[Path-Shaper]

 Merrid, on 03 February 2016 - 12:49 PM, said:

Usually, up until that point the game stagnates into night phase shenanigans with the thread merely existing to avoid mod-kills and reading Path-Shaper's announcements.

Which is marvelous, i'm sure, as my announcements make Homer,Joyce and Eliot look like dimwits.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 03 February 2016 - 01:47 PM

[Shadow]

Good morning folks. Just done my intial read, still kinda tired...

There were like what, 4 consecutive votes on anomandaris before he had a chance to respond? and they were all fast? Thats odd,when people do speed votes it usually leads to poor results. 1-2 votes is enough pressure, anything more then that is hoping for a speed lynch which in m&P and faction is terrible.

Then there's fanderay's comment. Makes sense in m&P, not so much in faction where you're just as likely to hit your own team. So unless hes either an independent or someone with some knowledge of who his teamates are ( therefore its mathematically likely to hit your opposing faction if you know a few of your own) And since unless you're a higher up i doubt you'd know more then 1 or 2 members. Fanderay could very well be a high ranking faction member (assuming my logic holds)

If that isn't the case

If we're going with the follow the leader approach, eloth started the train, could very well be fande symping or fake symping eloth by means of jumping on the bandwagon.

Emurs jumping on the bandwagon strikes me as an eager attempt to get pressure off him

Hanas casually jumping in

 Hanas, on 03 February 2016 - 07:42 AM, said:

Day 1 votes, huh?

Well, I see no reason to not
Vote Anomandaris

casually jumps on the wagon

 Hanas, on 03 February 2016 - 09:03 AM, said:

 Anomandaris, on 03 February 2016 - 08:48 AM, said:

Vote Fanderay


For giving a bullshit reason for voting for me. At least the rest after them are completely blatant about voting because fuck it, why not, but Fandy has to come up with an explanations, because they're too insecure to just vote for the sake of voting on day 1.

Conclusion: They're an independent and therefore everyone can feel safe voting for Fanderay.

 Merrid, on 03 February 2016 - 08:16 AM, said:

As tempting as it is to put a vote down on Ano (for what is a fairly decent reason) and resume work, this train is going a teeny tiny bit too fast (compared to the post count) for my taste.

So, for now, I will hold my horses.

You know, just for you posting that and Merrid symping you, I'm leaving my vote on you.

 Hanas, on 03 February 2016 - 09:08 AM, said:

 Fanderay, on 03 February 2016 - 09:03 AM, said:

 Anomandaris, on 03 February 2016 - 08:52 AM, said:

 Fanderay, on 03 February 2016 - 08:51 AM, said:

Whoa, somebody just panicked.
Are you a faction leader or something?

Panicked? Who? Let's get them!

Is that question for real? I'm the guy who doesn't want to be lynched day 1, same as everyone else, obvs.

However, I don't think 4 consecutive posts in less than 8 minutes is normal behavior.

There's also his weird, pseudo-logical justification for voting for you. Might be a joke, but you know.
And then he disappears.
I'm pretty on the fence for actually lynching Anomandaris, but it might be interesting to see what happens if more pressure is applied.

giving yourself some plausible deniability now that the bandwagon has stalled? Interesting

also as im posting theres an xpost with merrid and a few others ill have to read

[Merrid]

 Path-Shaper, on 03 February 2016 - 01:45 PM, said:

 Merrid, on 03 February 2016 - 12:49 PM, said:

Usually, up until that point the game stagnates into night phase shenanigans with the thread merely existing to avoid mod-kills and reading Path-Shaper's announcements.

Which is marvelous, i'm sure, as my announcements make Homer,Joyce and Eliot look like dimwits.

Someone who can make a toaster sexy deserves publishing.

[Shadow]

Forgot to add in (i mustve typed it elsewhere) hanas's 2nd post is basically dismissing merrid's comment that we might be a little cautious with speed lynching and he just accuses the person of symping and leaves the vote there

[Korlat]

 Shadow, on 03 February 2016 - 01:48 PM, said:

Good morning folks. Just done my intial read, still kinda tired...

