[Denul]

 Eloth, on 28 July 2015 - 05:25 PM, said:

 Denul, on 28 July 2015 - 04:58 PM, said:

And Karosis's calling out of the Nephilim (who are typically referred to as offspring of fallen angels and human women) which if I understand this game correctly would be the scum.

 Karosis, on 28 July 2015 - 03:10 AM, said:

So the Nephilim have risen again?

If we are going to consider Karosis then you need to add Telas, as he had the diablo dice reference that could of been them signaling to each other. Otherwise, it doesn't come off that suspicious to me.

 Telas, on 27 July 2015 - 06:21 PM, said:

 Path-Shaper, on 27 July 2015 - 10:02 AM, said:

You find yourselves in a totally original tale of heaven versus hell. Simple-minded humans share the mortal plane with angels and demons, who try to influence them as best they can. The Code states that no direct interference is permitted. Both sides, however, are prone to interpreting the Code more as a set of guidelines than hard and fast rules, and should something happen to awaken their wrath, then it is always humans who will pay first.

You have quite a treasure there in that horadric cube

That is a very good point.

So I have down that if Hanas is scum then Hoods path and Arantha are both potential.

If Karosis is scum then Telas is most likely. Whom is the third wheel in that house. Liosan or Omtose?

[Eloth]

 Hood, on 28 July 2015 - 08:34 AM, said:

 Omtose, on 28 July 2015 - 08:33 AM, said:

 Demelain, on 28 July 2015 - 07:44 AM, said:

 Omtose, on 28 July 2015 - 06:13 AM, said:

So...vote night over and over and the game never ends? Sounds great!

Omtose is a few cans short of a crate

It's called a six-pack, biznitches. So we don't vote night and let it time out. Same thing. I believe rule K-11 states that stalemate games are awarded to town!PS, go ahead and post spoilers over now.

Damn you I just said that! at roughly the same time as you.

 Hanas, on 28 July 2015 - 08:54 AM, said:

Looking for ways for town to win without actually playing the game. I like it. It also puts you both in a positive light from my point of view. Now, in terms of effort I applaud Demelain for making a first move and putting the first vote out there. The only problem with what he's saying is that no one can actually make cases or promote good lynch candidates when the whole field of options have similar MO's. That being said the more content on thread is best for town so with that in mind I'm also willing to vote off one of those lower content people. So I'm willing tovote telas

 Karosis, on 28 July 2015 - 05:08 PM, said:

I agree a low poster hunt on day 1 doesn't really make much sense What interests me are the early posts by Liosan, Omtose and Hoods Path about closing the game without a lynch and when there is no night option

The bolded part above is what I didn't like about that conversation. Made me feel a little icky..

[Demelain]

 Denul, on 28 July 2015 - 04:58 PM, said:

And Karosis's calling out of the Nephilim (who are typically referred to as offspring of fallen angels and human women) which if I understand this game correctly would be the scum.

 Karosis, on 28 July 2015 - 03:10 AM, said:

So the Nephilim have risen again?

Thank you for clearing that one up, it'd been bugging me all night.

 Karosis, on 28 July 2015 - 05:08 PM, said:

I agree a low poster hunt on day 1 doesn't really make much sense
What interests me are the early posts by Liosan, Omtose and Hoods Path about closing the game without a lynch and when there is no night option

In how many games recently have the scum low-posted to a win? That aside, we do have as long as is needed to make a call on the first lynch choice - be it 1 day or 3 days. That is a long time with which to interact on thread and get an impression formed. I'm sticking with Telas because I like my thoughts there and they've not been on again to dissuade me.

Hanas, when you quote please make sure you include the <quote name='Alt' timestamp='1234567890' post='1234567'> line, some of yours lack it and it makes it hard going.

 Omtose, on 28 July 2015 - 11:53 AM, said:

I like this Hanas speculation rather than random-telas speculation. AND, if he comes up innocent, we can consider this a deflection from lower posters. An info win-win!

