[Merrid]

Hanas, on 03 February 2016 - 09:03 AM, said:

Anomandaris, on 03 February 2016 - 08:48 AM, said:

Vote Fanderay


For giving a bullshit reason for voting for me. At least the rest after them are completely blatant about voting because fuck it, why not, but Fandy has to come up with an explanations, because they're too insecure to just vote for the sake of voting on day 1.

Conclusion: They're an independent and therefore everyone can feel safe voting for Fanderay.

Merrid, on 03 February 2016 - 08:16 AM, said:

As tempting as it is to put a vote down on Ano (for what is a fairly decent reason) and resume work, this train is going a teeny tiny bit too fast (compared to the post count) for my taste.

So, for now, I will hold my horses.

You know, just for you posting that and Merrid symping you, I'm leaving my vote on you.

I am sure your symping cases are the cream of the crop and have won you a great many games.
I would like to learn from you, oh mafia god. Please do explain to this lowly one how saying that the train goes too fast for my liking and temporarily practicing restraint instead of just meaninglessly piling on a 4th vote in succession with no discussion whatsoever in between, is symping.

Also, funny that you give me heat for not voting whereas Ano gives me heat for seeing a tiny bit of something in Fanderay's initial vote

And now that we have had Anomandaris' little meltdown, which was funny and functional in seeing someone being nervous, I see no reason to not

vote Anomandaris

[Anomandaris]

Fanderay, on 03 February 2016 - 09:16 AM, said:

Hanas, on 03 February 2016 - 09:08 AM, said:

Fanderay, on 03 February 2016 - 09:03 AM, said:

Anomandaris, on 03 February 2016 - 08:52 AM, said:

Fanderay, on 03 February 2016 - 08:51 AM, said:

Whoa, somebody just panicked.
Are you a faction leader or something?

Panicked? Who? Let's get them!

Is that question for real? I'm the guy who doesn't want to be lynched day 1, same as everyone else, obvs.

However, I don't think 4 consecutive posts in less than 8 minutes is normal behavior.

There's also his weird, pseudo-logical justification for voting for you. Might be a joke, but you know.
And then he disappears.
I'm pretty on the fence for actually lynching Anomandaris, but it might be interesting to see what happens if more pressure is applied.

I don't think we have anything better to go on tbh, it is day 1 and he IS acting really weird.

So if I add capitalisations that makes it true, right?

Fanderay IS acting dodgy with his attempts to label my ability to respond to posts directed at me as 'weird'.

[Anomandaris]

Hanas, on 03 February 2016 - 09:08 AM, said:

Fanderay, on 03 February 2016 - 09:03 AM, said:

Anomandaris, on 03 February 2016 - 08:52 AM, said:

Fanderay, on 03 February 2016 - 08:51 AM, said:

Whoa, somebody just panicked.
Are you a faction leader or something?

Panicked? Who? Let's get them!

Is that question for real? I'm the guy who doesn't want to be lynched day 1, same as everyone else, obvs.

However, I don't think 4 consecutive posts in less than 8 minutes is normal behavior.

There's also his weird, pseudo-logical justification for voting for you. Might be a joke, but you know.
And then he disappears.
I'm pretty on the fence for actually lynching Anomandaris, but it might be interesting to see what happens if more pressure is applied.

It's the genre of biting satire.

And then he went to have a shower and change. Got to keep groomed, no matter the absence from mafia.

[Anomandaris]

Merrid, on 03 February 2016 - 09:46 AM, said:

Hanas, on 03 February 2016 - 09:03 AM, said:

Anomandaris, on 03 February 2016 - 08:48 AM, said:

Vote Fanderay


For giving a bullshit reason for voting for me. At least the rest after them are completely blatant about voting because fuck it, why not, but Fandy has to come up with an explanations, because they're too insecure to just vote for the sake of voting on day 1.

Conclusion: They're an independent and therefore everyone can feel safe voting for Fanderay.

Merrid, on 03 February 2016 - 08:16 AM, said:

As tempting as it is to put a vote down on Ano (for what is a fairly decent reason) and resume work, this train is going a teeny tiny bit too fast (compared to the post count) for my taste.

So, for now, I will hold my horses.

You know, just for you posting that and Merrid symping you, I'm leaving my vote on you.

I am sure your symping cases are the cream of the crop and have won you a great many games.
I would like to learn from you, oh mafia god. Please do explain to this lowly one how saying that the train goes too fast for my liking and temporarily practicing restraint instead of just meaninglessly piling on a 4th vote in succession with no discussion whatsoever in between, is symping.

