[Eloth]

Denul, on 10 February 2016 - 02:13 PM, said:

You have a mouth, I have balls. Why don't you put your balls where your mouth is?

Yeah, your balls are really shown through non-commital, bland, "I agree" voting... Maybe I should show some balls and by hopping on easy low information lynches and not saying anything about it right?

Your posting suggests you've already put your balls where your mouth is.

Denul, on 10 February 2016 - 02:22 PM, said:

If Eloth wants information, he'd have voted for Gait yesterday because besides the fact there was no other lynch on the table, he didn't go out of his way to create another option AND the only information we got was from night. More information would have been from 2 CF's.

Now, I wouldn't want to go voting Eloth, for example ,because he has a presence on thread and could be in my team. I'd rather vote those non entities that always make it to the end of the game because people like Eloth say they give little information.

I'm not partial to just Gait, I would vote for Olar just as much.

Yeah, ideally I would've been around for more of yesterday. And ideally I would've voted Gait since then at least we wouldn't be having the exact same discussion as yesterday. It feels like this whole game has been stuck on day one.

I also think it's a bit interesting that everyone is mentioning OE and Gait, but no one is mentioning Grasp, who hasn't been hugely more involved. There are also some people who've posted more, that have been very under the radar.

I think people are playing too bland a game, refusing to put anything out there whatsoever (and as Merrid points out, it didn't exactly work out for Lish). And I do think that Kadagar raises a fair point. I'd argue that I have put myself out there more than most already, but if I want something to change and no one else is doing anything, then why not do more myself?

Vote Ultama

Because I don't think he's on my team.

I'd be tempted to vote Denul for being a tit, and for blatantly non-commital play waiting for someone else to anything worthwhile happen, but that goes for most people.

Edit: Smiley fixing.

This post has been edited by Eloth: 10 February 2016 - 02:50 PM

[Aparal Forge]

Eloth, on 10 February 2016 - 02:50 PM, said:

Vote Ultama

Because I don't think he's on my team.

I get the impression you do think that Gait is on your team.

[Eloth]

Aparal Forge, on 10 February 2016 - 02:54 PM, said:

Eloth, on 10 February 2016 - 02:50 PM, said:

Vote Ultama

Because I don't think he's on my team.

I get the impression you do think that Gait is on your team.

I've got bugger all idea about Gait or OE. It's just 50/50. I've consistently said that I think they're bad choices, regardless of which has been brought up.

People asked me to put forward alternative suggestions if I felt that way. So I did. Inevitably, any alternative suggestion is going to be accused of this. Which just encourages yet more bland following of the first thing to emerge, regardless of how poor a choice it is. It's an absolutely tedious way to play mafia, coasting through by playing blandly...feel free to keep doing it though.

[Denul]

Eloth, on 10 February 2016 - 03:00 PM, said:

Aparal Forge, on 10 February 2016 - 02:54 PM, said:

Eloth, on 10 February 2016 - 02:50 PM, said:

Vote Ultama

Because I don't think he's on my team.

I get the impression you do think that Gait is on your team.

I've got bugger all idea about Gait or OE. It's just 50/50. I've consistently said that I think they're bad choices, regardless of which has been brought up.

People asked me to put forward alternative suggestions if I felt that way. So I did. Inevitably, any alternative suggestion is going to be accused of this. Which just encourages yet more bland following of the first thing to emerge, regardless of how poor a choice it is. It's an absolutely tedious way to play mafia, coasting through by playing blandly...feel free to keep doing it though.

What makes you think Ultama is of a different team to you?

[Eloth]

Denul, on 10 February 2016 - 03:04 PM, said:

Eloth, on 10 February 2016 - 03:00 PM, said:

Aparal Forge, on 10 February 2016 - 02:54 PM, said:

Eloth, on 10 February 2016 - 02:50 PM, said:

Vote Ultama

Because I don't think he's on my team.

I get the impression you do think that Gait is on your team.

I've got bugger all idea about Gait or OE. It's just 50/50. I've consistently said that I think they're bad choices, regardless of which has been brought up.

People asked me to put forward alternative suggestions if I felt that way. So I did. Inevitably, any alternative suggestion is going to be accused of this. Which just encourages yet more bland following of the first thing to emerge, regardless of how poor a choice it is. It's an absolutely tedious way to play mafia, coasting through by playing blandly...feel free to keep doing it though.

What makes you think Ultama is of a different team to you?

That's an obvious question, but I'm not sure it's one I can reasonably answer.

Earlier on, Merrid asked a good question.

Merrid, on 10 February 2016 - 01:36 PM, said:

And how the hell is one supposed to make a case in a faction game to begin with, apart from "So and so is a member of faction X, lynch them!" - after which faction Y might hop on, and X sits still and hopes for a day time-out?

