[Macros]

well shit, not overly surprised that itwasn'tnom (will rep for that post game demon lhama, groan worthy ounnage that it was).

Am wrapping up at this job here now, the next site I know has no signal, but should only (hopefully) be there for an hour or two, should be able to sit down with the laptop by 10pm the latest this evening

[Coltaine -]

Gnaw, on 27 April 2016 - 05:46 PM, said:

Night 1:

Messremb is dead. He was RI

Sergiej is dead. He was RI

It is day 2. 36 hours remain


14 players alive: ADL, Andorion, Blend, Bliss, Bubba, Coltain93, Dhenrabi, Gusty, HO, Khell, Kitsu, Macros, Tapper, Tatts


8 votes to lynch, 7 votes to night.

Votes:



Players not voted: ADL, Andorion, Blend, Bliss, Bubba, Coltain93, Dhenrabi, Gusty, HO, Khell, Kitsu, Macros, Tapper, Tatts

Dammit. Two kills? Looks like Andorions guess from the beginning was correct

[Andorion]

Damn I am way too tired to deal with this right now.

Khell started the train on Nom and Macros, Bliss and LB were in at the end. One of these could quite possibly be scum I guess?

I am going to bed. Maybe things will look better in the morning

[Lady Bliss]

Andorion, on 27 April 2016 - 06:13 PM, said:

Damn I am way too tired to deal with this right now.

Khell started the train on Nom and Macros, Bliss and LB were in at the end. One of these could quite possibly be scum I guess?

I am going to bed. Maybe things will look better in the morning

Bliss and LB are the same person unless you mean L'il Bubba...

[Blend]

Lady Bliss, on 27 April 2016 - 06:16 PM, said:

Andorion, on 27 April 2016 - 06:13 PM, said:

Damn I am way too tired to deal with this right now.

Khell started the train on Nom and Macros, Bliss and LB were in at the end. One of these could quite possibly be scum I guess?

I am going to bed. Maybe things will look better in the morning

Bliss and LB are the same person unless you mean L'il Bubba...

Well that's what I'm going to call him from now on...

[bubba]

Blend, on 27 April 2016 - 06:36 PM, said:

Lady Bliss, on 27 April 2016 - 06:16 PM, said:

Andorion, on 27 April 2016 - 06:13 PM, said:

Damn I am way too tired to deal with this right now.

Khell started the train on Nom and Macros, Bliss and LB were in at the end. One of these could quite possibly be scum I guess?

I am going to bed. Maybe things will look better in the morning

Bliss and LB are the same person unless you mean L'il Bubba...

Well that's what I'm going to call him from now on...

[bubba]

Well that sucks 3RI gone

The lynch? Day one is all I can say about that. Everyone is looking at the train, I'm more interested in who wasn't on it. The best hiding place on a train is never getting on in the first place.

Mess? Grudge killing? taking out the helpful players? I'm willing to bet Mess was high up on a few lists.

Sergiej? Who said we should kill/lynch the new players? I remember reading that. Kell?

[JPK]

Andorion, on 27 April 2016 - 06:13 PM, said:

Damn I am way too tired to deal with this right now.

Khell started the train on Nom and Macros, Bliss and LB were in at the end. One of these could quite possibly be scum I guess?

I am going to bed. Maybe things will look better in the morning

I'm going to reference my earlier post and vote here. Macros helped start the Ando train, quickly jumped to the Tatter-Train, and vote-hopped at the end to help get Nom out. He's also a vet and that would make it reasonable for him to target either if the night kills. Mess cause we all know he's a strong player, or Sierg since he's a new unknown.

Just putting it out there for thought.

[Coltaine -]

Bubba, on 27 April 2016 - 07:03 PM, said:

Well that sucks 3RI gone

The lynch? Day one is all I can say about that. Everyone is looking at the train, I'm more interested in who wasn't on it. The best hiding place on a train is never getting on in the first place.

Mess? Grudge killing? taking out the helpful players? I'm willing to bet Mess was high up on a few lists.