There were like what, 4 consecutive votes on anomandaris before he had a chance to respond? and they were all fast? Thats odd,when people do speed votes it usually leads to poor results. 1-2 votes is enough pressure, anything more then that is hoping for a speed lynch which in m&P and faction is terrible.

Then there's fanderay's comment. Makes sense in m&P, not so much in faction where you're just as likely to hit your own team. So unless hes either an independent or someone with some knowledge of who his teamates are ( therefore its mathematically likely to hit your opposing faction if you know a few of your own) And since unless you're a higher up i doubt you'd know more then 1 or 2 members. Fanderay could very well be a high ranking faction member (assuming my logic holds)

If that isn't the case

If we're going with the follow the leader approach, eloth started the train, could very well be fande symping or fake symping eloth by means of jumping on the bandwagon.

Emurs jumping on the bandwagon strikes me as an eager attempt to get pressure off him

Hanas casually jumping in

 Hanas, on 03 February 2016 - 07:42 AM, said:

Day 1 votes, huh?

Well, I see no reason to not
Vote Anomandaris

casually jumps on the wagon

 Hanas, on 03 February 2016 - 09:03 AM, said:

 Anomandaris, on 03 February 2016 - 08:48 AM, said:

Vote Fanderay


For giving a bullshit reason for voting for me. At least the rest after them are completely blatant about voting because fuck it, why not, but Fandy has to come up with an explanations, because they're too insecure to just vote for the sake of voting on day 1.

Conclusion: They're an independent and therefore everyone can feel safe voting for Fanderay.

 Merrid, on 03 February 2016 - 08:16 AM, said:

As tempting as it is to put a vote down on Ano (for what is a fairly decent reason) and resume work, this train is going a teeny tiny bit too fast (compared to the post count) for my taste.

So, for now, I will hold my horses.

You know, just for you posting that and Merrid symping you, I'm leaving my vote on you.

 Hanas, on 03 February 2016 - 09:08 AM, said:

 Fanderay, on 03 February 2016 - 09:03 AM, said:

 Anomandaris, on 03 February 2016 - 08:52 AM, said:

 Fanderay, on 03 February 2016 - 08:51 AM, said:

Whoa, somebody just panicked.
Are you a faction leader or something?

Panicked? Who? Let's get them!

Is that question for real? I'm the guy who doesn't want to be lynched day 1, same as everyone else, obvs.

However, I don't think 4 consecutive posts in less than 8 minutes is normal behavior.

There's also his weird, pseudo-logical justification for voting for you. Might be a joke, but you know.
And then he disappears.
I'm pretty on the fence for actually lynching Anomandaris, but it might be interesting to see what happens if more pressure is applied.

giving yourself some plausible deniability now that the bandwagon has stalled? Interesting

also as im posting theres an xpost with merrid and a few others ill have to read

Here for a bit, forgot to sign off last night. I've never liked the drive by "I see no reason not to vote" jumping on the bandwagon votes (Hanas is a prime example). maybe it's just me, but that seems more suspicious to me than Ano defending himself (I will say that is a pet peeve of mine, being accused of being jumpy after getting multiple votes D1 and looking like a quick lynch. I need to reread what people see as wrong with Fanderay, but I'm leaning towards a vote on Hanas right now.

[Telas]

In a faction game the quick votes on one alt might say something, but that'd be horrible game play. Don't know what to make of it, could WIFOM it to heaven and back.

[Korlat]

 Fanderay, on 03 February 2016 - 05:51 AM, said:

 Eloth, on 03 February 2016 - 03:51 AM, said:

Yeah, activity is always some use.

I'm going to:

Vote Anomandaris

For posting just to say "I'm not getting involved with this discussion"...why so wary?

I actually like this vote. Ano posted something completely irrelevant and didn't answer me when I insulted him. I dislike that because it seems like he is trying to stay under the radar.

Vote Anomandaris

Also, it makes mathematical sense for me to lynch anyone except myself, so if a train starts on someone else I'll switch. I'm not choosy at all.

I don't really see how this post is any more suspicious/doesn't make me want to vote Fanderay any more than I want to vote Ano, especially because Ano came back at Fanderay as a pretty much direct response to Fanderay's vote on him... Plus I'd rather vote someone who hasn't been actually trying to discuss and voted Ano with even less explanation. I don't really buy the whole "Fanderay is too insecure to just vote without justification" idea to be honest, just seems like your average Day 1 vote to put more pressure on.

