[Aranatha]

Togg, on 01 April 2016 - 02:58 AM, said:

Usually those with a role tend to talk about it most. I speculated about extra alts looking at what was in the OP. Out of no where Grasp decides to talk about Rangers and pets. I've never played DnD unless it was a mafia game.

Monok backed him up then early on and has just done the same again.

Monok looks like he's symping Grasp. Coincidence?

Yeah but in a game where everyone has a role do you think that'll still hold true?

Ryllandaras, on 01 April 2016 - 05:06 AM, said:

I'd agree that people who start talking about a specific roles intricacies generally have that role.*
I disagree that Rangers having animal companions is not common sense DnD knowldege. It is, I don't play DnD and I knew it.

Basically, I agree that Grasp or MO have at least one Ranger between them, but not because they displayed any insider knowledge of the role, but simply because they talked about it.


* I may or may not have been lynched for that reason once.

I have certainly been lynched for that reason.

Ryll thinks it holds true. Therefore they think there is a 1/3 chance of a Ranger between the two of them being a Bridgeburner, no chance of being a Bonehunter and 2/3 chance of being a Fifth. Assuming of course that one of them is a Ranger and pinning down which of the two it is

[Togg]

Well I don't mind voting Aranatha as he also shows his willingness to vote for me.

Ok people think pets is a common enough thing in DnD so I'll drop that aspect (unless there's only 6 people arguing that)

However I stand by him bringing up the Ranger role and ONLY the Ranger role makes him look like a Ranger. 2/3 says he is high level fifth.

[Aranatha]

Togg, on 01 April 2016 - 06:45 AM, said:

Well I don't mind voting Aranatha as he also shows his willingness to vote for me.

Ok people think pets is a common enough thing in DnD so I'll drop that aspect (unless there's only 6 people arguing that)

However I stand by him bringing up the Ranger role and ONLY the Ranger role makes him look like a Ranger. 2/3 says he is high level fifth.

Togg, on 31 March 2016 - 07:18 PM, said:

Yet Grasp mentions that ability and Monok? Backs him up.

Would that be Grasp or MO?

[Lock]

Aranatha, on 31 March 2016 - 07:43 PM, said:

Could someone take a look at Togg, MO and Serc posts before and after the scenes please - I'm out shortly and wont be able to whilst out.

The fact the scenes all came in after 24 hous had passed may be of some significance? Thoughts?

Ask and yea shall receive Arantha.

Good morn all. Whilst Im happy to leave my vote on Togg as, well its day one and that's usually a shit fight, I would happily shift it to arantha, 50% due to me feelings with lynching Togg and there being some connection betwixt the two, 50% due to their posting and defensive response off my minor poke and 50% because

[Aranatha]

Lock, on 01 April 2016 - 07:15 AM, said:

Aranatha, on 31 March 2016 - 07:43 PM, said:

Could someone take a look at Togg, MO and Serc posts before and after the scenes please - I'm out shortly and wont be able to whilst out.

The fact the scenes all came in after 24 hous had passed may be of some significance? Thoughts?

Ask and yea shall receive Arantha.

Good morn all. Whilst Im happy to leave my vote on Togg as, well its day one and that's usually a shit fight, I would happily shift it to arantha, 50% due to me feelings with lynching Togg and there being some connection betwixt the two, 50% due to their posting and defensive response off my minor poke and 50% because

I humbly stand corrected

I had thought I asked MO to, oops. Never mind I was just doing Serc (so to speak) anyway

50% because what?

[Aranatha]

So since no-one else has bothered I checked up on Serc before and after the fire.

Before, 2 posts.

Serc, on 30 March 2016 - 09:50 PM, said:

Where's dwarves and gnomes? Has Ironforge fallen?

Surprisingly most-mainstream-classes-team is also most-non-mainstream-races-team

Checking in.

Serc, on 31 March 2016 - 02:42 PM, said:

Two (the higher ranks) of the rangers are both in the same faction.

Then the scene happens. If there was a takeover then this is where Serc loses control

Serc, on 31 March 2016 - 04:15 PM, said:

Well, I'm truly confused.

