[Olar Ethil]

Ultama, while you are still here, why were you voting Telas? Can you point that out for me? I don't understand why your vote was sitting there if you didn't want to lynch him.

Also, I was avoiding suggesting that you vote Den to prove anything; removing from Telas is smart play at this point but putting Den at L-1 when we have like 3 people willing to vote Den - more votes than we even need - is kinda weird. I'm not saying you are scum because you weren't voting for Den and now you are, but putting Den at L-1 without any reasons - no reasons for removing from Telas either - is odd to me.

[Olar Ethil]

Denesmet, on 02 December 2015 - 10:03 PM, said:

So, just a quick thought. If this lynch doesn't get town, we loose right? And at L-3, 2 scum should be able to take it to the end and win the game. But the lack of scum victory means scum either doesn't have the numbers to win tomorrow (that would be 2 scum, correct, if the symp is dead) or scum is already on the trains such that they can't force a lynch easily (from L-3).

Couple slips you made. I think you mean "scum" and not "town" (see underlined).

You're also missing the most obvious and third possibility - that the lynch train is actually *on* scum and therefore scum are not eager to hammer.

I think you just fucked up.

[Olar Ethil]

Denesmet, on 02 December 2015 - 10:03 PM, said:

So, just a quick thought. If this lynch doesn't get town, we loose right? And at L-3, 2 scum should be able to take it to the end and win the game. But the lack of scum victory means scum either doesn't have the numbers to win tomorrow (that would be 2 scum, correct, if the symp is dead) or scum is already on the trains such that they can't force a lynch easily (from L-3).

Sorry, another slip - how could 2 scum end the game if the lynch train is at L-3? That would mean 3 votes needed...and only 2 scum.

Getting your numbers mixed up? Probably hard when you are scum trying to avoid a lynch.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 4 hours and 17 minutes remaining

8 Players still alive: Denesmet, Fanderay, Kadagar Fant, Lock, Merrid, Olar Ethil, Telas, Ultama

5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Telas ( Denesmet )
4 Votes for Denesmet ( Merrid, Fanderay, Kadagar Fant, Ultama )

Players not voted: Lock, Olar Ethil, Telas

[Lock]

I had to split this stupid thing into multiple posts sorry.

So I know that I haven't been on very much today and believe you me I am would much rather be. I have gone through the thread looking for connections and interactions. I apologize for all of the quotes and potential ramblings I have been doing this post over the day between meetings.

So Day 1 we have this weird interaction between Denesmet and Ultama. I originally thought that it was just day 1 drag sex. But when you look at the full interaction it is very suspicious. What I also find suspicious upon reread is that it looks like Ultama went back and fixed mapple to maple. Which is a strange edit to make.

Denesmet, on 23 November 2015 - 06:24 PM, said:

What about dijon or mayo? Is that classy?

Ultama, on 23 November 2015 - 06:32 PM, said:

Maple syrup? Dragon semen?

Edited? No way, that must be some mistake.

Denesmet, on 23 November 2015 - 07:48 PM, said:

Mapple? Is that new fangled type of apple?

Ultama, on 23 November 2015 - 08:27 PM, said:

Denesmet, on 23 November 2015 - 07:48 PM, said:

Mapple? Is that new fangled type of apple?

What are you talking about?

Right off the bat Ultama seems to take an instant dislike to Denesment.

Ultama, on 24 November 2015 - 07:17 PM, said:

Allright

Denesmet is way too eager for regular d1 case imho. How can be too early to call strawman btw? How is it connected with game phase? Don't like AF being put at light?

I don't like Hanas's vote, only their reason they provided is reference to a fucking joke and I don't accept that.

So much eagerness because of this:

Grasp, on 23 November 2015 - 10:15 PM, said:

<sniff>

anyhoo I am a bit suspicious of the interaction of Hanas and AF right of the bat. The quick voting for each other then the vote removals. AF hadn't even posted when Hanas threw out the out of the blue vote on AF only to have AF right there within two minutes. Like maybe they were talking off thread and decided to come on and vote each other. Paired scum? Maybe, maybe not. Just throwing it out there.

?

Seems distracty(new word, suck it).

Very pointed in his distancing from Denesment.

Ultama, on 24 November 2015 - 07:43 PM, said:

I'm not going to vote with Den because his arguments suck.

I'm ok with voting AF because I just don't like his posts and the distraction thing.

vote Aparal

More distancing from Denesmet.

