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Mafia 114 - Gladiators Game Thread

#201 User is offline   Ryadd Eleis 

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Posted 29 July 2014 - 04:00 PM

Vote Denesmet

Of course Den's lynch also means we're lining up one of ourselves to fight Skintick ;)

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Posted 29 July 2014 - 04:02 PM

View PostRyadd Eleis, on 29 July 2014 - 04:00 PM, said:

Vote Denesmet

Of course Den's lynch also means we're lining up one of ourselves to fight Skintick ;)


It could be advantageous if the fight is delayed to just agree not to fight against him which would leave a known townie around. Then when a guard finally went up against him we would know who it was. There are some big ifs in there, but do you see any holes?

#203 User is offline   Ryadd Eleis 

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Posted 29 July 2014 - 04:03 PM

Anyone know what's happened to the Assail section of the forum? Seems to have disappeared.

#204 User is offline   Eldat Pressen 

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Posted 29 July 2014 - 04:03 PM

Oh and

Vote Denesmet

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Posted 29 July 2014 - 04:04 PM

View PostRyadd Eleis, on 29 July 2014 - 04:00 PM, said:

Vote Denesmet

Of course Den's lynch also means we're lining up one of ourselves to fight Skintick :p



Does anyone here not think they can take him?

He limits himself to RHYMING COUPLETS, for gods sake. How good do you think he is in a fight to the death? Pssh.

Bendal you great big sack of wrikled scrotes, put me in the fight with skin! I'll rip that bastard to shreds! GIVE ME GLORY! Then give me a scum CF from skin pls pls pls ;)

#206 User is offline   Prazec Goul 

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Posted 29 July 2014 - 04:14 PM

View PostGhennan, on 29 July 2014 - 03:40 PM, said:

So, thats a plain as it is going toget from him I think;


Skintick is claiming he can cancel tonight fight and that he and denesmet will fight tomorrow at the exclusion of any other fights. This delays any CFs from bendals choices, and forces us to go through an extra days lynche with close to almost no information to go on.

I say this is both bullshit, and not beneficial for town.

Thoughts.

Edit: Fixed number of days affected.


what if we lynch Dn though, someone else is nominated by Bendal, is that fight then cancelled?

#207 User is offline   Prazec Goul 

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Posted 29 July 2014 - 04:17 PM

Oh major cross post, I was still over a page back without refreshing.

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Posted 29 July 2014 - 04:22 PM

It is Day 1. There are 9 hours remaining.


There are 14 Players left alive: Anomandaris, Aranatha, Bendal Home, Denesmet, Eldat Pressen, Ghennan, Iparth Erule, Kessobahn, Merrid, Prazec Goul, Ryadd Eleis, Skintick, Tennes, Ultama

8 votes for lynch, 7 votes for night.

2 votes Ghennan: Anomandaris, Skintick
6 votes Denesmet: Prazec Goul, Kessobahn, Tennes, Ghennan, Ryadd Eleis, Eldat Pressen


Players not voted: Aranatha, Bendal Home, Denesmet, Iparth Erule, Merrid, Ultama
Only someone with this much power could make this many frittatas without breaking any eggs.
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Posted 29 July 2014 - 07:16 PM

Riveting.

#210 User is offline   Merrid 

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Posted 29 July 2014 - 07:29 PM

Catching up as I go along

View PostBendal Home, on 28 July 2014 - 03:29 PM, said:

Great Gladiators of house Batiatus! A new day dawns, and our glory and fortune rise with the sun. Only by shedding blood, sweat and tears will the Gods split the heavens and bless us with fucking rain!

Who among you desire glory? Better yet, who among you desire women and wine? In these wall, all is within your grasp. Train hard and have your name -- and that of Batiatus -- rise to the heights of legend!.

All I ask is obedience. Defy the gods if you must, but do not fuck with me.

BH alluding to his CAPS LOCK ability.

