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Posted 11 April 2016 - 05:35 AM
So I finally got around to watching this yesterday. I had no expectations for this film having not been very hyped over it in the first place, and seeing the general critical bashing its had so far.
Short version: decent entertainment. Decent-to-good fight scenes. Atrocious plot, set up for JL, and generally a mess all over.
Whoever orchestrated this needs to get their credentials revoked (and I don't necessarily mean Snyder; I mean whoever decided that they need to hop on the Cinematic Universe bandwagon so quickly and decided the best way to go about was this mish-mash of three movies that were never meant to be rammed together).
Slightly longer:
Spoiler
It *barely* works as its own plot/universe. Dream sequences within flashbacks within dream sequences, ffs. Twice. Inexplicable character actions and a Lex Luthor who would never in a million years be able to run a company, let alone orchestrate a plot. He was like a very, very poor take-off of Ledger's Joker. No presence, no depth, poor acting and zero redeeming qualities (seriously; if he'd pulled off a sudden switch from slightly laughable to menacing, they could have turned it around. Instead, he just stayed laughable, leaving the whole "he planned everything!" scenario unbelievable and flat). Poor casting, poor writing.
Batman and Superman apparently both lack the ability to talk or otherwise communicate except through names of mothers. I mean...what? Never mind how easily Batman was manipulated in this, his inability to respond to "I want to talk" just beggars belief. But apparently a bit of Heroic Sacrifice (which really didn't need to happen? WW was there, she could have used the spear with no issue while Superman distracted Doomsday...) later and he's back to his old self. Way to have a mid-life crisis, Batfleck. XD
Batman denies knowing WW, "I thought she was with you" despite sending her the gorram email that got her involved! He KNOWS who she is, ffs. Doesn't even come off as Batman being cryptic, it's just awkward, Fridge Logic be damned.
How did anyone blame Superman for the thing in the desert? What was even the significance of the special bullets?!
Ham-handed and blatant browsing of the metahuman files seemed unnecessary and poorly handled. Leave the bloody symbols as a question mark for anyone who doesn't know what they are, don't make WW scroll through them all for....some reason...on screen.
I get that they couldn't really do another Batman series, but why even make this movie *before* the WW movie? It just meant her entire character was shoe-horned in and had almost no, well, character. Not that Gadot did a bad job; she was one of the best parts of the movie. It just felt forced in there, sadly.
The biggest issue going forward will be one of scale, I think; now that they've done Doomsday, and established the Trinity, they're going to have the same issue as the MCU: Superman, fucking call Batman for help! Batman, fucking call Wonder Woman for help! Etc. Whenever there is a significant thread in an individual movie, unless they make all of them "prequel" movies. And other than Darkseid they're going to be scraping the barrel for truly significant threats that aren't "too obscure" for the broader audience of the movies, even in the JL movies. Especially seeing as, presumably, by the timeline of this Batman, all of his villains are well dead and buried. Or brutally maimed. Because, you know, darker and edgier, murderbat won't have left the Joker alive, right?
Not that I dislike murderbat. I'm a fan of pragmatism, especially if one is fighting regular battles of 5-on-1 or worse odds, and leaving these guys alive historically has not worked out well for anyone. And heck, it's not like he wasn't killing people before; he just wasn't doing it so directly, and often not so deliberately.
Anyway, not that I disliked it, but it was a mess of a movie. Held together with tape and happy thoughts. And I'm certainly not excited for any future movies in the series (though I'll end up seeing them, I'm sure), based on this outing. *Much* more excited for Suicide Squad, tbh.
I feel like this iteration of the "darker and edgier" DC Universe has basically just become Watchmen, but with more recognisable characters and less, well, finesse.
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Shinrei said:
<Vote Silencer> For not garnering any heat or any love for that matter. And I'm being serious here, it's like a mental block that is there, and you just keep forgetting it.
I thought it was a decent watch though it was ruined by the trailer spoiling way too much... they really didn't have to reveal Doomsday before the film release!
At least 3 or 4 times they stated that an area was abandoned, empty, closed for the day addressing the first film fallout... it just felt forced and took me out of the film.
Too many dream sequences/flash backs to flesh out the characters/story trying to rush the DC universe.
Has this crazy version of Lex ever been portrayed in the comics?
And as for...
Spoiler
The death of Superman - it had zero impact really. I wasn't invested in the character at all.
And any impact it may have had, they spoiled it a couple of minutes later showing the dirt vibrate. They could have at least left you wondering...
And yet despite all that, I would watch it again... sadly though it wasn't that amazing film I was hoping for.
Re: Lex. Yes. This is pretty much the New52 version of Lex Luthor. He slowly builds into the cold, calculatiing Lex we know, but it's a road he travels.
"When the last tree has fallen, and the rivers are poisoned, you cannot eat money, oh no." ~Aurora
"Someone will always try to sell you despair, just so they don't feel alone." ~Ursula Vernon
Is that true? I know the sun powers Superman, but how much sun can he take? Is he like the Hulk and the more sun he absorbs the more Super he gets? Or is there a limit to how strong he grows over time?
I know there is a story about Superman existing at the end of time (or something like that) where he's been hibernating inside the sun and is basically a god but ignoring plot armor, the sun is millions of degrees Celsius. If you can hurt superman with kinetic energy and laser weapons I am pretty fucking sure that nuclear plasma will end him. Him or Doomsday.
Doomsday needs to first die/get seriously damaged to grow stronger. You don't grow stronger from literally being consumed inside a humongous plasma ball.
(I love these kinds of discussions)
This post has been edited by Apt: 03 May 2016 - 07:41 PM
Doomsday is the only thing to ever achieve killing Superman in the comics, and even then it wasn't the Kryptonite that did it. It was sheer brute force of another Kryptonian.