Also, funny that you give me heat for not voting whereas Ano gives me heat for seeing a tiny bit of something in Fanderay's initial vote

And now that we have had Anomandaris' little meltdown, which was funny and functional in seeing someone being nervous, I see no reason to not

vote Anomandaris

Makes sense if 1) They were nervous responses, and 2) This was a town scum game.

Unfortunately, neither of those are true, but I am loving how as soon as you see Hanas name check you, you feel the need to leap out and say 'see, see! I'm not with that guy!' So if you're looking for an example of nerves, you only have to check your mirror.

[Merrid]

Anomandaris, on 03 February 2016 - 10:06 AM, said:

Merrid, on 03 February 2016 - 09:46 AM, said:

Hanas, on 03 February 2016 - 09:03 AM, said:

Anomandaris, on 03 February 2016 - 08:48 AM, said:

Vote Fanderay


For giving a bullshit reason for voting for me. At least the rest after them are completely blatant about voting because fuck it, why not, but Fandy has to come up with an explanations, because they're too insecure to just vote for the sake of voting on day 1.

Conclusion: They're an independent and therefore everyone can feel safe voting for Fanderay.

Merrid, on 03 February 2016 - 08:16 AM, said:

As tempting as it is to put a vote down on Ano (for what is a fairly decent reason) and resume work, this train is going a teeny tiny bit too fast (compared to the post count) for my taste.

So, for now, I will hold my horses.

You know, just for you posting that and Merrid symping you, I'm leaving my vote on you.

I am sure your symping cases are the cream of the crop and have won you a great many games.
I would like to learn from you, oh mafia god. Please do explain to this lowly one how saying that the train goes too fast for my liking and temporarily practicing restraint instead of just meaninglessly piling on a 4th vote in succession with no discussion whatsoever in between, is symping.

Also, funny that you give me heat for not voting whereas Ano gives me heat for seeing a tiny bit of something in Fanderay's initial vote

And now that we have had Anomandaris' little meltdown, which was funny and functional in seeing someone being nervous, I see no reason to not

vote Anomandaris

Makes sense if 1) They were nervous responses, and 2) This was a town scum game.

Unfortunately, neither of those are true, but I am loving how as soon as you see Hanas name check you, you feel the need to leap out and say 'see, see! I'm not with that guy!' So if you're looking for an example of nerves, you only have to check your mirror.

I do admit I check my mirror regularly, and I am nervous sometimes. Do you know how much effort it requires to stay in shape? That sensual, sinuous neck, the sharp tips of my wings, the curve of my tail, the way I profile against the sunset - it requires effort and maintenance to look good.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. 12 hours and 12 minutes remaining
18 Players still alive: Anomandaris, Apparal Forge, Denesmet, Denul, Eloth, Emurlahn, Fanderay, Gait, Grasp, Hanas, Kadagar Fant, Korlat, Merrid, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Shadow, Telas, Ultama

10 votes to lynch, 9 votes to go to night.


5 votes Anomandaris: Eloth, Fanderay, Emurlahn, Hanas, Merrid
2 votes Fandaray: Anomandaris, Kadagar Fant

Players not voted: Apparal Forge, Denesmet, Denul, Gait, Grasp, Korlat, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Shadow, Telas, Ultama

[Kadagar Fant]

Well, as much as I'm enjoying this dick measuring contest, I'm going to bed, Might be back before time out, who knows.

[Aparal Forge]

So, we've gone from discussing semantics (racism vs systemic discrimination) via some good ol' symp hunting to trying to identify scum by their defensiveness. What do you all think we're playing, meat and potatoes? But no, someone once told me "[It's] a faction game (...) pay attention at the back!".

However, so far, the pattern eludes me and I'm left with guesswork.

[Merrid]

Aparal Forge, on 03 February 2016 - 11:44 AM, said:

So, we've gone from discussing semantics (racism vs systemic discrimination) via some good ol' symp hunting to trying to identify scum by their defensiveness. What do you all think we're playing, meat and potatoes? But no, someone once told me "[It's] a faction game (...) pay attention at the back!".

However, so far, the pattern eludes me and I'm left with guesswork.

Both you and Ano use this reasoning. It's bullshit to brand jumpiness as scumminess.
It's not about identifying scum. It is identifying juicy roles and see whether or not people are willing to defend those juicy roles.

