[Hentos Ilm]

Iparth Erule, on 22 September 2014 - 06:05 PM, said:

Fioralba, Marcesa di Montbianco You are Fioralba, Marcesa di Montbianco. Ten years ago, every nobleman in Noblesse and beyond sought your hand. They named you the Alabaster Beauty, or the White Rose. Three husbands later, no-one seeks your hand anymore, even though you are only six-and-twenty. Suiting you seems deadly. In addition to your husbands, another five suitors died in duels to the swords of jealous lovers. Childless, alone and surrounded by empty flatterers, you have turned your focus on becoming the best ruler you can be.You are a member of the independent nobility. You win when all members of all other factions are dead.You have no abilities.You will coroner-find as Fioralba, Marcesa di Montbianco, a proud Noblesse noble.The above is me. I choose to believe the two reveals and raise with a reveal of my own.Remove VoteVote NGGoing through the list, seems like the best idea there is.

Nimander Golit, on 22 September 2014 - 06:35 PM, said:

Signora Maria Sforzere da Santa Caterina di TivoliYou are Maria Sforzere da Santa Caterina di Tivoli, Signora of the city and the most famous noblewoman of the Noblesse peninsula, mostly because of the unlucky and untimely ends all of your numerous husbands have met. Although none of the deaths can be attributed to you, nevertheless a certain 'cursed' reputation has emerged around you. Now, in your mid-thirties and with a son to care for, you look for yet another husband. Because a woman cannot rule. Or so they say. Maybe you have to become one of them through marriage first. Now there's an idea... an old count, a rich merchant, maybe a useless second son with more titles than sense?You are a member of the independent nobility. You win when all members of all other factions are dead.You have no abilities.You will coroner-find as Signora Maria Sforzere da Santa Caterina di Tivoli, a proud Noblesse noble.

There are also these two reveals which trouble me a bit. They are extremely similar, but the thing that really jumps out is that one says a woman IS ruling and the other says that a woman CANNOT rule. I may be grasping at straws a little bit. But as intricate as Tapper can be with his games Im not so sure I can see him contradicting himself.

[Path-Shaper]

Bendal Home, on 23 September 2014 - 01:39 PM, said:

Okay, I've been reading up on all that you've said and I have question for you.

You stated you CF was "You will coroner-find as Eleuterio I, Granducato di Gambolò, a proud Noblesse noble."


How come that turned out to be Karosis CF?

Entirely my bad. Didn't check too well.

- T.

[Nimander Golit]

Hentos Ilm, on 23 September 2014 - 02:15 PM, said:

Iparth Erule, on 22 September 2014 - 06:05 PM, said:

Fioralba, Marcesa di Montbianco You are Fioralba, Marcesa di Montbianco. Ten years ago, every nobleman in Noblesse and beyond sought your hand. They named you the Alabaster Beauty, or the White Rose. Three husbands later, no-one seeks your hand anymore, even though you are only six-and-twenty. Suiting you seems deadly. In addition to your husbands, another five suitors died in duels to the swords of jealous lovers. Childless, alone and surrounded by empty flatterers, you have turned your focus on becoming the best ruler you can be.You are a member of the independent nobility. You win when all members of all other factions are dead.You have no abilities.You will coroner-find as Fioralba, Marcesa di Montbianco, a proud Noblesse noble.The above is me. I choose to believe the two reveals and raise with a reveal of my own.Remove VoteVote NGGoing through the list, seems like the best idea there is.

Nimander Golit, on 22 September 2014 - 06:35 PM, said:

Signora Maria Sforzere da Santa Caterina di TivoliYou are Maria Sforzere da Santa Caterina di Tivoli, Signora of the city and the most famous noblewoman of the Noblesse peninsula, mostly because of the unlucky and untimely ends all of your numerous husbands have met. Although none of the deaths can be attributed to you, nevertheless a certain 'cursed' reputation has emerged around you. Now, in your mid-thirties and with a son to care for, you look for yet another husband. Because a woman cannot rule. Or so they say. Maybe you have to become one of them through marriage first. Now there's an idea... an old count, a rich merchant, maybe a useless second son with more titles than sense?You are a member of the independent nobility. You win when all members of all other factions are dead.You have no abilities.You will coroner-find as Signora Maria Sforzere da Santa Caterina di Tivoli, a proud Noblesse noble.

