[Gorefest]

iso9001, on 09 October 2015 - 06:45 AM, said:

O.K., a new question as I am continuing to read:

How did Kulp's gang end up in the Warren? They were on Ripath and saw another ship because Ripath was going to sink. They swam to the other ship and found themselves in a Warren? Is the other ship some kind of portal? Is it accessible to anyone? Are all these RAFO, too

Regards

You got the timing slightly wrong. Remember that insane mage that attacked them? After they picked up Heboric and co, they got attacked again and during that attack their whole ship (the Ripath) gets sucked into a warren through a portal that must have been ripped open by the mage. This attack is also the cause of the leak that makes the Ripath sink. They then spot the other ship (the Silanda) and swim over to it.

This post has been edited by Gorefest: 09 October 2015 - 04:10 PM

[iso9001]

Gorefest, on 09 October 2015 - 04:08 PM, said:

iso9001, on 09 October 2015 - 06:45 AM, said:

O.K., a new question as I am continuing to read:

How did Kulp's gang end up in the Warren? They were on Ripath and saw another ship because Ripath was going to sink. They swam to the other ship and found themselves in a Warren? Is the other ship some kind of portal? Is it accessible to anyone? Are all these RAFO, too

Regards

You got the timing slightly wrong. Remember that insane mage that attacked them? After they picked up Heboric and co, they got attacked again and during that attack their whole ship (the Ripath) gets sucked into a warren through a portal that must have been ripped open by the mage. This attack is also the cause of the leak that makes the Ripath sink. They then spot the other ship (the Silanda) and swim over to it.

Now, that makes sense Otherwise, I was going to doubt myself Thank you.

[iso9001]

Charlie Nom, on 06 October 2015 - 02:05 PM, said:

I think 1,2,4 and 5 are RAFO

Maybe 3 is too, but its not really spoiler
quote from Malazan wiki:
'The Red Blades (or Red Swords) were a company of Seven Cities natives who vowed absolute loyalty to the Malazan Empire.'

wiki is full of handy informations, but I wouldnt suggest visiting it until youre finished because there is also a lot of spoliers. Except free readers zone where you can find maps and chapter summaries that might help you recalling or realizing some of the stuff. Then theres also Tor Reread with more detailed summaries for single chapters too.

I have been following the free readers zone along with DG but it seems that chapters bigger then 12 are unavailable. Is there any particular reason?

This one is the last in DG: http://malazan.wikia...ates/Chapter_12

[Itwæs Nom]

iso9001, on 18 October 2015 - 07:30 PM, said:

I have been following the free readers zone along with DG but it seems that chapters bigger then 12 are unavailable. Is there any particular reason?

This one is the last in DG: http://malazan.wikia...ates/Chapter_12

I guess theyre still WIP. The zone is a recent thing, I remember Egwene posting it here not so long ago. She will have more info.

Now you just have to pray lot and maybe shee will turn her vision your way.
Or you can make some bloody ritual (but you must stay positive during that, shes always so positive).
Or simply send her pm.

This post has been edited by Charlie Nom: 18 October 2015 - 07:37 PM

[iso9001]

Charlie Nom, on 18 October 2015 - 07:37 PM, said:

iso9001, on 18 October 2015 - 07:30 PM, said:

I have been following the free readers zone along with DG but it seems that chapters bigger then 12 are unavailable. Is there any particular reason?

This one is the last in DG: http://malazan.wikia...ates/Chapter_12

I guess theyre still WIP. The zone is a recent thing, I remember Egwene posting it here not so long ago. She will have more info.

Now you just have to pray lot and maybe shee will turn her vision your way.
Or you can make some bloody ritual (but you must stay positive during that, shes always so positive).
Or simply send her pm.

Thank you for the information. The thing is, later books and chapters are present in the wiki, that's why I was surprised

[Egwene]

Hi Iso, sorry for not coming back to you earlier - no internet access today, unfortunately.

