[Pallid]

 Ultama, on 10 February 2015 - 04:57 PM, said:

To add thoughts for later in the game. Town should certainly come back here when they get a scum cf. (Scum = bad (Tennes))

😛

What is this referring to?

[Tholen]

 Pallid, on 11 February 2015 - 01:18 AM, said:

And by Tellen I obv mean Tennes.

Oh ffs don't start that again.

[Rikkter]

Well well well, its rarely that a first lynch is that succesful! This game is off to a good start. Bring it on!

[Tulas Shorn]

 Omtose, on 11 February 2015 - 01:04 AM, said:

 Mockra, on 10 February 2015 - 11:36 PM, said:

 Tennes, on 09 February 2015 - 05:59 PM, said:

 Ampelas, on 09 February 2015 - 05:53 PM, said:

 Tennes, on 09 February 2015 - 05:36 PM, said:

Also first poster over here show some respect you jerk!

That is like being the first one on the short bus!

I know right! Short bus is the best bus ever when it goes BEEP BEEP you can hear it better! hahahah!

We are getting slightly off topic rather quickly here, so to bring us back to the subject at hand, namely of us being the bad guys;

Vote Korbas

for not being First

Not voting for Korbas based off this initial logic.

Vote Tennes

That was not the reason Korbas was being voted for. Are you that much of a skim reader, or were you trying to give a lame reason for not having to vote Korbas?

I think this is a good point. Particularly when you look back and see this earlier post by Mockra, which suggests he's really not keen on voting Tennes on his own merits:

 Mockra, on 10 February 2015 - 09:28 AM, said:

 Venesara, on 10 February 2015 - 03:42 AM, said:

 Tholen, on 10 February 2015 - 02:57 AM, said:

 Venesara, on 10 February 2015 - 01:37 AM, said:

The rest of the votes seem like people jumping in on the only excitement of the day. Tho, I wouldn't be surprised if the scummy good guys are already represented on the train...

 Venesara, on 10 February 2015 - 01:55 AM, said:

Not at all. I know the bad guys are town this game. It's a reversal since there are limited good guys in this scenario.

Are you trying to cover the original slip by clouding the good guy bad guy dynamic?

Hardly. Just trying to nail down one of the scummy people on the train. Plus, I won't vote for Tennes just for that reason. Seems kind of stupid to me.

This. I think this is all day one non sense.

It's also worth noting that the above post comes close on the heels of me discussing with Korbas why I'm voting him and what the case on him is...

I'm going to go ahead and:

Vote Mockra

[Pallid]

Sorry, it was really by accident.

One thing that jumps out at me is that Ultama seemed to be going the against Tennes route with all of those posts and then changed his mind at the end. Getting angry at one point, and even provides Tennes' name as scum in brackets, which really seems like he was convinced at the time, yet Ultamately votes against Korbas.

[Mockra]

 Alkend, on 11 February 2015 - 01:14 AM, said:

 Omtose, on 11 February 2015 - 01:12 AM, said:

It's perhaps more likely that at least one if not both remaining scum jumped on Korbas's train, I'd say from Ultama onwards most likely, not including myself of course

My thoughts exactly, although why do you let Pallid off the hook?

This makes more sense to me.

[Pallid]

Its not really a Korbas train as if you look the first person to take note and vote on Tennes' comment was Amp, followed by Tholen, then myself and finally Korbas.

[Mockra]

 Tulas Shorn, on 10 February 2015 - 06:46 PM, said:

 Korbas, on 10 February 2015 - 06:25 PM, said:

I signed up because I had the time, but It looks like I'm going to be railroaded on the first day.

Yeah, I wasn't aiming any of those comments at you, or really at any individual in particular.

It is interesting to note that the two main suspects today are both amongst the most vocal. Often, being vocal does mean you're more likely to get some heat; we seem to pressure people based on things they have done more than things they haven't. However, in this case the heat on Tennes for example came pretty early, before most of the posts, so I think it does suggest that putting pressure on people does make them post more...

I am voting for Tulas Shorn. This whole Lynch seemed far too logical and then I get jumped. Now at first you may think it is cause he targeted me off the gate, or Omtose did? This seems suspicious from my point of view. If I was Scum, I would sell myself as the person to be trusted which was done well. Then he is not going to be your immediate target, which makes even less sense by the information, or lack of that I gave on day one. This should make complete sense for my case.

Vote Tulas Shorn

May change based off secondary line of thought if Tulas can provide it.

[Venesara]

Kay, so in general, if we are assuming the scum know each other, the people who require the greatest scrutiny are those who jumped on the train at the bitter end (like Tholen, who was also holding out for a lynch of Tennes) and those who failed to participate (Silanah, who is mod-dead, and Alkend, who despite voting, does not really count as a voter, again bitter end and inevitability and all).

[Venesara]

Right now, Tholen bothers me the most. And here is why (in subsequent posts, with quotes!):

[bubba]

By the way.....
 3f9y5RT.gif (2.94MB)
Number of downloads: 12


I really wanted to play...

