[Ultama]

Path-Shaper, on 09 February 2015 - 12:09 AM, said:

GAME SPECIFIC RULES

Days will be 36 hours. Night Phase will take as long as it takes me to resolve. Please be sure to have your Night Action provisionals in during the Day phase.

This is a town vs. scum game. Scum are Kalam Mekhar, Adjunct Tavore and T'amber. Town are the Claw - this should be taken seriously. The Claw are not to be trifled with.

Are the three of them equal? Do we think they know of each other?

Important questions because we need to determine whether Tulas purposefully threw Kalam under a bus to PI himself or it was great town play by Tulas.

back later

[Ultama]

Tulas Shorn, on 11 February 2015 - 01:32 AM, said:

Omtose, on 11 February 2015 - 01:04 AM, said:

Mockra, on 10 February 2015 - 11:36 PM, said:

Tennes, on 09 February 2015 - 05:59 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 09 February 2015 - 05:53 PM, said:

Tennes, on 09 February 2015 - 05:36 PM, said:

Also first poster over here show some respect you jerk!

That is like being the first one on the short bus!

I know right! Short bus is the best bus ever when it goes BEEP BEEP you can hear it better! hahahah!

We are getting slightly off topic rather quickly here, so to bring us back to the subject at hand, namely of us being the bad guys;

Vote Korbas

for not being First

Not voting for Korbas based off this initial logic.

Vote Tennes

That was not the reason Korbas was being voted for. Are you that much of a skim reader, or were you trying to give a lame reason for not having to vote Korbas?

I think this is a good point. Particularly when you look back and see this earlier post by Mockra, which suggests he's really not keen on voting Tennes on his own merits:

Mockra, on 10 February 2015 - 09:28 AM, said:

Venesara, on 10 February 2015 - 03:42 AM, said:

Tholen, on 10 February 2015 - 02:57 AM, said:

Venesara, on 10 February 2015 - 01:37 AM, said:

The rest of the votes seem like people jumping in on the only excitement of the day. Tho, I wouldn't be surprised if the scummy good guys are already represented on the train...

Venesara, on 10 February 2015 - 01:55 AM, said:

Not at all. I know the bad guys are town this game. It's a reversal since there are limited good guys in this scenario.

Are you trying to cover the original slip by clouding the good guy bad guy dynamic?

Hardly. Just trying to nail down one of the scummy people on the train. Plus, I won't vote for Tennes just for that reason. Seems kind of stupid to me.

This. I think this is all day one non sense.

It's also worth noting that the above post comes close on the heels of me discussing with Korbas why I'm voting him and what the case on him is...

I'm going to go ahead and:

Vote Mockra

If Mockra did not want to vote Tennes why does that make him scummy? Or is it because he didn't want to vote him initially but ended up doing it anyway ergo avoiding the Korbas lynch?

[Tennes]

Ultama, on 11 February 2015 - 10:15 AM, said:

If Mockra did not want to vote Tennes why does that make him scummy? Or is it because he didn't want to vote him initially but ended up doing it anyway ergo avoiding the Korbas lynch?

Pretty much that.

Mockra felt initially that the case on me was just "day 1 nonsense" but then later in the day Mockra votes me instead of Korbas with no other justification or saying he changed his mind from considering the case on me "nonsense". To get a lynch possibly, but this is after purposefully ignoring the case Tulas made, and quotes my joke post as the only reason anyone could possible be voting for Korbas. This and other things lead me to strongly suspect the scum do know each other, and that Mockra should be next.

[Omtose]

I'm pretty happy voting Mockra. Their justification for voting Tennes over Korbas and then Tulas today does not hold up at all.

Vote Mockra

[Omtose]

Ultama, on 11 February 2015 - 10:12 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 09 February 2015 - 12:09 AM, said:

GAME SPECIFIC RULES

Days will be 36 hours. Night Phase will take as long as it takes me to resolve. Please be sure to have your Night Action provisionals in during the Day phase.

This is a town vs. scum game. Scum are Kalam Mekhar, Adjunct Tavore and T'amber. Town are the Claw - this should be taken seriously. The Claw are not to be trifled with.

Are the three of them equal? Do we think they know of each other?

Important questions because we need to determine whether Tulas purposefully threw Kalam under a bus to PI himself or it was great town play by Tulas.

back later

I was assuming two killers (Kalam, T'amber) and a symp (Tavore). Though the fact that there was no kill last night may throw that for a loop.

From a story perspective, it would make sense if all three knew each other, but perhaps not from a mafia perspective.


Edit: Changed 'storu' to 'story'.

This post has been edited by Omtose: 11 February 2015 - 01:47 PM

[Tennes]

Given no NK last night I guess X tavore, and either; killer Kalam, backup killer T'amber, OR alternate night kills for Kalam and T'amber, which is now 1 per night for T'amber.

I story wise disagree that tavore is a symp, doesn't fit with the character relationships IMO, but from a gameplay perspective since they don't have a "leader" and are just three scum, it is certainly possible. Don't know what other role she would have though, because I also can't see her as a killer. Could be as simple as lover convo with both other scum?

