[QuickTidal]

Illuyankas, on 29 October 2014 - 02:59 PM, said:

Looks like proof that Loki's scepter is a gem, and also I forget where the sixth one goes on the glove so either it's there or he's missing one dun dun dunnnnnnn

Yeah I think that it looks like Loki's scepter is one...which I hadn't expected...so they only need to debut two more now.
The sixth gem traditionally goes outside the lower thumb knuckle...so perhaps we just can't see it (there appears to be a dude's head in the way of where it would sit)?

But the existing gems are all present above the fingers (if we include the green soul gem which I'm guessing is the next one dealt with in probably STRANGE?)

This post has been edited by QuickTidal: 29 October 2014 - 03:05 PM

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[WinterPhoenix]

So if that's to be believed we only need Time and Soul to be revealed now, I'm prepared to stake a guess that Soul will be Strange or GotG 2 and Time will be GotG 2 or Captain Marvel. Honestly though Loki's sceptre as a gem really doesn't make any sense, especially considering it is the Soul Gem that allows the user to control other people :/

[Coco with marshmallows]

Are we 100% certain that Captain America: Civil War will be a version of the Civil War plotline from the comics?

Rather like Ragnarok, it *could* just be a name they decided to go with because it sounds impressive.

(though i've a suspicion Ragnarok will actually see Asgard getting levelled by Thanos to set up his bad assedness before Infinity War)

[Illuyankas]

Hopefully not the comic Civil War, because the comic Civil War was a clusterfuck of stupid unworkable contradictory retconning bad plot, characterisation and dialogue. Plus it's hard to have a civil war when each side's going to have single digit ranks.

[Coco with marshmallows]

^ pretty much what i'm thinking - Civil War when there are only about 10 or so superheroes kicking about is pretty lacklustre

[WinterPhoenix]

Yeah I am assuming they will have to make some radical changes to the comic version of the story, to support the dramatically reduced scale we have in the MCU as compared to the comics. I'm quite certain it will have some connection to the comics storyline of the same name, however. I'm actually less certain about Ragnarok, which could simply be a cool viking name lol

[Illuyankas]

In the Civil War comic line, Ragnarok was the name of the clone of Thor (who was dead then) that was mindless and accidentally killed a superhero (with the subtle title of Black Goliath), except he wasn't cloned by a supervillain but instead by Reed Richards and ordered into battle by Tony Stark, both on the pro-registration side. They also ran an interdimensional prison where anti-reg heroes were imprisoned without trial, and also forced criminals to fight for them with nanotech. This was while they were claiming both sides were equally right and wrong.

You really don't want a comic Civil War movie.

[worry]

Marvel Cards were a wonderful wonderful money pit and they should do another series just for kicks.

[Studlock]

I know there was definitely Ragnarok storyline in the comics in the traditionally sense (and definitely alluded to more than once). All the gods of Asgard fighting in the last battle. One around the time Avengers Dissemble was happening I believe. So I assume they're building off that and not the Thor Clone. Hopefully.

[Illuyankas]

Well, Thor was dead because Ragnarok happened. He got better. Comics!

[amphibian]

Very Eriksonian of them.

[Illuyankas]

Also, Civil War was the event in which Peter Parker revealed he was Spiderman, to persuade heroes to register and to show that nothing bad would happen if people knew your real identity, upon which his aunt May was immediately shot by a sniper aiming for Peter and he then sold his marriage to the devil* to heal her, which retroactively removed all memory of his real identity from the world. This was done because the guy in charge of Marvel felt people couldn't identify with a successful professional in a happy marriage, so made him a sad single man living in his aunt's house like it was back when the boss was a kid. Civil War is a bad story and lead to bad things.



*I'm seriously not joking about this, the Marvel devil is called Mephisto and through him Spiderman literally swapped his entire marriage, the decades of joy and fulfillment, in order to give his aunt another few years of life before she died of natural causes rather than bullet causes. (this is after her ghost had explicitly told him that she was happy in Heaven and that he should move on) CIVIL WAR IS BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD

[Studlock]

I actually didn't mind the ideas around the Civil War, as I've spent far to much time wondering about the legal ramifications for individuals who are basically walk mass weapons of destruction (personally I think the USA would treat such individuals as a continuation of the 2nd Amendment), but the execution was horrendous. Tony Stark and Reed Richards decided to become authoritarian scienocratics who kill super heroes and clone gods without their permission (though the fallout of that was awesome). One side was obviously not right despite what every writer at Marvel at the time said, and I feel like that took a lot of the fun out it.

