[Korlat]

Denul, on 12 November 2015 - 11:38 AM, said:

Korlat, on 12 November 2015 - 10:21 AM, said:

PS, rather.

Why are you so insistent on a Fener-PS connection? I'm not convinced Fener has anything to do with PS, I think it's probably a sock-puppet. Care to explain why you seem to so insistently press that Fener is PS-controlled?

Yeah, you need to read more carefully. Bolded below in Fener's post.

Fener, on 12 November 2015 - 08:12 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on 12 November 2015 - 08:02 AM, said:

If we all promise not to rush the voting: my Buddy, who is on a roll with scum finds, found Korlat to be Mafia.
I also have the identity of a cop on the Mafia's payroll, but I hope removing the paymaster will turn the cop around.


Vote Korlat.

As you walk to work along your usual route you spot something new - a square of card has been pinned over the crossing light. It has your name on it. Warily you don a pair of gloves from your trenchcoat and lift it off. On the reverse is a crisply typed message:

Quote

Call me

A cell number is written below. You think that the is Shaping up nicely and thank goodness you didn't deviate from your usual Path to work.

[Denul]

Korlat, on 12 November 2015 - 11:41 AM, said:

Yeah, you need to read more carefully. Bolded below in Fener's post.

I got that, but it doesn't make sense. I think your assuming too much out of this. Remember it's the person controlling Fener who wrote that, maybe someone wants to make it appear as if Fener is PS controlled. Don't let yourself be fooled too easily.

Fener seems to be reaching out to people who already have information, i.e finds and stuff, not people who need information. I'd say Fener is someone who releases information to thread from roled players.

[Korlat]

Denul, on 12 November 2015 - 11:45 AM, said:

Korlat, on 12 November 2015 - 11:41 AM, said:

Yeah, you need to read more carefully. Bolded below in Fener's post.

I got that, but it doesn't make sense. I think your assuming too much out of this. Remember it's the person controlling Fener who wrote that, maybe someone wants to make it appear as if Fener is PS controlled. Don't let yourself be fooled too easily.

Fener seems to be reaching out to people who already have information, i.e finds and stuff, not people who need information. I'd say Fener is someone who releases information to thread from roled players.

Well yes, obviously he is. But the point I'm making is that Emur is being told to 'call' PS, or at least something along those lines - that's the way I read it. In any case, I'm saying wait till we see what comes of this, because I promise you that not all is as it seems right now.

[Korlat]

Perhaps I should be so mysterious.


Basically, there's a whole load of finders in this game - I count FOUR I know of so far (one of them dead, Silanah). With so many finders, there's going to be some mechanic which screw with finds as well.

[Korlat]

* Perhaps I SHOULDN'T be so mysterious, the above should read.


A pox on your no editing rule.

[Denul]

Korlat, on 12 November 2015 - 11:49 AM, said:

Well yes, obviously he is. But the point I'm making is that Emur is being told to 'call' PS, or at least something along those lines - that's the way I read it. In any case, I'm saying wait till we see what comes of this, because I promise you that not all is as it seems right now.

No shit, Sherlock.

First, I don't believe Fener is PS controlled, even if you think it or try hard to make it seem that Fener is. The timeline for Fener doesn't fit that, nor does the release and request for information fit that. If you continue insisting Fener is PS controlled, well, that makes you very suspicious.

Second, have you considered how such contact between Fener and what you would call a source comes about? As far as I can tell, that contact is done via PM not directly on thread. Now, I don't take the liberty in contacting another alt via PM, so I guess that contact would have to be mediated through PS. So, that's why PS must be involved in the (establishment of) contact. So, sure, PS is involved, that doesn't mean PS actually controls Fener.

[Korlat]

Denul, on 12 November 2015 - 11:56 AM, said:

Korlat, on 12 November 2015 - 11:49 AM, said:

Well yes, obviously he is. But the point I'm making is that Emur is being told to 'call' PS, or at least something along those lines - that's the way I read it. In any case, I'm saying wait till we see what comes of this, because I promise you that not all is as it seems right now.

