[Denul]

I'm tempted to believe Silanah was clean, but that doesn't mean he was an oracle. He used his find on Omtose, not Shadow. Besides, he also attacked Anomandaris. Sure, Silanah's hunches might be accurate, but I think we shouldn't blindly copy them, but do some digging of our own.

For one, Anomandaris seemed rather inclined to lynched Silanah, even after the cop reveal. They also agreed with Karosis, but I'm still not entirely sure what they exactly agreed with.

[Anomandaris]

Denul, on 11 November 2015 - 08:42 PM, said:

I'm tempted to believe Silanah was clean, but that doesn't mean he was an oracle. He used his find on Omtose, not Shadow. Besides, he also attacked Anomandaris. Sure, Silanah's hunches might be accurate, but I think we shouldn't blindly copy them, but do some digging of our own.

For one, Anomandaris seemed rather inclined to lynched Silanah, even after the cop reveal. They also agreed with Karosis, but I'm still not entirely sure what they exactly agreed with.

I agreed with NOT just believing everything someone said. I could come on here and reveal I'm Mary Queen of Scotts, It doesn't make it true.

[Togg]

Anomandaris, on 11 November 2015 - 08:46 PM, said:

Denul, on 11 November 2015 - 08:42 PM, said:

I'm tempted to believe Silanah was clean, but that doesn't mean he was an oracle. He used his find on Omtose, not Shadow. Besides, he also attacked Anomandaris. Sure, Silanah's hunches might be accurate, but I think we shouldn't blindly copy them, but do some digging of our own.

For one, Anomandaris seemed rather inclined to lynched Silanah, even after the cop reveal. They also agreed with Karosis, but I'm still not entirely sure what they exactly agreed with.

I agreed with NOT just believing everything someone said. I could come on here and reveal I'm Mary Queen of Scotts, It doesn't make it true.

You mean you AREN'T?!

[Shadow]

Anomandaris, on 11 November 2015 - 08:46 PM, said:

Denul, on 11 November 2015 - 08:42 PM, said:

I'm tempted to believe Silanah was clean, but that doesn't mean he was an oracle. He used his find on Omtose, not Shadow. Besides, he also attacked Anomandaris. Sure, Silanah's hunches might be accurate, but I think we shouldn't blindly copy them, but do some digging of our own.

For one, Anomandaris seemed rather inclined to lynched Silanah, even after the cop reveal. They also agreed with Karosis, but I'm still not entirely sure what they exactly agreed with.

I agreed with NOT just believing everything someone said. I could come on here and reveal I'm Mary Queen of Scotts, It doesn't make it true.

Problem is you voted against probability. After revelaing being cop, in the worse case it was 50/50 on being good/bad(Let me know if this is not right assumption). But the features Sil was looking for were surely scummy, or not? And they picked every one with the features and put them in light. So the probability was he was telling truth. And your reason was "there are bad cops too. fuck it."

[Anomandaris]

Shadow, on 11 November 2015 - 08:56 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 11 November 2015 - 08:46 PM, said:

Denul, on 11 November 2015 - 08:42 PM, said:

I'm tempted to believe Silanah was clean, but that doesn't mean he was an oracle. He used his find on Omtose, not Shadow. Besides, he also attacked Anomandaris. Sure, Silanah's hunches might be accurate, but I think we shouldn't blindly copy them, but do some digging of our own.

For one, Anomandaris seemed rather inclined to lynched Silanah, even after the cop reveal. They also agreed with Karosis, but I'm still not entirely sure what they exactly agreed with.

I agreed with NOT just believing everything someone said. I could come on here and reveal I'm Mary Queen of Scotts, It doesn't make it true.

Problem is you voted against probability. After revelaing being cop, in the worse case it was 50/50 on being good/bad(Let me know if this is not right assumption). But the features Sil was looking for were surely scummy, or not? And they picked every one with the features and put them in light. So the probability was he was telling truth. And your reason was "there are bad cops too. fuck it."

I thought he was pulling a last minute stunt to stop the the train on him and make sure there wasn't enough time for a new train. I may have been wrong, but it doesn't excuse his poor playing.

