[Gabriele]

Werthead, on 02 May 2016 - 01:37 PM, said:

Haha. The "old-timers" at Westeros mostly gave up on the show several seasons back, or just watch it as a TV show mostly unrelated to the books. It's a good show, intermittently, but a pale shadow of the novels and that makes it more frustrating to watch than if it was just a new TV series. Not that it's bad, but that it is falling massively far short of its potential and that can get quite frustrating.

There is the Rant and Rave thread.

[Andorion]

Gabriele, on 02 May 2016 - 06:02 PM, said:

Werthead, on 02 May 2016 - 01:37 PM, said:

Haha. The "old-timers" at Westeros mostly gave up on the show several seasons back, or just watch it as a TV show mostly unrelated to the books. It's a good show, intermittently, but a pale shadow of the novels and that makes it more frustrating to watch than if it was just a new TV series. Not that it's bad, but that it is falling massively far short of its potential and that can get quite frustrating.

There is the Rant and Rave thread.

No what I am seeing now is fairly new member judging by their post count being overwhelmingly negative.

Somebody was bitching about the NW surrendering to Wildlings as impossible. They totally ignored Thornes dubious authority, the overwheming wilding superiority and that after the events of the last two days, most NW are confused.

I had originally planned on posting there as well for this season but the tone of the threads changed my mind

[Andorion]

QuickTidal, on 02 May 2016 - 05:49 PM, said:

Andorion, on 02 May 2016 - 05:40 PM, said:

So who is the Gift? Please not Rickon....

Rickon seems too obvious and kinda silly. But then Rickon and Osha (and Shaggydog) WERE headed to the Umber's on Bran's orders last we saw. So it's not off the table. But I don't know what else it could be. From set photo's we know that it's not Theon as he makes it back the the Pyke, and Sansa is safe with Brienne and Pod...so what other gift could it be?

It could be the Umbers passing off another kid as Rickon as preparation for an eventual betrayal?

[QuickTidal]

Nevyn, on 02 May 2016 - 05:54 PM, said:

Are the set photos episode specific? Theon can make it back to Pyke later, can't he?

If Theon ended up back in Ramsey's hands, there is no way that he would ever make it back to the Pyke. For the crime of helping Sansa escape, he'd be put to death for sure. No, I don't think Theon escapes, has his revelation of all he's done, only to end up back in Ramsey's clutches. That's kind of narratively bankrupt and too circuitous. There is no reason for Ramsey to be playing torturous games with a noble-born son any longer, he's moved on to grander plans.

[Nevyn]

QuickTidal, on 02 May 2016 - 06:22 PM, said:

Nevyn, on 02 May 2016 - 05:54 PM, said:

Are the set photos episode specific? Theon can make it back to Pyke later, can't he?

If Theon ended up back in Ramsey's hands, there is no way that he would ever make it back to the Pyke. For the crime of helping Sansa escape, he'd be put to death for sure. No, I don't think Theon escapes, has his revelation of all he's done, only to end up back in Ramsey's clutches. That's kind of narratively bankrupt and too circuitous. There is no reason for Ramsey to be playing torturous games with a noble-born son any longer, he's moved on to grander plans.

So we're agreed. Its a candelabra .

But no, don't think Ramsey would kill him. He wants his Reek.

This post has been edited by Nevyn: 02 May 2016 - 06:40 PM

[QuickTidal]

Nevyn, on 02 May 2016 - 06:39 PM, said:

QuickTidal, on 02 May 2016 - 06:22 PM, said:

Nevyn, on 02 May 2016 - 05:54 PM, said:

Are the set photos episode specific? Theon can make it back to Pyke later, can't he?

If Theon ended up back in Ramsey's hands, there is no way that he would ever make it back to the Pyke. For the crime of helping Sansa escape, he'd be put to death for sure. No, I don't think Theon escapes, has his revelation of all he's done, only to end up back in Ramsey's clutches. That's kind of narratively bankrupt and too circuitous. There is no reason for Ramsey to be playing torturous games with a noble-born son any longer, he's moved on to grander plans.

So we're agreed. Its a candelabra .

Who WOULDN'T want a candelabra after all? It's a pretty sweet gift.

[Terez]

Werthead, on 02 May 2016 - 01:37 PM, said:

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It might not have been so bad if their website wasn't overloaded and laggy as fuck. But I suspect that all the old-timers at Westeros have a private forum where they discuss the show, because they're never on these threads.

Haha. The "old-timers" at Westeros mostly gave up on the show several seasons back, or just watch it as a TV show mostly unrelated to the books. It's a good show, intermittently, but a pale shadow of the novels and that makes it more frustrating to watch than if it was just a new TV series. Not that it's bad, but that it is falling massively far short of its potential and that can get quite frustrating.