Vote Hanas

I wouldn't describe it as random thank you.

I agree with Eloth that the rush to pile votes on Hanas is dubious. I agree to a point that Hanas is right about themselves being most noisy and unlikely to be scum however I am also considering that they're trying to be seen as one of two things: innocent because no scum would be so loud or scum wanting to get lynched happy they've quoted lots of people and happy for the confusion that could cause once they CF as scum whilst at the same time enabling the other 2 scums kills. Getting a few town lynched early on is just a bonus to scum - once game starts it'll be BCS 7vs2 and even that is pretty much a stroll in the park.

 Denul, on 28 July 2015 - 03:44 PM, said:

Noticing and voting for signaling when there are three scum whom only known one other one is the only way to find scum. A signaling case is the strongest possible case.

Sorry but I'd have to disagree on something here - you assume scum are signalling. That's moronic. They can play this either to signal each other, once we find one we can hunt through the others based on that. Or they can not signal, lynch anyone who *isn't* the one they know whilst observing if the one they know votes that way or not, once one does go down they get lover comms anyway so find out who they didn't know anyway. Sorry to say this on thread but I thought it quite obvious, you seem to have missed it though. You also seem quite happy to jump and follow others lead, if you're scum then one of Liosan and Omtose most likely are too.

[Denul]

 Demelain, on 28 July 2015 - 05:42 PM, said:

 Denul, on 28 July 2015 - 03:44 PM, said:

Noticing and voting for signaling when there are three scum whom only known one other one is the only way to find scum. A signaling case is the strongest possible case.

Sorry but I'd have to disagree on something here - you assume scum are signalling. That's moronic. They can play this either to signal each other, once we find one we can hunt through the others based on that. Or they can not signal, lynch anyone who *isn't* the one they know whilst observing if the one they know votes that way or not, once one does go down they get lover comms anyway so find out who they didn't know anyway. Sorry to say this on thread but I thought it quite obvious, you seem to have missed it though.

I totally and fundamentally disagree with you on this point.

If A knows B and B knows C and C knows A. Then A would want B to know that he is scum and B would want C to know and C would want A to know. You are correct a town lynch or two would greatly help out scum once they can kill. Thus it would greatly be in there favor to be able to have all three be able to help to coordinate a town lynch or two. Rather then just to simply let town attempt hit. After all there is a 30% chance that one of the scum would be hit. Oh no. At this point being able to use scums numbers to influence the lynch is most to there advantage. After all they would only need to convince 3 towns to follow a vote. Day 1 and if need be day 2 the interactions between members of town is how we will find scum.

Based on your reasoning then we should just simply lynch as soon as possible as quickly as possible because scum will not bother to interaction with each other. Well I refuse that. Your logic sir is flawed.

[Denul]

 Eloth, on 28 July 2015 - 05:32 PM, said:

 Hood, on 28 July 2015 - 08:34 AM, said:

 Omtose, on 28 July 2015 - 08:33 AM, said:

 Demelain, on 28 July 2015 - 07:44 AM, said:

 Omtose, on 28 July 2015 - 06:13 AM, said:

So...vote night over and over and the game never ends? Sounds great!

Omtose is a few cans short of a crate

It's called a six-pack, biznitches. So we don't vote night and let it time out. Same thing. I believe rule K-11 states that stalemate games are awarded to town!PS, go ahead and post spoilers over now.

Damn you I just said that! at roughly the same time as you.

 Hanas, on 28 July 2015 - 08:54 AM, said:

Looking for ways for town to win without actually playing the game. I like it. It also puts you both in a positive light from my point of view. Now, in terms of effort I applaud Demelain for making a first move and putting the first vote out there. The only problem with what he's saying is that no one can actually make cases or promote good lynch candidates when the whole field of options have similar MO's. That being said the more content on thread is best for town so with that in mind I'm also willing to vote off one of those lower content people. So I'm willing tovote telas

 Karosis, on 28 July 2015 - 05:08 PM, said:

I agree a low poster hunt on day 1 doesn't really make much sense What interests me are the early posts by Liosan, Omtose and Hoods Path about closing the game without a lynch and when there is no night option

The bolded part above is what I didn't like about that conversation. Made me feel a little icky..

