[Gorefest]

Abyss, on 31 October 2014 - 02:35 AM, said:

Extended exposure gives them a healing factor thing, so they wouldn't qualify.

Oh, so it's fine for Wolverine but not for adjuncts?

[worry]

Smiles.

[theocean]

Gorefest, on 31 October 2014 - 10:12 AM, said:

theocean, on 30 October 2014 - 06:49 PM, said:

Whiskeyjack didnt either and he stood up to Kalor except for that damn leg (thanks mallet).

Harsh

All he had to do was mend that leg... but nooooo he couldnt find the time to do it to save the man they all loved.


Kalam was a monster in the bonehunters and deadhouse gates.

[Abyss]

blackzoid, on 31 October 2014 - 09:02 AM, said:

Abyss, on 31 October 2014 - 02:35 AM, said:

Extended exposure gives them a healing factor thing, so they wouldn't qualify.

Really? I must have missed that.
So Otatoral (spelling) is kidna a bit like Denul?
Odd, especially given what we know what massive concentrations of Otatoral did to all life in the TCG.

My quote fu is weak today but Lorn and/ or Tavore mention it.

Gorefest, on 31 October 2014 - 10:15 AM, said:

Abyss, on 31 October 2014 - 02:35 AM, said:

Extended exposure gives them a healing factor thing, so they wouldn't qualify.

Oh, so it's fine for Wolverine but not for adjuncts?

Yes.


Because Wolverine, that's why.

theocean, on 31 October 2014 - 12:40 PM, said:

Gorefest, on 31 October 2014 - 10:12 AM, said:

theocean, on 30 October 2014 - 06:49 PM, said:

Whiskeyjack didnt either and he stood up to Kalor except for that damn leg (thanks mallet).

Harsh

All he had to do was mend that leg... but nooooo he couldnt find the time to do it to save the man they all loved.

That was Hood's fault, not Mallet.

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Kalam was a monster in the bonehunters and deadhouse gates.

if we throw it open to any fighter at all as opposed to swords/weapons, then yeah, Kalam is a serious contender.That said, he's got Raraku, the Deadhouse and Cotillion's patronage behind him, so hard to say he's without sorcerous influence behind him.

[Gorefest]

Baudin?

[blackzoid]

What about that Heavy, whats her name, who took out several bodies of that weird tiger lizard soletaken Djem whatever in The Bonehunters?

[theocean]

blackzoid, on 31 October 2014 - 01:26 PM, said:

What about that Heavy, whats her name, who took out several bodies of that weird tiger lizard soletaken Djem whatever in The Bonehunters?

Neferious Bred?

[D'rek]

This is a great thread about why Blues or Brys might be the most technically proficient swordfighters around but would still lose to half the cast of the series

[Andorion]

D, on 31 October 2014 - 04:53 PM, said:

This is a great thread about why Blues or Brys might be the most technically proficient swordfighters around but would still lose to half the cast of the series

Blues doesnt qualify. Crimson Guard vow. This is going to sound funny, but how about Ublala Pung? He took out a Teblor God, and IIRC a full-blood FA in TCG.

[theocean]

Andorion, on 31 October 2014 - 05:05 PM, said:

D, on 31 October 2014 - 04:53 PM, said:

This is a great thread about why Blues or Brys might be the most technically proficient swordfighters around but would still lose to half the cast of the series

Blues doesnt qualify. Crimson Guard vow. This is going to sound funny, but how about Ublala Pung? He took out a Teblor God, and IIRC a full-blood FA in TCG.

Hes a beast and all but i think someone who is smart would say "hey whats that over there, a chicken??" and he would turn around and get stabbed in the back.

Id love to see Brys and a seguleh duel. He seems almost like them in his precision of cuts against Rhulad. To basically be able to incapacitate him without killing him was awesome. Then a victory drink....

[Syphonics]

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theocean, on 31 October 2014 - 02:41 PM, said:

blackzoid, on 31 October 2014 - 01:26 PM, said:

What about that Heavy, whats her name, who took out several bodies of that weird tiger lizard soletaken Djem whatever in The Bonehunters?