Serc, on 31 March 2016 - 04:45 PM, said:

I don't believe this to be your reason for that vote. Not that you really need one. So you have another reason you're trying to mask behind this. You were apparently online by the time I got scorched you are also likely to be the scorcher.

vote Aranatha

I'm trying to create another option as there's 10 or so hours left on clock, will switch to Togg if unsuccesful

Serc, on 31 March 2016 - 05:06 PM, said:

Yeah but they don't pull crap vote reasonings right from bull's ass.

And I'm not gonna answer, why the hell should I? Maybe you know the answer better than me.

Serc, on 01 April 2016 - 04:40 AM, said:

Mockra, on 01 April 2016 - 04:07 AM, said:

Has anybody noticed that Serc never responded to the Alt takeover theory? Its been around 11 hours since it was posted. Is he being deliberately kept inactive?

No.

My alt hasn't been taken over.

Togg, on 01 April 2016 - 02:58 AM, said:

Usually those with a role tend to talk about it most. I speculated about extra alts looking at what was in the OP. Out of no where Grasp decides to talk about Rangers and pets. I've never played DnD unless it was a mafia game.

Monok backed him up then early on and has just done the same again.

Monok looks like he's symping Grasp. Coincidence?

It is possible rangers can have animal companions. This post is completely off.

Contradiction between first and second sentence makes you look like you're the on with extra alts. Grasp clearly didn't decide to talk about rangers out of nowhere. Symping claim based on this discussion is such a crap.

Now there's not really enough there before the scene to get a feel for Sercs original play

One thing stands out to me - the mention of Ironforge in the first post implies a reasonable knowledge of the setting (yes I am now aware Ironforge is a WoW thing)

Sercs last post

Quote

It is possible rangers can have animal companions.

doesn't jive so well with someone with a pretty good understanding of the setting. "It is possible" sounds wishy-washy. I would have expected a definite "Rangers can have..." rather like Hanas says

Other than that nothing stands out to me.

Conclusion: not enough to go on

Disclaimer: I don't WoW, have never WoW'd and don't plan on starting soon

[Togg]

Grasp, on 31 March 2016 - 03:43 AM, said:

and the bacon hunt is on is see.

wasssup people.

Grasp comes onto the thread. There's a Fener Vote, dragon elf sex, Aranatha's post about vote/night count, his list of every member of every faction, there's me speculating about what role would bring people back to life, I mention Bard, Warlock, and Rogue yet this is what Grasp adds...

Grasp, on 31 March 2016 - 11:33 AM, said:

Togg, on 31 March 2016 - 09:17 AM, said:

So after a quick read up, the only ones that are in the game that may have extra alts are the Bard, through illusions and the Warlock who has a pact with another being potentially.

The other one I noticed is that the Rogue can control lynch situations.

Quote

Their abilities allow them to reduce damage to themselves as well as control various lynch conditions.

you left out rangers as rangers can choose to have petseats/animal companions in most if not all rpgs.

Then instead of letting Grasp respond to me, Monok jumps in.

Monok Ochem, on 31 March 2016 - 02:04 PM, said:

Togg, on 31 March 2016 - 11:55 AM, said:

Grasp, on 31 March 2016 - 11:33 AM, said:

Togg, on 31 March 2016 - 09:17 AM, said:

So after a quick read up, the only ones that are in the game that may have extra alts are the Bard, through illusions and the Warlock who has a pact with another being potentially.

The other one I noticed is that the Rogue can control lynch situations.

Quote

Their abilities allow them to reduce damage to themselves as well as control various lynch conditions.

you left out rangers as rangers can choose to have pets/beats/animal companions in most if not all rpgs.

How many rangers were there?

Just read up on them a second time..

Quote

Warriors of the wilderness, rangers specialize in hunting the monsters that threaten the edges of civilization—humanoid raiders, rampaging beasts and monstrosities, terrible giants, and deadly dragons. They learn to track their quarry as a predator does, moving stealthily through the wilds and hiding themselves in brush and rubble. Rangers focus their combat training on techniques that are particularly useful against their specific favored foes.

Thanks to their familiarity with the wilds, rangers acquire the ability to cast spells that harness nature’s power, much as a druid does. Their spells, like their combat abilities, emphasize speed, stealth, and the hunt. A ranger’s talents and abilities are honed with deadly focus on the grim task of protecting the borderlands.