No shit, Sherlock.

First, I don't believe Fener is PS controlled, even if you think it or try hard to make it seem that Fener is. The timeline for Fener doesn't fit that, nor does the release and request for information fit that. If you continue insisting Fener is PS controlled, well, that makes you very suspicious.

Second, have you considered how such contact between Fener and what you would call a source comes about? As far as I can tell, that contact is done via PM not directly on thread. Now, I don't take the liberty in contacting another alt via PM, so I guess that contact would have to be mediated through PS. So, that's why PS must be involved in the (establishment of) contact. So, sure, PS is involved, that doesn't mean PS actually controls Fener.

Why do you insist that I've constantly insisted that Fener is PS controlled? I've gone along with the majority opinion on that one, which is that he's a mod puppet, not knowing any better one way or the other. Not sure why you're getting so twisted up about that, or what the particular relevance is right now. If you have more info on that, share away rather than blustering.

[Emurlahn]

Denul, on 12 November 2015 - 11:38 AM, said:

Korlat, on 12 November 2015 - 10:21 AM, said:

PS, rather.

Why are you so insistent on a Fener-PS connection? I'm not convinced Fener has anything to do with PS, I think it's probably a sock-puppet. Care to explain why you seem to so insistently press that Fener is PS-controlled?

Because Fener always has information before we get scenes, and a Fener post was edited by P-S at the least once, perhaps to insert a story?


The post Fener made now also referred to P-S (last line, [day] is Shaping up nicely, continues along the Path).


Furthermore, Fener to my knowledge only posts as his blog posts and happenstances as if he's in the middle of it. If he is player controlled, then he is fed what to post: the posts themselves seem too large and too informed to be spur of the moment things.


I can see where Korlat comes from.

[Emurlahn]

Happenstances, huh? Sometimes I amaze myself by my inability to write what I think.

[Denul]

Thank god for the quote function. Trying to weasel your way out of it by returning the "insistence" accussation. Oh, I don't have any more information, if you read back my posts, you'll see that I was acting solely on what you revealed on thread.

Korlat, on 12 November 2015 - 09:31 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on 12 November 2015 - 09:04 AM, said:

Very interesting.

Spit it out already, what did PS tell you?

So, here's you assuming PS does more than just make connections, he should actually tell Emurlahn something.

Korlat, on 12 November 2015 - 10:21 AM, said:

Liosan, on 12 November 2015 - 10:20 AM, said:

There has been some controversy over speed lynches, so Korlat, you got anything to say?

Yeah, wait for PA to get back to Emurlahn. Shenanigans are afoot.

Korlat, on 12 November 2015 - 10:21 AM, said:

PS, rather.

Here you're waiting for PS to get back to Emurlahn.

Korlat, on 12 November 2015 - 11:41 AM, said:

Denul, on 12 November 2015 - 11:38 AM, said:

Care to explain why you seem to so insistently press that Fener is PS-controlled?

Yeah, you need to read more carefully. Bolded below in Fener's post.

Fener, on 12 November 2015 - 08:12 AM, said:

A cell number is written below. You think that the is Shaping up nicely and thank goodness you didn't deviate from your usual Path to work.

Here I ask why you think Fener is PS controlled, you answer by providing that Fener quote and that I should read more carefully.

So, why am I asking about you making that connection? Because you have been making it, multiple times, on thread. You certainly were giving PS a role as provider of information and you claimed the Fener post should tell me that Fener is PS controlled.

Well, I don't think that the Fener quote proves anything, nor do I think PS has any more information to give Emurlahn. At most, PS is probably the messenger for information passing from a source, Emurlahn, to the destination, Fener. Fener has been hinting on getting information calls almost the entire game.