I agree. Who says something like that on day 1. A positive light? This is mafia and everyone is a suspect. That is some shady shit.

[Hanas]

 Denul, on 28 July 2015 - 05:27 PM, said:

 Hanas, on 28 July 2015 - 05:18 PM, said:

Denul what was the point of the remove? I can see your going to try to paint me as a common denominator.

@Karosis

Why does that jump out to you?

I don't have to try to paint you as anything. Your post interactions can do that.

I removed because there is still a bit of time left in the day and I am online so I don't have to hurry to leave my vote. I also want to do due diligence for other interactions. Today is the day for scum to try to signal each other. Of course we could let today time out and force more interaction between people by extending day 1. Which is certainly an option in this game.

Why do scum need to signal each other though?

As long as they don't lynch the person they know then they will be fine. They aren't truly scum until we actually get rid of at least one scum.

If they end up accusing their partner then later on they are already distanced.

I see no benefit to a scum signalling their fellow scum knowing we would be looking for it.

The falling angel thing is way more interesting though considering the 2nd OP.

[Hanas]

 Denul, on 28 July 2015 - 05:30 PM, said:

 Eloth, on 28 July 2015 - 05:25 PM, said:

 Denul, on 28 July 2015 - 04:58 PM, said:

And Karosis's calling out of the Nephilim (who are typically referred to as offspring of fallen angels and human women) which if I understand this game correctly would be the scum.

 Karosis, on 28 July 2015 - 03:10 AM, said:

So the Nephilim have risen again?

If we are going to consider Karosis then you need to add Telas, as he had the diablo dice reference that could of been them signaling to each other. Otherwise, it doesn't come off that suspicious to me.

 Telas, on 27 July 2015 - 06:21 PM, said:

 Path-Shaper, on 27 July 2015 - 10:02 AM, said:

You find yourselves in a totally original tale of heaven versus hell. Simple-minded humans share the mortal plane with angels and demons, who try to influence them as best they can. The Code states that no direct interference is permitted. Both sides, however, are prone to interpreting the Code more as a set of guidelines than hard and fast rules, and should something happen to awaken their wrath, then it is always humans who will pay first.

You have quite a treasure there in that horadric cube

That is a very good point.

So I have down that if Hanas is scum then Hoods path and Arantha are both potential.

If Karosis is scum then Telas is most likely. Whom is the third wheel in that house. Liosan or Omtose?

What because scum are just dumb enough to paint a fucking trail from each member?

Moronic.

[Hanas]

 Denul, on 28 July 2015 - 05:57 PM, said:

 Demelain, on 28 July 2015 - 05:42 PM, said:

 Denul, on 28 July 2015 - 03:44 PM, said:

Noticing and voting for signaling when there are three scum whom only known one other one is the only way to find scum. A signaling case is the strongest possible case.

Sorry but I'd have to disagree on something here - you assume scum are signalling. That's moronic. They can play this either to signal each other, once we find one we can hunt through the others based on that. Or they can not signal, lynch anyone who *isn't* the one they know whilst observing if the one they know votes that way or not, once one does go down they get lover comms anyway so find out who they didn't know anyway. Sorry to say this on thread but I thought it quite obvious, you seem to have missed it though.

I totally and fundamentally disagree with you on this point.

If A knows B and B knows C and C knows A. Then A would want B to know that he is scum and B would want C to know and C would want A to know. You are correct a town lynch or two would greatly help out scum once they can kill. Thus it would greatly be in there favor to be able to have all three be able to help to coordinate a town lynch or two. Rather then just to simply let town attempt hit. After all there is a 30% chance that one of the scum would be hit. Oh no. At this point being able to use scums numbers to influence the lynch is most to there advantage. After all they would only need to convince 3 towns to follow a vote. Day 1 and if need be day 2 the interactions between members of town is how we will find scum.