Neferious Bred?

I believe it was Masan Gilani. I wouldn't really count her though, remember a big theme throughout the books is a long forgotten power (Raest, Dejim Nebrahl) coming back, then finding out that they're not hot shit in a champagne glass, but really cold diarrhea in a dixie cup. Dejim was also near starvation at this point I think.




This topic is difficult to debate, since its near impossible to determine what counts as no warren/ascendency/powers for this purpose. Heres my list of people that we can 100% discount as it has been stated they have some form of power. Icarium, Karsa, Dassem Ultor, Anomander Rake. Whiskeyjack was being thrown around because of the Azath in Malaz City, but to my knowledge we only know for a fact that it affects his longevity, not fighting ability. Same for Crimson Guard, it makes them have longer lives and tougher to hurt, but is it stated that it increases their strength/speed/reaction time? If not then a better skilled fighter would still win, it would just take longer.




My top fighters not from the above list would be Yedan Derryg, Brys Beddict, Spinnock Durav, the best of the Crimson Guard (not sure who wins out here, probably Blues, Skinner, or maybe K'azz), Kallor. Maybe throw Kalam Mekhar in there too, but I'm not sure how well he'd do in a 1v1 duel. He's always seemed to me as an amazing assassin, and a strong fighter, but I wouldn't count him among the top fighters.

[Andorion]

Syphonics, on 08 November 2014 - 12:29 AM, said:

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theocean, on 31 October 2014 - 02:41 PM, said:

blackzoid, on 31 October 2014 - 01:26 PM, said:

What about that Heavy, whats her name, who took out several bodies of that weird tiger lizard soletaken Djem whatever in The Bonehunters?

Neferious Bred?

I believe it was Masan Gilani. I wouldn't really count her though, remember a big theme throughout the books is a long forgotten power (Raest, Dejim Nebrahl) coming back, then finding out that they're not hot shit in a champagne glass, but really cold diarrhea in a dixie cup. Dejim was also near starvation at this point I think.




This topic is difficult to debate, since its near impossible to determine what counts as no warren/ascendency/powers for this purpose. Heres my list of people that we can 100% discount as it has been stated they have some form of power. Icarium, Karsa, Dassem Ultor, Anomander Rake. Whiskeyjack was being thrown around because of the Azath in Malaz City, but to my knowledge we only know for a fact that it affects his longevity, not fighting ability. Same for Crimson Guard, it makes them have longer lives and tougher to hurt, but is it stated that it increases their strength/speed/reaction time? If not then a better skilled fighter would still win, it would just take longer.




My top fighters not from the above list would be Yedan Derryg, Brys Beddict, Spinnock Durav, the best of the Crimson Guard (not sure who wins out here, probably Blues, Skinner, or maybe K'azz), Kallor. Maybe throw Kalam Mekhar in there too, but I'm not sure how well he'd do in a 1v1 duel. He's always seemed to me as an amazing assassin, and a strong fighter, but I wouldn't count him among the top fighters.

Maybe the CG vow only gives them longevity, but even then it makes them extremely tough to kill. A wound that would have killed most people would probably mildly inconvenience a CG. Yedan Derryg is a good point, but since he was part of the Shake Pantheon does that give him some extra power?

[Syphonics]

Andorion, on 08 November 2014 - 02:01 AM, said:

Syphonics, on 08 November 2014 - 12:29 AM, said:

I

theocean, on 31 October 2014 - 02:41 PM, said:

blackzoid, on 31 October 2014 - 01:26 PM, said:

What about that Heavy, whats her name, who took out several bodies of that weird tiger lizard soletaken Djem whatever in The Bonehunters?

Neferious Bred?

I believe it was Masan Gilani. I wouldn't really count her though, remember a big theme throughout the books is a long forgotten power (Raest, Dejim Nebrahl) coming back, then finding out that they're not hot shit in a champagne glass, but really cold diarrhea in a dixie cup. Dejim was also near starvation at this point I think.