[Denul]

Emurlahn, on 12 November 2015 - 12:06 PM, said:

Furthermore, Fener to my knowledge only posts as his blog posts and happenstances as if he's in the middle of it. If he is player controlled, then he is fed what to post: the posts themselves seem too large and too informed to be spur of the moment things.

I think that Fener is a sock-puppet controlled by a player who is hungry for information from people who receive information off-thread due to their role in this game. To establish that connection, PS must mediate, as we cannot just PM another player/alt. Someone is making a great show of it, they must enjoy writing, but hey, that could be a player or a mod who enjoys writing.

So why does Fener have information? Because they're receiving it, off-thread from people with abilities. I can see no other reason for Fener requesting a connection to someone who just announced they're a finder.

[Korlat]

I still don't get what point you're trying to make.

Yes, I think Fener is controlled by PS. So do most on thread, according to what they've said previously.

If PS, Fener, or Santa Claus don't get back to Emur with anything more over the next few hours that changes things once again, then I'll say a bit more, and then y'all can make your decision.

[Emurlahn]

Denul, on 12 November 2015 - 12:19 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 12 November 2015 - 12:06 PM, said:

Furthermore, Fener to my knowledge only posts as his blog posts and happenstances as if he's in the middle of it. If he is player controlled, then he is fed what to post: the posts themselves seem too large and too informed to be spur of the moment things.

I think that Fener is a sock-puppet controlled by a player who is hungry for information from people who receive information off-thread due to their role in this game. To establish that connection, PS must mediate, as we cannot just PM another player/alt. Someone is making a great show of it, they must enjoy writing, but hey, that could be a player or a mod who enjoys writing.

So why does Fener have information? Because they're receiving it, off-thread from people with abilities. I can see no other reason for Fener requesting a connection to someone who just announced they're a finder.

How do you explain a vote on him showing up as "The Internet"?

[Grasp]

Hmm, I am really not liking where all this is going...

So far, we know that the FBI can arrest people and that some people have "proven" (emphasis on quotes) finder abilities (the find on Omtose turning out correct). Lover pairs seem also to be having convo's off thread.

Emur is claiming to be a cop, talking about his Buddy (emphasis on the capital , and using both his own and his Buddy's finds to direct the thread. So far, it has been good for town to listen to Emur. We have knocked out a Mafia goon.

I do have a few questions though: What if one of the cops is bought up? What if Emur's Buddy (or Emur himself) has been converted? Or, what if the information they have been fed is spotty? As was said, there has to be some mechanic to account for all the superpowered finders (2 finds per night with a lover convo). Can the SK really be found if all this is true? Seems like the game would be too easy then...

For now, I will go with Emur, given the fact we have hit one bad dude under his direction and would like to knock out the mafia's boss man. I will think on this some more.

Need to vote now, headed for work...

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[Korlat]

Grasp, on 12 November 2015 - 12:24 PM, said:

I do have a few questions though: What if one of the cops is bought up? What if Emur's Buddy (or Emur himself) has been converted? Or, what if the information they have been fed is spotty? As was said, there has to be some mechanic to account for all the superpowered finders (2 finds per night with a lover convo).

Indeed.

[Denul]

Okay, I disagree. I think Fener is player-controlled, not mod-controlled. That's why trying very hard to make it look like Fener is PS controlled is suspicious in my opinion, as it tries to deny the possibility of player control and, thereby, is a perfect distancing tool.

So, you see the point I'm making? Maybe we don't agree on the premises (mod or player control), though.

[Denul]

Emurlahn, on 12 November 2015 - 12:24 PM, said:

How do you explain a vote on him showing up as "The Internet"?

Because it's the blog of a player, not an actual player. You cannot vote for a blog, only the player behind it. We don't know the player behind it, nor the intentions of the player behind it.

