guilt or HO's role, I am not sure.



JPK is riding the newb role a bit hard, and I agree with Khell that we cannot just let them slide, even if Tapper ordered only puppies and rainbows for their first game. No, what I am worried about is one of our newbs is getting outside coaching from a more experienced player and just playing up their inexperience (or hiding experience in the case of our sea caterpillar). And now JPK is turning the tables on Khell, an interesting approach to raise ire for the newbie hater...

ADL is usually like this right? Shy, more like a quiet HO? Seriously, there is not much to go off of on the guy. I am really not sure what to do with him, but I don't like him tickling my paranoia...

Gust Hubb, on 28 April 2016 - 03:23 AM, said:

Andorion, on 28 April 2016 - 03:21 AM, said:

Just Plain Kitsu, on 28 April 2016 - 03:09 AM, said:

I'm curious to see if he responds to this one Ando, since he ignored me both times that I've pointed out this behavior previously. I'd also like to point out that in the post where he voted Tatts, he mentioned he did it because he doesn't like people being helpful to newbies. Dislike of newbies + death of Sierg? Weak, I know. But it's still something to think on.

At this stage we can't afford to narrow down our thoughts and actions yet. If he hated being helpful to newbies, why was he silent on Mess? That was half of what Mess was doing.

A little busy, but I want to list out Lady Bliss, Khell and HO as well. After that we can see if we can't find a pattern.

Also irritatingly enough, the NK on Mess does not tell us much. Any veteran would be uncomfortable with Mess as he is devious. I thought he was scum as he was being so nice. I kept quiet and had planned to keep a sharp eye on him for Day 2.

As a counter, if the killer is a newbie, he might want to take out this vocal player who is everywhere

So the kill could have come from Town or Scum. On the other Serg's kill is more interesting. I don't think anybody would take "Scum likes lists" seriously enough to kill, but maybe the list caught something?

Serg has to be the scum kill. It is a classic throw the thread into confusion. Was it his vote on Gust? Was it his newb status and thus a target for the haters? Did someone see danger in his thought processes?

Just a thought, but what if Tapper killed him? That would be an interesting distancing approach, no?

Good posts.

Regarding Bliss
I agree Tatts is more Symp than killer.
No, Khell is not posting enough. Which is worrying'
Tapper is posting more? WTF. Not at all

She is lying low, but I have nothing direct on her. Will try to do a full thread thing on her.

I have considered the scum combination. I think a newb-veteran killer duo, with a veteran symp for good measure would be a deadly combination. The newb could literally hang out in plain sight and post newbie misleading stuff fed in by a lover conversation.

Tapper.... I have not ruled him out completely. A verifiable RL issue is the best alibi, couple that with his stay of the newb post, a Serg NK and the above mentioned Scum combo

[Andorion]

Lady Bliss, on 26 April 2016 - 03:24 AM, said:

vote Nom
Because...

And hallooooo to the thread!

Lady Bliss, on 26 April 2016 - 04:20 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 26 April 2016 - 03:25 PM, said:

Gust Hubb, on 26 April 2016 - 03:15 PM, said:

I initially was leaning Andorian. We have had good luck in the past going after the first person to bring up mechanics. If Tatts wasn't acting so weird I would lean more that way.

In what way am I acting weird?
(if it is my play style that you are unfamiliar with, I have been playing this way for the past few games).

IMO you usually look scummy and I want to lynch you Tatts. I haven't decided yet whether your play style is worth a day one lynch for this game.

Lady Bliss, on 26 April 2016 - 04:35 PM, said:

Ok, after skimming through I'm left with the following perceptions:

1) my gut says Tatts is playing way too over the top to be a killer. I could see him more as a symp.
2) Role speculation does stink. I feel like it just helps scum with trying to look like they are participating early, and can be a vehicle for scum to spot roled townies.
3) Khell isn't posting enough.
4) Tapper is posting more than I remember. I'll have to do a post count on the last couple of games to confirm.

TBH I'm leaning towards Khell
I
OR Nom

remove vote

I need to take a deeper dive in looking at posts.

Lady Bliss, on 26 April 2016 - 11:31 PM, said:

Itwas Nom, on 26 April 2016 - 08:03 PM, said:

I wasn't too careful with my vote because, as someone mentioned, we're at 17 players so one vote weighs less here than it does usually in m&p

Scummiest post so far.
So you aren't worried where you lay your vote down since you are just a member of the mob?

Lady Bliss, on 26 April 2016 - 11:35 PM, said:

Coltaine93, on 26 April 2016 - 09:06 PM, said:

Okay, now I understood why it is better to lynch someone on day one. But still a difficult decision.
But hey, 16 hours left. I will go to sleep and decide tomorrow

See Nom? Even a noob understands that we don't just drop votes without a solid reason.