There are also these two reveals which trouble me a bit. They are extremely similar, but the thing that really jumps out is that one says a woman IS ruling and the other says that a woman CANNOT rule. I may be grasping at straws a little bit. But as intricate as Tapper can be with his games Im not so sure I can see him contradicting himself.

Yep, I pointed the similarity out yesterday and it's troubling me too.

What I recall of Bendal off the top of my head is that they've been quick to vote, but that seems like it's been true throughout the game (though I haven't checked).

Iparth I recall being much more vocal early on, but they've virtually disappeared as the game has gone on.

[Bendal Home]

Hentos Ilm, on 23 September 2014 - 02:11 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 23 September 2014 - 02:08 PM, said:

Okay, Hentos, I'd love to know your thoughts. Who would you go for?

Well like I said earlier we have Iparth who we had connected with Fand early on. Though it does strike me as strange how BH has kind of taken over the questioning on thread. I will have to go back and look at that a bit more closely

I think I have been doing that all game long, often just to pressure for information. With everything that came to the table, it seems to work.

By the way,

Remove Vote

I've spoken against Iparth earlier, as have most here, I think, due to the Fanderay connection. Fanderay used to be or claimed to be a killer and now he's dead, NKs still occur, could it be Iparth?

[Nimander Golit]

Alright, well, I think I'm going to have to

Vote Iparth Erule


For the noticeable change in play, and possibly for that similar role description too. Not sure about the Fanderay link - wasn't that being argued before Fanderay was recruited? I'm a bit iffy on the timeline here.

[Bendal Home]

Nimander Golit, on 23 September 2014 - 03:21 PM, said:

Alright, well, I think I'm going to have to

Vote Iparth Erule


For the noticeable change in play, and possibly for that similar role description too. Not sure about the Fanderay link - wasn't that being argued before Fanderay was recruited? I'm a bit iffy on the timeline here.

Wouldn't that make more sense?

Fanderay probably was a killer before he was recruited; so the connection with the active should probably be of the time before he was recruited.

[Bendal Home]

Correction: with the active killer

[Bendal Home]

Hentos Ilm, on 23 September 2014 - 02:02 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 23 September 2014 - 11:05 AM, said:

You have now entered Witness Protection. Your new identity is

Quote

Ducato Manuele Mercator

You are Ducato Manuele Mercator, lord of the Mercator family. Your family line goes all the way back to the great Imperators of Gaiia, and while their empire may have crumbled, their duty to protect the City and the Father Who Resides In It still stands. Within the peninsula of Noblesse, the martial prowess of your house is unmatched. A thousand squads of six consisting of heavily armored infantry, armed with two handed warhammers are the backbone of your house, ready at your beck and call. In the troubling times ahead, you will need every single one of them to fulfill the obligations of your house.

You are a member of the independent nobility. You win when all members of all other factions are dead.

You will coroner-find as Ducato Manuele Mercator, a proud Noblesse noble.

Just for the peace of mind of all other IN

You know, this does not prove anything.

Your starting role might have been switched, but you might have retained your recruited status. Just putting that out there.

[Hentos Ilm]

Bendal Home, on 23 September 2014 - 04:53 PM, said:

Hentos Ilm, on 23 September 2014 - 02:02 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 23 September 2014 - 11:05 AM, said:

You have now entered Witness Protection. Your new identity is

Quote

Ducato Manuele Mercator

You are Ducato Manuele Mercator, lord of the Mercator family. Your family line goes all the way back to the great Imperators of Gaiia, and while their empire may have crumbled, their duty to protect the City and the Father Who Resides In It still stands. Within the peninsula of Noblesse, the martial prowess of your house is unmatched. A thousand squads of six consisting of heavily armored infantry, armed with two handed warhammers are the backbone of your house, ready at your beck and call. In the troubling times ahead, you will need every single one of them to fulfill the obligations of your house.

You are a member of the independent nobility. You win when all members of all other factions are dead.

You will coroner-find as Ducato Manuele Mercator, a proud Noblesse noble.

Just for the peace of mind of all other IN

You know, this does not prove anything.

Your starting role might have been switched, but you might have retained your recruited status. Just putting that out there.

