[Nimander Golit]

Dude, saying 'if I was a killer than I would not have said this specific post' is a lame argument lol. Of course you could have said that as a killer! And then used it just like you are now in an attempt to show your inno qualities.

You only stated what I'm sure we all kept in mind in one form or another.


As for the 'if I wanted to vote Iparth, then I would have' argument, your delay is weakened in my eyes by your recent post, which raised alarm bells for me and gave me the niggling suspicion that you always intended to vote on whoever already had a vote on them - with the 'delay' simply a move to help cement your own 'inno' status.

I'm also more wary because of Iparth's no-show, rather than it helping to cement a vote on them. I think to myself, would a killer really disappear from the thread at this point in the game? Of course it could also be an unavoidable RL disappearance.

[Bendal Home]

Nimander Golit, on 24 September 2014 - 09:19 AM, said:

Dude, saying 'if I was a killer than I would not have said this specific post' is a lame argument lol. Of course you could have said that as a killer! And then used it just like you are now in an attempt to show your inno qualities.

You only stated what I'm sure we all kept in mind in one form or another.


As for the 'if I wanted to vote Iparth, then I would have' argument, your delay is weakened in my eyes by your recent post, which raised alarm bells for me and gave me the niggling suspicion that you always intended to vote on whoever already had a vote on them - with the 'delay' simply a move to help cement your own 'inno' status.

I'm also more wary because of Iparth's no-show, rather than it helping to cement a vote on them. I think to myself, would a killer really disappear from the thread at this point in the game? Of course it could also be an unavoidable RL disappearance.

You are being so stupid right now, you don't even realize it.

Come on, at this point a killer would have gone with any lynch not being his. This risk-benefit analysis of diverting away from such a lynch is not worth it for a killer, it just isn't. Let me explain:

Let's assume I'm the killer (I'm not):

There's four of us left, one being nominated for a lynch. Diverting away from that lynch would leave three other candidates for a lynch, one of which is me. That's a huge risk to take for a killer with hardly any benefits, other then some WIFOM, inno cementing argument that has almost a zero chance of succeeding. That's a really, really bad trade-off.

Moreover, I came already up as suspicious in the conversation you and Hentos were having. Why on earth would I risk diverting away from Iparth if the logical second lynch would be me? Again, the lynch not happening for Iparth would be the worst case scenario for me if I were the killer, as it would almost definitely see me lynched.

The only one who has a benefit of questing the Iparth case is an IN that tries to prevent another Emurlahn debacle with an IN being lynched without being heard.

I agree with you that it's not a good thing to lynch Iparth now for his absence, that's why did not put my vote down! Can you read? Or do you just ignore that fact to incriminate anyone but yourself?

Man, if you're IN, you're really begin stupid right now. If you lynch me, you're probably next as you've just put in motion the lynch of one the last IN in the game.

[Bendal Home]

Oh, and one more thing, as I got to run (appointment).

What's the best play for a killer right now? Huh?

Getting people to sympathize with him, forming temporary coalitions to get a majority to lynch someone else. That what I was suspicious of. Remember that post I did, the one quoted above, urging both you, NG, and Hentos to go back and check if you were really interested in forming that temporary in-thread allegiance? It's because a killer needs to get people on his side!

What did I do? I attacked every single person during this day? Why on earth would I do that if I were the killer? Why? It does not make sense, the trade-off is just too f-- bad.

Right now I'm really questioning your IN status NG, you've been cunning this came, how come you would miss this? Really?

I'm not sure if I'll make it back EoD, so to at least allow a lynch,

Vote NG


If you guys decide to lynch and I'm dead before I can add this: Please, after reviewing my CF, lynch that bastard NG, if it's not too late. (I really hope he does not have a NK this night)

[Nimander Golit]

Bendal Home, on 24 September 2014 - 09:50 AM, said:

You are being so stupid right now, you don't even realize it.

I'm being stupid for questioning?

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Come on, at this point a killer would have gone with any lynch not being his. This risk-benefit analysis of diverting away from such a lynch is not worth it for a killer, it just isn't. Let me explain:

Let's assume I'm the killer (I'm not):

There's four of us left, one being nominated for a lynch. Diverting away from that lynch would leave three other candidates for a lynch, one of which is me. That's a huge risk to take for a killer with hardly any benefits, other then some WIFOM, inno cementing argument that has almost a zero chance of succeeding. That's a really, really bad trade-off.