Sergiej? Who said we should kill/lynch the new players? I remember reading that. Kell?

We have on kill from the killers and one from the vig. Propably. Can a vig also be part of the scum?
Assumption: Vig is from the town
So we have to take for both kills into account why the killers wanted to see them dead and why the vig could have thought that they are killers. If the vig is one of us we could lose another town member by killing him.

I would guess that Mess was killed by the killers, maybe for being to helpful, or being to good as a player.

And Sergiej had good posts. But I can't find a reason for someone to think he was part of the scum. So maybe reverse? Sergiej killed by killers and Mess by vig? Sergiej voted against Gust Hubb. Can't remember why. I will search the post.

[JPK]

Coltaine93, on 27 April 2016 - 07:20 PM, said:

Bubba, on 27 April 2016 - 07:03 PM, said:

Well that sucks 3RI gone

The lynch? Day one is all I can say about that. Everyone is looking at the train, I'm more interested in who wasn't on it. The best hiding place on a train is never getting on in the first place.

Mess? Grudge killing? taking out the helpful players? I'm willing to bet Mess was high up on a few lists.

Sergiej? Who said we should kill/lynch the new players? I remember reading that. Kell?

We have on kill from the killers and one from the vig. Propably. Can a vig also be part of the scum?
Assumption: Vig is from the town
So we have to take for both kills into account why the killers wanted to see them dead and why the vig could have thought that they are killers. If the vig is one of us we could lose another town member by killing him.

I would guess that Mess was killed by the killers, maybe for being to helpful, or being to good as a player.

And Sergiej had good posts. But I can't find a reason for someone to think he was part of the scum. So maybe reverse? Sergiej killed by killers and Mess by vig? Sergiej voted against Gust Hubb. Can't remember why. I will search the post.

A reason for vig to target Sierg was the list. I think it was Bliss who pointed out "scum love lists"

[Coltaine -]

Just Plain Kitsu, on 27 April 2016 - 07:24 PM, said:

Coltaine93, on 27 April 2016 - 07:20 PM, said:

Bubba, on 27 April 2016 - 07:03 PM, said:

Well that sucks 3RI gone

The lynch? Day one is all I can say about that. Everyone is looking at the train, I'm more interested in who wasn't on it. The best hiding place on a train is never getting on in the first place.

Mess? Grudge killing? taking out the helpful players? I'm willing to bet Mess was high up on a few lists.

Sergiej? Who said we should kill/lynch the new players? I remember reading that. Kell?

We have on kill from the killers and one from the vig. Propably. Can a vig also be part of the scum?
Assumption: Vig is from the town
So we have to take for both kills into account why the killers wanted to see them dead and why the vig could have thought that they are killers. If the vig is one of us we could lose another town member by killing him.

I would guess that Mess was killed by the killers, maybe for being to helpful, or being to good as a player.

And Sergiej had good posts. But I can't find a reason for someone to think he was part of the scum. So maybe reverse? Sergiej killed by killers and Mess by vig? Sergiej voted against Gust Hubb. Can't remember why. I will search the post.

A reason for vig to target Sierg was the list. I think it was Bliss who pointed out "scum love lists"

Okay, forgot about that.

Siergiej, on 26 April 2016 - 09:48 PM, said:

Initially I was most suspicious of team vote Andorion but after a re-read (more like re-skim to be fair) I think that would expose them too much. Throwing accusations at Tatts is more defensible and an opportunity to stir things up at the same time, with fueling the tension. Dhenrabi retracted his vote for Tatts and Macros actually backtracked to this conclusion after going after Andorion, so that leaves me with Gust. This is a looong shot and I might be reading way too much into things, but here it goes:

Vote GustHubb

Don't think that this is enough to justify killing him to protect Gust.

Blend, on 26 April 2016 - 11:46 PM, said:

Messremb, on 26 April 2016 - 11:44 PM, said:

Blend, on 26 April 2016 - 11:37 PM, said:

Dare I say it non-newbies? Dare I?

Go on, be a devil

Scum love lists!!!