I know it doesnt prove anything. I just wanted the PS quote up there to help back my claims as to the name switch because I know when something crazy like that shows up in a game its damn near an automatic lynch reason

[Bendal Home]

Hentos Ilm, on 23 September 2014 - 02:15 PM, said:

Iparth Erule, on 22 September 2014 - 06:05 PM, said:

Fioralba, Marcesa di Montbianco You are Fioralba, Marcesa di Montbianco. Ten years ago, every nobleman in Noblesse and beyond sought your hand. They named you the Alabaster Beauty, or the White Rose. Three husbands later, no-one seeks your hand anymore, even though you are only six-and-twenty. Suiting you seems deadly. In addition to your husbands, another five suitors died in duels to the swords of jealous lovers. Childless, alone and surrounded by empty flatterers, you have turned your focus on becoming the best ruler you can be.You are a member of the independent nobility. You win when all members of all other factions are dead.You have no abilities.You will coroner-find as Fioralba, Marcesa di Montbianco, a proud Noblesse noble.The above is me. I choose to believe the two reveals and raise with a reveal of my own.Remove VoteVote NGGoing through the list, seems like the best idea there is.

Nimander Golit, on 22 September 2014 - 06:35 PM, said:

Signora Maria Sforzere da Santa Caterina di TivoliYou are Maria Sforzere da Santa Caterina di Tivoli, Signora of the city and the most famous noblewoman of the Noblesse peninsula, mostly because of the unlucky and untimely ends all of your numerous husbands have met. Although none of the deaths can be attributed to you, nevertheless a certain 'cursed' reputation has emerged around you. Now, in your mid-thirties and with a son to care for, you look for yet another husband. Because a woman cannot rule. Or so they say. Maybe you have to become one of them through marriage first. Now there's an idea... an old count, a rich merchant, maybe a useless second son with more titles than sense?You are a member of the independent nobility. You win when all members of all other factions are dead.You have no abilities.You will coroner-find as Signora Maria Sforzere da Santa Caterina di Tivoli, a proud Noblesse noble.

There are also these two reveals which trouble me a bit. They are extremely similar, but the thing that really jumps out is that one says a woman IS ruling and the other says that a woman CANNOT rule. I may be grasping at straws a little bit. But as intricate as Tapper can be with his games Im not so sure I can see him contradicting himself.

No, Tapper's not saying that women cannot rule in the last one. Tapper is setting her up as someone who's fiercely fighting against a stereotype.

Both descriptions speak of women who are in control due to their widow status, but I guess that's almost required to have them rule a house.

Either way, if it's a sign of one (or both) of the descriptions being off, I don't know which one and I don't see a way of telling which is which without pondering about wine.

Hentos Ilm, on 23 September 2014 - 06:11 PM, said:

Bendal Home, on 23 September 2014 - 04:53 PM, said:

Hentos Ilm, on 23 September 2014 - 02:02 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 23 September 2014 - 11:05 AM, said:

You have now entered Witness Protection. Your new identity is

Quote

Ducato Manuele Mercator

You are Ducato Manuele Mercator, lord of the Mercator family. Your family line goes all the way back to the great Imperators of Gaiia, and while their empire may have crumbled, their duty to protect the City and the Father Who Resides In It still stands. Within the peninsula of Noblesse, the martial prowess of your house is unmatched. A thousand squads of six consisting of heavily armored infantry, armed with two handed warhammers are the backbone of your house, ready at your beck and call. In the troubling times ahead, you will need every single one of them to fulfill the obligations of your house.

You are a member of the independent nobility. You win when all members of all other factions are dead.

You will coroner-find as Ducato Manuele Mercator, a proud Noblesse noble.

Just for the peace of mind of all other IN

You know, this does not prove anything.

Your starting role might have been switched, but you might have retained your recruited status. Just putting that out there.

I know it doesnt prove anything. I just wanted the PS quote up there to help back my claims as to the name switch because I know when something crazy like that shows up in a game its damn near an automatic lynch reason

Sure, but NG made the implication that this "proved" your IN status. I don't think it does.

This leaves me to wonder what's going one.

The last person that was confirmed to be IN, implicated both you, Hentos, and NG as being suspicious. If I go over the past developments, it seems almost seems like you two are teaming up. (Asking each other questions, stating that the other is almost confirmed to be IN, and so on.)

So, if one is not actively teaming up, I want you to think about that, because it's possible that you're being manipulated by the other to jump on a vote train.

Keep in mind that there is a killer on the loose, so if you're not sure about the allegiance, you might be in for a set-up. (Lynch one of the others (Iparth or me), be NK yourself, so it's a guaranteed victory for the other as a lynch is impossible, but the killer still has his ability.)

[Nimander Golit]

To answer why I'm thinking Hentos is indy. I know that it's not exactly within the bounds of the game, but these basically CI, or at least VPI, Hentos for me. To give Hentos a new role AND affiliation now because of a screw-up would be very unfair for them.