This topic is difficult to debate, since its near impossible to determine what counts as no warren/ascendency/powers for this purpose. Heres my list of people that we can 100% discount as it has been stated they have some form of power. Icarium, Karsa, Dassem Ultor, Anomander Rake. Whiskeyjack was being thrown around because of the Azath in Malaz City, but to my knowledge we only know for a fact that it affects his longevity, not fighting ability. Same for Crimson Guard, it makes them have longer lives and tougher to hurt, but is it stated that it increases their strength/speed/reaction time? If not then a better skilled fighter would still win, it would just take longer.




My top fighters not from the above list would be Yedan Derryg, Brys Beddict, Spinnock Durav, the best of the Crimson Guard (not sure who wins out here, probably Blues, Skinner, or maybe K'azz), Kallor. Maybe throw Kalam Mekhar in there too, but I'm not sure how well he'd do in a 1v1 duel. He's always seemed to me as an amazing assassin, and a strong fighter, but I wouldn't count him among the top fighters.

Maybe the CG vow only gives them longevity, but even then it makes them extremely tough to kill. A wound that would have killed most people would probably mildly inconvenience a CG. Yedan Derryg is a good point, but since he was part of the Shake Pantheon does that give him some extra power?

That is true about the CG, it does make them extremely tough to kill. However, in a 1v1 duel situation, that doesn't add anything to the fighters skill. To test their skill against each other, I'm assuming that it's just a 1v1 fight in a large room/open area, where the only thing that affects who wins is that persons skill. Assuming Brys Beddict is the better fighter, then whether he was fighting a normal human or a CG who took the vow, he would still win, it would just take longer to kill the CG.


As for Yedan, it's the same thing. We could debate whether or not being part of the Shake Pantheon actually gives him powers, and then after determining that we'd launch into a whole new debate about whether those powers actually help him in a 1v1 fight. For them to do so, I'd imagine those powers would do something like increase his strength, speed, reaction time, etc. Maybe give him some precog type ability like spidey sense. My personal opinion on Yedan is that being the Watch is a hereditary title thats passed down, with no powers coming from it. His badassery, which I consider putting him on the verge or ascendancy, is all from him.

And I've just realized who I've been forgetting: first of all, Leoman of the Flails. He doesn't really have as many feats as the rest of the fighters in this thread, but I remember him being decently skilled in MBoTF, and ICE's books reinforced that. I'm not sure if I'd put him in front of Brys, or Spinnock, but I think due to his unique weapon choice that could possibly give him an advantage.

Second of all: Corabb. Would his whole deal with luck (I was never quite sure on this, does he have Oponns favor or something?) count as a magical enhancement to his fighting?

Finally, it's hard to judge any soldier in this type of contest. Some, like Corabb or Skulldeath (I'm not sure if Skulldeath is the one I'm thinking of, it's the guy whos a prince and thinks Hellian is a princess), are really great fighters in their context, but we've only seen them in squad combat. All the others that have been brought up were fighters on their own. If this series has shown me anything, it's that fighting as a soldier as part of a cohesive unit is completely different from a one on one fight.

I think we might need separate categories in this, people we know aren't influenced by magic at all in their fighting (Spinnock, Brys, Seguleh), and people who we either think they have a connection to magic (Yedan) or we know they have a connection to magic but we're not sure it's influencing their fighting (Anomander, any of the CG).

[Abyss]

Crimson Guard Avowed don't count.The vow makes them faster, stronger and gives them healing, so in any fight they are going to tire slower and suffer less from injuries than any non-aspect end or invested fighter. Iron Bars had his chest open and a mage's hands around his heart and he didn't die. Black the Elder took a shipping chain to the chest. Blues is a high mage. No contenders for this title there.
Skulldeath was a solid fighter but more than one Bonehunter mentions that he 's more form than fight. It's probably bragging more than real measure of skill, but even so, I wouldn't place him over pre-death Brys.

[Andorion]

If you give Fiddler the correct munitions, he could take out absolutely anybody.