[Path-Shaper]

The Coroner's Office releases the following information:

Path-Shaper said:

Your autopsy results:

Omtose was a Mafioso warrior and HappyMad

[Path-Shaper]

The Coroner's Office releases the following information:

Path-Shaper said:

Your autopsy results:

Silanah was an FBI Agent and LinearPhilospher

[Denul]

So far, things seem to check out.

[Togg]

Denul, on 11 November 2015 - 09:46 PM, said:

So far, things seem to check out.

Yep.

[Shadow]

Togg's post summary

Left out d1 kinky posts

Togg, on 10 November 2015 - 06:16 PM, said:

Why are we even arguing about lynching?

vote Silanah

Scum talk.

I'm sick as a dog too. Ha!

Basically first post related to game.

Togg, on 10 November 2015 - 06:29 PM, said:

Yes... What did you just let slip Korlat?

So since Fener is showing as alive, there may be mechanics that allow him to vote. I think he's a valuable asset for information, which may make him a target of the SK, so I'd assume he has at least a BP.

Togg, on 10 November 2015 - 08:31 PM, said:

Denul, on 10 November 2015 - 07:20 PM, said:

Togg, on 10 November 2015 - 06:29 PM, said:

Yes... What did you just let slip Korlat?

Seems like Korlat has gone into hiding, waiting for day's end.

I'm tempted to vote for Korlat, just to get an answer.

I could agree based on his slip.

Togg, on 10 November 2015 - 08:36 PM, said:

Eloth, on 10 November 2015 - 07:50 PM, said:

Denul, on 10 November 2015 - 07:43 PM, said:

So, you're saying that Silanah's no-lynch suggestion was just a noob-action, but that actual backing of such an idea while staying low is more suspicious?

What makes you think backing it up is any less noobish than suggesting it in the first place?

Yep. I found it more suspicious.

I see what your saying and it is a good point. I guess my thinking was that they backed them when the pressure was on Silanah over that comment and that seemed a less noobish thing to do. That a noob would of stayed out of the argument not actively joined it.

Who is the bigger Noob? The Noob or the one who follows him?

Except nobody was following nobody and this is why I had to point out that typo.

Togg, on 11 November 2015 - 01:43 AM, said:

Weird end of day there... I'm always suspicious of a speed lynch because it is usually scum driving the train. A cf would be helpful...

Togg, on 11 November 2015 - 02:16 AM, said:

Ha! Omtose is still in jail...

Wasnt it said before hes gonna stay there until he is bailed?

Togg, on 11 November 2015 - 02:41 AM, said:

Well I'm wiped. With no cf or confirmation on whether Silanah is a good cop or bad cop, neither of those trains is telling me much other than that those who voted for Karosis were awfully sure he wasn't on their team,so they felt confident piling on. But it's day 1, and there be noobs about. I'm going to sleep on it and hope that Fener hears a rumor.

Now we have cf, what do trains say to you?

Togg, on 11 November 2015 - 02:43 PM, said:

Just got caught up.. Good catch on Karosis! That gives us some info on anyone that actively tried to prevent the lynch.
I'll go with Emur's catch
vote Omtose

So what info have you got from it again?

Togg, on 11 November 2015 - 03:15 PM, said:

I agree. Shadow is on my list as possible scum too. I think we should lynch known scum today first though.

Oh, so you agree again? What about coming up with your own stuff?

Togg, on 11 November 2015 - 05:03 PM, said:

I think lynching Omtose was inevitable with the alleged mafioso find. We have to test the reveal.

That is not connected with speed lynching, only with lynching.


I dont like you just hiding behind Silanah's case. You actually never pointed out anything by yourself, you just agree on other people and follow them. Plus what content have you put in? I cant see anything more useful than polemizing about Fener in early posts.

[Togg]

Shadow, on 11 November 2015 - 09:53 PM, said:

Togg's post summary

Left out d1 kinky posts

Togg, on 10 November 2015 - 06:16 PM, said:

Why are we even arguing about lynching?

vote Silanah

Scum talk.