I figured that was true for the most part, but there has to be a sizable contingent of people such as yourself who want to discuss the show anyway.

Andorion, on 02 May 2016 - 05:03 PM, said:

Also what is wrong with Westeros? The discussion there is so bitter and negative - its toxic. Even fairly new members seem to be like that.

Westeros has always had that kind of aggressive atmosphere, much moreso than here, for example, but it got a lot worse with the show because there were so many new people. I imagine there are a lot of people who came to Westeros because the reddit subs were so overloaded. Now they're all overloaded. I wish there were somewhere to discuss the show between here (where the discussion is relatively slow) and reddit. Westeros isn't it, and that's a shame, because it should be. Stricter conduct moderation in the GOT forums would go a long way.

[amphibian]

I am finding much more value in the Andorion style of coming to things months or years after release. More time to settle the context, reception, and less frenetic/angry discussion.

[Terez]

I think there are pros and cons to both. I used to say the same thing about Dragon Ball, for example, because I was able to watch it all at once and I didn't have to sit through those interminable filler-stuffed episodes week by week over the course of years. I'm happy enough to do it with DBS, though; I love the speculation and discussion. And r/dbz is not bad as far as reddit subs go.

In other words, if you can find quality discussion areas, like this one, the frenetic discussion can be fun. But again, Westeros ain't it.

[worry]

Westeros fits its namesake, gotta give it that.

[Andorion]

I love the atmosphere here - its so laid back - we have watched the show, and we have opinions, but even if we didn't our lives would still go on. This is in sharp contrast to other places where the hype is overwhelming.

[Andorion]

Terez, on 02 May 2016 - 10:11 PM, said:

Werthead, on 02 May 2016 - 01:37 PM, said:

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It might not have been so bad if their website wasn't overloaded and laggy as fuck. But I suspect that all the old-timers at Westeros have a private forum where they discuss the show, because they're never on these threads.

Haha. The "old-timers" at Westeros mostly gave up on the show several seasons back, or just watch it as a TV show mostly unrelated to the books. It's a good show, intermittently, but a pale shadow of the novels and that makes it more frustrating to watch than if it was just a new TV series. Not that it's bad, but that it is falling massively far short of its potential and that can get quite frustrating.

I figured that was true for the most part, but there has to be a sizable contingent of people such as yourself who want to discuss the show anyway.

Andorion, on 02 May 2016 - 05:03 PM, said:

Also what is wrong with Westeros? The discussion there is so bitter and negative - its toxic. Even fairly new members seem to be like that.

Westeros has always had that kind of aggressive atmosphere, much moreso than here, for example, but it got a lot worse with the show because there were so many new people. I imagine there are a lot of people who came to Westeros because the reddit subs were so overloaded. Now they're all overloaded. I wish there were somewhere to discuss the show between here (where the discussion is relatively slow) and reddit. Westeros isn't it, and that's a shame, because it should be. Stricter conduct moderation in the GOT forums would go a long way.

Is this true also for the non GoT subforums? I usually lurk in literature and even there people are more aggressive/judgy than what I am comfortable with.

amphibian, on 02 May 2016 - 10:20 PM, said:

I am finding much more value in the Andorion style of coming to things months or years after release. More time to settle the context, reception, and less frenetic/angry discussion.

I often ignore something when its at peak hype and only take it up years later. Often it has gratifying results.

[End of Disc One]

I never venture out of the Literature subforum on Westeros anymore. I used to hate that subforum too, but those assholes have grown on me.

[Andorion]

To get back to the episode I think two elements are in need of address

1. Robert Strong - the very casual way in which he killed that guy makes me think his strength is at Wun Wun levels. There is no way he dies in a duel or battle. Something big, like Wildfire or a dragon takes him down in the end.

But how did he know that guy was insulting Cersei? Chap was in a bar. RS should have been in the Red Keep. Does he have super hearing?


2. Davos: Lots of people have asked why Davos would do so much for Jon and why would he trust Mel. Davos spent his life following a strong and righteous leader. With Stannis dead, his life lacks direction. Plus he got a good chance to see and admire Jon. A young leader, unafraid to break tradition to do what he things is right. Jon is as adamant as Stannis, he refused Stannis thrice because of a vow, and yet he has a merciful side - he would not let Mance burn. It is inevitable that Davos admired Jon. So when he runs out to the yard to find Jon dead by treachery, his natural first reaction is to help. The rest spiralled.

As for Mel, it should be noted that Davos has seen Mel perform a lot of magic including the most explicit one - the Shadow Assassin. He has probably hear dof the resurrectionary powers of the Red Priests. He does not know Mel burnt Shireen. So why not go to her? What harm could it do?