Ultama, on 24 November 2015 - 09:41 PM, said:

Merrid, on 24 November 2015 - 08:14 PM, said:

Denesmet, on 24 November 2015 - 04:45 PM, said:

vote grasp.

For suggesting a paired scum mechanic that requires signaling to identify each other while not seeing the logical fallacy of his purposefully misleading speculation.

Denesmet, on 24 November 2015 - 05:40 PM, said:

When is fake signaling or joke voting each other advantageous for both parties concerned? And off thread coms to discuss this action beforehand? Logic fail. Seems like you are digging for a rational rationale and coming up with cat shit.

Denesmet, on 24 November 2015 - 05:50 PM, said:

Looking for someone overdoing the townie angle and using poor mechanistic speculation to buff up their street cred. You fit the bill.

Voting for someone before they are on thread stands out. Roled players stereotypically are more careful. More logical, AF is at the start of the player list.

Which is basically why I agree with Denesmet. He says it a lot better and I'd the best case out there at present.

remove vote

Vote grasp

Yeah Grasp's theory surely has some holes...or black holes....


But he's not saying "hey, this is how it is, theyre scum, lynch them now!", he just threw it out as an idea, not real case

Den is making a mountain out of a molehill, and he is too eager into it

Now it looks like Denesmet's pressure has paid off Gasp reveals.

Grasp, on 24 November 2015 - 11:57 PM, said:

Denesmet, on 24 November 2015 - 11:51 PM, said:

Grasp, on 24 November 2015 - 11:49 PM, said:

Denesmet, on 24 November 2015 - 11:41 PM, said:

And onto the non sequitur phase of avoiding the noose.

And you know what comes next.

Acceptance?

Your way with words is going to get me killed.

It will cost the town a roled player.

[Olar Ethil]

Also, another thought I've had -

I know Fanderay linked KF/Ultama/Den and I did as well during my reread. KF and Ultama have now both voted Den. If Den is lynched and comes back scum, this does *not* clear KF or Ultama. Today is potentially D-Day; if a killer is about to be lynched, I can see scum conceding to lynch one of their own to increase their credibility, get another NK, and then it's D-Day again if we lynch wrong tomorrow.

Just wanted to say that, you know, in case I die or something.

[Ultama]

Olar Ethil, on 02 December 2015 - 10:07 PM, said:

Ultama, while you are still here, why were you voting Telas? Can you point that out for me? I don't understand why your vote was sitting there if you didn't want to lynch him.

Also, I was avoiding suggesting that you vote Den to prove anything; removing from Telas is smart play at this point but putting Den at L-1 when we have like 3 people willing to vote Den - more votes than we even need - is kinda weird. I'm not saying you are scum because you weren't voting for Den and now you are, but putting Den at L-1 without any reasons - no reasons for removing from Telas either - is odd to me.

At the beginning I it was kinda 50:50 for me to vote for Den/Telas, I decided fro Telas because the symp/killer thing I mentioned few posts earlier. I didn't remove because I didn't see the vote as such a big deal as you(and others I guess) did

I can't know if all the people will still be here by end of day, I think this will only help secure lynch, my intention is not to put him at L1 now, but securing.

[Lock]

Now Ultama comes up and targets Demesmet and Telas in a connection case.

Ultama, on 30 November 2015 - 03:41 PM, said:

Allright folks, I think I have a case.

Let's start here

Telas, on 24 November 2015 - 04:40 PM, said:

Shadow, on 24 November 2015 - 03:55 PM, said:

Aparal Forge, on 24 November 2015 - 02:58 PM, said:

Lock, on 24 November 2015 - 02:48 PM, said:

Shadow, on 23 November 2015 - 10:23 PM, said:

Hmm, I see a possible pattern developing. Let's test it out.
Vote Aparal Forge

What pattern are you talking about? I don't see anything other then usual day one trash.

I think he was expecting me to vote immediately in retaliation.


But if we are going to look for signalling in jokes, how about Fanderay saying he liked steak?

Yep, and then remove immediately with no explanation upon my removal, as you did with Hanas and Fanderay. But you did not.

So, he's scummy for not voting/removing you or are you still in the testing phase of your pattern theory? You haven't removed your vote so is it an actual vote?

AF has done some weird shit, making himself possible symp to scum. This is first time someone is against AF lynch. AF being possible symp, scum wouldn't want them to get lynched d1.

Denesmet, on 24 November 2015 - 04:45 PM, said:

vote grasp.
For suggesting a paired scum mechanic that requires signaling to identify each other while not seeing the logical fallacy of his purposefully misleading speculation.