In answer to the mystery of the missing chapters...

Everything you see on the Wiki has been added by volunteers and it is up to the individual contributor how much and where they edit the Wiki. So for example the next book, Memories of Ice has all summaries completed because Johntocaelpiano kindly did these as he was reading the book. After that, it is still very much work in progress until you get to the last two books in the series.

Getting all the info from the books is an absolutely huge undertaking and we are chipping away as fast as we can but sometimes it seems we are hardly making a dent.

I am currently working on compiling the extended DP for Deadhouse Gates but again, it's taking quite a bit of time as I am working on several other projects at the same time.

Any chance you might fancy writing a summary or two???? *sends some chocolate in case Iso is open to bribes*

[iso9001]

Egwene, on 19 October 2015 - 09:47 PM, said:

Hi Iso, sorry for not coming back to you earlier - no internet access today, unfortunately.

In answer to the mystery of the missing chapters...

Everything you see on the Wiki has been added by volunteers and it is up to the individual contributor how much and where they edit the Wiki. So for example the next book, Memories of Ice has all summaries completed because Johntocaelpiano kindly did these as he was reading the book. After that, it is still very much work in progress until you get to the last two books in the series.

Getting all the info from the books is an absolutely huge undertaking and we are chipping away as fast as we can but sometimes it seems we are hardly making a dent.

I am currently working on compiling the extended DP for Deadhouse Gates but again, it's taking quite a bit of time as I am working on several other projects at the same time.

Any chance you might fancy writing a summary or two???? *sends some chocolate in case Iso is open to bribes*

Hi Egwene, thank you very much for your detailed reply.

The thing is, I thought chapters were summarized in order, that was why I was surprised. I never thought that different people would summarize different / various chapters. Yet, a tremendous effort and we all appreciate your work

I already did make a change on wiki, well it was a typo correction but better than doing nothing I guess I would love to help you out but as you can understand from my questions here, I am not a native English speaker and I am having troubles understanding some points in the book. That was the point for me using the wiki. I wish there was a Turkish translation that I could use for chapter summaries

I am always open to bribes but it must be for something that I can return the favor

Regards

[Egwene]

Check out this poll, Iso...

http://forum.malazan...nglish-speaker/

...and you'll see that you have a lot of 'non-English native speaker' company here (including mine).

Thanks for having a go at editing the Wiki. I really appreciate it when people make the effort to correct mistakes they see. It all contributes to improving the Wiki. You could always set up the Turkish version of the Malazan Wiki. We already have people working on a Polish and a German Wiki. Just create the Wiki using the Turkish title of the series, then copy and paste the formatting across and start editing. Well, I suppose, it's not quite that straight forward but almost

[iso9001]

Egwene, on 20 October 2015 - 02:36 PM, said:

Check out this poll, Iso...

http://forum.malazan...nglish-speaker/

...and you'll see that you have a lot of 'non-English native speaker' company here (including mine).

Thanks for having a go at editing the Wiki. I really appreciate it when people make the effort to correct mistakes they see. It all contributes to improving the Wiki. You could always set up the Turkish version of the Malazan Wiki. We already have people working on a Polish and a German Wiki. Just create the Wiki using the Turkish title of the series, then copy and paste the formatting across and start editing. Well, I suppose, it's not quite that straight forward but almost

Let me finish the series first and then why not? I have done that before for One Piece (not the Turkish wiki but for a forum of my friend), so I am a little bit experienced in that. Maybe I can find other Turkish readers to help me out

PS: I have already voted for the polll

[Egwene]

That would be amazing, Iso. Sounds like you know a lot more about it than I did when I started.