Based on your reasoning then we should just simply lynch as soon as possible as quickly as possible because scum will not bother to interaction with each other. Well I refuse that. Your logic sir is flawed.

Why? Why would a want b to know a is scum because when one scum is lynched they'll know who scum is because they get a fucking lover conversation going.

You are dumb. I stopped reading the rest of your post.

I did read Demelain and he or she has a similar mindset.

[Hanas]

 Denul, on 28 July 2015 - 06:01 PM, said:

 Eloth, on 28 July 2015 - 05:32 PM, said:

 Hood, on 28 July 2015 - 08:34 AM, said:

 Omtose, on 28 July 2015 - 08:33 AM, said:

 Demelain, on 28 July 2015 - 07:44 AM, said:

 Omtose, on 28 July 2015 - 06:13 AM, said:

So...vote night over and over and the game never ends? Sounds great!

Omtose is a few cans short of a crate

It's called a six-pack, biznitches. So we don't vote night and let it time out. Same thing. I believe rule K-11 states that stalemate games are awarded to town!PS, go ahead and post spoilers over now.

Damn you I just said that! at roughly the same time as you.

 Hanas, on 28 July 2015 - 08:54 AM, said:

Looking for ways for town to win without actually playing the game. I like it. It also puts you both in a positive light from my point of view. Now, in terms of effort I applaud Demelain for making a first move and putting the first vote out there. The only problem with what he's saying is that no one can actually make cases or promote good lynch candidates when the whole field of options have similar MO's. That being said the more content on thread is best for town so with that in mind I'm also willing to vote off one of those lower content people. So I'm willing tovote telas

 Karosis, on 28 July 2015 - 05:08 PM, said:

I agree a low poster hunt on day 1 doesn't really make much sense What interests me are the early posts by Liosan, Omtose and Hoods Path about closing the game without a lynch and when there is no night option

The bolded part above is what I didn't like about that conversation. Made me feel a little icky..

I agree. Who says something like that on day 1. A positive light? This is mafia and everyone is a suspect. That is some shady shit.

Why do I personally see it in a positive light?

Because they are looking for a way for town to win.

Because it is not in scums interest to help town with a winning strategy.

If you were town then you'd be looking for a way for us to win rather than be a moron.

[Hanas]

Denul say your scum and you do want to signal another scum how would you go about doing it in this game? I'm genuinely curious. It seems like you're trying to figure out a way for scum to win and looking at things from the wrong perspective.

[Liosan]

 Hanas, on 28 July 2015 - 02:13 PM, said:

Do scum usually paint themselves a target for a lynch this early in the game. You think I'm going to come up scum when I'm the loudest voice in the thread?

Even if there was to be a high posting scum the general trend would be for them to blend in, not make any waves and agree with others rather than venture their own opinions.

Logically we had a better shot of hitting scum by prodding those non entities further.

The votes piling up on me are moronic at best. Scum don't need to signal because they know of at least one other scum, if I signalled someone AND was scum then that'd be easily fucking traced back to whoever I supposedly signalled.

Defence based on 'what scum tend to do' AND playing down of signaling cases? Who's playing scummy bingo right now?

Firstly, the best scum play aggressively, and try to control the game, exactly because that isn't typical scum behaviour, and they come off looking town.

Scum are absolutely going to want to signal each other, because it's in their best interests to get as many town lynched as possible before phase two is triggered and town roles come into play.

Having caught up, I'm still happy where my vote is.

[Denul]

 Hanas, on 28 July 2015 - 06:12 PM, said:

You are dumb. I stopped reading the rest of your post.

You a retarded off spring of a donkey and a long tailed baboon but I don't see what that has to do with mafia. Just with your personal hygiene and it might explain your sexual interest in your half sister (donkey and a lemur).

[Hanas]

 Denul, on 28 July 2015 - 06:57 PM, said:

 Hanas, on 28 July 2015 - 06:12 PM, said:

You are dumb. I stopped reading the rest of your post.