Vengeance, on 23 September 2014 - 02:05 PM, said:

I am not bothering to get into PS because I am rushed at work. I have gone over everything and PS made a mistake on posting a role PM. An accidental copy and paste. These things happen. Continue as you were. The nessasary changes have been made in SH to compensate for this error.

What you say this game wasn't designed for a predator? Oh well enjoy. Randomly given out. You can thank me later.


Venge

Path-Shaper, on 23 September 2014 - 02:16 PM, said:

Bendal Home, on 23 September 2014 - 01:39 PM, said:

Okay, I've been reading up on all that you've said and I have question for you.

You stated you CF was "You will coroner-find as Eleuterio I, Granducato di Gambolò, a proud Noblesse noble."


How come that turned out to be Karosis CF?

Entirely my bad. Didn't check too well.

- T.

[Bendal Home]

Well, I'm not that convinced of their status yet and here's why:

I think it's as a good as confirmed that they both started out as IN, so I'll concede a CI or VPI on their starting statuses. The death of Karosis confirmed he still was IN at the end of the game, as there was no correction to his status after his death nor did a role switch take place. However, I can image that during the composition of his CF and death scene, PS went through the list of starting CFs and selected the wrong one. This still does not say anything about Hentos their current CF find, as he might have had a "recruited" PM in his inbox. (Scenario: Check Karosis status on list kept in SH, go back through original PM's to copy CF, open wrong PM, copy-paste without noticing as CF and role PM fits status on list.)

[Bendal Home]

However, I would like to add that I'm tempted by your scenario.

So for me, the list is as follows:

CI:
BH (although I can do nothing but dying to confirm that to you guys, but if you're truly IN, then lynching for confirmation at this stage would probably see you lose.)

PI:
Hentos (screw-up scenario is a bit of a leap)

That leaves you, NG, and Iparth.

So, how do you, NG, react to Emurlahn's suspicion of you? You might be the one trying to set us up.

You were the one who suggested Emurlahn in the first place, even if the post just previous to your vote post you attacked the your own argument. You said that it proved nothing, but then just it as the single argument, that eventually led to his lynch before he even came back to the thread. Did you see a beautiful opportunity and manipulated us to speed lynch him before he had the chance to defend or "reveal" himself?

[Bendal Home]

Correction: My screw-up scenario, not the original screw-up, that shit happened to complicate matters.

[Bendal Home]

and "just it" is "used it".

Sleepy much?

[Nimander Golit]

Bendal Home, on 24 September 2014 - 07:10 AM, said:

However, I would like to add that I'm tempted by your scenario.

So for me, the list is as follows:

CI:
BH (although I can do nothing but dying to confirm that to you guys, but if you're truly IN, then lynching for confirmation at this stage would probably see you lose.)

PI:
Hentos (screw-up scenario is a bit of a leap)

That leaves you, NG, and Iparth.

So, how do you, NG, react to Emurlahn's suspicion of you? You might be the one trying to set us up.

You were the one who suggested Emurlahn in the first place, even if the post just previous to your vote post you attacked the your own argument. You said that it proved nothing, but then just it as the single argument, that eventually led to his lynch before he even came back to the thread. Did you see a beautiful opportunity and manipulated us to speed lynch him before he had the chance to defend or "reveal" himself?

Suggested Emurlahn? Let's look at what I said when I voted Emurlahn. I said I was voting him because they were the only 'unrevealed' (notice the ironic quotes I used, suggesting my scepticism about the veracity of reveals thus far) player thus far. But the vote was nevertheless a continuation of you lot's pressuring votes to get people to reveal, so that we'd have something on the table from everyone. How did I know you were going to actually lynch him before he posted anything?

Your 'beautiful opportunity' scenario only works if I was the last person on the train, not the first.

[Bendal Home]

Path-Shaper, on 23 September 2014 - 09:23 AM, said:

It is day 9.

Not voted: Bendal Home, Hentos Ilm, Iparth Irule, Nimander Golit.

I am back to bed.

Okay judging from this post we have about 10 hours left.

A time out is only beneficial for the killer, as I suspect that the killer has a alternating day kill ability.

We need three people to lynch. As Iparth seems to have disappeared, we are unable to lynch any of us three discussing here if he does not return before the time-out. As that's not beneficial for IN, I'm nominating Iparth if he does not return very, very soon. If he returns last minute, we still have no time to come to a conclusion. That's scummy behavior.

