[Denesmet]

 Korlat, on 03 February 2016 - 04:23 AM, said:

 Omtose, on 03 February 2016 - 04:19 AM, said:

 Telas, on 03 February 2016 - 03:44 AM, said:

It was the just randomness of that comment. I mean, if you make it more subtle somehow, it'd be a way to signal, it's just so random and outrageous that it stands out.

I don't really think it's a signal. More frankly, I really wanted to call out something I found outrageous and beneath this group of people.

But would a signalling post be outrageous? its Day 1, everybody will jump on the slightest thing like Sharks on blood. It actually reads more like a Symp distracting from an actual signalling post, except are there any symps?

And so begins the Day 1 pastime, speculating on mechanics. If we go with your logic in assuming that the symp is that smart, wouldn't whoever they're symping be smart enough not to signal? And if they did signal, wouldn't the more obvious distractor lead us to look for less obvious signalling? I have no answer's I'm just tossing questions out there.

Just pointing out - this is a faction game, now town vs. scum, so symps are not likely.

[Denesmet]

Ano and Fanderay's little OMGUSing makes me a bit suspicious. Not enough to put a vote down on either of them, it's still too early in the game, but I think their interactions should definitely be watched fairly closely!

[Hanas]

 Eloth, on 03 February 2016 - 04:15 PM, said:

Figured I'd do a vote count, hopefully I've not missed anything.

Ano has 4 (Eloth, Fanderay, Hanas, Merrid)
Fanderay has 5 (Ano, Kadagar Fant, Grasp, Denul, Shadow)
Hanas has 1 (Korlat)

Going by the update at 12 hours, we we have about 7 hours left in the day? Though the timing doesn't seem totally consistent. By Gnaws post on page one (at 25 hours) the game should end in about 4 and a half. By the original 36 hour timer I make it about 6 and half. Maybe I just can't count.

I think we have roughly 5-6 hours left, myself.

[Denesmet]

 Aparal Forge, on 03 February 2016 - 11:44 AM, said:

So, we've gone from discussing semantics (racism vs systemic discrimination) via some good ol' symp hunting to trying to identify scum by their defensiveness. What do you all think we're playing, meat and potatoes? But no, someone once told me "[It's] a faction game (...) pay attention at the back!".

However, so far, the pattern eludes me and I'm left with guesswork.

Here's a post that basically says nothing... Considering it's a faction game and it's still Day 1, this is understandable...

[Omtose]

Having read over the only thing that strikes me is Fanderay's math lynching comment. Going to hold of on voting for another couple of hours

[Denesmet]

I know that it has been said a few times now, but still, this...

 Fanderay, on 03 February 2016 - 05:51 AM, said:

Also, it makes mathematical sense for me to lynch anyone except myself, so if a train starts on someone else I'll switch. I'm not choosy at all.

Is what sticks out to me the most. It's not that he has a good chance of lynching someone from the other team, it's that he doesn't give a shit if it's ANYONE else. That just screams independent to me...

vote Fanderay

[Hanas]

 Denesmet, on 03 February 2016 - 04:58 PM, said:

I know that it has been said a few times now, but still, this...

 Fanderay, on 03 February 2016 - 05:51 AM, said:

Also, it makes mathematical sense for me to lynch anyone except myself, so if a train starts on someone else I'll switch. I'm not choosy at all.

Is what sticks out to me the most. It's not that he has a good chance of lynching someone from the other team, it's that he doesn't give a shit if it's ANYONE else. That just screams independent to me...

vote Fanderay

Look at the odds again. Even if he picks a target at random, he has almost a 60% chance of lynching someone not on his team, and he himself pointed out that if there's an independent faction there, that percentage is even HIGHER. There's no point in pussyfooting around worrying about your fellow teammates; Day 1, all you can do is look out for yourself and your faction leader.
There's also no sign of an independent faction existing as of yet, except for Ano trying to muddy the waters with a "joke", and instead putting the idea in people's head that Fanderay is some evil independent fellow, which is very, very unlikely.
I'll switch my vote to Fand myself if it comes down to it because, like I said, there's a good chance he's not a team-mate, but he's arguing with some logic and I'd prefer him over Ano for that reason alone, if there weren't plenty other reasons to vote Ano.

