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Icarium and IMass

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Posted 24 December 2014 - 03:36 PM

Are there ever any interactions between the two. Seems that a half jaghut would be hunted by the Imass too, and i dont recall them ever crossing paths and dont know if i just forgot it or if the TI were smart enough to shy away from this Jaghut.
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Posted 24 December 2014 - 07:54 PM

That's an interesting question. I think the answer might lie in another question, who did the T'lan Imass actually go after and why.
Obviously they want after the Jaghut. But they also went after other ascendants (for. ex. the Liosan familiar) or abominations (like the Frist Empire ritual screwups).
To some extent they actually seem to be acting as protectors. The real problem with Icarium is his rage and the corresponding massive collateral damage that it would cause. So do you want to provoke a nuclear detonation if your job is to "protect",
The other issue is do you have the numbers to pull it off. The T'lan Imass numbers are limited and it seems that in this case they might not actually succeed, so it would be wise to stay away.
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Posted 24 December 2014 - 08:18 PM

During the course of MBotF he doesn't, but there's always the case of the bone staircase in House of Chains. So there was, at one point in time at least, a grudge.
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Posted 24 December 2014 - 09:00 PM

i kinda always thought his reputation preceded him. no one wants to mess with a guy that single handedly tore up an azath house. and also his dad is gothos so power wise i think the imass would just stay away. considering gothos killed like 43 tlan imass and a bone caster. but like nacht said they acted kinda like guardians, and icarium was being dealt with by the old ones. why bother try to kill a guy thats basically an embodiment of chaos when mad
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Posted 24 December 2014 - 09:58 PM

View Postworry, on 24 December 2014 - 08:18 PM, said:

During the course of MBotF he doesn't, but there's always the case of the bone staircase in House of Chains. So there was, at one point in time at least, a grudge.


Was the bone staircase attributed to Icarium.
For some reason I thought Calm did that.
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Posted 24 December 2014 - 10:15 PM

Hmm. I think Icarium fashioned the staircase, but it's possible he didn't kill the Imass it's made of. And he did work with Imass (apparently) to trap Calm in the first place.
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Posted 25 December 2014 - 04:16 AM

It always had me wondering if their vow was subject to opinion. They seem to hint all the way through their goal is to wipe jaghut out completely. Then to have this legendary half jag everyone knows Never really be hunted by them. I know he would've mowed them down by the score... but if the vow is the vow than he's part of it right.
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Posted 25 December 2014 - 06:03 AM

View Posttheocean, on 25 December 2014 - 04:16 AM, said:

It always had me wondering if their vow was subject to opinion. They seem to hint all the way through their goal is to wipe jaghut out completely. Then to have this legendary half jag everyone knows Never really be hunted by them. I know he would've mowed them down by the score... but if the vow is the vow than he's part of it right.


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Posted 26 December 2014 - 02:37 PM

View PostSheve, on 25 December 2014 - 06:03 AM, said:

View Posttheocean, on 25 December 2014 - 04:16 AM, said:

It always had me wondering if their vow was subject to opinion. They seem to hint all the way through their goal is to wipe jaghut out completely. Then to have this legendary half jag everyone knows Never really be hunted by them. I know he would've mowed them down by the score... but if the vow is the vow than he's part of it right.


this is touched so very mutch on in assail.



Yea in assail it seemed like they were mowing through anything with Jaghut blood at all... so if the bit I would have been on assaill, would they have attacked him?
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Posted 26 December 2014 - 03:15 PM

In BOnehunters, Monok Ochem seems to know exactly who he is and rather than fight him, he retreats to protect the throne. I'm pretty sure, based on the House of Chains bone staircase and that interaction in Bonehunters that the Imass have deemed Icarium a little too good at destroying everything to be the cause of whatever damage he would cause.
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Posted 26 December 2014 - 04:31 PM

View PostSpoilsport Stonny, on 26 December 2014 - 03:15 PM, said:

In BOnehunters, Monok Ochem seems to know exactly who he is and rather than fight him, he retreats to protect the throne. I'm pretty sure, based on the House of Chains bone staircase and that interaction in Bonehunters that the Imass have deemed Icarium a little too good at destroying everything to be the cause of whatever damage he would cause.



Thats how it kind of seemed to me too, but that just makes me think less of their vow. Like we VOW to destroy all the jaghut, unless they are too badassed for us then they can do what they want. Ive always wondered about him and his pops, never really having a showdown with the IMASS.
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Posted 26 December 2014 - 04:47 PM

The TI Bonecasters we've come across have been somewhat pragmatic about their ethnic cleansing. A lot of those Bonecasters seem to have a different perspective than the rank and file warriors. I think some of them of course love to just kill Jaghut, but also others are more shrewd and/or discerning and have come to resent the vow and what that it represents. Some of them have 'awakened' in different ways than others. Pran Chole and Lanas Tog are very different as are Monok Ochem and Hentos Ilm. And they all seem to have different missions/objectives. They are anything but singularly driven by their desire for dead jaghut, at least as a race. Singularly, yes, but as a whole, they can be disparate.
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