[Korlat]

Whoops, forgot to end that post with

Vote Hanas

I'll leave it there for now, I'll be in and out for a while, and if my vote seems like it's not doing anything sitting alone on Hanas, I'll switch nearer to end of day.

[Eloth]

I'm back, catching up, good to see there's been a bit of activity.

[Ultama]

Wow that is some very fast and random voting. I am getting slammed here. But so far I am more inclined to vote for Fander or one of the other speed lynchers then Ano. I still don't see why so many people would have voted for him so quickly.

[Shadow]

 Merrid, on 03 February 2016 - 09:46 AM, said:

 Hanas, on 03 February 2016 - 09:03 AM, said:

 Anomandaris, on 03 February 2016 - 08:48 AM, said:

Vote Fanderay


For giving a bullshit reason for voting for me. At least the rest after them are completely blatant about voting because fuck it, why not, but Fandy has to come up with an explanations, because they're too insecure to just vote for the sake of voting on day 1.

Conclusion: They're an independent and therefore everyone can feel safe voting for Fanderay.

 Merrid, on 03 February 2016 - 08:16 AM, said:

As tempting as it is to put a vote down on Ano (for what is a fairly decent reason) and resume work, this train is going a teeny tiny bit too fast (compared to the post count) for my taste.

So, for now, I will hold my horses.

You know, just for you posting that and Merrid symping you, I'm leaving my vote on you.

I am sure your symping cases are the cream of the crop and have won you a great many games.
I would like to learn from you, oh mafia god. Please do explain to this lowly one how saying that the train goes too fast for my liking and temporarily practicing restraint instead of just meaninglessly piling on a 4th vote in succession with no discussion whatsoever in between, is symping.

Also, funny that you give me heat for not voting whereas Ano gives me heat for seeing a tiny bit of something in Fanderay's initial vote

And now that we have had Anomandaris' little meltdown, which was funny and functional in seeing someone being nervous, I see no reason to not

vote Anomandaris

so after all that he finally decides to vote anom. Frankly i don't buy the whole nervousness of anoms defence. Like what is he supposed to do? Just say nothing and hope it gets buried. Right cause that's totally a legit way of playing mafia.

as to anomander's defense. Its as spurious as the logic used to indict him in the first place. Not getting involved into a discussion of the history of anti semitism is scummy? And again this aint m&P. yeah its not great defense but it doesn't strike me as OMGUSing, though he is lashing out at pretty much everyone, hoping somethign sticks (standard play really),

which if we look at fanderay, he was the first person to point out there was something fishy in fand's post.

So i have my suspicious about anomandaris (amongst others), but as of now fanderay and hanas to a lesser degree are higher up on the list.

[bold]fanderay[/bold]

edit:vote fanderay

This post has been edited by Shadow: 03 February 2016 - 03:01 PM

[Emurlahn]

Here...

truly entertaining

reading it again Fande's math post is odd. Maybe a little bit too odd.

Also they're pushing Ano quite hard for D1 faction game.

Ano's defense is on point and in response to Fande (naturally) hard too.

remove vote

I'm rather inclined to vote Fande than Ano right now.

[Hanas]

 Shadow, on 03 February 2016 - 03:00 PM, said:

 Merrid, on 03 February 2016 - 09:46 AM, said:

 Hanas, on 03 February 2016 - 09:03 AM, said:

 Anomandaris, on 03 February 2016 - 08:48 AM, said:

Vote Fanderay


For giving a bullshit reason for voting for me. At least the rest after them are completely blatant about voting because fuck it, why not, but Fandy has to come up with an explanations, because they're too insecure to just vote for the sake of voting on day 1.

Conclusion: They're an independent and therefore everyone can feel safe voting for Fanderay.

 Merrid, on 03 February 2016 - 08:16 AM, said:

As tempting as it is to put a vote down on Ano (for what is a fairly decent reason) and resume work, this train is going a teeny tiny bit too fast (compared to the post count) for my taste.