You a retarded off spring of a donkey and a long tailed baboon but I don't see what that has to do with mafia. Just with your personal hygiene and it might explain your sexual interest in your half sister (donkey and a lemur).

Well it looks like you are not dumb because that was pretty much spot on.

I bow to your wisdom. Let's look for those signals.

[Denul]

 Hanas, on 28 July 2015 - 06:18 PM, said:

Denul say your scum and you do want to signal another scum how would you go about doing it in this game? I'm genuinely curious. It seems like you're trying to figure out a way for scum to win and looking at things from the wrong perspective.

Why are you looking for tips? I look at every game from the prospective of scum. Why the fuck don't you? Their perspective is the only one that matters. Go look up mafia 101 if you want more hints on how to play the game. If you want to ask me more thoughts on game play pm me after the game. During the game is not the time to ask how the fuck to play. I am not your dad and this is not checkers.

[Denul]

 Hanas, on 28 July 2015 - 06:15 PM, said:

Why do I personally see it in a positive light?

Because they are looking for a way for town to win.

Because it is not in scums interest to help town with a winning strategy.

If you were town then you'd be looking for a way for us to win rather than be a moron.

Lets go over everything wrong with this


Who says they are looking for a way for town to win? Do you know that they are town? How is it even conceivable for that to be a possibility on day 1. There is no positive light on day 1. There is no positive light on d day. You know when there is positive light when the game is over and you have won. Bam positive light. Until that happens every single motherfucker is suspect. Or should be unless you scum.

Your wrong it is in scums interest for them to help town to think that town is coming up with a winning strategy for finding scum. Go read All of the fucking town versus scum games. Each and every time scum won it was because at least a couple of town thought that they (the scum) were "good" townies trying to help town win.

If there was more town I would want to lynch you so that you could watch from SH and perhaps learn something. If that is even a possibility.

[Hanas]

In those games scum might act like good townies in creating cases and posting good content but they wouldn't shoe a better way for town to win. It depends on how strongly they push their ideas.

I don't want the focus on me because I know I'm innocent.

So I suggest you look elsewhere.

[Denul]

 Hanas, on 28 July 2015 - 06:08 PM, said:

 Denul, on 28 July 2015 - 05:30 PM, said:

 Eloth, on 28 July 2015 - 05:25 PM, said:

 Denul, on 28 July 2015 - 04:58 PM, said:

And Karosis's calling out of the Nephilim (who are typically referred to as offspring of fallen angels and human women) which if I understand this game correctly would be the scum.

 Karosis, on 28 July 2015 - 03:10 AM, said:

So the Nephilim have risen again?

If we are going to consider Karosis then you need to add Telas, as he had the diablo dice reference that could of been them signaling to each other. Otherwise, it doesn't come off that suspicious to me.

 Telas, on 27 July 2015 - 06:21 PM, said:

 Path-Shaper, on 27 July 2015 - 10:02 AM, said:

You find yourselves in a totally original tale of heaven versus hell. Simple-minded humans share the mortal plane with angels and demons, who try to influence them as best they can. The Code states that no direct interference is permitted. Both sides, however, are prone to interpreting the Code more as a set of guidelines than hard and fast rules, and should something happen to awaken their wrath, then it is always humans who will pay first.

You have quite a treasure there in that horadric cube

That is a very good point.

So I have down that if Hanas is scum then Hoods path and Arantha are both potential.

If Karosis is scum then Telas is most likely. Whom is the third wheel in that house. Liosan or Omtose?

What because scum are just dumb enough to paint a fucking trail from each member?

Moronic.

Please enlighten us oh glorious one? How would you in all of your mafia experience that spans hundreds of games and differing scenarios over the course of years find scum in a situation like this? Would it be to lynch a low poster? Wow that is a great strategy! Would it be to lynch a high poster? Anther sure fire winner! Would it be to lynch someone . I see a lot of your an idiot and what not but nothing from you as to whom could be scum and why. What makes you think that scum are any smarter then you are? How many brilliant mafia players are there? I will tell you there are none!