I'm sick as a dog too. Ha!

Basically first post related to game.

Togg, on 10 November 2015 - 06:29 PM, said:

Yes... What did you just let slip Korlat?

So since Fener is showing as alive, there may be mechanics that allow him to vote. I think he's a valuable asset for information, which may make him a target of the SK, so I'd assume he has at least a BP.

Togg, on 10 November 2015 - 08:31 PM, said:

Denul, on 10 November 2015 - 07:20 PM, said:

Togg, on 10 November 2015 - 06:29 PM, said:

Yes... What did you just let slip Korlat?

Seems like Korlat has gone into hiding, waiting for day's end.

I'm tempted to vote for Korlat, just to get an answer.

I could agree based on his slip.

Togg, on 10 November 2015 - 08:36 PM, said:

Eloth, on 10 November 2015 - 07:50 PM, said:

Denul, on 10 November 2015 - 07:43 PM, said:

So, you're saying that Silanah's no-lynch suggestion was just a noob-action, but that actual backing of such an idea while staying low is more suspicious?

What makes you think backing it up is any less noobish than suggesting it in the first place?

Yep. I found it more suspicious.

I see what your saying and it is a good point. I guess my thinking was that they backed them when the pressure was on Silanah over that comment and that seemed a less noobish thing to do. That a noob would of stayed out of the argument not actively joined it.

Who is the bigger Noob? The Noob or the one who follows him?

Except nobody was following nobody and this is why I had to point out that typo.

Togg, on 11 November 2015 - 01:43 AM, said:

Weird end of day there... I'm always suspicious of a speed lynch because it is usually scum driving the train. A cf would be helpful...

Togg, on 11 November 2015 - 02:16 AM, said:

Ha! Omtose is still in jail...

Wasnt it said before hes gonna stay there until he is bailed?

Togg, on 11 November 2015 - 02:41 AM, said:

Well I'm wiped. With no cf or confirmation on whether Silanah is a good cop or bad cop, neither of those trains is telling me much other than that those who voted for Karosis were awfully sure he wasn't on their team,so they felt confident piling on. But it's day 1, and there be noobs about. I'm going to sleep on it and hope that Fener hears a rumor.

Now we have cf, what do trains say to you?

Togg, on 11 November 2015 - 02:43 PM, said:

Just got caught up.. Good catch on Karosis! That gives us some info on anyone that actively tried to prevent the lynch.
I'll go with Emur's catch
vote Omtose

So what info have you got from it again?

Togg, on 11 November 2015 - 03:15 PM, said:

I agree. Shadow is on my list as possible scum too. I think we should lynch known scum today first though.

Oh, so you agree again? What about coming up with your own stuff?

Togg, on 11 November 2015 - 05:03 PM, said:

I think lynching Omtose was inevitable with the alleged mafioso find. We have to test the reveal.

That is not connected with speed lynching, only with lynching.


I dont like you just hiding behind Silanah's case. You actually never pointed out anything by yourself, you just agree on other people and follow them. Plus what content have you put in? I cant see anything more useful than polemizing about Fener in early posts.

Actually I've been trying to vote where it makes sense. I missed end of day on Karosis or I would have switched votes. PS said that when you are in jail it only prevents SOME actions, so it made sense to get rid of a known scum. Sorry I haven't had time to spam the thread or string together a massive string of quotes. I'm trying to move across country this week.

[Liosan]

So while the two crime factions have lost people and have been active, it is notable that the SK has been inactive two nights in a row. Interesting.

[Gait]

Liosan, on 12 November 2015 - 02:24 AM, said:

So while the two crime factions have lost people and have been active, it is notable that the SK has been inactive two nights in a row. Interesting.

I find it more interesting how you can be sure he has been "inactive"

From the OP we know he kidnaps one night and the next the hands/head are found. So for no parts to be found today at least 1 kidnap has failed. That means either someone is immune, that the target died sooner through other means - lynch or NK - or that he has been Guarded.