[Omtose]

Tennes, on 11 February 2015 - 01:52 PM, said:

Given no NK last night I guess X tavore, and either; killer Kalam, backup killer T'amber, OR alternate night kills for Kalam and T'amber, which is now 1 per night for T'amber.

I story wise disagree that tavore is a symp, doesn't fit with the character relationships IMO, but from a gameplay perspective since they don't have a "leader" and are just three scum, it is certainly possible. Don't know what other role she would have though, because I also can't see her as a killer. Could be as simple as lover convo with both other scum?

That could be it, yes - two killers with alternating kills who can't communicate offthread except via Tavore. Which would also work well story-wise, as they'd have to protect Tavore in order to maintain comms.

[Path-Shaper]

It is now Day 2. 22 hours 43 minutes remaining.

There are 12 players left alive: Alkend, Ampelas, Mockra, Omtose, Pallid, Rikkter, Tennes, Tholen, Tiamatha, Tulas Shorn, Ultama, Venesara

7 votes to lynch, 6 for night.

2 votes Mockra: Tulas Shorn, Omtose
1 vote Tulas Shorn: Mockra
1 vote Tholen: Venesara


Players not voted: Alkend, Ampelas, Pallid, Rikkter, Tennes, Tholen, Tiamatha, Ultama

[Ultama]

Pallid, on 11 February 2015 - 01:24 AM, said:

Ultama, on 10 February 2015 - 04:57 PM, said:

To add thoughts for later in the game. Town should certainly come back here when they get a scum cf. (Scum = bad (Tennes))

😛

What is this referring to?

It felt like we were being steered away from Tennes by Tulas. Turns out that it wasn't a bad thing but at the time I was giving advice for future days.

[Ultama]

Pallid, on 11 February 2015 - 01:33 AM, said:

Sorry, it was really by accident.

One thing that jumps out at me is that Ultama seemed to be going the against Tennes route with all of those posts and then changed his mind at the end. Getting angry at one point, and even provides Tennes' name as scum in brackets, which really seems like he was convinced at the time, yet Ultamately votes against Korbas.

This wasn't a quick decision. There was a lot of back and forth and the only thing that has changed my mind is the scum cf.

[Ultama]

Mockra, on 11 February 2015 - 02:12 AM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 10 February 2015 - 06:46 PM, said:

Korbas, on 10 February 2015 - 06:25 PM, said:

I signed up because I had the time, but It looks like I'm going to be railroaded on the first day.

Yeah, I wasn't aiming any of those comments at you, or really at any individual in particular.

It is interesting to note that the two main suspects today are both amongst the most vocal. Often, being vocal does mean you're more likely to get some heat; we seem to pressure people based on things they have done more than things they haven't. However, in this case the heat on Tennes for example came pretty early, before most of the posts, so I think it does suggest that putting pressure on people does make them post more...

I am voting for Tulas Shorn. This whole Lynch seemed far too logical and then I get jumped. Now at first you may think it is cause he targeted me off the gate, or Omtose did? This seems suspicious from my point of view. If I was Scum, I would sell myself as the person to be trusted which was done well. Then he is not going to be your immediate target, which makes even less sense by the information, or lack of that I gave on day one. This should make complete sense for my case.

Vote Tulas Shorn

May change based off secondary line of thought if Tulas can provide it.

So after Tulas makes a case on you, you don't answer it but instead attack Tulas.

Now I can see what you are saying so I have a question for you.

If Tennes was looking like a likely lynch candidate, then why would Tulas need to get a fellow scum lynched? It doesn't make sense. You say to look more townie? With potential finders in the game that could be easily spoiled. That'd be 2 scum down and one to go. So talk me through your logic.

Also answer Tulas' case because it's quite damning, and my vote will be going on you at the moment.

[Tulas Shorn]

To briefly respond to Mockra:

1. I'm not sure why the plain fact of me agreeing with Omtose is particularly scummy? I thought he made a good point, which was worth pursuing. What would you have me do instead, pretend I hadn't seen his post?
2. I don't see how yesterday was "too logical" by any stretch of the imagination.
3. I'm not sure why me voting you "off the gate" is bad. It's one vote, putting you on what, L-6? Voting early prompts discussion and puts a little bit of pressure on -- your reaction to that has done absolutely nothing to convince me that you're innocent.
4. I've heard of distancing, but the implication that as scum I'd make the effort to push a lynch on my own team mate when he's not picking up pressure and there's an alternate train going... I mean, I've been called stupid fairly often playing mafia, but come on.
5. At least you acknowledge that your vote looks like OMGUS.

So yeah, you're making like, the opposite of "complete sense" to me...

[Omtose]

Tulas Shorn, on 11 February 2015 - 03:13 PM, said:

I've been called stupid fairly often playing mafia, but come on.

You're stupid.


..............





Apologies, the 5 year old me escaped for a second there.

[Tholen]

Bubba, on 11 February 2015 - 02:19 AM, said:

By the way.....
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I really wanted to play...

You did play. Just not very well.