[Telas]

Actually, having reread the first scene (color, I know, color....) it's possible. Unknown banners when there's a clear war going on makes it somewhat plausible.

[Hanas]

 Telas, on 03 February 2016 - 05:21 PM, said:

Actually, having reread the first scene (color, I know, color....) it's possible. Unknown banners when there's a clear war going on makes it somewhat plausible.

I'm sure the mods said somewhere that the scenes didn't give any hints.

[Telas]

Thus the (color, I know, color....) statement.

[Eloth]

I'm tempted to vote Fanderay just because I'm starting to feel like Hanas has posted defending him more than he's defended himself. Some of the other votes on Fanderay make me less keen on this. Kadagar's initial case is a bit thin, but it's day one; I'm less keen on the easy "I agree, voted" votes that follow it.

[Hanas]

 Eloth, on 03 February 2016 - 05:52 PM, said:

I'm tempted to vote Fanderay just because I'm starting to feel like Hanas has posted defending him more than he's defended himself. Some of the other votes on Fanderay make me less keen on this. Kadagar's initial case is a bit thin, but it's day one; I'm less keen on the easy "I agree, voted" votes that follow it.

I don't really have much to defend myself from, except for one misguided vote.

[Eloth]

 Hanas, on 03 February 2016 - 06:00 PM, said:

 Eloth, on 03 February 2016 - 05:52 PM, said:

I'm tempted to vote Fanderay just because I'm starting to feel like Hanas has posted defending him more than he's defended himself. Some of the other votes on Fanderay make me less keen on this. Kadagar's initial case is a bit thin, but it's day one; I'm less keen on the easy "I agree, voted" votes that follow it.

I don't really have much to defend myself from, except for one misguided vote.

Sorry, that should be "has posted defending [Fanderay] more than [Fanderay's] defended himself".

[Eloth]

Also, re-reading, Emur strikes me as wishy-washy here. It could partly be the phrasing (I can only read "Maybe a little bit too odd... DUN DUN DUUUHHH" which makes it seem a poor reason, but I feel like it is one anyway) but it seems like a lame excuse for changing to a direction, like that's something he wants to do but not really for those reasons or something.

 Emurlahn, on 03 February 2016 - 03:13 PM, said:

Here...

truly entertaining

reading it again Fande's math post is odd. Maybe a little bit too odd.

Also they're pushing Ano quite hard for D1 faction game.

Ano's defense is on point and in response to Fande (naturally) hard too.

remove vote

I'm rather inclined to vote Fande than Ano right now.

[Korlat]

 Eloth, on 03 February 2016 - 06:01 PM, said:

 Hanas, on 03 February 2016 - 06:00 PM, said:

 Eloth, on 03 February 2016 - 05:52 PM, said:

I'm tempted to vote Fanderay just because I'm starting to feel like Hanas has posted defending him more than he's defended himself. Some of the other votes on Fanderay make me less keen on this. Kadagar's initial case is a bit thin, but it's day one; I'm less keen on the easy "I agree, voted" votes that follow it.

I don't really have much to defend myself from, except for one misguided vote.

Sorry, that should be "has posted defending [Fanderay] more than [Fanderay's] defended himself".

So are you saying that Hanas is symping Fanderay? (I know, not Town vs. Scum, so no actual symp, but lower ranking person defending someone they know higher up perhaps?) I like that idea, and I'm open to switching to Fanderay as we near the end of day, but I'll leave my vote on Hanas because (while I do get his defense), if he's symping Fanderay then that implies they're on the same side and therefore whichever one gets lynched will be a negative for the same side (basically if one's on my side, lynching Hanas is less negative to my side, whereas if one of the two isn't on my side, Hanas is less of a positive lynch for me). I like to be a bit conservative on Day 1 so I'll stick with the one symping (in your words Eloth), rather than the one being symped.