[Venesara]

First thing to recognize, Tholen was the first non-official poster, and pretty talkative thereafter. He was the second vote on Tennes, and for a weak case, did much to support the train:

 Tholen, on 10 February 2015 - 01:08 AM, said:

 Korbas, on 10 February 2015 - 12:01 AM, said:

You do have to hand to it the guy. He singlehandedly got this game moving, and clawed his way to the top of everyones vote list.

rep post game

 Tholen, on 10 February 2015 - 02:57 AM, said:

 Venesara, on 10 February 2015 - 01:37 AM, said:

The rest of the votes seem like people jumping in on the only excitement of the day. Tho, I wouldn't be surprised if the scummy good guys are already represented on the train...

 Venesara, on 10 February 2015 - 01:55 AM, said:

Not at all. I know the bad guys are town this game. It's a reversal since there are limited good guys in this scenario.

Are you trying to cover the original slip by clouding the good guy bad guy dynamic?

 Tholen, on 10 February 2015 - 10:20 PM, said:

 Korbas, on 10 February 2015 - 10:07 PM, said:

OKAY!!!! I am being whiny........just pissed, I was looking forward to a good long game.

It's no consolation but I'm still of the opinion that the Tennes comment could very easily be a slip and am staying there.

Unfortunately, the tide turned when a better candidate presented themselves from the group eagerly anticipating a quick and easy BS lynch. Despite complete stalling and death of the Tennes train, Tholen holds on (possibly because he knew the identity of the other head on the chopping block):

 Tholen, on 10 February 2015 - 11:19 PM, said:

 Path-Shaper, on 10 February 2015 - 07:31 PM, said:

It is Day 1. 5 hours 42 minutes remaining.There are 14 players left alive: Alkend, Ampelas, Korbas, Mockra, Omtose, Pallid, Rikkter, Silanah, Tennes, Tholen, Tiamatha, Tulas Shorn, Ultama, Venesara8 votes to lynch, 7 for night.6 votes Korbas: Tennes, Tulas Shorn, Venesara, Ultama, Omtose, Rikkter4 votes Tennes: Ampelas, Tholen, Pallid, KorbasPlayers not voted: Alkend, Mockra, Silanah, Tiamatha

 Tiamatha, on 10 February 2015 - 11:14 PM, said:

I'm here.Of the two lynches I prefer Korbas because he is being lynched based on his reaction to something raher than day one randoms.Vote Korbas

L-1 with almost two hours to go?

Another side note in this tragic tale of loyalty:

 Tholen, on 11 February 2015 - 12:32 AM, said:

 Mockra, on 11 February 2015 - 12:18 AM, said:

Doubt it. I have never seen Silanah and Alkend baited, but never voted.

A point to remember.

Set up for the next day? Always a red flag, however small.


Vote Tholen


Love you too Bubba

[Venesara]

I guess I should mention that the reason I brought up Tholen's talkativeness was the lull in his activity while the train on Bubba gathered steam.

[Omtose]

 Mockra, on 11 February 2015 - 02:12 AM, said:

 Tulas Shorn, on 10 February 2015 - 06:46 PM, said:

 Korbas, on 10 February 2015 - 06:25 PM, said:

I signed up because I had the time, but It looks like I'm going to be railroaded on the first day.

Yeah, I wasn't aiming any of those comments at you, or really at any individual in particular.

It is interesting to note that the two main suspects today are both amongst the most vocal. Often, being vocal does mean you're more likely to get some heat; we seem to pressure people based on things they have done more than things they haven't. However, in this case the heat on Tennes for example came pretty early, before most of the posts, so I think it does suggest that putting pressure on people does make them post more...

I am voting for Tulas Shorn. This whole Lynch seemed far too logical and then I get jumped. Now at first you may think it is cause he targeted me off the gate, or Omtose did? This seems suspicious from my point of view. If I was Scum, I would sell myself as the person to be trusted which was done well. Then he is not going to be your immediate target, which makes even less sense by the information, or lack of that I gave on day one. This should make complete sense for my case.

Vote Tulas Shorn

May change based off secondary line of thought if Tulas can provide it.

Ironically, your penultimate sentence in that paragraph appears not to make sense.

So you think that scum would sell out one of their own? Certainly, it does happen, but more often in the late game. I don't think I have ever seen it happen, or am likely to see it happen, on day 1.

[Alkend]

 Pallid, on 11 February 2015 - 01:33 AM, said:

Sorry, it was really by accident.

One thing that jumps out at me is that Ultama seemed to be going the against Tennes route with all of those posts and then changed his mind at the end. Getting angry at one point, and even provides Tennes' name as scum in brackets, which really seems like he was convinced at the time, yet Ultamately votes against Korbas.

I noticed this as well - Ultama was all "Tennes Tennes Tennes"

and then

"Guess I'll vote Korbas".