Simply because I disagree with you does not suddenly make me stupid. And yes, I do disagree with you on this point. I think there is clear benefit for a killer to play the way you are, which you yourself have just stated in your 'other than' bit of the sentence above - shouting 'stupid!' in a bid to dismiss that does not make it so.

Indeed, here you are supposedly saying how you're encouraging being antagonistic and pushing every which way to see what reactions you get, but the very moment it happens to you and lo, it's stupid, why are you doing that, why would it possibly be me, that makes no sense, blah blah blah. Hypocrite much?

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Moreover, I came already up as suspicious in the conversation you and Hentos were having. Why on earth would I risk diverting away from Iparth if the logical second lynch would be me? Again, the lynch not happening for Iparth would be the worst case scenario for me if I were the killer, as it would almost definitely see me lynched.

The only one who has a benefit of questing the Iparth case is an IN that tries to prevent another Emurlahn debacle with an IN being lynched without being heard.

I agree with you that it's not a good thing to lynch Iparth now for his absence, that's why did not put my vote down! Can you read? Or do you just ignore that fact to incriminate anyone but yourself?

Man, if you're IN, you're really begin stupid right now. If you lynch me, you're probably next as you've just put in motion the lynch of one the last IN in the game.

That's easy. You'd risk it exactly BECAUSE you've already come up as suspicious. Say that we lynch Iparth, and unfortunately they turn out to be another IN. You certainly seem to assume here that you would be the natural next target (interesting that already assumes that there would be no kill this night - yes, I know it might be every other night but then there could be other circumstances at play too). So what you do now, during this day, is essentially try to 'redeem' your perceived reputation.

I haven't put in motion anything yet. Do you see a vote? I'm doing for you what you've been doing for others, and you're blowing your top about it.

[Nimander Golit]

Bendal Home, on 24 September 2014 - 10:09 AM, said:

Oh, and one more thing, as I got to run (appointment).

What's the best play for a killer right now? Huh?

Getting people to sympathize with him, forming temporary coalitions to get a majority to lynch someone else. That what I was suspicious of. Remember that post I did, the one quoted above, urging both you, NG, and Hentos to go back and check if you were really interested in forming that temporary in-thread allegiance? It's because a killer needs to get people on his side!

What did I do? I attacked every single person during this day? Why on earth would I do that if I were the killer? Why? It does not make sense, the trade-off is just too f-- bad.

Right now I'm really questioning your IN status NG, you've been cunning this came, how come you would miss this? Really?

I'm not sure if I'll make it back EoD, so to at least allow a lynch,

Vote NG


If you guys decide to lynch and I'm dead before I can add this: Please, after reviewing my CF, lynch that bastard NG, if it's not too late. (I really hope he does not have a NK this night)

What you've been doing is trying (cack-handedly, whether it's genuine or not) to play the good townie. Look at me! Asking questions! Being suspicious! Doubting!

What I now find really odd is when someone does the same for you, you go all "What!? How dare you?! I'm a paragon!"

And now even a vote on me. For doing exactly the same kind of probing of you that you've been doing at others. Cracking much? I tell you, I'm actually surprised at this reaction.

[Bendal Home]

posting this from my phone is not capable of much so don't expect a long post. I might have been a little jumpy, but I still stand by the principle of what I've said: the risk-benefit analysis for me would be horendous if I were the killer. By stating it this boldly, I hope people realize that. If we're both IN, I expect the real killer to be laughing his ass off right now. So far, I've never did anything against anyone that was suspected to be IN, I always went for people doing stuff that was not IN, like distancing, signaling, suspected of having a role, cult hunting.

[Hentos Ilm]

Back, reading up

[Hentos Ilm]

Ok first, Im not up for any alliances. I threw out questions for anyone to answer and NG just happened to be around to throw ideas around on thread. I honestly dont have a damn clue as to which one of you 3 is the killer. IF it is Iparth he has simply disappeared, leaving you two on thread being pretty hostile. Which actually is making me think it is one of you. Overall BH has thrown alot of votes around this game. I cant quite tell if that is to actually pressure people or to make the statement of "look at me being the good townie making people talk." NG I still dont have a great read on, I need to look back at his posts some more. I am going to do a quick read through of the thread and try to decide between you two

[Hentos Ilm]

OK Ive seen enough. Early on in the game NG doesnt do much besides agreeing with and restating other arguments. While BH is actually pushing people around and trying to throw some helpful information around on thread. Then NG "thinks" about making a distancing case on Iparth and Fand after Meanas suggests it. This case never materializes. Then later that same day after the connection has been discussed moves to wanting to vote Jalan. Because of this

Nimander Golit, on 17 September 2014 - 10:15 AM, said:

As much as I hate to leave Fanderay and his presumably ever-increasing cult, I think we have to take out Jalan today if his NK is active.