Superman could sit on the sun and it would only serve to make him stronger. As with any Kryptonian.
EDIT: Oh, and the comic you referred to is DC ONE MILLION by Grant Morrison, and it has Superman's Fortress of Solitude located at the center of the sun for 15,000 years.
This post has been edited by QuickTidal: 03 May 2016 - 07:52 PM
"When the last tree has fallen, and the rivers are poisoned, you cannot eat money, oh no." ~Aurora
"Someone will always try to sell you despair, just so they don't feel alone." ~Ursula Vernon
Saw it last night. QuickTidal has the take on it I agree with most. Flawed movie, yet near genius level characterization of Batman, Superman, Lex, and Wonder Woman.
It's so weird to see Snyder, who doesn't seem to actually understand the complexities and context of the comics he works with, put these same story in the comics in better form than the comics themselves.
I survived the Permian and all I got was this t-shirt.
Yeah but that is bullshit. I get that there are theories behind Supermans durability. Like his cells work as batteries and envelope him in a forcefield or some bullshit.
But he's still made out of cells. If you can stab him. Or hurt him with a laser. That means there is a weakness in the structure of his skin and muscles. If a laser hurts, then being enveloped by million degree fluid energy will burn him like tissue paper.
The Kryptonians are not gods. They just have weird DNA.
This post has been edited by Apt: 03 May 2016 - 07:55 PM
Doomsday is the only thing to ever achieve killing Superman in the comics, and even then it wasn't the Kryptonite that did it. It was sheer brute force of another Kryptonian.
Superman could sit on the sun and it would only serve to make him stronger. As with any Kryptonian.
EDIT: Oh, and the comic you referred to is DC ONE MILLION by Grant Morrison, and it has Superman's Fortress of Solitude located at the center of the sun for 15,000 years.
i dunno, you guys seem to be forgetting the time that superman.........oh wait, its a comic book character
This post has been edited by Macros: 03 May 2016 - 07:55 PM
When Lex's plot was revealed about two thirds of the way through, I said "Wow!" in the theaters because it was genuinely targeted at destroying Superman, complexly evil, and unexpectedly effective.
I survived the Permian and all I got was this t-shirt.
Yeah but that is bullshit. I get that there are theories behind Supermans durability. Like his cells work as batteries and envelope him in a forcefield or some bullshit.
But he's still made out of cells. If you can stab him. Or hurt him with a laser. That means there is a weakness in the structure of his skin and muscles. If a laser hurts, then being enveloped by million degree fluid energy will burn him like tissue paper.
The Kryptonians are not gods. They just have weird DNA.
But we have proof that it doesn't. He's been at the center or fierce infernos and sometimes even liquid hot Magma (<---Dr. Evil voice)...and no damage.
Hoisted from another site:
He was once in the center of a collision between New Genesis and Apokolypse, which are as big as Two Hyper-Giant Stars, if not more.
So Post-Crisis Superman is Star-System level+ in Durability.
New 52 Superman tanked a few Black holes, which is Star level+ Durability.
But to me if Grant Morrison wrote it into canon, I'm buying it since he's one of the best people to ever write the character.
"When the last tree has fallen, and the rivers are poisoned, you cannot eat money, oh no." ~Aurora
"Someone will always try to sell you despair, just so they don't feel alone." ~Ursula Vernon
When Lex's plot was revealed about two thirds of the way through, I said "Wow!" in the theaters because it was genuinely targeted at destroying Superman, complexly evil, and unexpectedly effective.
I liked this Lex because it shows that underneath the Facebook CEO-like exterior is this sadistic, malevolent madman just barely holding on to the facade.
"When the last tree has fallen, and the rivers are poisoned, you cannot eat money, oh no." ~Aurora
"Someone will always try to sell you despair, just so they don't feel alone." ~Ursula Vernon
It was brilliant. Made the character both a critique of tech billionaires (while Wayne is a descendant of the robber barons who trashed the native Americans with the fur trade and the railroad/oil monopolies).
I survived the Permian and all I got was this t-shirt.
The combat is also superb. Genuinely well thought out, presented, and performed. It's nearly on a visual level with Mad Max despite way more CGI and tools used. Usually, Snyder gets hung up in slow mo and looking good stuff, but not this time.
I survived the Permian and all I got was this t-shirt.
Yeah but that is bullshit. I get that there are theories behind Supermans durability. Like his cells work as batteries and envelope him in a forcefield or some bullshit.
But he's still made out of cells. If you can stab him. Or hurt him with a laser. That means there is a weakness in the structure of his skin and muscles. If a laser hurts, then being enveloped by million degree fluid energy will burn him like tissue paper.
The Kryptonians are not gods. They just have weird DNA.
Superman also once relocated a bunch of planets (because they're sun was going supernova or something) by tying a giant rope around them and pulling them to a new part of the galaxy. Not only was the physics of him moving the planets possible, but it didn't horribly devastate the surface of the planets, either - the creatures living on those planets were perfectly fine.
I don't think Superman can ever be explained with anything like "his mitochondria are nucleic and output force fields" or anything of the sort. The only feasible explanation would be something like "He can bend the physical laws of the universe when he believes he can, and he usually believes he is invulnerable. But sometimes he has a bit of self-doubt about lasers and gets stung by them a bit."
worrywort, on 14 September 2012 - 08:07 PM, said:
I kinda love it when D'rek unleashes her nerd wrath, as I knew she would here. Sorry innocent bystanders, but someone's gotta be the kindling.
Didn't Superman cop an excessive and essentially fatal dose of sun in the All Star Superman (2011) movie? Juiced him up for a while but even his system "could'nae handle the powah!"
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