If only a Guard is considered, now he would now have confirmation that the SK is one of at most two alts. If only an immunity is considered it is highly likely the SK would have tried to drive a lynch on the failed victim.

I don't have the time to re-read, could someone else look into the second consideration please.

[Grasp]

Ultama, on 11 November 2015 - 09:49 AM, said:

Liosan, on 11 November 2015 - 09:46 AM, said:

You know Ultama, its a bit strange really the way you keep on misreading the OP. You got it drastically wrong on day 1 and I assumed you had read it after that, but you didn't know there were cartels? Who could influence the game? Cartel captain became Police Captain? Really?

Having trouble accepting this as another silly mistake.

What do you mean good sir? I'm lazy I guess. In the OP I picked up on Fener as the reporter and that the body snatcher has arrived. The rest I took to be flavour text.

The game is essentially town vs scum and I took the SK to be the main scum. I discounted all the rest.

Ok, I cannot let this go on my reread. I see no way Ultima could have been so careless and made such a stupid mistake. Also, to actually quote the mistake and not recognize it after having it there to reread? There is something majorly wrong here.

I looked back at how he acted during the first lynch. Did anyone else notice how he just danced around that lynch, never landing on Karo (despite several comments saying he thought Karo was suspicious), even voting Emur out of the blue while checking out Shadow for being middle of the road.

Ultima is hiding something, something big is my gut.

Vote Ultima

[Grasp]

Liosan, on 11 November 2015 - 09:57 AM, said:

Korlat, on 10 November 2015 - 11:23 AM, said:

Ultama, on 10 November 2015 - 10:09 AM, said:

vote graspWith Feners update it insinuates that the body snatcher moved during the day. Do we think that would mean we have Fodder for one day? Grasp has not posted yet, it could be that he is the body snatcher and he's selected a target already. Do we think we'd kill him if we lynch his current body? We've got to up the activity regardless. Not saying you should post a ton but post in a way that is hard to copy or distinctive in some way. I'm going to keep my level of activity up throughout the game.

What are you blathering about? What part of the post insinuated any such thing? What are you drooling about a current body? We were specifically told there would be no FM.

Ultama, on 10 November 2015 - 11:29 AM, said:

Ok so the Body Snatcher is just his name, where did it say no FM?

Ultama, on 10 November 2015 - 11:31 AM, said:

Forgive me I knew I saw it somewhere.

Quote

TMDI 10+This will be essentially a Town v Scum game, but both sides have factions within and without. Multiple Victory Conditions exist. Both exclusionary and inclusionary. Should this game be successful then sequels are guaranteed.There will be a SK. There will be a Survivor. There will be recruiting.There will not be: FMing, Necromancing, Jestering.There will be new actions: Arrest, Post Bail, Retire.

Ultama, on 10 November 2015 - 11:32 AM, said:

Are we going to assume Fener is the Survivor? The SK is the Body Snatcher.Does it identify who the recruiters will be?

So right here you thought there was an FM, you got called on it, you went back, read and quoted OP and everything was sunshine and bunnies.

Then Day 2 you say this is a regular town vs scum game? Despite the OP, despite the blog posts? Despite the clear 'factions inside both' being mentioned?

If you are innocent and this is a mistake you are helping scum by misleading people. Or you are scum.

Looks like Lio did early ground work on this mug.

[Liosan]

Oh yes, Ultama struck me as wrong from the beginning. Way too many 'mistakes' and always rather weak excuses. But the Omtose-Silanah scenario distracted me.

[Ultama]

I'll address the second part first then come back to the first.

Quote

Ok, I cannot let this go on my reread. I see no way Ultima could have been so careless and made such a stupid mistake. Also, to actually quote the mistake and not recognize it after having it there to reread? There is something majorly wrong here.

I looked back at how he acted during the first lynch. Did anyone else notice how he just danced around that lynch, never landing on Karo (despite several comments saying he thought Karo was suspicious), even voting Emur out of the blue while checking out Shadow for being middle of the road.

Karosis, on 10 November 2015 - 11:18 PM, said:

Hey, I was at least able to read up through the thread.