So, for now, I will hold my horses.

You know, just for you posting that and Merrid symping you, I'm leaving my vote on you.

I am sure your symping cases are the cream of the crop and have won you a great many games.
I would like to learn from you, oh mafia god. Please do explain to this lowly one how saying that the train goes too fast for my liking and temporarily practicing restraint instead of just meaninglessly piling on a 4th vote in succession with no discussion whatsoever in between, is symping.

Also, funny that you give me heat for not voting whereas Ano gives me heat for seeing a tiny bit of something in Fanderay's initial vote

And now that we have had Anomandaris' little meltdown, which was funny and functional in seeing someone being nervous, I see no reason to not

vote Anomandaris

so after all that he finally decides to vote anom. Frankly i don't buy the whole nervousness of anoms defence. Like what is he supposed to do? Just say nothing and hope it gets buried. Right cause that's totally a legit way of playing mafia.

as to anomander's defense. Its as spurious as the logic used to indict him in the first place. Not getting involved into a discussion of the history of anti semitism is scummy? And again this aint m&P. yeah its not great defense but it doesn't strike me as OMGUSing, though he is lashing out at pretty much everyone, hoping somethign sticks (standard play really),

which if we look at fanderay, he was the first person to point out there was something fishy in fand's post.

So i have my suspicious about anomandaris (amongst others), but as of now fanderay and hanas to a lesser degree are higher up on the list.

[bold]fanderay[/bold]

edit:vote fanderay

Personally, I think Fanderay's post-vote argument has merit. Anomander's defence of himself was pretty rapid-fire and fairly shaky, especially given there were only, what, three or four votes on him at the time? Nearly all of which were "that's what you get for not wanting to talk about stuff", non-serious votes.
I'll vote Fanderay at a push.
But Merid makes a very good point here:

 Merrid, on 03 February 2016 - 12:05 PM, said:

 Aparal Forge, on 03 February 2016 - 11:44 AM, said:

So, we've gone from discussing semantics (racism vs systemic discrimination) via some good ol' symp hunting to trying to identify scum by their defensiveness. What do you all think we're playing, meat and potatoes? But no, someone once told me "[It's] a faction game (...) pay attention at the back!".

However, so far, the pattern eludes me and I'm left with guesswork.

Both you and Ano use this reasoning. It's bullshit to brand jumpiness as scumminess.
It's not about identifying scum. It is identifying juicy roles and see whether or not people are willing to defend those juicy roles.

It's interesting to see exactly how many people turn around on Fanderay after he makes a fairly standard weak Day One argument against someone that garners a few votes. I am willing to swing either way because statistically the odds of either of them being on the opposing faction to mine are acceptably high, and also because it's always better to start night with some information.

 Shadow, on 03 February 2016 - 01:48 PM, said:

Good morning folks. Just done my intial read, still kinda tired...

There were like what, 4 consecutive votes on anomandaris before he had a chance to respond? and they were all fast? Thats odd,when people do speed votes it usually leads to poor results. 1-2 votes is enough pressure, anything more then that is hoping for a speed lynch which in m&P and faction is terrible.

Then there's fanderay's comment. Makes sense in m&P, not so much in faction where you're just as likely to hit your own team. So unless hes either an independent or someone with some knowledge of who his teamates are ( therefore its mathematically likely to hit your opposing faction if you know a few of your own) And since unless you're a higher up i doubt you'd know more then 1 or 2 members. Fanderay could very well be a high ranking faction member (assuming my logic holds)

If that isn't the case

If we're going with the follow the leader approach, eloth started the train, could very well be fande symping or fake symping eloth by means of jumping on the bandwagon.

Emurs jumping on the bandwagon strikes me as an eager attempt to get pressure off him

Hanas casually jumping in

 Hanas, on 03 February 2016 - 07:42 AM, said:

Day 1 votes, huh?

Well, I see no reason to not
Vote Anomandaris

casually jumps on the wagon

 Hanas, on 03 February 2016 - 09:03 AM, said:

 Anomandaris, on 03 February 2016 - 08:48 AM, said:

Vote Fanderay


For giving a bullshit reason for voting for me. At least the rest after them are completely blatant about voting because fuck it, why not, but Fandy has to come up with an explanations, because they're too insecure to just vote for the sake of voting on day 1.