So probably this killed him

[JPK]

Thanks for digging it up Coltaine. Sorry Bliss. I can't wait til I'm back on laptop.

[Blend]

Curse you new players! I don't remember which one of you it was, or if it was more than one of you even, but one of the new players at least was making some very good arguments yesterday - if that player was Sergiej, that could very well be the reason he was killed.

One thing, though - everyone is assuming a Vig - I was about to say it could be a Faceless Man, but that's not possible without playing in game alts...

So other things it COULD be is a Serial Killer, though usually a SK is announced in the OP.

Guess it's not a stretch that there's a vig in game. If that's the case, I'd say that Messremb was likely the vig's target. I know that if I had gotten the vig role, I probably couldn't have resisted from killing off Mess.

[Blend]

Siergiej, on 26 April 2016 - 06:54 PM, said:

I'm also not convinced by the Andorion mentioned mechanics therefore scum thinking, so I'm leaning towards suspecting one of the people who jumped on the lynching Andorion bandwagon, as an easy way to quickly kill off a townie. These people are:
Nom, HiddenOne, Kitsu

This, for example, was a very astute note - obviously ItWasn'tNom, but one of our killers could be HO or Kitsu panicking at being named, and deciding we might as well off the person who noticed it.

Of course, I'm more inclined to think that the kills had nothing to do with yesterday's cases... Just kills of opportunity.

[Coltaine -]

Okay, good night everybody. I will be back in some hours

[Macros]

home from work but have a shit ton of stuff to get typed up, will endevour to get a proper post made before going to bed

[Macros]

nah, i'm going to bed, shattered

[Andorion]

Coltaine93, on 27 April 2016 - 07:20 PM, said:

Bubba, on 27 April 2016 - 07:03 PM, said:

Well that sucks 3RI gone

The lynch? Day one is all I can say about that. Everyone is looking at the train, I'm more interested in who wasn't on it. The best hiding place on a train is never getting on in the first place.

Mess? Grudge killing? taking out the helpful players? I'm willing to bet Mess was high up on a few lists.

Sergiej? Who said we should kill/lynch the new players? I remember reading that. Kell?

We have on kill from the killers and one from the vig. Propably. Can a vig also be part of the scum?
Assumption: Vig is from the town
So we have to take for both kills into account why the killers wanted to see them dead and why the vig could have thought that they are killers. If the vig is one of us we could lose another town member by killing him.

I would guess that Mess was killed by the killers, maybe for being to helpful, or being to good as a player.

And Sergiej had good posts. But I can't find a reason for someone to think he was part of the scum. So maybe reverse? Sergiej killed by killers and Mess by vig? Sergiej voted against Gust Hubb. Can't remember why. I will search the post.

Blend, on 27 April 2016 - 08:22 PM, said:

Curse you new players! I don't remember which one of you it was, or if it was more than one of you even, but one of the new players at least was making some very good arguments yesterday - if that player was Sergiej, that could very well be the reason he was killed.

One thing, though - everyone is assuming a Vig - I was about to say it could be a Faceless Man, but that's not possible without playing in game alts...

So other things it COULD be is a Serial Killer, though usually a SK is announced in the OP.

Guess it's not a stretch that there's a vig in game. If that's the case, I'd say that Messremb was likely the vig's target. I know that if I had gotten the vig role, I probably couldn't have resisted from killing off Mess.

Serg got taken out because he was being helpful and insightful. Seems pretty clear.

Mess.... to be honest I thought Mess was a Symp. After his defence of HO I was 60% sure. If there is a Town Vig and this is a big If, it could be an independent, then they may have thought Mess to be scum as well

[Andorion]

Gnaw, on 27 April 2016 - 05:39 PM, said:

Macros, on 27 April 2016 - 01:29 PM, said:

blargh, cross post, Bliss said basically the same thing I was, we'll just rehash this tomorrow.

remove vote
vote Nom

As of here, that's a lynch.


It is day 1.