No offense Coltaine93 and welcome

Lady Bliss, on 27 April 2016 - 12:27 PM, said:

Macros, on 27 April 2016 - 08:44 AM, said:

Have done a sort of reread,well up to page 3 properly then a skip through, have work to do.That's page 3, at 40ppp, the way real mean read the forum.My scribbled notes from the first 3 pages yielded me this.If Andorion were silencer, Id vote for him right now for being too smooth. He calmly backtracks to aline his reasoning with other players, and happily joins in the light hearted banter where ever it appears, totally unflustered by attention he has garnered. But he's not, so I won't, for now. My main beef with Andorion was post #27, with less than 50% of players even checked in, 'lets.get srs' and starts role speculation, pro town role speculation.Then when Tatts follows up and says that we all want to be on the same page with game outline (paraphrased) And does a nice little semi reverse sidestep to aline with this a bit more. Not that it helps him, tatts still chases after And anyway.Mess, had the early doors joke on Khell, and has been almost nauseatingly helpful, even pointing out to newbs who usually dies etc, potential set up for survivor framing?? (rampant speculation)Tatts, ah tatts, still numero uno for me, and it nearly.all cycles back to that post on page one, 'lets get everyone on ehte same basic outline early doors (paraphrased) he backs up his suspicions of And by highlighting it was other players (me and khell) that were suspicious of And dorion, as if to say, see other guys picked it up.first, if we lynch him and he's town, well it was their fault (supposition by myself based on a purely theoretical chain of events)And HO. I'll have to go back and find the post by HO that annoyed me, it jumped off the page at me there but tying to multiwiote and stuff on the phone is just a no, hence the stream of discombobulated thoughts.TLDR - I am suspicious of several players for several reasons (it was nom, drive by vote on Andorion noted, page one hoping for a runaway bandwagon fueled by tatts, khell.and macros suspicions possibly? Further investigation required)Notably Andorion, Tatts, Mess and HO. Quick question, is there an easy way to see one players posts in the thread, like 'show me every post macros has made in this thread, only.macros' posts'?

Andorion, on 27 April 2016 - 08:47 AM, said:

Looking back, back HO seems to have jumped on pretty fast and then backed out again.

Tattersail_, on 27 April 2016 - 08:51 AM, said:

Remove voteFinished my read up, i'm leaning towards voting for HO, thanks to Sergei's case but also the way HO comes onto the thread, quotes a few people, votes Andorion, says he's finished his DKT style catch up

HiddenOne, on 26 April 2016 - 02:29 PM, said:

DKT style catch up^TM is complete, so back to work - I'm out of time to slack off

Yet he added no content, replied to a few quotes with cheeky one liners, and hurtfully didn't mention me once. Sounds bitchy doesn't it, but if you look, Andorion, Messremb, Tapper, Macros, Dhenrabi, had all mentioned me, quoted me and I'd been voted. He doesn't mention Ando's 2 votes on him, nothing mentioned by HO just a little vote on Ando which puts him number 3 on the train. He mentions Macros talking about Ando and mechanics but doesn't mention me talking about them. Skating by as usual. Vote HO

I go to sleep and now have several pages to catch up again... My first thought here is wtf?! Mac mentions HO, then Ando, so then Tatts votes him in rapid succession?

Lady Bliss, on 27 April 2016 - 12:43 PM, said:

Itwas Nom, on 27 April 2016 - 11:41 AM, said:

Lunchbreak

I've somehow managed to skimm through prolly missing number of posts

I'd like to change my vote but I'm not sure where, my current candidates would be

HO, I don't really have a reason, he already posted more than he did in his las two games it seems and is coasting as he did in those games, but he still only adds very little content. Exactly what he played last games like. Guess I just don't like it.

Mess speculated on players very little, placed no serious vote until now, basically trying not to create too much waves around. Usually thread seems to be all around him when he's high poster, but this time he's in the background despite the high number of his posts. I haven't really realised his presence until now

I don't klnow how much time is left and I think I should switch to HO for being HO, which is at the moment better option for me than Ando with whose later contribution I have to admit I feel satisfied

remove vote


vote Mess

You should switch your vote to HO then vote Mess?

Lady Bliss, on 27 April 2016 - 12:58 PM, said:

So at this point I feel like Nom's play has been the most dodgy. His reasoning for his vote on Ando because he wanted to throw a vote down and didn't think it mattered since there were so many other players just doesn't sit right. Now it looks like he will vote for just about anyone else to not be lynched, but he doesn't provide a solid reason for his votes.

vote Nom

Lady Bliss, on 27 April 2016 - 01:26 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 27 April 2016 - 01:15 PM, said:

50 minutes roughly.

I don't see a lynch other than a non lynch.

remove vote

I'll vote that way if we don't get the numbers, I'll give it another 20 minutes.

The problem with not lynching is that we end up reliving day 1 asking why there was resistance. YOU should know this.

So this is Lady B, seems consistently on Nom's case and honestly can't blame her as Nom did not play like Town at all.

[Andorion]

Dhenrabi, on 26 April 2016 - 03:49 PM, said:

I'm not too comfortable with the speed of the Tattersail wagon. I won't be around for quite a while, because of Koningsnacht/dag (Tapper will understand) so I'm going to change my vote for now.

[Vote lynch Coltaine93]


I have just skimmed most of the thread up to this point. I might be back before phase end to read up properly, but I'm not sure.

Did anybody else think this was rather strange?

Have to go off now. Seems like a very full day, probably won't be back for another 8 hours.



Khell and HO need to be looked at

[JPK]

Andorion, on 28 April 2016 - 04:25 AM, said:

Dhenrabi, on 26 April 2016 - 03:49 PM, said:

I'm not too comfortable with the speed of the Tattersail wagon. I won't be around for quite a while, because of Koningsnacht/dag (Tapper will understand) so I'm going to change my vote for now.

[Vote lynch Coltaine93]


I have just skimmed most of the thread up to this point. I might be back before phase end to read up properly, but I'm not sure.

Did anybody else think this was rather strange?

Have to go off now. Seems like a very full day, probably won't be back for another 8 hours.



Khell and HO need to be looked at

I was thinking the Coltaine vote swarmed odd and out of place as well. Especially since he hasn't given any real reason for it. Sure, he changed it later, but still...

[JPK]

And It's tone for me to crash out as well. See all of you tomorrow.