Unless, Jalan, you can be persuaded to use that NK against a target of common consensus? And if you do, then we'd leave you alone the next day, as you presumably don't have your NK active then?


Or we just don't take the risk and lynch them now.

Why is an NK worse than the cult? As BH pointed out to me an NK simply reduces IN numbers where cult will reduce IN number and increase the cults numbers. This switch in thinking doesnt make much sense. In the end though with the vote tied he ends up voting Fand since that is where the thread is moving too. NG was the 1st person to suggest the external force of the Germans/Austrians. Then after the Jalan modkill NG comes screaming out of the gate with post after post and makes a case on DN which the thread follows. This is enough for me I think.

Vote NG

Unless Iparth is a no show, in which case we will all have to move votes to him

[Nimander Golit]

Hentos Ilm, on 24 September 2014 - 11:39 AM, said:

OK Ive seen enough. Early on in the game NG doesnt do much besides agreeing with and restating other arguments. While BH is actually pushing people around and trying to throw some helpful information around on thread. Then NG "thinks" about making a distancing case on Iparth and Fand after Meanas suggests it. This case never materializes. Then later that same day after the connection has been discussed moves to wanting to vote Jalan. Because of this

Nimander Golit, on 17 September 2014 - 10:15 AM, said:

As much as I hate to leave Fanderay and his presumably ever-increasing cult, I think we have to take out Jalan today if his NK is active.


Unless, Jalan, you can be persuaded to use that NK against a target of common consensus? And if you do, then we'd leave you alone the next day, as you presumably don't have your NK active then?


Or we just don't take the risk and lynch them now.

Why is an NK worse than the cult? As BH pointed out to me an NK simply reduces IN numbers where cult will reduce IN number and increase the cults numbers. This switch in thinking doesnt make much sense. In the end though with the vote tied he ends up voting Fand since that is where the thread is moving too. NG was the 1st person to suggest the external force of the Germans/Austrians. Then after the Jalan modkill NG comes screaming out of the gate with post after post and makes a case on DN which the thread follows. This is enough for me I think.

Vote NG

Unless Iparth is a no show, in which case we will all have to move votes to him

So supposed coasting is suspicious and then supposed not coasting is suspicious after too? lol. When do you think I was recruited then? Where's that cutoff line for you (spoiler: there isn't one)?

I'm the first person to suggest the Germans? Show me this. Are you suggesting I'm German? Then why would I want to go after Jalan?!!!

As for the Jalan/Fanderay post, that's super easy.


You're forgetting that Fanderay while cult, was NOT the recruiter. Thus killing him does not stop the cult, whilst lynching Jalan would have dented another faction's abilities drastically.


I strongly suggest you re-think these things. I won't be voting for myself, by the way, because I'm not just going to hand over the victory to someone else (Bendal, it seems now, in all likelihood). Though Iparth's absence (or reappearance) will probably end up doing that anyway.

[Nimander Golit]

And also let's remember that Dejim turned out not to be IN, so yeah, good job by me making a case on them.

Vote Bendal Home


And I won't be last minute switching to Iparth either, as that would be the wrong move.

[Path-Shaper]

]It is day 9. 5 hours remaining.

2 votes Nimander Golit: Bendal Home, Hentos Ilm
1 vote Bendal Home: Nimander Golit


Not voted: Iparth Irule


-gnaw

[Hentos Ilm]

Nimander Golit, on 24 September 2014 - 11:53 AM, said:

So supposed coasting is suspicious and then supposed not coasting is suspicious after too? lol. When do you think I was recruited then? Where's that cutoff line for you (spoiler: there isn't one)?

I'm the first person to suggest the Germans? Show me this. Are you suggesting I'm German? Then why would I want to go after Jalan?!!!

As for the Jalan/Fanderay post, that's super easy.


You're forgetting that Fanderay while cult, was NOT the recruiter. Thus killing him does not stop the cult, whilst lynching Jalan would have dented another faction's abilities drastically.


I strongly suggest you re-think these things. I won't be voting for myself, by the way, because I'm not just going to hand over the victory to someone else (Bendal, it seems now, in all likelihood). Though Iparth's absence (or reappearance) will probably end up doing that anyway.

It was the change that intrigued me. As more than one person noted earlier, including yourself, a change in play style should be a decent indicator. I didnt say you were the first person to suggest Germans, I was saying you were the first person to suggest the Germans as an outside force. We hadnt seen any indication of this up to that point. And to answer your post below this one, no DN was not part of the IN.