Conclusion: They're an independent and therefore everyone can feel safe voting for Fanderay.

 Merrid, on 03 February 2016 - 08:16 AM, said:

As tempting as it is to put a vote down on Ano (for what is a fairly decent reason) and resume work, this train is going a teeny tiny bit too fast (compared to the post count) for my taste.

So, for now, I will hold my horses.

You know, just for you posting that and Merrid symping you, I'm leaving my vote on you.

 Hanas, on 03 February 2016 - 09:08 AM, said:

 Fanderay, on 03 February 2016 - 09:03 AM, said:

 Anomandaris, on 03 February 2016 - 08:52 AM, said:

 Fanderay, on 03 February 2016 - 08:51 AM, said:

Whoa, somebody just panicked.
Are you a faction leader or something?

Panicked? Who? Let's get them!

Is that question for real? I'm the guy who doesn't want to be lynched day 1, same as everyone else, obvs.

However, I don't think 4 consecutive posts in less than 8 minutes is normal behavior.

There's also his weird, pseudo-logical justification for voting for you. Might be a joke, but you know.
And then he disappears.
I'm pretty on the fence for actually lynching Anomandaris, but it might be interesting to see what happens if more pressure is applied.

giving yourself some plausible deniability now that the bandwagon has stalled? Interesting

also as im posting theres an xpost with merrid and a few others ill have to read

I'm not using any plausible deniability. I've got my eye on Fanderay, too, simply because I don't know what faction he's in.
After all, you're wrong about something: I'm not just as likely to hit someone on my own team. The odds are better than 50% that he's not on mine. And the same applies to Anomandaris.
On the other hand, as well as having those odds against him, Anomandaris responded with four posts in about as many minutes, and then suddenly people came out of the woodwork to vote for Fanderay.

[Denul]

I think the reasoning on Fanderay has nothing to do with Ano. Kadagar was the one who made the case. I'm waiting for him to respond to it as i've already voted for him.

[Emurlahn]

 Hanas, on 03 February 2016 - 09:03 AM, said:

 Anomandaris, on 03 February 2016 - 08:48 AM, said:

Vote Fanderay


For giving a bullshit reason for voting for me. At least the rest after them are completely blatant about voting because fuck it, why not, but Fandy has to come up with an explanations, because they're too insecure to just vote for the sake of voting on day 1.

Conclusion: They're an independent and therefore everyone can feel safe voting for Fanderay.

 Merrid, on 03 February 2016 - 08:16 AM, said:

As tempting as it is to put a vote down on Ano (for what is a fairly decent reason) and resume work, this train is going a teeny tiny bit too fast (compared to the post count) for my taste.

So, for now, I will hold my horses.

You know, just for you posting that and Merrid symping you, I'm leaving my vote on you.

This is indeed weak and I don't like it.

Looks like try to justify the vote, although what Han is saying doesn't seem to be there. Maybe the reason for that vote was his leader voting there? just a possibility...

[Hanas]

 Korlat, on 03 February 2016 - 02:39 PM, said:

 Shadow, on 03 February 2016 - 01:48 PM, said:

Good morning folks. Just done my intial read, still kinda tired...

There were like what, 4 consecutive votes on anomandaris before he had a chance to respond? and they were all fast? Thats odd,when people do speed votes it usually leads to poor results. 1-2 votes is enough pressure, anything more then that is hoping for a speed lynch which in m&P and faction is terrible.

Then there's fanderay's comment. Makes sense in m&P, not so much in faction where you're just as likely to hit your own team. So unless hes either an independent or someone with some knowledge of who his teamates are ( therefore its mathematically likely to hit your opposing faction if you know a few of your own) And since unless you're a higher up i doubt you'd know more then 1 or 2 members. Fanderay could very well be a high ranking faction member (assuming my logic holds)

If that isn't the case

If we're going with the follow the leader approach, eloth started the train, could very well be fande symping or fake symping eloth by means of jumping on the bandwagon.

