[Monok Ochem]

So Dem seems firmly to be in the lynch Aparal camp. Karosis too. Ryll is circling all around but not landing on anyone. Aparal is mostly AWOL. And I'm probably feeling Aparal more than anything else, but wavering slightly.

[Monok Ochem]

I would like to hear more from Aparal. What are their thoughts as of right now on suspects?

[Aparal Forge]

I realize that with my gameplay so far I look like the obvious scum.

But I give fair warning, this is an official reveal: I am an RI. If you lynch me Town will probably lose the game.

This was not how I wanted to play but due to some truly weird circumstances it came to this.

As for ideas, I will be frank. My first suspect was Liosan and I thonought Omtose might be scum 2

Since then I have been extremely unsure. To be honest, the constant focus on KF baffled me and Monok's single-minded focus on him makes him the most likely candidate to me.

[Monok Ochem]

If I were to believe you, the only partnerships I can see are either Ryll and Demelain; or Demelain and Karosis.


Either way, Dem would be the next most considered lynch after you.

[Ryllandaras]

I can see
Monok and Karosis
Karosis and Demelain
At a push Monok and Demelain but now Monok says he's the next target on his list.

I hate the fact that Karosis didn't want me analysing the thread any further. He didn't mind Monok doing it but didn't want me to. He called into question my reasoning for wanting Liosan gone but had the same reasoning himself. Although he says his gut told him otherwise.
Interesting that Aparal thinks your scummy Monok, for a similar reason to me, your focus on Kadagar.

He (kadagar) fingered you first. Since then you were a dog with his bone each day.

Admittedly, I was similar with Liosan and Omtose but that could have been cleared up early on.

Karosis and Demelain could be a partnership. Dem looks the cleaner out of the two because he hasn't stood out as much as Karosis to me.

Maybe early doors Karosis was the quiet scum who missed most of day 1, put down a couple of thoughts, had a quiet day 2 and then vamped up on day 3 and 4. Whereas Demelain was more vocal early on and pops up every now and then with these clever paragraphs.

I'm leaning towards Karosis myself. What do you think Monok/Aparal?

Edit put in Kadagar next to he in brackets

This post has been edited by Ryllandaras: 16 October 2015 - 08:41 AM

[Monok Ochem]

I'm leaning toward you being town, Ryll. I see Karosis as less possibly scummy than Dem, I think he's just got your goat because he got pissed off at you and you tend to think anyone who looks at you funny is suspicious But having said that, if two scum left then that's the obvious partnership for me.

[Ryllandaras]

Monok Ochem, on 16 October 2015 - 08:47 AM, said:

I'm leaning toward you being town, Ryll. I see Karosis as less possibly scummy than Dem, I think he's just got your goat because he got pissed off at you and you tend to think anyone who looks at you funny is suspicious But having said that, if two scum left then that's the obvious partnership for me.

You just said otherwise. You're flirting to get on my good side ha!

I'm driving for the next couple of hours.

[Monok Ochem]

We've got about 6 hours or less to decide I think.

Edit: 'hourse or left' changed to the more comprehensible 'hours or less'.

This post has been edited by Monok Ochem: 16 October 2015 - 09:51 AM

[Monok Ochem]

I'm going to do a final reread and then decide.

[Aparal Forge]

I don't see anything specifically scummy about Dem.

Karosis is odd because he seems to be extremely hostile to a survey of proceedings. Yet his stated reason for voting Omtose comes close to my later reasons which were that I wanted him to respond.

Regarding Ryll, he has been my prime defender on the thread which in itself is a bit odd as my play has not been the best by a long shot.

I have a theory about Ryll. What if we were wrong about the WCS. What if only one scum survived. To him, I would be the weak player worth keeping around, he would try to direct a Lynch on one, NK another.

Then on the final day he could probably try to get my vote to Lynch the last player.

This is probably utter BS, but I have been wondering about Ryll and that's what I came up with.

I maybe able to be back in 3 hours or so

[Monok Ochem]

My, you really like to jump around don't you?


That actually might work in your favour, unbelievably. Because, IF you are scum, I just don't see any way you're partnered with anyone still alive. So even if we lynch elsewhere, and get it wrong (with you being the scum) we'd still have another day to set it right.


In addition, the killing of Liosan makes little sense if you are scum. Killing the one guy who seemed closest to attracting suspicion other than you?

[Demelain]

Okay, I don't like the back-and-forth between AF and Monok here.

First, AF gets attacked, quite severly and basically replies "Hey, you all don't trust me, but trust me, I'm town, so don't vote, because we would lose". That's not really a counter-argument against anything and usually some last resort measure for scum. At this moment, giving such a last resort the benifit of the doubt might be deadly for town, as lynching wrong today is mostly probably going to seal our fate.

So, while Monok isn't exactly accepting it by saying, very carefully, "If I were to believe you", but then tries to direct to thread in the direction of every other player in the game, with me as a common denominator in partnerships (why exactly?). So far, Monok has been showing reluctance in lynching AF for he couldn't think of a partner, now he's throwing me in as everyone's partner without much hesistance.