[Bendal Home]

Nimander Golit, on 24 September 2014 - 07:23 AM, said:

Bendal Home, on 24 September 2014 - 07:10 AM, said:

However, I would like to add that I'm tempted by your scenario.

So for me, the list is as follows:

CI:
BH (although I can do nothing but dying to confirm that to you guys, but if you're truly IN, then lynching for confirmation at this stage would probably see you lose.)

PI:
Hentos (screw-up scenario is a bit of a leap)

That leaves you, NG, and Iparth.

So, how do you, NG, react to Emurlahn's suspicion of you? You might be the one trying to set us up.

You were the one who suggested Emurlahn in the first place, even if the post just previous to your vote post you attacked the your own argument. You said that it proved nothing, but then just it as the single argument, that eventually led to his lynch before he even came back to the thread. Did you see a beautiful opportunity and manipulated us to speed lynch him before he had the chance to defend or "reveal" himself?

Suggested Emurlahn? Let's look at what I said when I voted Emurlahn. I said I was voting him because they were the only 'unrevealed' (notice the ironic quotes I used, suggesting my scepticism about the veracity of reveals thus far) player thus far. But the vote was nevertheless a continuation of you lot's pressuring votes to get people to reveal, so that we'd have something on the table from everyone. How did I know you were going to actually lynch him before he posted anything?

Your 'beautiful opportunity' scenario only works if I was the last person on the train, not the first.

Most of my scenario's don't work, but they get people to "reveal" their reasons or commit to some explanation or another.

[Nimander Golit]

Remove Vote


It occurs to me that maybe we should be asking you about some scenarios, Bendal. For example, while I would encourage people to look at everyone at this late stage, that's not quite what you appear to be doing. What I mean is, there's little of going through previous posts, examining potential changes in posting behaviour. Instead it's mostly all some vague 'what if' scenarios.

They could lead a person to think you're always going to vote Iparth (and your recent post is certainly leaning that way) but also making sure to cast doubt on everyone remaining in order to be able to push a case on them after you help to vote Iparth off. Lots of humming and hawwing, but suddenly I got this feeling that you always intended to vote Iparth (or perhaps indeed anyone who had a vote on them) despite all that.

So there's my what if scenario for you.

[Bendal Home]

Nimander Golit, on 24 September 2014 - 08:44 AM, said:

Remove Vote


It occurs to me that maybe we should be asking you about some scenarios, Bendal. For example, while I would encourage people to look at everyone at this late stage, that's not quite what you appear to be doing. What I mean is, there's little of going through previous posts, examining potential changes in posting behaviour. Instead it's mostly all some vague 'what if' scenarios.

They could lead a person to think you're always going to vote Iparth (and your recent post is certainly leaning that way) but also making sure to cast doubt on everyone remaining in order to be able to push a case on them after you help to vote Iparth off. Lots of humming and hawwing, but suddenly I got this feeling that you always intended to vote Iparth (or perhaps indeed anyone who had a vote on them) despite all that.

So there's my what if scenario for you.

Understandable.

However, if I intended to vote Iparth, then I would have put my vote down after you initiated the voting with your Iparth vote (again). Instead, I weakened the momentum for Iparth by questioning you and Hentos, as I'm not convinced that Iparth is scum (yet). Putting my vote down could probably lead to him being lynched before he could reply, as it would only require Hentos to vote. That could have turned out to be another Emurlahn debacle.

Still, if Iparth's a no-show, he's the only available lynch option as we need three to vote. Another delay is not beneficial for IN, it just is not with a NK mechanism still in play. That's the only thing I've said.

By the way, if I were the killer, then I would not have posted this:

Bendal Home, on 23 September 2014 - 08:54 PM, said:

The last person that was confirmed to be IN, implicated both you, Hentos, and NG as being suspicious. If I go over the past developments, it seems almost seems like you two are teaming up. (Asking each other questions, stating that the other is almost confirmed to be IN, and so on.)

So, if one is not actively teaming up, I want you to think about that, because it's possible that you're being manipulated by the other to jump on a vote train.

Keep in mind that there is a killer on the loose, so if you're not sure about the allegiance, you might be in for a set-up. (Lynch one of the others (Iparth or me), be NK yourself, so it's a guaranteed victory for the other as a lynch is impossible, but the killer still has his ability.)

I don't think advertising that NK + impossible lynch scenario is beneficial for a killer, not with someone (Iparth) lined up for lynching.