Emurs jumping on the bandwagon strikes me as an eager attempt to get pressure off him

Hanas casually jumping in

 Hanas, on 03 February 2016 - 07:42 AM, said:

Day 1 votes, huh?

Well, I see no reason to not
Vote Anomandaris

casually jumps on the wagon

 Hanas, on 03 February 2016 - 09:03 AM, said:

 Anomandaris, on 03 February 2016 - 08:48 AM, said:

Vote Fanderay


For giving a bullshit reason for voting for me. At least the rest after them are completely blatant about voting because fuck it, why not, but Fandy has to come up with an explanations, because they're too insecure to just vote for the sake of voting on day 1.

Conclusion: They're an independent and therefore everyone can feel safe voting for Fanderay.

 Merrid, on 03 February 2016 - 08:16 AM, said:

As tempting as it is to put a vote down on Ano (for what is a fairly decent reason) and resume work, this train is going a teeny tiny bit too fast (compared to the post count) for my taste.

So, for now, I will hold my horses.

You know, just for you posting that and Merrid symping you, I'm leaving my vote on you.

 Hanas, on 03 February 2016 - 09:08 AM, said:

 Fanderay, on 03 February 2016 - 09:03 AM, said:

 Anomandaris, on 03 February 2016 - 08:52 AM, said:

 Fanderay, on 03 February 2016 - 08:51 AM, said:

Whoa, somebody just panicked.
Are you a faction leader or something?

Panicked? Who? Let's get them!

Is that question for real? I'm the guy who doesn't want to be lynched day 1, same as everyone else, obvs.

However, I don't think 4 consecutive posts in less than 8 minutes is normal behavior.

There's also his weird, pseudo-logical justification for voting for you. Might be a joke, but you know.
And then he disappears.
I'm pretty on the fence for actually lynching Anomandaris, but it might be interesting to see what happens if more pressure is applied.

giving yourself some plausible deniability now that the bandwagon has stalled? Interesting

also as im posting theres an xpost with merrid and a few others ill have to read

Here for a bit, forgot to sign off last night. I've never liked the drive by "I see no reason not to vote" jumping on the bandwagon votes (Hanas is a prime example). maybe it's just me, but that seems more suspicious to me than Ano defending himself (I will say that is a pet peeve of mine, being accused of being jumpy after getting multiple votes D1 and looking like a quick lynch. I need to reread what people see as wrong with Fanderay, but I'm leaning towards a vote on Hanas right now.

Well, at least you're not playing follow-the-leader and voting for Fanderay because he came up with an argument against someone.
The reason I see no reason not to vote is because in a faction game, you usually know yourself, the head of your faction, and maybe one or two other members if you're lucky. If there's an even split, then you have higher than even odds of taking out someone on the opposing team with a lynch, so it's most likely going to be beneficial.
We can play the game assuming there's independent factions at play, but that basically invokes an awful lot of guesswork and you end up playing very conservatively.

[Eloth]

Ok, so, the main points that have stood out to me.

Firstly, Ano. I wanted to stir up some mafia activity with my vote, and that seems to have worked out nicely. I'm certainly not going to claim my initial vote on Ano was making a particularly strong case for him. However, the point is to look at how he reacts to it. Fanderay says "somebody just panicked", like it's an obvious over reaction, but I'm not sure I see it. It's day one, and he's the only person with any votes at that point. If you look at his response (no one was posting anything relevant, so why get involved in the discussion) then it's reasonable enough (aside from the part of me that says "if nothing's happening don't just leave you dick -- make something happen"). I'm not sold on it as a massive over reaction. I'd call it a bit overly defensive, but it's not a clear cut flagrant meltdown. The Fandy vote is OMGUS , and the reasoning for choosing Fandy rather than the others (and the extrapolation that Fandy is independent) seems kind of weak. The main thing that stuck out with Fanderay's vote was the comment about being happy to lynch anyone but himself, which others have mentioned. As a side note, Ano, trying to explain your reaction as you being good at defending yourself doesn't make any sense...

There also seems to be a lot of supposed symping going on that mostly doesn't seem like symping to me. Hanas is symping Fandy according to Ano, Merrid is symping Ano according to Hanas.