View PostBendal Home, on 28 July 2014 - 08:12 PM, said:

Gladiators gather. This Ludus housed many champions in its time, and yet none greater stand before me on this day. I have secured position in the coming games! Two men to face each other in deadly contest. No quarter given, no mercy shown.

SKINTICK AND DENESMET! TWO LEGENDS TO APPEASE CAPUA AND THE GODS. MAY GLORIOUS DEATH BRING RAIN.


Names his fighters early on - 6 hours 12min into game. Perhaps he has a time limit to choose the gladiators in? There's been no change to them so far either despite Denesmet being at L2 so I think BH is stuck once he names them. We could wait for the announcement then lynch one of his chosen ones to prevent the NK each night at the expense of BH picking the two targets.

View PostTennes, on 28 July 2014 - 10:02 PM, said:

What happens if we lynch Denesmet? Does Batiatus get another chance to chose fighters?
Those puns are like torture.


Was this answered by anyone on thread? I didn't notice it if so. It seems we're going to try and find out by doing it.

View PostAranatha, on 28 July 2014 - 10:28 PM, said:

View PostUltama, on 28 July 2014 - 03:00 PM, said:

I thought this didn't start until next Monday. Guess I need to read up on the OP.

Oh and poop on Bendal Home.


If you hadn't read up on the OP already, where did you get Bendal Homes name from? Both additional posts were posted at the same time. Wouldn't have made sense to read one and not the other.


Nice catch Aranatha.

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View PostSkintick, on 28 July 2014 - 11:17 PM, said:

You had a chat with the ladies huh? I rather enjoyed Lucretia and her mother. I can't claim credit for Messalina though. She's rather, uh, active shall we say? Kinky as well but then so are the other two.


Your words spill from mouth as shit from ass.

SKINTICK MUST SPEAK IN RHYMES FOR THE REST OF THE DAY

The rest of you shit eating worms better watch your tongue, lest I have it ripped from fucking craw.


Someone more familiar with Spartacus can let us know who he is trying to claim to be here having screwed BH's wife and daughter and if that tallies with the ability to delay fights?

BH uses his command thing, once. No further uses so far - a once-per-day ability then. Must have limits to its power too else he'd just say "LYNCH /ALT/" each day.

View PostRyadd Eleis, on 29 July 2014 - 01:45 AM, said:

I was thinking, in most cases in these arena battles townies will be fighting townies. But not all townies are equal - specifically, the three named in the OP are probably of higher value, ability-wise.

Hypothetical scenario: If it happens that one of them ends up in an arena fight, and we can somehow be sure that they are who they say they are, I would suggest that the townie who's up against them not submit any actions, and sacrifice themselves for the good of the town by making sure those higher-ability townies survive.


I think this may not work - you have to submit actions and the only choices are hit location and shield location, no mention in the OP as to withholding. I'll check with PS though.

View PostEldat Pressen, on 29 July 2014 - 10:55 AM, said:

Ok Ive read up. I asked PS about lynching the arena candidates and yes Bendal will get to choose a new contender. But especially this early why would Bendal put one of his guards in a fight? D1 lynch is pretty much always a townie. Not a given I know but statistically its probably going to happen. If I were him I would throw 2 town in the arena and be happy with my chances that there will be a town lynch, getting a nice little twofer. This logic wont hold up all day but for D1 especially I think its sound.


Has anyone else confirmed Eldats claim from PS? It'd screw with my thoughts above if true and add in delays of potentially more than the 6 hour night and guarantee 2 deaths a day unless we don't lynch

View PostPrazec Goul, on 29 July 2014 - 01:01 PM, said:

View PostEldat Pressen, on 29 July 2014 - 12:57 PM, said:

One thing I just thought of why put your guard in a fight then make it 10 times harder to defend yourself from scrutiny by making you rhyme?

*Added times


That's wifom, he may have realised his mistake and put extra pressure on him to give the appearance of what you say. Skintick says the battle will not go ahead, we can cross off Denesmet and test Skin's reveal. Safe to say we only lose one town player in a WCS.

Is there a way Skin would have this type of ability as scum?