Well, enjoy reading the series. I simply love the complexity of the world and the characters in it and envy that you for still having that road of discovery ahead. If you do have any questions... just post here on the forum and you'll find there is always someone who knows the answer

[iso9001]

I have just finished DG and it certainly arose other questions

• Why Pearl didn't finish Kalam thoroughly? What was the point?
• Why did Pearl wait until they reach to the lands? He could have done it on the ship.
• They mention of some sorcery on the Ragstopper? What was that? Has it been ever revealed?
• Kalam is trying to assasinate Laseen. This has to be a top-secret mission but lots of people are aware of this. However, Kalam is still continuing his mission. This doesn't make sense.
• Why does Laseen want him not-dead? Is it revealed later?
• Do we ever get to know what happened to Heboric with his hands?
• Kalam and Fiddler are trying to assasinate Laseen because they feel the Empire deserves better. However, in order to do so Kalam delivers the Book of Drhyjna and lets the riot begins. Am I wrong to think that he is the core reason of the riot and thus countless deads including Coltaine (I know somebody might have delivered the book but he had a choice. He could have gone with Fiddler. Besides, his plan of diversion did little good on his cause.)
• Can't really understand what happened in Tremerlor? How and why did Pust and Mappo&Icarium cast out?
• What happened to Gryllen? Is he dead or taken by Azath?
• Icarium was taken out by Mappo in Tremerlor and AFAIK he never experienced his rage again. So there was no reason for him to forget what Mappo told him about his rage. But if I am not mistaken, at the end of the book, Icarium was not aware of what happened? Does that make sense?
• What does "shaved knuckle in the hole" means?
• Kulp was using Meanas warren. Was a priest of shadow? If not, what was he and what is the difference between that and a priest of shadow?
• What happens when some "portion" of the D'ivers is killed. For example if somebody kills half the count of the rats, what happens to Gryllen? What happens when he transforms back into his human form?
• Fiddler kept his meeting with Kimloc fearing that Kalam would kill him and his family if he knew. Why would Kalam kill Kimloc and his entire family?

Well lots of questions I have I wish I could read this in my native language but I am still glad I am able to read it at all.

Regards.

This post has been edited by iso9001: 25 October 2015 - 08:53 PM

[Abyss]

Replies by the numbers....
1 because Topper wanted the Claw thinned out and Laseen always wanted Kalam to live. Either way his job was to wound and weaken Kalam, not kill him.
2 same reason.
3 the former Fist of Aren had a Mage fucking with the Ragstopper to ensure his henchbuddies' ship could ambush it.
4 he's Kalam. The element of surprise is for lesser assassins.
5 yes, but they said it right there in DG that Kalam needed to work some things out for himself.
6 RAFO. Worth the wait.
7 the whirlwind rebellion was always going to happen, Kalam just happened upon the book so they used him to deliver it. At worse he nudged the timeline up. At best he didn't really make a difference.
8 the Azath has away out, like a teleport to anywhere. Pust used it, so did Mappo with Iccy. Then Fid and co used it to go to Malaz and help Kalam.
9 The Tanno song wiped him out.
10 Iccy's memory loss can be random or triggered by trauma.
11 throwing knuckles is like throwing dice. A shaved knuckle is like a dice filed to always role high. In the hole means hidden til you need it.
12 Kulp was a Mage whose warren was Shadow. He didn't need a god to give him access. Most but not all shadow priests are also mages of meanas or a related warren, but some get their power from a god whose aspect is shadow, ie Shadowthrone. So you can be a Mage and not a priest, and vice versa.
13 RAFO.
14 Fid notes that Kimloc was massively powerful, and Kalam may have felt obliged to take him out to keep him out of the rebellion. And yes, that does contradict Kalam kick starting the rebellion, but keep in mind that at root Fid and Kalam are loyal to the empire, it's Laseen they have a problem with.