This is something of an attempt to solve that problem.

I can't really say exactly what makes me think Ultama isn't on my team, can I? If I say "He said this, and so I think that he's X", I just fall into the problem Merrid highlighted. Even worse, I give away my faction for certain, just to elucidate a suspicion I have about Ultama's.

Instead, I'd invite people to look over Ultama's posts (and mine too, I guess). See if you can figure out his faction, or why I might think he was a given faction (if nothing else, this gives you information about me... hence why people are so bloody timid about doing anything actually based on faction reasoning rather than M&P standards I suppose).

Edit: Basically, Denul, I think your question is more something you need to try to figure out than something for me to provide a simple answer to.

This post has been edited by Eloth: 10 February 2016 - 03:13 PM

[Gait]

I'm not really sure where to begin to digest this game, I have no feel for anybody

[Ultama]

I am getting hammered at work. I might be able to get on in 6 hours. We will see how it goes.

[Merrid]

Interesting move Eloth. What you need now, is a few people coming along to make something out of this.
So,

Vote Ultama.

[Korlat]

Merrid, on 10 February 2016 - 01:36 PM, said:

Well, with regard to Denul, KF and their movers and shakers: I guess Lisheo tried to be one: look where he ended up. And how the hell is one supposed to make a case in a faction game to begin with, apart from "So and so is a member of faction X, lynch them!" - after which faction Y might hop on, and X sits still and hopes for a day time-out?

I guess if we do want a high-info lynch, the trick is to pick a controversial target - but how do you know who is such a target, write down all the names and throw a dart?

In other news, my posting will suffer a bit. I cut my index finger with a bread knife this morning and the stiffness and plaster are affecting my typing. Bastard bread.

That seems to be the problem, tbh. Trying to be make things happen in faction games is asking to become controversial, and ultimately a possible target for a lynch. I like what Eloth's done with the Ultama vote in that it does create more discussion, without causing a fuckton of WIFOM (like Hanas did). I'm going to go read through Eloth's posts (doesn't help he's almost doubling the next highest poster) and see if I can get behind an Ultama lynch.

[Korlat]

Merrid, on 10 February 2016 - 03:51 PM, said:

Interesting move Eloth. What you need now, is a few people coming along to make something out of this.
So,

Vote Ultama.

I'm not sure what to make of you jumping on this. On one hand, it makes Ultama a legitimate target as an alternative to the low poster lynch that was proposed yesterday, but on the other hand I can't tell if you're jumping on because you think Eloth's on your side and you should follow him, or because you just want to avoid lynching Gait (which has also been proposed as Eloth's reason for voting Ultama). I guess I'll have a better sense once I've gotten my read through on Eloth in.

[Merrid]

Korlat, on 10 February 2016 - 03:55 PM, said:

Merrid, on 10 February 2016 - 03:51 PM, said:

Interesting move Eloth. What you need now, is a few people coming along to make something out of this.
So,

Vote Ultama.

I'm not sure what to make of you jumping on this. On one hand, it makes Ultama a legitimate target as an alternative to the low poster lynch that was proposed yesterday, but on the other hand I can't tell if you're jumping on because you think Eloth's on your side and you should follow him, or because you just want to avoid lynching Gait (which has also been proposed as Eloth's reason for voting Ultama). I guess I'll have a better sense once I've gotten my read through on Eloth in.

I didn't mind lynching Gait at all yesterday, and if he gathers steam I might switch. However, with regard to your read (or anyone's) on me voting Ultama: my decision to vote him is independent from Eloth being on my team or not. I don't have a read on Eloth. But I do have a read on Ultama, so I am just being a grand opportunist here.

So, I am happy lynching Gait, but in my opinion this train will deliver a lot more.

[Korlat]

Merrid, on 10 February 2016 - 04:10 PM, said:

Korlat, on 10 February 2016 - 03:55 PM, said:

Merrid, on 10 February 2016 - 03:51 PM, said:

Interesting move Eloth. What you need now, is a few people coming along to make something out of this.
So,

Vote Ultama.

I'm not sure what to make of you jumping on this. On one hand, it makes Ultama a legitimate target as an alternative to the low poster lynch that was proposed yesterday, but on the other hand I can't tell if you're jumping on because you think Eloth's on your side and you should follow him, or because you just want to avoid lynching Gait (which has also been proposed as Eloth's reason for voting Ultama). I guess I'll have a better sense once I've gotten my read through on Eloth in.