In fact, he has showed this "apparant suspicion" of AF before, when he was also redirecting the thread from AF to KF. First, Anomandaris says he thinks AF is suspicious and follows up by explaning how AF seems to be participating but actually isn't for not saying anything original (hey, that seems to be a theme):

Monok Ochem, on 06 October 2015 - 09:26 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 06 October 2015 - 07:48 PM, said:

I always look for the useless, "helpful" posters. As of now that's Aparal Forge who has 4 or 5 posts which say absolutely nothing original.

I agree. Aparal struck me similarly, though I have even stronger feelings about Kadagar (who has, yep, now jumped on Emur to try and give that lynch some steam).

See, Monok says he thinks Aparal is suspicious, but then actually changes the direction to Kadagar. If I look to today, the same thing has been going on. First, he says that AF is indeed scummy, but that he's reluctant, because he can't think of a partner. When absolutely no real counter argument from AF follows, he just redirects the thread, hoping things will blow over.

Moreover, he tries to take the perfect middle ground. He says he's suspicious about AF over and over again, but he knows that both Karosis and me are putting more weight behind it, so are more easily accused of offering up AF to gain trust. If we look at defenders, he knows there's Ryll, vocally defending AF in the thread. In fact, AF seems to help him with this as AF states:

Aparal Forge, on 16 October 2015 - 10:34 AM, said:

Regarding Ryll, he has been my prime defender on the thread which in itself is a bit odd as my play has not been the best by a long shot.

I have a theory about Ryll. What if we were wrong about the WCS. What if only one scum survived. To him, I would be the weak player worth keeping around, he would try to direct a Lynch on one, NK another.

Then on the final day he could probably try to get my vote to Lynch the last player.

This is probably utter BS, but I have been wondering about Ryll and that's what I came up with.

So, he's at the same time saying Ryll is his main defender than immediatly does something that could easily been seen as distancing. And maybe that's exactly the point. They worry that AF gets lynched and now Monok can use this post tomorrow to show that AF was desperately trying to distance himself from Ryll at the last moment.

So, Monok, if you wonder why you haven't found a partner for AF, maybe that was because you weren't looking at yourself. You've carefully avoided intracting much with AF, only saying you find he's suspicious, but "Hey, wait here's a better target".

[Demelain]

Monok Ochem, on 16 October 2015 - 11:03 AM, said:

My, you really like to jump around don't you?


That actually might work in your favour, unbelievably. Because, IF you are scum, I just don't see any way you're partnered with anyone still alive. So even if we lynch elsewhere, and get it wrong (with you being the scum) we'd still have another day to set it right.


In addition, the killing of Liosan makes little sense if you are scum. Killing the one guy who seemed closest to attracting suspicion other than you?

My, my, so you're actually saying we should just assume BCS and try to lynch elsewhere? I don't like that, as assuming that, lynching elsewhere and hitting town would just mean that we lose. Trying to force the win here, while at the same time distancing yourself once again from AF?

[Demelain]

Correction: I don't like that, as assuming that, lynching elsewhere and hitting town would just mean that we lose if we're wrong in that assumption of BCS.

[Monok Ochem]

I was hoping for something like that from someone, Dem. See, there's a great reason why I'm not Aparal's partner. I'm the healer.

[Monok Ochem]

Hold up, something RL came up. Back in a tickety boo.

[Demelain]

Monok Ochem, on 16 October 2015 - 11:31 AM, said:

I was hoping for something like that from someone, Dem. See, there's a great reason why I'm not Aparal's partner. I'm the healer.

Let me see, you're the healer.

So, when someone accuses you of being someone's partner, they are immediately scum.

Pray, tell me how that works?

[Monok Ochem]

Haha, when exactly in my previous post did I accuse you of being scum? I only said that I'm not Aparal's mythical partner. You're the one who's immediately jumped to that.

[Demelain]

Monok Ochem, on 16 October 2015 - 11:37 AM, said:

Haha, when exactly in my previous post did I accuse you of being scum? I only said that I'm not Aparal's mythical partner. You're the one who's immediately jumped to that.

Pff, you're tiresome.

"I've been waiting for something like that from someone, Dem" So, apparently you think me doing that is significant and significant enough to reveal healer, because this is the moment you've been waiting for and it's strange I think something of it?

Now, you may really be the healer, I don't know, for I am not.

[Monok Ochem]

Demelain, on 16 October 2015 - 11:41 AM, said:

Monok Ochem, on 16 October 2015 - 11:37 AM, said:

Haha, when exactly in my previous post did I accuse you of being scum? I only said that I'm not Aparal's mythical partner. You're the one who's immediately jumped to that.

Pff, you're tiresome.

"I've been waiting for something like that from someone, Dem" So, apparently you think me doing that is significant and significant enough to reveal healer, because this is the moment you've been waiting for and it's strange I think something of it?

Now, you may really be the healer, I don't know, for I am not.

I was always going to reveal today as I think it's more than likely D-day. But I wanted to wait till everyone gave out their opinions. Then I wanted to see what would happen if I pushed away from an Aparal lynch, and how people would react to that.


So anyways, night 1 I healed Anomandaris (chose between Ano and Fanderay, d'oh); night 2 I healed Demelain (chose between Dem and Ano, d'oh!); night 3 I healed Mockra (hooray!). I healed Mockra because it became obvious on that day that Mockra was Tapper, and Tapper is always a scum target if he isn't scum himself (it's the pretty way in which he speaks), and if I can alt him - and I'm terrible at alting - then so could anyone else. Night 4 I healed Karosis.