Rangers are mainly offensive characters who tend to do more damage to specific types of targets. They use weapons and spells to damage to their enemies, and to help buff themselves and their party members.

It doesn't say anything about them having pets...

True but it seems likely they might get pets though as it does make mention to surviving in the wild and harnessing natures power

This is the first instance. So we have Grasp bringing up Rangers and Monok feeling the need to respond for him.

[Togg]

So Grasp's next contribution, attack.

I have no prior knowledge to DnD so I did not assume anything regarding roles, going off what we had in the OP, it only stated Rangers were the ones who killed beasts/dragons etc. Nothing mentioned them having companions or pets. That's not my point anyway.My point is he brought up the role first. Next being Monok feeling the need to defend him. Here is another example.

Grasp, on 31 March 2016 - 10:30 PM, said:

Ultama, on 31 March 2016 - 06:11 PM, said:

Grasp, on 31 March 2016 - 03:43 AM, said:

and the bacon hunt is on is see.

wasssup people.

There was no bacon hunt. There was a single vote on Fener. Grasp didn't seem to worried about a 'hunt' in any case. It could be Grasp knows Fener is not on his team. Which would mean he has quite a bit of information about his team to begin with.

...Or he could be happy about something happening day 1. What's your deal Grasp? You leading? Be honest, let's not fuck around.

You want the truth? YOU CAN"T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


kidding aside, i'd just reread the mafia championships thread and the rather well written fener introduction was fresh in my mind. Its not like we don't have a precedent for fener being lynched for inane reasons now do we.


@togg, my god how thick are you? you're telling me you've never played a fantasy game in your existence? Rangers frequently have animal pets of some kind. It's included in the general dnD lore as well as pretty much every fantasy mmo and who knows how many fantasy books. Im just making inferences based on the fact it's a game heavily influenced by DnD, which in turn is a staple in fantasy lore.

No following this, Kadagar makes a point to Grasp about his more informed knowledge which once again Monok feels the need to reply to.

Monok Ochem, on 31 March 2016 - 11:13 PM, said:

Kadagar Fant, on 31 March 2016 - 10:55 PM, said:

Grasp, on 31 March 2016 - 10:30 PM, said:

Ultama, on 31 March 2016 - 06:11 PM, said:

Grasp, on 31 March 2016 - 03:43 AM, said:

and the bacon hunt is on is see.

wasssup people.

There was no bacon hunt. There was a single vote on Fener. Grasp didn't seem to worried about a 'hunt' in any case. It could be Grasp knows Fener is not on his team. Which would mean he has quite a bit of information about his team to begin with.

...Or he could be happy about something happening day 1. What's your deal Grasp? You leading? Be honest, let's not fuck around.

You want the truth? YOU CAN"T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


kidding aside, i'd just reread the mafia championships thread and the rather well written fener introduction was fresh in my mind. Its not like we don't have a precedent for fener being lynched for inane reasons now do we.


@togg, my god how thick are you? you're telling me you've never played a fantasy game in your existence? Rangers frequently have animal pets of some kind. It's included in the general dnD lore as well as pretty much every fantasy mmo and who knows how many fantasy books. Im just making inferences based on the fact it's a game heavily influenced by DnD, which in turn is a staple in fantasy lore.

Yeah ok, but it isn't included in the role descriptions available to us. So either your suggestion is pure currently baseless speculation (based on the info available in the OP), or you are indeed speaking from a position of greater insight into the subject.

not sure its baseless speculation to assume that rangers might get animal companions. That seems a fairly strong possibility despite the brief description in the OP not explicitly saying it.

Not only that but the sheep and the wolves start circling around me after I made this statement.

Telas votes me, I receive that fishy smell, Aranatha votes me, Telas pushes my lynch idea, Ultama critisizes me, Ryll says I'm weirding him out (pretending to add stuff).

There is a lot of resistance here.