That being said, it was a ballsy move if he's scum because there was still plenty of time to push on Tennes and his was the even making vote.

[Mockra]

 Omtose, on 11 February 2015 - 03:23 AM, said:

 Mockra, on 11 February 2015 - 02:12 AM, said:

 Tulas Shorn, on 10 February 2015 - 06:46 PM, said:

 Korbas, on 10 February 2015 - 06:25 PM, said:

I signed up because I had the time, but It looks like I'm going to be railroaded on the first day.

Yeah, I wasn't aiming any of those comments at you, or really at any individual in particular.

It is interesting to note that the two main suspects today are both amongst the most vocal. Often, being vocal does mean you're more likely to get some heat; we seem to pressure people based on things they have done more than things they haven't. However, in this case the heat on Tennes for example came pretty early, before most of the posts, so I think it does suggest that putting pressure on people does make them post more...

I am voting for Tulas Shorn. This whole Lynch seemed far too logical and then I get jumped. Now at first you may think it is cause he targeted me off the gate, or Omtose did? This seems suspicious from my point of view. If I was Scum, I would sell myself as the person to be trusted which was done well. Then he is not going to be your immediate target, which makes even less sense by the information, or lack of that I gave on day one. This should make complete sense for my case.

Vote Tulas Shorn

May change based off secondary line of thought if Tulas can provide it.

Ironically, your penultimate sentence in that paragraph appears not to make sense.

So you think that scum would sell out one of their own? Certainly, it does happen, but more often in the late game. I don't think I have ever seen it happen, or am likely to see it happen, on day 1.

You would think Bubba wouldn't go down that quick on day one. Tulas Argument was right on the heels of it. That was an awfully quick and sure thing.

[Mockra]

 Alkend, on 11 February 2015 - 03:36 AM, said:

 Pallid, on 11 February 2015 - 01:33 AM, said:

Sorry, it was really by accident.

One thing that jumps out at me is that Ultama seemed to be going the against Tennes route with all of those posts and then changed his mind at the end. Getting angry at one point, and even provides Tennes' name as scum in brackets, which really seems like he was convinced at the time, yet Ultamately votes against Korbas.

I noticed this as well - Ultama was all "Tennes Tennes Tennes"

and then

"Guess I'll vote Korbas".

That being said, it was a ballsy move if he's scum because there was still plenty of time to push on Tennes and his was the even making vote.

I found myself agreeing more with Ultama on my first read earlier in the day. A matter of game philosophy sometimes and perspective of which you view the argument.

Ultama and Tulas banter: Ultama is directing that they think Tulas is Symping, by the sheer magnitude and lengthy postings. I already agree with Ultama and then Tulas jumps me day two.

[Ultama]

First of all, woo hoo. In the past I may have argued against Tulas and turned myself into a big stubborn bear. Since I had a talk with Tapper he educated me a little to know when to bend and not push so vigorously.

Back to the game, if Korbas come up town then there'd be stuff to look at as to why he got lynched over Tennes. I was saying that if we got down to 4 people left then i'd hope they'd come back to day one if say Tennes was still alive. Why did the lynch fail. Why did it go on to Korbas. Yet now that perspective is shot because Korbas come up scum.

[Ultama]

 Path-Shaper, on 10 February 2015 - 02:59 PM, said:

It is Day 1. 10 hours 14 minutes remaining.

There are 14 players left alive: Alkend, Ampelas, Korbas, Mockra, Omtose, Pallid, Rikkter, Silanah, Tennes, Tholen, Tiamatha, Tulas Shorn, Ultama, Venesara

3 votes Korbas: Tennes, Tulas Shorn, Venesara
4 votes Tennes: Ampelas, Tholen, Pallid, Korbas


Players not voted: Alkend, Mockra, Omtose, Rikkter, Silanah, Tiamatha, Ultama

I think this is were the votes were before I voted.

I didn't just make a hasty decision, I read and re read what Tulas was saying. I hate labelling someone a symp because it cannot be proved. So I looked at him, talked with him and in the end it convinced me to vote along with him.

It turned out to be the right decision. Now, the thread was going towards Tennes and solely Tennes until Tulas made his case. Without Tulas making this case then Kalam/Korbas would still be alive.

So it depends on what type of scum we think Kalam was. Was he a killer partner, was he a symp? Was he a sole killer with an inheritor?

What Tdmi is this game? Classic scum versus town?

Let me go back and look

[Tennes]

Well that is about the best result possible for us, how unfortunate for Bubba to be the first person voted on thread, and by pure chance no less! Sorry Bubba

It all comes down to whether or not the scum know each other, for now I see no reason to not go after the people defending Korbas. The best lead by far we have, and Mockra stands head and shoulders above anyone else in that regard, in my opinion at least.

I don't think quick lynches are in our best interest here, we want as much interaction each day as possible, so I won't vote yet but that is where my vote is going later on in the day unless something more compelling pops up.