I didn't mind lynching Gait at all yesterday, and if he gathers steam I might switch. However, with regard to your read (or anyone's) on me voting Ultama: my decision to vote him is independent from Eloth being on my team or not. I don't have a read on Eloth. But I do have a read on Ultama, so I am just being a grand opportunist here.

So, I am happy lynching Gait, but in my opinion this train will deliver a lot more.

I get what you're saying and I agree. Gait is a very low information lynch, where Ultama has (admittedly not that many posts, but still) more posts and therefore a greater opportunity to get a read on him and to see connections to others and have more information in general. I personally don't really have much of a read on Ultama, but I have a bit more of a read on Eloth (given the massive quantity of posts to go over and participating a lot) which means I'll jump on the train as well.

Vote Ultama

[Shadow]

I've had my suspicions that ultama's on the opposite side for a while now.

Remove vote

vote ultama

[Denul]

Eloth, on 10 February 2016 - 03:11 PM, said:

Denul, on 10 February 2016 - 03:04 PM, said:

Eloth, on 10 February 2016 - 03:00 PM, said:

Aparal Forge, on 10 February 2016 - 02:54 PM, said:

Eloth, on 10 February 2016 - 02:50 PM, said:

Vote Ultama

Because I don't think he's on my team.

I get the impression you do think that Gait is on your team.

I've got bugger all idea about Gait or OE. It's just 50/50. I've consistently said that I think they're bad choices, regardless of which has been brought up.

People asked me to put forward alternative suggestions if I felt that way. So I did. Inevitably, any alternative suggestion is going to be accused of this. Which just encourages yet more bland following of the first thing to emerge, regardless of how poor a choice it is. It's an absolutely tedious way to play mafia, coasting through by playing blandly...feel free to keep doing it though.

What makes you think Ultama is of a different team to you?

That's an obvious question, but I'm not sure it's one I can reasonably answer.

Earlier on, Merrid asked a good question.

Merrid, on 10 February 2016 - 01:36 PM, said:

And how the hell is one supposed to make a case in a faction game to begin with, apart from "So and so is a member of faction X, lynch them!" - after which faction Y might hop on, and X sits still and hopes for a day time-out?

This is something of an attempt to solve that problem.

I can't really say exactly what makes me think Ultama isn't on my team, can I? If I say "He said this, and so I think that he's X", I just fall into the problem Merrid highlighted. Even worse, I give away my faction for certain, just to elucidate a suspicion I have about Ultama's.

Instead, I'd invite people to look over Ultama's posts (and mine too, I guess). See if you can figure out his faction, or why I might think he was a given faction (if nothing else, this gives you information about me... hence why people are so bloody timid about doing anything actually based on faction reasoning rather than M&P standards I suppose).

Edit: Basically, Denul, I think your question is more something you need to try to figure out than something for me to provide a simple answer to.

Okay. After reading up, I'm with you sir.

remove vote

vote ultama

Basically that's the first time I have actually had a re read. I've just been playing wild and careless each day so far.

[Omtose]

Finished reading up. Ultama's only contributions of note was during the Hanas incident. But it certainly looks much better than a Gait lynch.

Vote Ultama

[Anomandaris]

Ultama eh? I agree that they seem to be where that whiffy stench is coming from. I actually don't have a particular read on Ultama, but I think I have some inkling on a few (though not all) of the other voters, so.


Vote Ultama

[Ultama]

So I say that I am going to be away for several hours and walla a train builds on me. Nicely done guys. Oh and what is there for me to defend against. Ummm I think that he might not be on my team so I am going to vote for him. Well seems like totally random and unhelpful. I am in a faction and I will say that my name has been mentioned in last nights activity. I think that it would be a mistake for my faction to vote for me as I am very helpful for the current war effort. So if you in my faction or you think that I am in your faction don't be a fool and lynch me. I can understand the need to try to figure out who is in what faction by lynching but this game is set up so that lynches are a less of a need then other games. As the war moves and attacks are used people will fall. Do any of us really want to make our war chances less by lynching someone who our battalions may very well be counting on to support us during next attack.

That is as much of a defense as I can muster.
Because I choose to believe that I have indicated what faction that I am in I am perfectly willing to vote for someone who I believe to be in a different faction.

Vote Anomandaris

[Eloth]

Ultama, on 10 February 2016 - 06:35 PM, said:

I think that it would be a mistake for my faction to vote for me

No, really?

[Eloth]

Also, Ultama has 7 votes and it's only 8 to lynch. It's still very early in the day for L-1, so for now I'm going to:

Remove vote

Part of my initial reasoning was to vote someone I thought would give better info (and I think it's done that effectively), which doesn't work so well if half of the thread don't get a chance to respond in the first place.

[Anomandaris]

Well I suppose that at least validates my vote - though it would be amusing if we were both horribly wrong