[Anomandaris]

Merrid, on 03 February 2016 - 12:05 PM, said:

Aparal Forge, on 03 February 2016 - 11:44 AM, said:

So, we've gone from discussing semantics (racism vs systemic discrimination) via some good ol' symp hunting to trying to identify scum by their defensiveness. What do you all think we're playing, meat and potatoes? But no, someone once told me "[It's] a faction game (...) pay attention at the back!".

However, so far, the pattern eludes me and I'm left with guesswork.

Both you and Ano use this reasoning. It's bullshit to brand jumpiness as scumminess.
It's not about identifying scum. It is identifying juicy roles and see whether or not people are willing to defend those juicy roles.

Bollocks. Defending yourself is part of the game no matter what role you have (unless, I suppose, it's 'get lynched day 1). I just happen to be quite good at defending myself, which some are misinterpreting, wilfully, as being 'too' defensive, whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean.

[Anomandaris]

Fanderay, on 03 February 2016 - 05:51 AM, said:

Eloth, on 03 February 2016 - 03:51 AM, said:

Yeah, activity is always some use.

I'm going to:

Vote Anomandaris

For posting just to say "I'm not getting involved with this discussion"...why so wary?

I actually like this vote. Ano posted something completely irrelevant and didn't answer me when I insulted him. I dislike that because it seems like he is trying to stay under the radar.

Vote Anomandaris

Also, it makes mathematical sense for me to lynch anyone except myself, so if a train starts on someone else I'll switch. I'm not choosy at all.

Already been mentioned, but I'd just like to add my giant font backing to this line being, gasp, weird. Lynch anyone except myself, in a faction game, sounds like indy or a leader.


Edit: spelling

This post has been edited by Anomandaris: 03 February 2016 - 12:30 PM

[Anomandaris]

I am now 'disappearing' again for a while.

[Denul]

reading up

[Gait]

I'm back for today and glad to see some activity.

[Aparal Forge]

Merrid, on 03 February 2016 - 12:05 PM, said:

Both you and Ano use this reasoning. It's bullshit to brand jumpiness as scumminess.
It's not about identifying scum. It is identifying juicy roles and see whether or not people are willing to defend those juicy roles.

What I was actually trying to convey is that I don't trust the arguments based on defensiveness and sympiness to be based solely on defensiveness and sympiness as this is a faction game and ulterior motives based on faction alignment suspicions might also be in play. For one, you must be damn certain that, when you think you've identified a player with an important role or ability that the player does not belong to your faction. So jumping on "defensiveness" alone will not do, you need to have information about the alignment of your target, except, of course, if you're unaligned yourself or an important figure in your own faction so you feel fairly save to lynch other suspected important roles.

[Grasp]

Having read up, I find the quick train on Ano strange. This being a faction game how the hell can all of those people know that Ano isnt in their faction. I dont have a clue who is in mine. I do like the Fanderay vote though. I will put my vote there for the time being.

Vote Fanderay

[Merrid]

Aparal Forge, on 03 February 2016 - 12:49 PM, said:

Merrid, on 03 February 2016 - 12:05 PM, said:

Both you and Ano use this reasoning. It's bullshit to brand jumpiness as scumminess.
It's not about identifying scum. It is identifying juicy roles and see whether or not people are willing to defend those juicy roles.

What I was actually trying to convey is that I don't trust the arguments based on defensiveness and sympiness to be based solely on defensiveness and sympiness as this is a faction game and ulterior motives based on faction alignment suspicions might also be in play. For one, you must be damn certain that, when you think you've identified a player with an important role or ability that the player does not belong to your faction. So jumping on "defensiveness" alone will not do, you need to have information about the alignment of your target, except, of course, if you're unaligned yourself or an important figure in your own faction so you feel fairly save to lynch other suspected important roles.

And how do you identify such a player if you are afraid of exposing your own?

This generally results in a no-lynch attitude where no-one is making waves.
That's been the bane of faction games on this board throughout the last 60 games or so, especially if there is a leadership pyramid and/or roughly equally strong factions in a game. Players simply won't move without their leader's example to go by - after which everyone and their mother on that faction generally follows and the lines in the sand become almost entirely cleared up.

Usually, up until that point the game stagnates into night phase shenanigans with the thread merely existing to avoid mod-kills and reading Path-Shaper's announcements.

[Aparal Forge]

Merrid, on 03 February 2016 - 01:31 PM, said:

And how do you identify such a player if you are afraid of exposing your own?