This comes 5mins later. Clear distracting from AF lynch. Later Den calls AF case "silly" or "based on silly interaction" or something like that. Either way this case was not much better imho(surprise).

Another 15mins later this comes

Telas, on 24 November 2015 - 05:03 PM, said:

Denesmet, on 24 November 2015 - 04:45 PM, said:

vote grasp.
For suggesting a paired scum mechanic that requires signaling to identify each other while not seeing the logical fallacy of his purposefully misleading speculation.

Best case i can see in the page or two of dialogue..
Vote Grasp

Those three posts distracting from AF and in short period of time. Maybe after offthread discussion about certain symp possibilites?

Then we have Den puting pressure on Grasp. Later Den says pressure on AF was pointless. After first Grasp's "defending" posts, what were you getting Den? And then, what more were you expecting? What was the point that wasn't there with AF?

Next, after a one or two additional votes for Grasp, Den's pressure continues. And reveal comes.

After Telas was brought up by Shadow:

Denesmet, on 25 November 2015 - 12:35 AM, said:

Shadow, on 25 November 2015 - 12:23 AM, said:

Denesmet, on 25 November 2015 - 12:06 AM, said:

Well if you are roled town, you be dead (unless we are lucky enough to have a healer).
Remove Vote
Vote hanas
Hanas is so much more sketch than AF, but I'm going to look back again and see if there are any other twitchers like Grasp.

Reading back, I'm more inclined to go for Telas, who similarly jumped on but doesn't have the same carefree jump on jump off nature to their voting that Hanas does (by which I mean scum are less likely to be so flagrant with their desire to be on a lynch train).

Meh, I guess. I reread Telas and am not seeing what you are. Landed on Grasp after being somewhat helpful/constructive. Dunno, I see the AF vote as kind of stereotypical pile on without a thought situation. Would have expected a scummy Telas to happily drop
into the middle of that train not a foundling case like my own.

Den tells us this. But I clearly see what Shadow means and it is there.

Then, maybe after some reconsidering scum inferred AF is not the symp they're looking for and went on?

Kadagar Fant, on 25 November 2015 - 02:06 AM, said:

Denesmet, on 25 November 2015 - 02:02 AM, said:

Kadagar Fant, on 25 November 2015 - 01:59 AM, said:

Back home and will try to be around till timeout. Denesmet, what is with the Hanas vote? You've been trying to get everyone to vote anywhere but AF, but I missed your case there.

Not really anywhere but AF, but I can see why you think that. I just think lynching AF will be a waste since no one seems all that confident he'll turn up scum, but they want to test the silly interaction between him and Hanas. I also don't see why Hanas isn't a better candidate in this respect. Pressuring AF today seems to have turned up jack-shit (as opposed to my pressuring of Grasp I will note).


I will definitely help lynch AF if needed, but I am standing aside on principle currently, and I'll be around to help the lynch if needed in the next couple of hours.

I think the logic is that he voted AF before AF signed on. So if it was a symp signaling, then most likely AF is the master.

[Ultama]

The thing with apple maple was just a joke, not disliking there or anything like that

[Lock]

Then we get this sequence of posts.

Quote

Denesmet, on 25 November 2015 - 04:05 AM, said:

Um, like hammer guys. Like OMG.

Denesmet, on 25 November 2015 - 04:20 AM, said:

4 min

Telas, on 25 November 2015 - 04:22 AM, said:

Remove vote
Vote af

Denesmet, on 25 November 2015 - 04:22 AM, said:

2 min

Telas, on 25 November 2015 - 04:22 AM, said:

Not sure if got back in time.

Denesmet, on 25 November 2015 - 04:22 AM, said:

Took your time.

Den looking like townie being scared of not getting lynch and Telas looking like hero to town who made it in time. Funny It's those two again, isn't it?

Should be around until roughly 3 hours remaining.

[Lock]

Ultama, on 01 December 2015 - 08:06 PM, said:

Kadagar Fant, on 01 December 2015 - 07:13 PM, said:

Olar Ethil, on 01 December 2015 - 04:52 PM, said:

Kadagar Fant, on 01 December 2015 - 04:07 PM, said:

Olar Ethil, on 01 December 2015 - 11:26 AM, said:

mandatory modkill post...hope to be back fully tomorrow

This. If you can post this much, you can give an opinion.

no...no, this is wrong. If I only had time to post from my phone to avoid modkill but couldn't read the entire thread, plz explain to me how I had time to "give an opinion" about anyone other than myself.