Merrid witholding his vote seems fine to me. There were plenty of votes to apply pressure. If he just wanted not to add the vote, he easily could have just not posted. More interesting with Merrid is that after explaining that he thinks there's no need to vote, and being accused of symping, his next post is to vote Ano. Now, in the meantime Ano had made his posts, and Merrid attributes his vote to this (calling it a little meltdown). Personally I'm not convinced that Ano's reaction was hugely awful, so maybe it's just that this reasoning doesn't resonate too much for me. Regardless, it's hard not to notice the turnaround in Merrid's voting.

[EmperorMagus]

OOPS

This post has been edited by EmperorMagus: 03 February 2016 - 03:34 PM

[Fanderay]

 Hanas, on 03 February 2016 - 03:27 PM, said:

Well, at least you're not playing follow-the-leader and voting for Fanderay because he came up with an argument against someone.
The reason I see no reason not to vote is because in a faction game, you usually know yourself, the head of your faction, and maybe one or two other members if you're lucky. If there's an even split, then you have higher than even odds of taking out someone on the opposing team with a lynch, so it's most likely going to be beneficial.
We can play the game assuming there's independent factions at play, but that basically invokes an awful lot of guesswork and you end up playing very conservatively.

Finally.
After a painful trend of having to read stupid posts by stupid people somebody used FUCKING MATH. Assuming an even split between the two teams, you have a better chance of lynching the enemy team if you lynch anyone but yourself.

We don't even know if there are any independent btw, but if there are, it makes even more sense to lynch other people.

9 my team
9 enemy team

I know myself.

a lynch has 9/17 chance of lynching the enemy and an 8/17 chance of lynching my team.
If you know your faction leader as Hanas assumes it will be 9/16 to 7/16.

If there are 2 independents (big assumption), you will have an 11/16 chance of lynching someone other than your team mates.

[Hanas]

 Eloth, on 03 February 2016 - 03:31 PM, said:

Ok, so, the main points that have stood out to me.

Firstly, Ano. I wanted to stir up some mafia activity with my vote, and that seems to have worked out nicely. I'm certainly not going to claim my initial vote on Ano was making a particularly strong case for him. However, the point is to look at how he reacts to it. Fanderay says "somebody just panicked", like it's an obvious over reaction, but I'm not sure I see it. It's day one, and he's the only person with any votes at that point. If you look at his response (no one was posting anything relevant, so why get involved in the discussion) then it's reasonable enough (aside from the part of me that says "if nothing's happening don't just leave you dick -- make something happen"). I'm not sold on it as a massive over reaction. I'd call it a bit overly defensive, but it's not a clear cut flagrant meltdown. The Fandy vote is OMGUS , and the reasoning for choosing Fandy rather than the others (and the extrapolation that Fandy is independent) seems kind of weak. The main thing that stuck out with Fanderay's vote was the comment about being happy to lynch anyone but himself, which others have mentioned. As a side note, Ano, trying to explain your reaction as you being good at defending yourself doesn't make any sense...

I agree strongly with the extrapolation that Fandy is independent is weak. I haven't seen any evidence of an independent faction in this game. I'm not saying it's impossible that there is one, but assuming there is will lead to either conservative, paranoid play.

 Eloth, on 03 February 2016 - 03:31 PM, said:

There also seems to be a lot of supposed symping going on that mostly doesn't seem like symping to me. Hanas is symping Fandy according to Ano, Merrid is symping Ano according to Hanas.

Merrid witholding his vote seems fine to me. There were plenty of votes to apply pressure. If he just wanted not to add the vote, he easily could have just not posted. More interesting with Merrid is that after explaining that he thinks there's no need to vote, and being accused of symping, his next post is to vote Ano. Now, in the meantime Ano had made his posts, and Merrid attributes his vote to this (calling it a little meltdown). Personally I'm not convinced that Ano's reaction was hugely awful, so maybe it's just that this reasoning doesn't resonate too much for me. Regardless, it's hard not to notice the turnaround in Merrid's voting.

I don't really see a problem with Merrid deciding to put down a vote: I do strongly think that Anomander's reaction was a bit much given the circumstance. It's certainly very interesting how voting has gone now that some pressure has been put on Anomander, too.