I think if they kept as the story Bendis originally wrote which was a simple Shield vs Superhero story it would have been fine.

[QuickTidal]

I really think the CIVIL WAR movie is merely going to illusttrate the line that is drawn between registration (Cap) and Non-registration (Iron Man) and the sides that are subsequently drawn up...and the fight that happens on the other side of that. It would be madness to do the whole real full CIVIL WAR storyline...but I'd be excited to see Cap VS Tony.

[WinterPhoenix]

QuickTidal, on 30 October 2014 - 11:11 AM, said:

I really think the CIVIL WAR movie is merely going to illusttrate the line that is drawn between registration (Cap) and Non-registration (Iron Man) and the sides that are subsequently drawn up...and the fight that happens on the other side of that. It would be madness to do the whole real full CIVIL WAR storyline...but I'd be excited to see Cap VS Tony.

Yeah when I said it would have some connection to the comics Civil War, I meant exactly what QuickTidal says here, it would be utterly insane to try to flesh out the full Civil War story on film, especially right smack bang in the middle of the Infinity War angle they have been building for years at this point.

I'm less certain that the Ragnarok film will have anything to do with the comics, however. It really could just be them using what is an undeniably cool and undeniably Norse word as a hook for the film.

I also agree with the people who have pointed out that one side (pro-reg) in the Civil War story were CLEARLY in the wrong, because there simply isn't a logical argument to the contrary. It really annoyed me as well, because Iron Man is a billion times cooler than Cap

[Primateus]

Illuyankas, on 30 October 2014 - 01:36 AM, said:

Well, Thor was dead because Ragnarok happened. He got better. Comics!

Well, y'know, he didn't actually die, he just kinda....faded away? So he didn't actually have to "get better" He, as I understood the story, just had to decide to come back which he chose to do only with a little nudging from Blake.

[blackzoid]

I guess the Winter soldier and Hydra (the original Serpant title thingie?) will continue to feature in Civil War. So it may not be like the comics.
Maybe the Shield "Civil War" in the wake of the Hydra reveal will be what the film is somewhat about. Aftermath maybe. Or maybe its an outcome to what will happen in Age of Ultron and the seeds of the "Civil War" are laid there.

Or maybe Thanos mind controls people to fight each other. Though I would find that a letdown myself

[Coco with marshmallows]

blackzoid, on 30 October 2014 - 10:10 PM, said:

Maybe the Shield "Civil War" in the wake of the Hydra reveal will be what the film is somewhat about. Aftermath maybe.

Nah, they're covering that in Agents of Shield.

Quite well I should add.

[blackzoid]

Found a list of all superhero film thingies coming:
That is a lot more DVDs I will have to buy....
(Is Fox going to interconnect the new F4 films with X-men?)


May 2015 – Avengers (2): Age of Ultron (Marvel)
July 2015 – Ant-Man (Marvel)
August 2015 – The Fantastic Four (Fox)
February 2016 - Deadpool (Fox)
March 2016 – Batman v Superman (DC)
May 2016 – Captain America (3): Civil War (Marvel)
May 2016 – X-Men: Apocalypse (Fox)
August 2016 – Suicide Squad (DC)
November 2016 – Dr. Strange (Marvel)
November 2016 – The Sinister Six (Sony)
March 2017 – Another Wolverine sequel (Fox)
May 2017 – Guardians of the Galaxy 2 (Marvel)
June 2017 – Wonder Woman (DC)
June 2017 – Fantastic Four 2 (Fox)
August 2017 – Thor (3): Ragnarok (Marvel)
November 2017 - Justice League (DC)
November 2017 – Black Panther (Marvel)
March 2018 – The Flash (DC)
May 2018 – Avengers (3): Infinity War Part 1 (Marvel)
July 2018 – Captain Marvel (Marvel)
July 2018 – Aquaman (DC)
November 2018 – Inhumans (Marvel)
May 2019 – Avengers (3): Infinity War Part 2 (Marvel)
April 2019 – Shazam (DC)
June 2019 – Justice League 2 (DC)
April 2020 – Cyborg (DC)
June 2020 – Green Lantern (DC)

EDIT: put in Deadpool based on Champs info below.

This post has been edited by blackzoid: 31 October 2014 - 12:16 PM