This generally results in a no-lynch attitude where no-one is making waves.
That's been the bane of faction games on this board throughout the last 60 games or so, especially if there is a leadership pyramid and/or roughly equally strong factions in a game. Players simply won't move without their leader's example to go by - after which everyone and their mother on that faction generally follows and the lines in the sand become almost entirely cleared up.

Usually, up until that point the game stagnates into night phase shenanigans with the thread merely existing to avoid mod-kills and reading Path-Shaper's announcements.

Oh, I disagree with you. The thing here is that there's not a "no-lynch" attitude at the moment, but a lynch train building quickly with hardly any discussion in between and, at that point, plenty of time left until end-of-day. Instead of just going along with that, I stopped and wondered why that's happening. In a faction game, that's not an absurd thing to do, so why are you actively trying to disengage me from doing that?

[Denul]

Merrid, on 03 February 2016 - 01:31 PM, said:

Aparal Forge, on 03 February 2016 - 12:49 PM, said:

Merrid, on 03 February 2016 - 12:05 PM, said:

Both you and Ano use this reasoning. It's bullshit to brand jumpiness as scumminess.
It's not about identifying scum. It is identifying juicy roles and see whether or not people are willing to defend those juicy roles.

What I was actually trying to convey is that I don't trust the arguments based on defensiveness and sympiness to be based solely on defensiveness and sympiness as this is a faction game and ulterior motives based on faction alignment suspicions might also be in play. For one, you must be damn certain that, when you think you've identified a player with an important role or ability that the player does not belong to your faction. So jumping on "defensiveness" alone will not do, you need to have information about the alignment of your target, except, of course, if you're unaligned yourself or an important figure in your own faction so you feel fairly save to lynch other suspected important roles.

And how do you identify such a player if you are afraid of exposing your own?

This generally results in a no-lynch attitude where no-one is making waves.
That's been the bane of faction games on this board throughout the last 60 games or so, especially if there is a leadership pyramid and/or roughly equally strong factions in a game. Players simply won't move without their leader's example to go by - after which everyone and their mother on that faction generally follows and the lines in the sand become almost entirely cleared up.

Usually, up until that point the game stagnates into night phase shenanigans with the thread merely existing to avoid mod-kills and reading Path-Shaper's announcements.

After a full read up, I tend to agree with you here Merrid. At first, I saw the Ano train as the scapegoat for a day one faction game. Sucks to be whoever it is but that's how these games go. However, Ano has defended himself pretty well.

This case by Kadagar;

Kadagar Fant, on 03 February 2016 - 09:46 AM, said:

Fanderay, on 03 February 2016 - 05:51 AM, said:

Eloth, on 03 February 2016 - 03:51 AM, said:

Yeah, activity is always some use.

I'm going to:

Vote Anomandaris

For posting just to say "I'm not getting involved with this discussion"...why so wary?

I actually like this vote. Ano posted something completely irrelevant and didn't answer me when I insulted him. I dislike that because it seems like he is trying to stay under the radar.

Vote Anomandaris

Also, it makes mathematical sense for me to lynch anyone except myself, so if a train starts on someone else I'll switch. I'm not choosy at all.

So, this line really jumped out at me. It definitely implies that Fanderay isn't worried who gets lynched as long as it isn't him, which bodes ill for a team game.

Fanderay, on 03 February 2016 - 09:16 AM, said:

Hanas, on 03 February 2016 - 09:08 AM, said:

Fanderay, on 03 February 2016 - 09:03 AM, said:

Anomandaris, on 03 February 2016 - 08:52 AM, said:

Fanderay, on 03 February 2016 - 08:51 AM, said:

Whoa, somebody just panicked.
Are you a faction leader or something?

Panicked? Who? Let's get them!

Is that question for real? I'm the guy who doesn't want to be lynched day 1, same as everyone else, obvs.

However, I don't think 4 consecutive posts in less than 8 minutes is normal behavior.

There's also his weird, pseudo-logical justification for voting for you. Might be a joke, but you know.
And then he disappears.
I'm pretty on the fence for actually lynching Anomandaris, but it might be interesting to see what happens if more pressure is applied.

I don't think we have anything better to go on tbh, it is day 1 and he IS acting really weird.

And then here he seems to be setting up the Andomandaris lynch as the only possibility, which is super iffy when we still have 10 hours of day one, and fewer than half the votes we'd need.

I don't like it. And there's no better reason for voting on day one.

Vote Fanderay.

I like this case, it has merit.

Vote Fanderay

[Denul]

Actually ^ I agree with both Aparal and Merrid on different points but I think, as demonstrated, that Fanderay is more lynch worthy than Ano.