[Nimander Golit]

Hentos Ilm, on 24 September 2014 - 12:35 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 24 September 2014 - 11:53 AM, said:

So supposed coasting is suspicious and then supposed not coasting is suspicious after too? lol. When do you think I was recruited then? Where's that cutoff line for you (spoiler: there isn't one)?

I'm the first person to suggest the Germans? Show me this. Are you suggesting I'm German? Then why would I want to go after Jalan?!!!

As for the Jalan/Fanderay post, that's super easy.


You're forgetting that Fanderay while cult, was NOT the recruiter. Thus killing him does not stop the cult, whilst lynching Jalan would have dented another faction's abilities drastically.


I strongly suggest you re-think these things. I won't be voting for myself, by the way, because I'm not just going to hand over the victory to someone else (Bendal, it seems now, in all likelihood). Though Iparth's absence (or reappearance) will probably end up doing that anyway.

It was the change that intrigued me. As more than one person noted earlier, including yourself, a change in play style should be a decent indicator. I didnt say you were the first person to suggest Germans, I was saying you were the first person to suggest the Germans as an outside force. We hadnt seen any indication of this up to that point. And to answer your post below this one, no DN was not part of the IN.

Ah ha. So, in your thinking, I went from IN - that is, RI - who was quiet and hiding among the reeds, to someone recruited - that is, roled in some form - and suddenly became much more brash and open?


Is it opposite day or something?

This is of course notwithstanding that I would argue that I've been 'out there' the entire game. No, I didn't go around pointing fingers at everyone, but when has that ever been useful, especially in a faction game? I made a case on the one guy I felt I was kore certain was not on my side. And lo, they weren't. Now I'm sticking with Bendal, for the same reason.


Also, the German thing as an outside force? Are you serious? I think even Bendal would agree with me that that was pretty apparent. And again, I have to ask, if you're suggesting as you seem to be that I knew something more about the Germans, why the hell would I want Jalan lynched?!

[Hentos Ilm]

Nimander Golit, on 24 September 2014 - 12:44 PM, said:

Ah ha. So, in your thinking, I went from IN - that is, RI - who was quiet and hiding among the reeds, to someone recruited - that is, roled in some form - and suddenly became much more brash and open?


Is it opposite day or something?

This is of course notwithstanding that I would argue that I've been 'out there' the entire game. No, I didn't go around pointing fingers at everyone, but when has that ever been useful, especially in a faction game? I made a case on the one guy I felt I was kore certain was not on my side. And lo, they weren't. Now I'm sticking with Bendal, for the same reason.


Also, the German thing as an outside force? Are you serious? I think even Bendal would agree with me that that was pretty apparent. And again, I have to ask, if you're suggesting as you seem to be that I knew something more about the Germans, why the hell would I want Jalan lynched?!

No Im thinking you are probably some other faction of 1 that saw an opportunity to start whittling down the competition. I honestly dont have a clue as to who all could be in this game, but there is obviously someone other than IN left in the game. Just because there are reveals on thread doesnt mean that they are true. People make up roles all the time. Its really not that hard to change some stuff or completly fabricate a role to suit needs. So whether you are a recruit or part of a whole other faction your play to me sticks out where the others have been fairly consistent.

[Nimander Golit]

Care to take a bet on that? If INs end up losing this game, at least I could have some of your money and your red-faced shame to comfort me.

[Nimander Golit]

Also, I'm now yet another faction, not even a recruit?


Give me a break, please. Why have I been left with you people?

[Hentos Ilm]

Nimander Golit, on 24 September 2014 - 01:27 PM, said:

Care to take a bet on that? If INs end up losing this game, at least I could have some of your money and your red-faced shame to comfort me.

Im not sure of a damn thing and I certainly wont be the first person to be wrong in a Mafia game. If BH is inno then he has played a damn good game and congrats to him. Im down to the choice between you and Iparth. Especially with the reveals being so similar.

[Bendal Home]

I really, really hope Iparth shows up soon.


(Side note: as I was typing this message thunder struck a tree not that far from my apartment window, wow. Never seen anything so beautiful and terrifying at the same time. And the sound, damn.)

[Nimander Golit]

Bendal Home, on 24 September 2014 - 02:01 PM, said:

I really, really hope Iparth shows up soon.


(Side note: as I was typing this message thunder struck a tree not that far from my apartment window, wow. Never seen anything so beautiful and terrifying at the same time. And the sound, damn.)

***rolls eyes at the act***