17 players alive: ADL, Andorion, Blend, Bliss, Bubba, Coltain93, Dhenrabi, Gusty, HO, Itwas Nom, Khell, Kitsu, Macros, Mess, Sergiej, Tapper, Tatts


9 votes to lynch, 9 votes to night.

Votes:



1 vote Gusty: Sergiej,

9 votes Nom: Khell, Andorion, Blend, Coltain93, Mess, Gusty, Bubba, Bliss, Macros

2 votes HO: Tatts, Nom,

1 vote Macros: Kitsu,

Players not voted: Tapper, Dhenrabi, HO, ADL,




ItWasNom is dead. He was RI.

So this is the lynch train. Bubba, Bliss and Macros came in at the end.

Bubba, on 27 April 2016 - 07:03 PM, said:

Well that sucks 3RI gone

The lynch? Day one is all I can say about that. Everyone is looking at the train, I'm more interested in who wasn't on it. The best hiding place on a train is never getting on in the first place.

Mess? Grudge killing? taking out the helpful players? I'm willing to bet Mess was high up on a few lists.

Sergiej? Who said we should kill/lynch the new players? I remember reading that. Kell?

Looking at people not on the Lynch train maybe a good idea, but this could also be an attempt to deflect from the fact that Bubba himself was on it in the end.

So people who were not on it:

Serg
Tatts: A good case could be made against him. Macros would agree
Nom
Kitsu: Low poster
Dhenrabi: Need to check
HO: Got into trouble. Tatts could make a good case against him
ADL: Absent for most of the day.
Tapper: Had a European festival thing?

Just Plain Kitsu, on 27 April 2016 - 07:14 PM, said:

Andorion, on 27 April 2016 - 06:13 PM, said:

Damn I am way too tired to deal with this right now.

Khell started the train on Nom and Macros, Bliss and LB were in at the end. One of these could quite possibly be scum I guess?

I am going to bed. Maybe things will look better in the morning

I'm going to reference my earlier post and vote here. Macros helped start the Ando train, quickly jumped to the Tatter-Train, and vote-hopped at the end to help get Nom out. He's also a vet and that would make it reasonable for him to target either if the night kills. Mess cause we all know he's a strong player, or Sierg since he's a new unknown.

Just putting it out there for thought.

This is a good point and he was last on the lynch train.


So from the lynch train I want to look at Bubba and Macros

and from the others, Tatts, Dhenrabi, HO

Outside chance? Khell, who started the Nom train.

Thoughts people?

[Andorion]

Bubba, on 26 April 2016 - 08:19 PM, said:

Messremb, on 26 April 2016 - 08:06 PM, said:

Bubba, where you got to?

I just got home and have read up. I need to go back and reread, there is just so much to process. The gut reaction is Hidden ones drive by vote on the ando train, but need to re-look at tats wishy washy play.

Bubba, on 26 April 2016 - 11:18 PM, said:

after much nashing of teeth HO stands out most to me, Tatts ...well fuck him for the moment, we will see how He plays out. Having watched him change style on a whim I will wait and gage him over time.

vote HO


his play is much to deliberate.

Bubba, on 27 April 2016 - 12:16 PM, said:

I'm on a frost delay, can't mow until it melts. I
Still like my vote on HO, but I'm going to swap over to the Nom train just to help get the numbers, and the case is better than the read I have on HO anyway.

Remove vote
Vote Nom.

Edit... I can't tell if that came out bolded....on my phone.

PS please consider that bolded text.

Bubba, on 27 April 2016 - 07:03 PM, said:

Well that sucks 3RI gone

The lynch? Day one is all I can say about that. Everyone is looking at the train, I'm more interested in who wasn't on it. The best hiding place on a train is never getting on in the first place.

Mess? Grudge killing? taking out the helpful players? I'm willing to bet Mess was high up on a few lists.

Sergiej? Who said we should kill/lynch the new players? I remember reading that. Kell?

Right, so here we have Bubba, he started strongly on HO, but switched quite late to Nom with a standard "We need the Day 1 lynch excuse"

Hmmm may need to look at exactly how the last 4 or so votes came in on Nom