Apt, on 15 February 2017 - 02:27 PM, said:
Just watched this and the montage in the middle actually made me tear up a little.
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=K36h3Ez6epc
What did you guys think of the great betrayal? I thought the actual beatdown was a bit weak but I was shocked. We all knew something would happen eventually but not like this. Not like this.
Where do you guys think the KO/Jericho story is going?
The conversation KO had with HHH suggests that HHH made KO betray Jericho, but why? Just because he was weak? Because he wasn't helping KO enough? Oooor could this all be a ruse? Did KO beat up Jericho because this could make Jericho a double agent? Make Jericho pretend to help Goldberg at fastlane and then do a turn?
I think that is too convoluted. More likely they are aiming for Goldberg winning the belt, Lesnar challenging for the belt at Wrestlemania... Lesnar winning the belt and going on run with it?
Meanwhile we get a KO vs Jericho at Mania? Because Jericho interfers and ensures Goldberg wins the belt?
Personally I am happy that they're breaking up KO and Jericho. I think they are funny together but Owens has been turning into a chickenshit heel during the past year, instead of the serious contender and powerful ruthless heel he was presented as before. Owens having to rely on Jericho all the time to win is classic heel writing but it made Owens look too weak in my book.
If KO could go toe to toe with Cena when he arrived, he shouldn't be afraid to fight Roman Reigns or Goldberg. I'm not saying he should be able to beat them but he should be crazy enough to actually want the fight. It's in his persona, fight Owens fight.
EDIT: Also what do you guys think of Wyat vs Orton? I suspect that Wyat retains the belt at Wrestlemania and Orton begins a feud with Lesnar that ends at Summerslam, assuming Lesnar wins the Universal Champion belt at Wrestlemania. It would make sense to bring back the feud, since it never made sense that Orton just let that fight go.
I think it makes more sense to further the Goldberg/Lesnar feud by having Lesnar interfere at Fastlane not Jericho. The problem though is that unless Lesnar costs Goldberg the title at this point, Goldberg has no logical reason to accept Lesnars rematch - he's already embarrassed him twice, Babyface always accepts is a stupid reason to put both the title and his beast-killing legacy in jeapardy. If Lesnar costs him the title that makes sense, plus Goldberg/ Lesnar does not need the title for a big fight feel (and two part timers shouldn't be shafting an entire roster anyhow), however, at this point with the way in which the story would seem to be progressing, Owens continuing to hold the belt post-fastlane makes even less sense. His only logical opponent going forward would be Jericho and a Mania match between the two of them for both belts is just stupid, not least of all because Jericho is unlikely to be sticking around in anything like his current capacity after Mania - due to all his upcomig Fozzy related commitments in the summer - making the winner a forgone conclusion - I fully expect Owens to be holding the US title belt after Mania. If, however, Lesnar interferes and Goldberg still wins, Lesnar looks even weaker and Goldberg still has zero reason to accept the challenge at Mania. I suppose what they could do is have Jericho interfere as you suggesting, costing Owens the title and furthering their feud, then have Lesnar win a Number one Contenders match of some kind to force the Goldberg confrontation. This seems to logical for the current crop of WWE writers though, I fear instead they'll have Goldberg squash Owens - possibly with Jericho's interference - and then accept Lesnar's challenge in a pointless face off for no earthly reason. Thereby handing a title shot to an undeserving part-timer who has been shackled into a wrestling style that showcases less than a tenth of the ability we know he has in favour of the increasingly boring Suplex City shtick, against another undeserving part timer who's best days are 15 years behind him; leaving those members of the roster who show up every week and do everything the E's punishing schedule demands of them to wonder what they ever have to do to overcome Vince's hardon for nostalgia. The only way I see this Lesnar/Goldberg match not bombing hard is if Lesnar is truly allowed to showcase what he can do, let him wrestle like his Angle classics knowing Goldberg cannot match his skill or speed, ground him, frustrate him and eventually punish him for his over reliance on power moves.
As for the betrayal, I genuinely loved it precisely because it was honestly hard to watch, Jericho was brilliant - when he is on form he is GOAT material, at least as far as charisma, presence and mic work are considered. I can say I've seen more vicious looking beatdowns in the past - pre PG really helped on that front - but I wouldn't call it particularly weak, in this heavily toned down era that pop up powerbomb to the apron always looks painful. I agree with you about splitting them up for Owens' own good as well, really think that this feud could have a great blow off that really moves Owens away from the chickenshit stuff and back to the Fight Owens Fight persona. People who have Mania matches with Jericho tend to do very well afterwards as well, regardless of the result tbh.
Wyatt/Orton I'm very happy about, love Wyatt - Bray is one of the big reasons I got back into the WWE a few years ago - and Orton is atechnically great wrestler who can deliver great matches when he is focused and interested - it's been a long time since he was this focused as well. The current direction with Orton refusing to fight the charismatic cult leader is only feuling my interest as well, genuinely feel the story and psychology here, not to mention epic Wyatt promos, makes this a potential MotN at Mania - depending on how Styles is booked at any rate. I don't see Orton going near Lesnar for some time though, at this point itseems clear that plans have been made this way to further push Super-Reigns. That is to say, Reigns goes over Taker (worst idea for a Mania match ever) so Lesnar isn't the only conqueror, then Reigns defeats Lesnar for the title sometime going forward making him the undisputed bad -ass Vince wants him to be, worst of all I still don't see a full heel turn coming. I wouldn't be completely surprised if Goldberg stuck around to job to Reigns in a battle of the spears as well tbh. I'll happily admit I was wrong if Reigns doesn't beat Taker of course, but I think a Lesnar/Reigns title match with Reigns the victor is all but guaranteed sometime this year.
I'm so much more excited for the potential Smackdown matches at this years Mania, but I'm very worried that Styles, Cena, Ambrose and The Miz - the men who have carried Smackdown Live - are going to be shafted to varying degrees and not receive what they deserve - less worried about Cena, he's already had everything tbh - as part of Vince's ill-conceived attempts to make sure people don't see Smackdown as a threat to his baby, RAW :/
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