The oddest thing to me right now is Eloth's vote on Emur; Eloth made this long post about Emur this, whatever, and didn't vote. It wasn't until Omtose pushed him to vote that Eloth voted Emur, which looks like deflection from the Silanah train (which was at 4/8 votes). I suspect we will need to look into this more tomorrow as the day is ending, as others said.

I'm in the Day 1 lynch >>> Day 1 no-lynch camp for sure, and I can get behind the Silanah lynch.

Vote Silanah

So this is Karosis voting Silanah after his reveal.

Here is me already looking for an alternative to Silanah. At this stage Shadow has 2 votes.

Ultama, on 10 November 2015 - 11:56 PM, said:

Shadow is middle of the pack, I'll quickly read him.

Honest opinion, I could have just hopped on board here and added to the alternate train. As time was short we may have lynched Shadow.

Ultama, on 11 November 2015 - 12:00 AM, said:

I'm not feeling a shadow lynch. I've liked their play so far. What's the beef with them?

Here is you explaining to Denul? The reason you're voting Karosis.

Grasp, on 11 November 2015 - 12:01 AM, said:

Jesus dude. I am voting Karo for forcing a lynch on a possibly inno person.

This is not flopping around like you suggest. It is a cross post. Look at the time stamp. 1 minute.

Ultama, on 11 November 2015 - 12:02 AM, said:

vote Emurlahn

He's 2 posts in. Not pro active town play is it. I'm open to suggestions though.

Was going to go asleep thinking Silanah was being lynched but I'll stay up to give you my vote.

May be significant for my second part.

Ultama, on 11 November 2015 - 12:03 AM, said:

Grasp, on 11 November 2015 - 12:01 AM, said:

Jesus dude. I am voting Karo for forcing a lynch on a possibly inno person.

That is a good call. Has he explained himself?

Ultama, on 11 November 2015 - 12:10 AM, said:

remove vote

Vote karosis

Trying to push through a lynch on a cop. What a mistake to make.

There you go. Looking at your reason for voting Karosis I jump on board. At the same time as Silanah. I effectively got the train moving along. So look back again at the lynch and get your facts straight.

[Ultama]

The first part of what you say is true. I can pull up multiple posts by me that have looked stupid, clumsy, ignorant. That's something I've been doing on purpose. I wanted to look unrecruitable for a start. Usually a recruiter will try and pick the most sensible reasonable and clever alts. You'll see after the game how much joy I've had doing so.

I've been early on both scum trains which should narrow my allegiance down.

Someone mentioned that I got aggressive when accused of being scum but that's because I know I'm not. One of my VCs does state that the SK has to be dead and may be some if the reason I've wanted him gone.

[Ultama]

Here is the two lynch trains so far.

Path-Shaper, on 11 November 2015 - 12:21 AM, said:

It is Day One. That's a lynch.

Players remaining: Anomandaris, Denul, Eloth, Emurlahn, Fener, Gait, Grasp, Karosis, Korlat, Liosan, Omtose, Shadow, Silanah, Tholen, Togg, Ultama

8 votes needed for lynch, 8 votes go to night.


4 vote Silanah: Shadow, Togg, Korlat, Karosis
8 vote Karosis: Grasp, Silanah, Ultama, Eloth, Gait, Denul, Anomandaris, Tholen


Players not voting: Emurlahn, Liosan
Players in jail: Omtose

Karosis is dead.

Path-Shaper, on 11 November 2015 - 04:26 PM, said:

It is Day Two. That's a lynch.

Players remaining: Anomandaris, Denul, Eloth, Emurlahn, Fener, Gait, Grasp, Korlat, Liosan, Omtose, Shadow, Silanah, Tholen, Togg, Ultama

8 votes needed for lynch, 7 votes go to night.

7 votes Omtose: Emurlahn, Ultama, Korlat, Grasp, shadow, Togg, Liosan, Anomandaris


Players not voting:, Denul, Eloth, Gait, Shadow, Tholen, Omtose
Players in jail:

[Ultama]

Curious to see the three who left their votes on Silanah day one are also on the day 2 train.