[iso9001]

Abyss, on 26 October 2015 - 03:44 AM, said:

Replies by the numbers....
1 because Topper wanted the Claw thinned out and Laseen always wanted Kalam to live. Either way his job was to wound and weaken Kalam, not kill him.
2 same reason.
3 the former Fist of Aren had a Mage fucking with the Ragstopper to ensure his henchbuddies' ship could ambush it.
4 he's Kalam. The element of surprise is for lesser assassins.
5 yes, but they said it right there in DG that Kalam needed to work some things out for himself.
6 RAFO. Worth the wait.
7 the whirlwind rebellion was always going to happen, Kalam just happened upon the book so they used him to deliver it. At worse he nudged the timeline up. At best he didn't really make a difference.
8 the Azath has away out, like a teleport to anywhere. Pust used it, so did Mappo with Iccy. Then Fid and co used it to go to Malaz and help Kalam.
9 The Tanno song wiped him out.
10 Iccy's memory loss can be random or triggered by trauma.
11 throwing knuckles is like throwing dice. A shaved knuckle is like a dice filed to always role high. In the hole means hidden til you need it.
12 Kulp was a Mage whose warren was Shadow. He didn't need a god to give him access. Most but not all shadow priests are also mages of meanas or a related warren, but some get their power from a god whose aspect is shadow, ie Shadowthrone. So you can be a Mage and not a priest, and vice versa.
13 RAFO.
14 Fid notes that Kimloc was massively powerful, and Kalam may have felt obliged to take him out to keep him out of the rebellion. And yes, that does contradict Kalam kick starting the rebellion, but keep in mind that at root Fid and Kalam are loyal to the empire, it's Laseen they have a problem with.

Thank you Abyss,

1) If Pearl only wants Kalam to be weaken, stabbing and throwing him to sharks looks like a bit of out of measure don't you think?
4) He is Kalam but target is not a fist or a mage but Laseen the Empress. Everybody was waiting for him, even Mebra figured his hidden motives out. If Laseen wanted him dead he would have been dead countless times before he can even try.
5) Can't get this. Topper wants the lesser members of the Claw to be cleansed by Kalam, I get that, but what are the motives of Laseen?

Regards

[Andorion]

iso9001, on 26 October 2015 - 08:56 AM, said:

Abyss, on 26 October 2015 - 03:44 AM, said:

Replies by the numbers....
1 because Topper wanted the Claw thinned out and Laseen always wanted Kalam to live. Either way his job was to wound and weaken Kalam, not kill him.
2 same reason.
3 the former Fist of Aren had a Mage fucking with the Ragstopper to ensure his henchbuddies' ship could ambush it.
4 he's Kalam. The element of surprise is for lesser assassins.
5 yes, but they said it right there in DG that Kalam needed to work some things out for himself.
6 RAFO. Worth the wait.
7 the whirlwind rebellion was always going to happen, Kalam just happened upon the book so they used him to deliver it. At worse he nudged the timeline up. At best he didn't really make a difference.
8 the Azath has away out, like a teleport to anywhere. Pust used it, so did Mappo with Iccy. Then Fid and co used it to go to Malaz and help Kalam.
9 The Tanno song wiped him out.
10 Iccy's memory loss can be random or triggered by trauma.
11 throwing knuckles is like throwing dice. A shaved knuckle is like a dice filed to always role high. In the hole means hidden til you need it.
12 Kulp was a Mage whose warren was Shadow. He didn't need a god to give him access. Most but not all shadow priests are also mages of meanas or a related warren, but some get their power from a god whose aspect is shadow, ie Shadowthrone. So you can be a Mage and not a priest, and vice versa.
13 RAFO.
14 Fid notes that Kimloc was massively powerful, and Kalam may have felt obliged to take him out to keep him out of the rebellion. And yes, that does contradict Kalam kick starting the rebellion, but keep in mind that at root Fid and Kalam are loyal to the empire, it's Laseen they have a problem with.

Thank you Abyss,

1) If Pearl only wants Kalam to be weaken, stabbing and throwing him to sharks looks like a bit of out of measure don't you think?
4) He is Kalam but target is not a fist or a mage but Laseen the Empress. Everybody was waiting for him, even Mebra figured his hidden motives out. If Laseen wanted him dead he would have been dead countless times before he can even try.
5) Can't get this. Topper wants the lesser members of the Claw to be cleansed by Kalam, I get that, but what are the motives of Laseen?