[Ryllandaras]

Ryllandaras, on 31 March 2016 - 08:22 AM, said:

Togg, on 31 March 2016 - 08:01 AM, said:

Aranatha, on 31 March 2016 - 07:25 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 30 March 2016 - 02:46 PM, said:

It is Day 1. 35 hours and 58 minutes remaining

20 Players still alive: Aranatha, Bek Okhan, Demelain, Eloth, Fanderay, Fener, Grasp, Hanas, Hood's Path, Kadagar Fant, Kessobahn, Lock, Mockra, Monok Ochem, Ryllandaras, Serc, Silanah, Telas, Togg, Ultama

10 votes to lynch, 10 votes to go to night.

Handy to note that one of the extra alts count towardss the number of votes needed for a lynch.

Or at least one of them doesn't - 20 for lynch so majority being 10 means at least 18 and most 19 alts count but the full 20 cannot else it'd be 11 for lynch. However 10 votes are needed for Night which needs 50% of thread therefore one extra alt at least must be counted else it'd be 9 for Night. Putting both together, 1 of the extra alts counts for numbers, one does not.

I conclude from this that there are two distinctly different types of extra alt in play at the moment; one of these affects the numbers needed and one does not. As the most likely categories to have the option of these abilities have multiple alts having chosen that class some people out there will have a reasonable idea of powers possessed by other factions.

I was going to say that even if there were 18 players there'd still be 10 votes needed to lynch, but I see what you mean with the votes to night.

What's the purpose of this post exactly? Solidarity?

Last time I checked Aranatha was neither Belgium nor France.

@ Togg

You weirded me out before you said anything about Rangers, and started flipping out before anybody said about rangers too. Don't fuck with the timeline.

[Lock]

Hmmm, actually quite an interesting interpretation Togg.
I'll grant you that, however it does hinge on a few suppositions that could simply be confirmation bias on your part.
The bit you underlined in the first post, clearly says
you left out rangers as rangers can choose to have petseats/animal companions in most if not all rpgs.

Interesting you stopped underlining where the quote become irrelevant, and says in most rpgs, regardless of your lack of DnD knowledge (probably en par with my own) you're twisting to fit, trying to make it seem as if Grasp was saying he/she/it received a choice in their role pm, and as such MUST BE THE RANGER FACTION LEADER GOD MAN LETS KILL HIM.
It says nothing of the sort, it says, quite simply, most rangers get lovable puppies/ other animals (if only minsc was a ranger I could say space hamster) in rpgs. It doesn't reference this game with n fact at all. You sir are strawmanning. As for resistance nd defence? Could as easily be written off as fake symping by YOUR team to drawn attention to the now maligned Grasp.
As likely a scenario as you have currently suggested.

Im not adverse to lynching basically anyone on day one really, but at the minute my gut is pointing me at Togg/Arantha if for no other reason than because.
I could be swung round to a Grasp vote, but it won't be with deliberate misinterpretations and disingenuousness.
I'll have to look at it again myself


Edit, autocorrect made symping -> dumping, which is just nonsensical

This post has been edited by Lock: 01 April 2016 - 08:13 AM

[Togg]

Lock, on 01 April 2016 - 08:11 AM, said:

Hmmm, actually quite an interesting interpretation Togg.
I'll grant you that, however it does hinge on a few suppositions that could simply be confirmation bias on your part.
The bit you underlined in the first post, clearly says
you left out rangers as rangers can choose to have petseats/animal companions in most if not all rpgs.

Interesting you stopped underlining where the quote become irrelevant, and says in most rpgs, regardless of your lack of DnD knowledge (probably en par with my own) you're twisting to fit, trying to make it seem as if Grasp was saying he/she/it received a choice in their role pm, and as such MUST BE THE RANGER FACTION LEADER GOD MAN LETS KILL HIM.
It says nothing of the sort, it says, quite simply, most rangers get lovable puppies/ other animals (if only minsc was a ranger I could say space hamster) in rpgs. It doesn't reference this game with n fact at all. You sir are strawmanning. As for resistance nd defence? Could as easily be written off as fake symping by YOUR team to drawn attention to the now maligned Grasp.
As likely a scenario as you have currently suggested.