[Denul]

 Hanas, on 28 July 2015 - 07:46 PM, said:

In those games scum might act like good townies in creating cases and posting good content but they wouldn't shoe a better way for town to win. It depends on how strongly they push their ideas.

I don't want the focus on me because I know I'm innocent.

So I suggest you look elsewhere.

What would you expect scum to say in your situation?

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. There are 8 hours and 38 minutes remaining. There are 10 players alive:

Aranatha, Demelain, Denul, Eloth, Hanas, Hood's Path, Karosis, Liosan, Omtose, Telas

6 votes to lynch.

1 vote Telas: Demelain
2 votes Hanas: Liosan, Omtose
1 vote Liosan: Hanas

Players not voted: Aranatha, Denul, Eloth, Hood's Path, Karosis, Telas

[Hanas]

 Denul, on 28 July 2015 - 07:49 PM, said:

 Hanas, on 28 July 2015 - 06:08 PM, said:

 Denul, on 28 July 2015 - 05:30 PM, said:

 Eloth, on 28 July 2015 - 05:25 PM, said:

 Denul, on 28 July 2015 - 04:58 PM, said:

And Karosis's calling out of the Nephilim (who are typically referred to as offspring of fallen angels and human women) which if I understand this game correctly would be the scum.

 Karosis, on 28 July 2015 - 03:10 AM, said:

So the Nephilim have risen again?

If we are going to consider Karosis then you need to add Telas, as he had the diablo dice reference that could of been them signaling to each other. Otherwise, it doesn't come off that suspicious to me.

 Telas, on 27 July 2015 - 06:21 PM, said:

 Path-Shaper, on 27 July 2015 - 10:02 AM, said:

You find yourselves in a totally original tale of heaven versus hell. Simple-minded humans share the mortal plane with angels and demons, who try to influence them as best they can. The Code states that no direct interference is permitted. Both sides, however, are prone to interpreting the Code more as a set of guidelines than hard and fast rules, and should something happen to awaken their wrath, then it is always humans who will pay first.

You have quite a treasure there in that horadric cube

That is a very good point.

So I have down that if Hanas is scum then Hoods path and Arantha are both potential.

If Karosis is scum then Telas is most likely. Whom is the third wheel in that house. Liosan or Omtose?

What because scum are just dumb enough to paint a fucking trail from each member?

Moronic.

Please enlighten us oh glorious one? How would you in all of your mafia experience that spans hundreds of games and differing scenarios over the course of years find scum in a situation like this? Would it be to lynch a low poster? Wow that is a great strategy! Would it be to lynch a high poster? Anther sure fire winner! Would it be to lynch someone . I see a lot of your an idiot and what not but nothing from you as to whom could be scum and why. What makes you think that scum are any smarter then you are? How many brilliant mafia players are there? I will tell you there are none!

You want to look for signalling go ahead. I think that's moronic.

My idea with voting Liosan is because he wanted to shift focus away from Telas when there was zero activity.

There's no motive for town to derail any lynch but to only lynch who they think is scum.

If Telas is scum and Liosan is the one who knows him then it makes sense for Liosan to provide a new target. If the scum that Liosan knows was a low poster at the time then it also serves his purpose to shift focus.

Your investigation on me amounts to a weak signalling case at best.


Saying something about my brother using tinder is RL. I'm not going to use RL to throw a signal out there. Not if I'm scum. Not caring whether or not it may be construed as signalling should be a point in my favour of being town because I'm not watching what I say.

I'm not being careful in that regard. Me pointing this out to you and you ignoring it is why I said you were moronic.

Now I know you're not moronic so there must be some point to your motive. Either you're town and are truly looking for signalling which I don't understand. Or your scum like you were the other game, only that game you would cf as town symp boy.

But mafia isn't black or white is it. It's lots of grey.