Also I am reading up. Like Scar, be prepared....for...stuff I post later on. And thingz.

I didn't know wth you were talking about here so I googled it...
For everyone else:
https://m.youtube.co...h?v=vHP4VbhtGJ4
So like Scar you are saying that we are all stupid and that you plan on killing someone so you can take over?

This looks like you are planting an Easter egg so you can laugh at us all for not catching onto your reveal as killer.

Fuck that shit.
vote Olar Ethil

Honestly...I thought everyone knows Lion King and Scar. Damn I loved it back then...

Actually when I read the line I naturally switched on my sarcasm voice.

So what we got from Lock so far is zero content from beginning, then loudy defence after being called out and voted, and now turning to easiest prey. I don't like especially the 2nd and 3rd phase.

Den keeps doing the same bullshit he's done d1, or atleast he started to do so. Wonder what your reasons were this time?

Denesmet, on 01 December 2015 - 09:05 PM, said:

Khells is a good player with keen insight. I really am having trouble locking onto Telas, but think that Khell's gut (as long as he wasn't symp) may be good enough reason to knock off Telas. I need to read more, of course, so expect me back around the same time as yesterday.

Ultama, on 02 December 2015 - 12:51 PM, said:

Biggeat problem are numbers now. Possibly theres 3 scum alive, if we lynch One RI, killers kill another and we lost. Thats why Den could be best choice, even if theýre symp

Ultama, on 02 December 2015 - 02:06 PM, said:

Ultama, on 02 December 2015 - 01:03 PM, said:

Ultama, on 02 December 2015 - 12:51 PM, said:

Biggeat problem are numbers now. Possibly theres 3 scum alive, if we lynch One RI, killers kill another and we lost. Thats why Den could be best choice, even if theýre symp

Thats also why Den's flu post is susp to me. They might be just hoping we will let that matter for tommorow, which also plays in favoir of them being symp, I dont think killer would bet on symp being alive and do this.

So I would sum this up like this: Den is more likely to be scum than Telas, but Telas is more likely to be killer.

With the numbers, maybe we should go with Den. Thoughts?

Denesmet, on 02 December 2015 - 04:05 PM, said:

I understand (and applaud) the skepticism. I haven't gotten more than an hour of sleep in a row after fever (103.6 F / 39.8 C) dreams kept me awake. My body aches in its entirety and there really are not nose or throat problems to speak up (slight stuffiness and slight sore throat with dry cough).

I am fine going Telas. I just can't get a read on him and feel like we are being led by the nose today by people like KF. You'll note this is vote three (over the hump) on Telas.

Vote Telas

Man I totally lost where I was at in all of those posts so I will post down here my thoughts. Ultima has been going after Denesmet and Telas for most of the game. They have had a lot of suspicious contact. I originally was thinking that Ultima had a weird connection and was trying to distance himself from Denesmet and Telas. But now I think that he has just latched on to something and is gnawing on it all game. If Ultima is Denesmet or Telas's symp then he is the worst symp of all time. One or two cases would have worked for distancing.

Right now I think that if Denesmet is scum then Telas or merrid is his partner. If Denesmet is town then scum could be Ultima and Kadagar Fant, they have been leading lynching and driving trains.

I don't see Denesmet as a symp. I think that removing Denesmet will help focus things.

Vote Denesmet

[Telas]

I guess that ends the day

[Lock]

I really apoligize for all of that. I didn't realize how messed up it was until I started to try to post it. Just a mangle. Like I said earlier I have just getting on when I could reading some and clicking multiquote on things that seemed to stand out. Time just isn't there for me right now.

I got to go catch my train.

[Ultama]

Lock, on 02 December 2015 - 10:17 PM, said:

Ultama, on 01 December 2015 - 08:06 PM, said:

Kadagar Fant, on 01 December 2015 - 07:13 PM, said:

Olar Ethil, on 01 December 2015 - 04:52 PM, said:

Kadagar Fant, on 01 December 2015 - 04:07 PM, said:

Olar Ethil, on 01 December 2015 - 11:26 AM, said:

mandatory modkill post...hope to be back fully tomorrow

This. If you can post this much, you can give an opinion.

no...no, this is wrong. If I only had time to post from my phone to avoid modkill but couldn't read the entire thread, plz explain to me how I had time to "give an opinion" about anyone other than myself.

Also I am reading up. Like Scar, be prepared....for...stuff I post later on. And thingz.