Im not adverse to lynching basically anyone on day one really, but at the minute my gut is pointing me at Togg/Arantha if for no other reason than because.
I could be swung round to a Grasp vote, but it won't be with deliberate misinterpretations and disingenuousness.
I'll have to look at it again myself


Edit, autocorrect made symping -> dumping, which is just nonsensical

So Grasp brought up other points about other roles did he? I must of missed that part. Forget the pets if you want, but you cannot deny the fact that Rangers is what he brought up when there were other things on thread. I didn't mention rangers. The thread before me didn't mention Rangers, Grasp did. Then what follows is all look the other way.

What do you think of Monok's behaviour then?

[Togg]

Ryllandaras, on 01 April 2016 - 08:09 AM, said:

Ryllandaras, on 31 March 2016 - 08:22 AM, said:

Togg, on 31 March 2016 - 08:01 AM, said:

Aranatha, on 31 March 2016 - 07:25 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 30 March 2016 - 02:46 PM, said:

It is Day 1. 35 hours and 58 minutes remaining

20 Players still alive: Aranatha, Bek Okhan, Demelain, Eloth, Fanderay, Fener, Grasp, Hanas, Hood's Path, Kadagar Fant, Kessobahn, Lock, Mockra, Monok Ochem, Ryllandaras, Serc, Silanah, Telas, Togg, Ultama

10 votes to lynch, 10 votes to go to night.

Handy to note that one of the extra alts count towardss the number of votes needed for a lynch.

Or at least one of them doesn't - 20 for lynch so majority being 10 means at least 18 and most 19 alts count but the full 20 cannot else it'd be 11 for lynch. However 10 votes are needed for Night which needs 50% of thread therefore one extra alt at least must be counted else it'd be 9 for Night. Putting both together, 1 of the extra alts counts for numbers, one does not.

I conclude from this that there are two distinctly different types of extra alt in play at the moment; one of these affects the numbers needed and one does not. As the most likely categories to have the option of these abilities have multiple alts having chosen that class some people out there will have a reasonable idea of powers possessed by other factions.

I was going to say that even if there were 18 players there'd still be 10 votes needed to lynch, but I see what you mean with the votes to night.

What's the purpose of this post exactly? Solidarity?

Last time I checked Aranatha was neither Belgium nor France.

@ Togg

You weirded me out before you said anything about Rangers, and started flipping out before anybody said about rangers too. Don't fuck with the timeline.

Why was that Rhyll?

[Ryllandaras]

Togg, on 01 April 2016 - 08:22 AM, said:

Why was that Rhyll?

Because you posted this:

"I was going to say what Aranatha said but he said it first I will write that I thought it first"

like what kind of extreme idiocy is that?

[Togg]

Day one banter/dragon sex is usually nonsensical. It's not like someone does a boo boo early on.

The first thing you say to me is this and all I can think of at the time is what an absolute dick head. Why the fuck would you mention Belgium and France in a game like this. I mean for what? Agreeing with a post by someone. At first I disagreed with his vote to lynch/night break down but then realized it was okay. Other people may have felt the same way so I just put my thoughts out there. Yet you come on and put this fucking post as a reply. So yes, that pissed me off a little.

Then I go back and see what you have contributed and it is sweet fuck all. What a fucking hypocrite. So the acting weird was me reigning my fucking temper in and giving a little retort in the way of posts.

Ryllandaras, on 31 March 2016 - 08:22 AM, said:

What's the purpose of this post exactly? Solidarity?

Last time I checked Aranatha was neither Belgium nor France.

Then this by Aranatha. Why don't you put some effort in.. fuck you too Aranatha. I play the game for fun, I had read the thread and read the OP but not put much thought into it until it becomes relevant. Fuck that. I play when I'm in work. I don't know about you but when someone starts a sentence with, why don't you, it fucking rankles me. Why don't you.. go suck a bag of fucking dicks

Aranatha, on 31 March 2016 - 08:49 AM, said:

A magical class aligned to healing... you know, maybe a Cleric?

Why don't you put some effort into thinking of which classes would have extra alts?

Fucking twats.

[Ryllandaras]

Togg, on 01 April 2016 - 08:33 AM, said:

Day one banter/dragon sex is usually nonsensical. It's not like someone does a boo boo early on.