[Terez]

Andorion, on 03 May 2016 - 01:02 AM, said:

I love the atmosphere here - its so laid back - we have watched the show, and we have opinions, but even if we didn't our lives would still go on. This is in sharp contrast to other places where the hype is overwhelming.

Wert should invite all the people from Westeros like himself to discuss the show here. We had a bunch of Malaz-born folk who left us and became Westerosi at some point, back in the day. I wonder if they're still there.

PS: That was back when the DB at Malazan was considerably less laid-back. Maybe that's why these particular people left us. Some of them, I liked. Cold Iron and....OMG I FORGET HER NAME, help me out here guys.

This post has been edited by Terez: 03 May 2016 - 05:50 AM

[Lycaenion]

Andorion, on 03 May 2016 - 02:17 AM, said:

To get back to the episode I think two elements are in need of address

1. Robert Strong - the very casual way in which he killed that guy makes me think his strength is at Wun Wun levels. There is no way he dies in a duel or battle. Something big, like Wildfire or a dragon takes him down in the end.

But how did he know that guy was insulting Cersei? Chap was in a bar. RS should have been in the Red Keep. Does he have super hearing?


2. Davos: Lots of people have asked why Davos would do so much for Jon and why would he trust Mel. Davos spent his life following a strong and righteous leader. With Stannis dead, his life lacks direction. Plus he got a good chance to see and admire Jon. A young leader, unafraid to break tradition to do what he things is right. Jon is as adamant as Stannis, he refused Stannis thrice because of a vow, and yet he has a merciful side - he would not let Mance burn. It is inevitable that Davos admired Jon. So when he runs out to the yard to find Jon dead by treachery, his natural first reaction is to help. The rest spiralled.

As for Mel, it should be noted that Davos has seen Mel perform a lot of magic including the most explicit one - the Shadow Assassin. He has probably hear dof the resurrectionary powers of the Red Priests. He does not know Mel burnt Shireen. So why not go to her? What harm could it do?

1. Perhaps he's wandering around when she's safely at the keep? Listening to people talking bad about her and randomly killing them? I dunno.

2. I absolutely love that Davos did so much for Jon. I think in a way he was desperate enough to go to Mel and ask for her help, because he'd seen her do amazing things, and because he knows that what happened to Jon was wrong and he wants to fix it. I also don't think he knows about what happened to Shirreen...but then, who's going to tell him? Everyone from Stannis' army is dead, right?

This post has been edited by Lycaenion: 03 May 2016 - 06:14 AM

[Terez]

I meant to comment on Davos; got distracted by the OT discussion. IMO it's not a stretch to portray Davos as Jon's champion here. Davos has always been attracted to integrity, and I think he made it clear that he saw that integrity in Jon. Stannis saw it too, and Davos respected that.

[worry]

Pretty sure BK got it, re: #1.

[champ]

Much better ep than the opening.

Glad that they did'nt drag out the JS resurrection. Looking forward to them hopefully showing his parents with the Bran flash backs.

Terez, on 03 May 2016 - 05:49 AM, said:

PS: That was back when the DB at Malazan was considerably less laid-back. Maybe that's why these particular people left us. Some of them, I liked. Cold Iron and....OMG I FORGET HER NAME, help me out here guys.

Was it that Gem W or whatever the last name was?

edit:

Taken from: http://uk.ign.com/ar...game-of-thrones

Mels spell:

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Zyhys oñoso jehikagon Aeksiot epi, se gis hen syndrorro jemagon. "We ask the Lord to shine his light, and lead a soul out of darkness."

Zyhys perzys stepagon Aeksio Oño jorepi, se morghultas lys qelitsos sikagon. "We beg the Lord to share his fire, and light a candle that has gone out."

Hen syndrorro, oños. Hen ñuqir, perzys. Hen morghot, glaeson. "From darkness, light. From ashes, fire. From death, life."

This post has been edited by champ: 03 May 2016 - 09:19 AM

[Gorefest]

Terez, on 03 May 2016 - 06:26 AM, said:

I meant to comment on Davos; got distracted by the OT discussion. IMO it's not a stretch to portray Davos as Jon's champion here. Davos has always been attracted to integrity, and I think he made it clear that he saw that integrity in Jon. Stannis saw it too, and Davos respected that.

Personally I disagree. I felt it was completely contrary to Davos' character to ever ask for divine intervention from a woman and a religion he despises. No matter how desperate the situation. Davos has been continuously portrayed both in the books and the the TV show as an honourable righteous guy, even as a smuggler. I just cannot see this sudden change of personality as anything other than poor writing.