Regards

1. He is Kalam.
2. & 3. So if Laseen didn't want him dead, what could be her motives? Read Laseen and Kalam 's conversation again. What did it achieve for Laseen?

[Abyss]

Andorion, on 26 October 2015 - 09:35 AM, said:

iso9001, on 26 October 2015 - 08:56 AM, said:

Thank you Abyss,

1) If Pearl only wants Kalam to be weaken, stabbing and throwing him to sharks looks like a bit of out of measure don't you think?
4) He is Kalam but target is not a fist or a mage but Laseen the Empress. Everybody was waiting for him, even Mebra figured his hidden motives out. If Laseen wanted him dead he would have been dead countless times before he can even try.
5) Can't get this. Topper wants the lesser members of the Claw to be cleansed by Kalam, I get that, but what are the motives of Laseen?

Regards

1. He is Kalam.
2. & 3. So if Laseen didn't want him dead, what could be her motives? Read Laseen and Kalam 's conversation again. What did it achieve for Laseen?

1. exactly.
2/3. - point being that the bestest assassin in the world stays on the side of the Empire.
4/5. assuming it's true that Laseen could have taken him out, that supports the point that he was never supposed to die.

[iso9001]

Thank you all for your time and detailed answers.

Now I am reading Tor re-reads and something came up in my mind. If Gesler, Stormy, and Truth had almost ascended, did the same thing happen to Heboric, Baudin, and Felisin? Baudin says "he’s heavier and that something has changed" (chapter 11 - scene 2) after getting out of the warren to the real world.

[Abyss]

iso9001, on 26 October 2015 - 01:50 PM, said:

Thank you all for your time and detailed answers.

Now I am reading Tor re-reads and something came up in my mind. If Gesler, Stormy, and Truth had almost ascended, did the same thing happen to Heboric, Baudin, and Felisin? Baudin says "he's heavier and that something has changed" (chapter 11 - scene 2) after getting out of the warren to the real world.

Recall that the three marines were nailed by the dragon's breath, while the other three bailed out ahead of it.
Kulp at the very least didn't seem any tougher when Grellen was chowing down.
And Heboric had things going on that no one else did.

[iso9001]

Thank you Abyss.

In chapter 12 or 13, just after Heboric discovers his new hands, they (Kulp, Felisin, and Heboric) come accross a fountain and Heboric tells them drinking water will benefit them due to the alchemies in the water. Is this benefit revelaed in DG or will be revelaed later?

Regards.

[Abyss]

iso9001, on 28 October 2015 - 08:00 AM, said:

Thank you Abyss.

In chapter 12 or 13, just after Heboric discovers his new hands, they (Kulp, Felisin, and Heboric) come accross a fountain and Heboric tells them drinking water will benefit them due to the alchemies in the water. Is this benefit revelaed in DG or will be revelaed later?

Regards.

I have this vague recall that it healed them from the botfly bites, tho not completely. Never came up again in DG that I can think of.

[Itwæs Nom]

Abyss, on 28 October 2015 - 03:03 PM, said:

iso9001, on 28 October 2015 - 08:00 AM, said:

Thank you Abyss.

In chapter 12 or 13, just after Heboric discovers his new hands, they (Kulp, Felisin, and Heboric) come accross a fountain and Heboric tells them drinking water will benefit them due to the alchemies in the water. Is this benefit revelaed in DG or will be revelaed later?

Regards.

I have this vague recall that it healed them from the botfly bites, tho not completely. Never came up again in DG that I can think of.

I dont think it would give them some kind of long-lasting buff, its just a very healthy water I'd say. It might give them increased regenaration, healthier feel and some other stuff temporary but its not like they would become soletaken eleints.