I didn't know wth you were talking about here so I googled it...
For everyone else:
https://m.youtube.co...h?v=vHP4VbhtGJ4
So like Scar you are saying that we are all stupid and that you plan on killing someone so you can take over?

This looks like you are planting an Easter egg so you can laugh at us all for not catching onto your reveal as killer.

Fuck that shit.
vote Olar Ethil

Honestly...I thought everyone knows Lion King and Scar. Damn I loved it back then...

Actually when I read the line I naturally switched on my sarcasm voice.

So what we got from Lock so far is zero content from beginning, then loudy defence after being called out and voted, and now turning to easiest prey. I don't like especially the 2nd and 3rd phase.

Den keeps doing the same bullshit he's done d1, or atleast he started to do so. Wonder what your reasons were this time?

Denesmet, on 01 December 2015 - 09:05 PM, said:

Khells is a good player with keen insight. I really am having trouble locking onto Telas, but think that Khell's gut (as long as he wasn't symp) may be good enough reason to knock off Telas. I need to read more, of course, so expect me back around the same time as yesterday.

Ultama, on 02 December 2015 - 12:51 PM, said:

Biggeat problem are numbers now. Possibly theres 3 scum alive, if we lynch One RI, killers kill another and we lost. Thats why Den could be best choice, even if theýre symp

Ultama, on 02 December 2015 - 02:06 PM, said:

Ultama, on 02 December 2015 - 01:03 PM, said:

Ultama, on 02 December 2015 - 12:51 PM, said:

Biggeat problem are numbers now. Possibly theres 3 scum alive, if we lynch One RI, killers kill another and we lost. Thats why Den could be best choice, even if theýre symp

Thats also why Den's flu post is susp to me. They might be just hoping we will let that matter for tommorow, which also plays in favoir of them being symp, I dont think killer would bet on symp being alive and do this.

So I would sum this up like this: Den is more likely to be scum than Telas, but Telas is more likely to be killer.

With the numbers, maybe we should go with Den. Thoughts?

Denesmet, on 02 December 2015 - 04:05 PM, said:

I understand (and applaud) the skepticism. I haven't gotten more than an hour of sleep in a row after fever (103.6 F / 39.8 C) dreams kept me awake. My body aches in its entirety and there really are not nose or throat problems to speak up (slight stuffiness and slight sore throat with dry cough).

I am fine going Telas. I just can't get a read on him and feel like we are being led by the nose today by people like KF. You'll note this is vote three (over the hump) on Telas.

Vote Telas

Man I totally lost where I was at in all of those posts so I will post down here my thoughts. Ultima has been going after Denesmet and Telas for most of the game. They have had a lot of suspicious contact. I originally was thinking that Ultima had a weird connection and was trying to distance himself from Denesmet and Telas. But now I think that he has just latched on to something and is gnawing on it all game. If Ultima is Denesmet or Telas's symp then he is the worst symp of all time. One or two cases would have worked for distancing.

Right now I think that if Denesmet is scum then Telas or merrid is his partner. If Denesmet is town then scum could be Ultima and Kadagar Fant, they have been leading lynching and driving trains.

I don't see Denesmet as a symp. I think that removing Denesmet will help focus things.

Vote Denesmet

Thats a lynch isnt it? Guess I should've waited with my vote as you said Olar...

[Lock]

Ultama, on 02 December 2015 - 10:16 PM, said:

The thing with apple maple was just a joke, not disliking there or anything like that

It was your editting of mapple that stood out.

[Olar Ethil]

Ultama, on 02 December 2015 - 10:20 PM, said:

Thats a lynch isnt it? Guess I should've waited with my vote as you said Olar...

Yes, that is why, and yes, that's a lynch.

Now we wait.

[Olar Ethil]

It's too bad someone else wasn't able to remove after Ultama's vote. Lock jumping in with the hammer is timed quite suspiciously; if he's scum then this was good play, regardless of whether Den is scum or not. If Den is scum, Lock looks RI; if Den is RI, Lock has the xpost excuse (and the game is also over...).

[Ultama]

Lock, on 02 December 2015 - 10:21 PM, said:

Ultama, on 02 December 2015 - 10:16 PM, said:

The thing with apple maple was just a joke, not disliking there or anything like that

It was your editting of mapple that stood out.

I just had to edit something after last game.
And it felt good fyi.

[Telas]

yeah, I'm not much of a fan of the drive by hammer

[Ultama]

Does anyone here know PS summoning ritual(Canadian version)?