[Tholen]

Tulas Shorn, on 11 February 2015 - 03:13 PM, said:

To briefly respond to Mockra:

1. I'm not sure why the plain fact of me agreeing with Omtose is particularly scummy? I thought he made a good point, which was worth pursuing. What would you have me do instead, pretend I hadn't seen his post?
2. I don't see how yesterday was "too logical" by any stretch of the imagination.
3. I'm not sure why me voting you "off the gate" is bad. It's one vote, putting you on what, L-6? Voting early prompts discussion and puts a little bit of pressure on -- your reaction to that has done absolutely nothing to convince me that you're innocent.
4. I've heard of distancing, but the implication that as scum I'd make the effort to push a lynch on my own team mate when he's not picking up pressure and there's an alternate train going... I mean, I've been called stupid fairly often playing mafia, but come on.
5. At least you acknowledge that your vote looks like OMGUS.

So yeah, you're making like, the opposite of "complete sense" to me...

wouldn't the complete opposite of that be "incomplete babbling"?

Tulas point 4 is the important one and quite true. He'd be either a diabolical genius or thick beyond comprehension.

[Mockra]

Ultama, on 11 February 2015 - 02:53 PM, said:

Mockra, on 11 February 2015 - 02:12 AM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 10 February 2015 - 06:46 PM, said:

Korbas, on 10 February 2015 - 06:25 PM, said:

I signed up because I had the time, but It looks like I'm going to be railroaded on the first day.

Yeah, I wasn't aiming any of those comments at you, or really at any individual in particular.

It is interesting to note that the two main suspects today are both amongst the most vocal. Often, being vocal does mean you're more likely to get some heat; we seem to pressure people based on things they have done more than things they haven't. However, in this case the heat on Tennes for example came pretty early, before most of the posts, so I think it does suggest that putting pressure on people does make them post more...

I am voting for Tulas Shorn. This whole Lynch seemed far too logical and then I get jumped. Now at first you may think it is cause he targeted me off the gate, or Omtose did? This seems suspicious from my point of view. If I was Scum, I would sell myself as the person to be trusted which was done well. Then he is not going to be your immediate target, which makes even less sense by the information, or lack of that I gave on day one. This should make complete sense for my case.

Vote Tulas Shorn

May change based off secondary line of thought if Tulas can provide it.

So after Tulas makes a case on you, you don't answer it but instead attack Tulas.

Now I can see what you are saying so I have a question for you.

If Tennes was looking like a likely lynch candidate, then why would Tulas need to get a fellow scum lynched? It doesn't make sense. You say to look more townie? With potential finders in the game that could be easily spoiled. That'd be 2 scum down and one to go. So talk me through your logic.

Also answer Tulas' case because it's quite damning, and my vote will be going on you at the moment.

Actually from my perspective he attacked me as I am town.

So basically Tulas argument, that is damning, is on a late day lynch with what one remaining scum voted on the other guy? That make's some sense.

Ok! Gotcha.

[Tholen]

Omtose, on 11 February 2015 - 04:14 PM, said:

Apologies, the 5 year old me escaped for a second there.

The 5 year old me is the grown up in the mix.

[Mockra]

Tholen, on 11 February 2015 - 04:18 PM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 11 February 2015 - 03:13 PM, said:

To briefly respond to Mockra:

1. I'm not sure why the plain fact of me agreeing with Omtose is particularly scummy? I thought he made a good point, which was worth pursuing. What would you have me do instead, pretend I hadn't seen his post?
2. I don't see how yesterday was "too logical" by any stretch of the imagination.
3. I'm not sure why me voting you "off the gate" is bad. It's one vote, putting you on what, L-6? Voting early prompts discussion and puts a little bit of pressure on -- your reaction to that has done absolutely nothing to convince me that you're innocent.
4. I've heard of distancing, but the implication that as scum I'd make the effort to push a lynch on my own team mate when he's not picking up pressure and there's an alternate train going... I mean, I've been called stupid fairly often playing mafia, but come on.
5. At least you acknowledge that your vote looks like OMGUS.

So yeah, you're making like, the opposite of "complete sense" to me...

wouldn't the complete opposite of that be "incomplete babbling"?

Tulas point 4 is the important one and quite true. He'd be either a diabolical genius or thick beyond comprehension.

I am just going to leave it. I am clearly a Genius.

So we have Ven's theory also. I would explore that maybe as town, not sure this game. What do you guys think would be a good route to pick?

[Tholen]

I'm seeing a couple of people make an assumption here that there are 3 scum. There are 14 players, so that would be 3:11. Might I remind you that there was a 4th member of that gauntlet run?

[Mockra]

Ultama, on 11 February 2015 - 02:48 PM, said:

Pallid, on 11 February 2015 - 01:33 AM, said:

Sorry, it was really by accident.

One thing that jumps out at me is that Ultama seemed to be going the against Tennes route with all of those posts and then changed his mind at the end. Getting angry at one point, and even provides Tennes' name as scum in brackets, which really seems like he was convinced at the time, yet Ultamately votes against Korbas.

This wasn't a quick decision. There was a lot of back and forth and the only thing that has changed my mind is the scum cf.

It really wasn't a quick decision. He thinks Tulas is a Symp and then agree's with him after that exchange between the two. Go reread.