The first thing you say to me is this and all I can think of at the time is what an absolute dick head. Why the fuck would you mention Belgium and France in a game like this. I mean for what? Agreeing with a post by someone. At first I disagreed with his vote to lynch/night break down but then realized it was okay. Other people may have felt the same way so I just put my thoughts out there. Yet you come on and put this fucking post as a reply. So yes, that pissed me off a little.

Then I go back and see what you have contributed and it is sweet fuck all. What a fucking hypocrite. So the acting weird was me reigning my fucking temper in and giving a little retort in the way of posts.

Ryllandaras, on 31 March 2016 - 08:22 AM, said:

What's the purpose of this post exactly? Solidarity?

Last time I checked Aranatha was neither Belgium nor France.

Then this by Aranatha. Why don't you put some effort in.. fuck you too Aranatha. I play the game for fun, I had read the thread and read the OP but not put much thought into it until it becomes relevant. Fuck that. I play when I'm in work. I don't know about you but when someone starts a sentence with, why don't you, it fucking rankles me. Why don't you.. go suck a bag of fucking dicks

Aranatha, on 31 March 2016 - 08:49 AM, said:

A magical class aligned to healing... you know, maybe a Cleric?

Why don't you put some effort into thinking of which classes would have extra alts?

Fucking twats.

My problem was with your "I'm contributing people, without doing anything! MUAHAHAHAHA" post, not with a lack of content. As I said, content matters for jackshit in a faction game. People's interactions matter.

[Lock]

Chill the beans son

The lady doth protest too much methinks!

[Togg]

Lock, on 01 April 2016 - 08:57 AM, said:

Chill the beans son

The lady doth protest too much methinks!

I've moved on, I've made my case for Grasp, it's the asshole above that pulled on the chain.

[Serc]

Aranatha, on 01 April 2016 - 07:19 AM, said:

One thing stands out to me - the mention of Ironforge in the first post implies a reasonable knowledge of the setting (yes I am now aware Ironforge is a WoW thing)

Sercs last post

Quote

It is possible rangers can have animal companions.

doesn't jive so well with someone with a pretty good understanding of the setting. "It is possible" sounds wishy-washy. I would have expected a definite "Rangers can have..." rather like Hanas says

Mention of Ironforge implies nothing but me having some experience with WoW. In the quoted post I was talking explicitly about rangers in this game.

[Fanderay]

Lock, on 01 April 2016 - 08:11 AM, said:

Hmmm, actually quite an interesting interpretation Togg.
I'll grant you that, however it does hinge on a few suppositions that could simply be confirmation bias on your part.
The bit you underlined in the first post, clearly says
you left out rangers as rangers can choose to have petseats/animal companions in most if not all rpgs.

Interesting you stopped underlining where the quote become irrelevant, and says in most rpgs, regardless of your lack of DnD knowledge (probably en par with my own) you're twisting to fit, trying to make it seem as if Grasp was saying he/she/it received a choice in their role pm, and as such MUST BE THE RANGER FACTION LEADER GOD MAN LETS KILL HIM.
It says nothing of the sort, it says, quite simply, most rangers get lovable puppies/ other animals (if only minsc was a ranger I could say space hamster) in rpgs. It doesn't reference this game with n fact at all. You sir are strawmanning. As for resistance nd defence? Could as easily be written off as fake symping by YOUR team to drawn attention to the now maligned Grasp.
As likely a scenario as you have currently suggested.

Im not adverse to lynching basically anyone on day one really, but at the minute my gut is pointing me at Togg/Arantha if for no other reason than because.
I could be swung round to a Grasp vote, but it won't be with deliberate misinterpretations and disingenuousness.
I'll have to look at it again myself


Edit, autocorrect made symping -> dumping, which is just nonsensical

Yeah as I was reading up I also noticed that decision not to underline the bit that didn't jive with their argument.

Not sure what else to say that hasn't already been said. I noticed Togg seems pretty confident that lynches won't hinder him too much.

[Togg]

I will be lynched if that is how it goes. I've said i'm not part of the Fifth so you'd just be losing a member of your faction if you're in one of the others. Everyone is cagey, I get that. No one has defended, deflected from me as they have Grasp though, there is that.