[Emurlahn]

Korlat, on 12 November 2015 - 12:27 PM, said:

Grasp, on 12 November 2015 - 12:24 PM, said:

I do have a few questions though: What if one of the cops is bought up? What if Emur's Buddy (or Emur himself) has been converted? Or, what if the information they have been fed is spotty? As was said, there has to be some mechanic to account for all the superpowered finders (2 finds per night with a lover convo).

Indeed.

One cop is bought up (that cop is not my partner). Gnaw implemented some sort of a morality/causality scheme in the game: the scope of which I can only guess at, but the moment I found a bad cop, my VC became different from what was (I now have bonus objectives).

I got a very clear result that this player is a cop and is corrupt and who bought him up (mafia) - which is why I give priority to Korlat over that player: since my VCs changed, I hope the player can revert to being a regular cop once the mafia is eliminated, but we'll see.


As for powerful: yes, paired finders with seperate finds are REALLY strong. But, so far, this served everyone who needs scum dead, and now that I outed myself, it does paint a target on my back.
The fact that the first find result was not my result speaks imho for the trustworthiness of my partner, as does Korlat currently not fighting the result of the second find.

[Korlat]

Emurlahn, on 12 November 2015 - 01:15 PM, said:

Korlat, on 12 November 2015 - 12:27 PM, said:

Grasp, on 12 November 2015 - 12:24 PM, said:

I do have a few questions though: What if one of the cops is bought up? What if Emur's Buddy (or Emur himself) has been converted? Or, what if the information they have been fed is spotty? As was said, there has to be some mechanic to account for all the superpowered finders (2 finds per night with a lover convo).

Indeed.

One cop is bought up (that cop is not my partner). Gnaw implemented some sort of a morality/causality scheme in the game: the scope of which I can only guess at, but the moment I found a bad cop, my VC became different from what was (I now have bonus objectives).

I got a very clear result that this player is a cop and is corrupt and who bought him up (mafia) - which is why I give priority to Korlat over that player: since my VCs changed, I hope the player can revert to being a regular cop once the mafia is eliminated, but we'll see.


As for powerful: yes, paired finders with seperate finds are REALLY strong. But, so far, this served everyone who needs scum dead, and now that I outed myself, it does paint a target on my back.
The fact that the first find result was not my result speaks imho for the trustworthiness of my partner, as does Korlat currently not fighting the result of the second find.

You outed yourself like two days ago, and yet you're still alive. I'm not insinuating anything about your towniness, but just wanted to point that out, as it might be relevant to what I have to say later.

[Emurlahn]

Korlat, on 12 November 2015 - 01:24 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 12 November 2015 - 01:15 PM, said:

Korlat, on 12 November 2015 - 12:27 PM, said:

Grasp, on 12 November 2015 - 12:24 PM, said:

I do have a few questions though: What if one of the cops is bought up? What if Emur's Buddy (or Emur himself) has been converted? Or, what if the information they have been fed is spotty? As was said, there has to be some mechanic to account for all the superpowered finders (2 finds per night with a lover convo).

Indeed.

One cop is bought up (that cop is not my partner). Gnaw implemented some sort of a morality/causality scheme in the game: the scope of which I can only guess at, but the moment I found a bad cop, my VC became different from what was (I now have bonus objectives).

I got a very clear result that this player is a cop and is corrupt and who bought him up (mafia) - which is why I give priority to Korlat over that player: since my VCs changed, I hope the player can revert to being a regular cop once the mafia is eliminated, but we'll see.

As for powerful: yes, paired finders with seperate finds are REALLY strong. But, so far, this served everyone who needs scum dead, and now that I outed myself, it does paint a target on my back.
The fact that the first find result was not my result speaks imho for the trustworthiness of my partner, as does Korlat currently not fighting the result of the second find.

You outed yourself like two days ago, and yet you're still alive. I'm not insinuating anything about your towniness, but just wanted to point that out, as it might be relevant to what I have to say later.

One game cycle ago, to be exact. And I've felt like a magnet salesman in a knife shop since.