[Gnaw]

It is Day 1. 2 hours remaining
18 Players still alive: Anomandaris, Apparal Forge, Denesmet, Denul, Eloth, Emurlahn, Fanderay, Gait, Grasp, Hanas, Kadagar Fant, Korlat, Merrid, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Shadow, Telas, Ultama

10 votes to lynch, 9 votes to go to night.

5 Votes for Fanderay ( Anomandaris, Kadagar Fant, Grasp, Denul, Shadow )
1 Vote for Hanas ( Korlat )
4 Votes for Anomandaris ( Eloth, Fanderay, Hanas, Merrid )

Players not voted: Apparal Forge, Denesmet, Emurlahn, Gait, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Telas, Ultama

This post has been edited by Gnaw: 03 February 2016 - 06:26 PM

[Korlat]

I should be around for at least another hour or so, so unless there's a huge swing to Hanas (I don't anticipate it though, and I'm not hugely committed to any one target), I'll switch my vote to Fanderay before I go.

[Eloth]

 Gnaw, on 03 February 2016 - 06:16 PM, said:

It is Day 1. 2 hours and 10 minutes remaining
18 Players still alive: Anomandaris, Apparal Forge, Denesmet, Denul, Eloth, Emurlahn, Fanderay, Gait, Grasp, Hanas, Kadagar Fant, Korlat, Merrid, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Shadow, Telas, Ultama

10 votes to lynch, 9 votes to go to night.

4 Votes for Fanderay ( Anomandaris, Kadagar Fant, Grasp, Denul )
1 Vote for Hanas ( Korlat )
4 Votes for Anomandaris ( Eloth, Fanderay, Hanas, Merrid )

Players not voted: Apparal Forge, Denesmet, Emurlahn, Gait, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Shadow, Telas, Ultama

Shadow voted Fanderay.

[Hanas]

 Korlat, on 03 February 2016 - 06:18 PM, said:

I should be around for at least another hour or so, so unless there's a huge swing to Hanas (I don't anticipate it though, and I'm not hugely committed to any one target), I'll switch my vote to Fanderay before I go.

I honestly recommend voting Ano. I have no idea whether I am on the same team as Fanderay; you've got a mistake in your logic there in that last post, too.

[Eloth]

 Korlat, on 03 February 2016 - 06:14 PM, said:

 Eloth, on 03 February 2016 - 06:01 PM, said:

 Hanas, on 03 February 2016 - 06:00 PM, said:

 Eloth, on 03 February 2016 - 05:52 PM, said:

I'm tempted to vote Fanderay just because I'm starting to feel like Hanas has posted defending him more than he's defended himself. Some of the other votes on Fanderay make me less keen on this. Kadagar's initial case is a bit thin, but it's day one; I'm less keen on the easy "I agree, voted" votes that follow it.

I don't really have much to defend myself from, except for one misguided vote.

Sorry, that should be "has posted defending [Fanderay] more than [Fanderay's] defended himself".

So are you saying that Hanas is symping Fanderay? (I know, not Town vs. Scum, so no actual symp, but lower ranking person defending someone they know higher up perhaps?) I like that idea, and I'm open to switching to Fanderay as we near the end of day, but I'll leave my vote on Hanas because (while I do get his defense), if he's symping Fanderay then that implies they're on the same side and therefore whichever one gets lynched will be a negative for the same side (basically if one's on my side, lynching Hanas is less negative to my side, whereas if one of the two isn't on my side, Hanas is less of a positive lynch for me). I like to be a bit conservative on Day 1 so I'll stick with the one symping (in your words Eloth), rather than the one being symped.

Yeah, not in the standard M&P sense, but yeah.