[Andorion]

Syphonics, on 08 November 2014 - 04:02 AM, said:

Andorion, on 08 November 2014 - 02:01 AM, said:

Syphonics, on 08 November 2014 - 12:29 AM, said:

I

theocean, on 31 October 2014 - 02:41 PM, said:

blackzoid, on 31 October 2014 - 01:26 PM, said:

What about that Heavy, whats her name, who took out several bodies of that weird tiger lizard soletaken Djem whatever in The Bonehunters?

Neferious Bred?

I believe it was Masan Gilani. I wouldn't really count her though, remember a big theme throughout the books is a long forgotten power (Raest, Dejim Nebrahl) coming back, then finding out that they're not hot shit in a champagne glass, but really cold diarrhea in a dixie cup. Dejim was also near starvation at this point I think.




This topic is difficult to debate, since its near impossible to determine what counts as no warren/ascendency/powers for this purpose. Heres my list of people that we can 100% discount as it has been stated they have some form of power. Icarium, Karsa, Dassem Ultor, Anomander Rake. Whiskeyjack was being thrown around because of the Azath in Malaz City, but to my knowledge we only know for a fact that it affects his longevity, not fighting ability. Same for Crimson Guard, it makes them have longer lives and tougher to hurt, but is it stated that it increases their strength/speed/reaction time? If not then a better skilled fighter would still win, it would just take longer.




My top fighters not from the above list would be Yedan Derryg, Brys Beddict, Spinnock Durav, the best of the Crimson Guard (not sure who wins out here, probably Blues, Skinner, or maybe K'azz), Kallor. Maybe throw Kalam Mekhar in there too, but I'm not sure how well he'd do in a 1v1 duel. He's always seemed to me as an amazing assassin, and a strong fighter, but I wouldn't count him among the top fighters.

Maybe the CG vow only gives them longevity, but even then it makes them extremely tough to kill. A wound that would have killed most people would probably mildly inconvenience a CG. Yedan Derryg is a good point, but since he was part of the Shake Pantheon does that give him some extra power?

That is true about the CG, it does make them extremely tough to kill. However, in a 1v1 duel situation, that doesn't add anything to the fighters skill. To test their skill against each other, I'm assuming that it's just a 1v1 fight in a large room/open area, where the only thing that affects who wins is that persons skill. Assuming Brys Beddict is the better fighter, then whether he was fighting a normal human or a CG who took the vow, he would still win, it would just take longer to kill the CG.


As for Yedan, it's the same thing. We could debate whether or not being part of the Shake Pantheon actually gives him powers, and then after determining that we'd launch into a whole new debate about whether those powers actually help him in a 1v1 fight. For them to do so, I'd imagine those powers would do something like increase his strength, speed, reaction time, etc. Maybe give him some precog type ability like spidey sense. My personal opinion on Yedan is that being the Watch is a hereditary title thats passed down, with no powers coming from it. His badassery, which I consider putting him on the verge or ascendancy, is all from him.

And I've just realized who I've been forgetting: first of all, Leoman of the Flails. He doesn't really have as many feats as the rest of the fighters in this thread, but I remember him being decently skilled in MBoTF, and ICE's books reinforced that. I'm not sure if I'd put him in front of Brys, or Spinnock, but I think due to his unique weapon choice that could possibly give him an advantage.

Second of all: Corabb. Would his whole deal with luck (I was never quite sure on this, does he have Oponns favor or something?) count as a magical enhancement to his fighting?

Finally, it's hard to judge any soldier in this type of contest. Some, like Corabb or Skulldeath (I'm not sure if Skulldeath is the one I'm thinking of, it's the guy whos a prince and thinks Hellian is a princess), are really great fighters in their context, but we've only seen them in squad combat. All the others that have been brought up were fighters on their own. If this series has shown me anything, it's that fighting as a soldier as part of a cohesive unit is completely different from a one on one fight.

I think we might need separate categories in this, people we know aren't influenced by magic at all in their fighting (Spinnock, Brys, Seguleh), and people who we either think they have a connection to magic (Yedan) or we know they have a connection to magic but we're not sure it's influencing their fighting (Anomander, any of the CG).

Seperate categories reminded me. There was this huge thread about strongest fighters or something and ultimately people started ranking them after dividing them by type. Its buried deep somewhere in the General Book Topics subforum.