Doesn't seem likely but could be a fake reveal still

We lynch Denesmet, BH picks someone else for scum Skintick to fight, Skintick kills them. We lose 2 town, then lynch Skintick next Day whilst 2 town fight. Over 2 days we lose 3 town and 1 scum

If he didn't reveal then we lynch him, Denesmet fights someone else, one of them dies. 1 scum 1 town down, roll on next day with 1 more town still in the game, 2 town fight and someone is lynched. Over 2 days we lose 2 town, 1 scum and one other (either town or scum) to lynch.

Safer to fake reveal.

View PostPrazec Goul, on 29 July 2014 - 02:17 PM, said:

Mainly because Bendal knows who his guards are. He will know if Skintick IS one or is not. Where we will have no way of telling.

Both could be his guards and he has just messed up. Trying to damage one to PI the other.

We just wouldn't know, but the fact that Skin has revealed an ability should be addressed.

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No quoting of PMs or reveals re: your weapons and armour on pain of modkill.



Damage one to PI the other? You mean more like making one kill the other on night 1? Seems a bit retarded.

That's all I've got time for at the moment, I do dislike this rush to lynch. Will try and catch up again before timeout

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Posted 29 July 2014 - 07:31 PM

View PostMerrid, on 29 July 2014 - 07:29 PM, said:

View PostTennes, on 28 July 2014 - 10:02 PM, said:

What happens if we lynch Denesmet? Does Batiatus get another chance to chose fighters?
Those puns are like torture.


Was this answered by anyone on thread? I didn't notice it if so. It seems we're going to try and find out by doing it.

View PostEldat Pressen, on 29 July 2014 - 10:55 AM, said:

Ok Ive read up. I asked PS about lynching the arena candidates and yes Bendal will get to choose a new contender. But especially this early why would Bendal put one of his guards in a fight? D1 lynch is pretty much always a townie. Not a given I know but statistically its probably going to happen. If I were him I would throw 2 town in the arena and be happy with my chances that there will be a town lynch, getting a nice little twofer. This logic wont hold up all day but for D1 especially I think its sound.



;)

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Posted 29 July 2014 - 07:56 PM

View PostMerrid, on 29 July 2014 - 07:31 PM, said:

View PostMerrid, on 29 July 2014 - 07:29 PM, said:

View PostTennes, on 28 July 2014 - 10:02 PM, said:

What happens if we lynch Denesmet? Does Batiatus get another chance to chose fighters?
Those puns are like torture.


Was this answered by anyone on thread? I didn't notice it if so. It seems we're going to try and find out by doing it.

View PostEldat Pressen, on 29 July 2014 - 10:55 AM, said:

Ok Ive read up. I asked PS about lynching the arena candidates and yes Bendal will get to choose a new contender. But especially this early why would Bendal put one of his guards in a fight? D1 lynch is pretty much always a townie. Not a given I know but statistically its probably going to happen. If I were him I would throw 2 town in the arena and be happy with my chances that there will be a town lynch, getting a nice little twofer. This logic wont hold up all day but for D1 especially I think its sound.



;)




I asked this just a bit ago with a twist in the wording though. Bendal HAS to name a replacement in the event of a lynch. So, yes, somebody would come off the bench.

The delay is a passive ability triggered by being selected. Singular utility and not elected.

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Posted 29 July 2014 - 08:10 PM

View PostMerrid, on 29 July 2014 - 07:29 PM, said:


Names his fighters early on - 6 hours 12min into game. Perhaps he has a time limit to choose the gladiators in? There's been no change to them so far either despite Denesmet being at L2 so I think BH is stuck once he names them. We could wait for the announcement then lynch one of his chosen ones to prevent the NK each night at the expense of BH picking the two targets.




This is a really good thought. I hadnt really thought about a time limit to his announcement and that would give us a bit of an advantage to work things out.

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Posted 29 July 2014 - 08:13 PM

View PostTennes, on 28 July 2014 - 08:32 PM, said:

View PostBendal Home, on 28 July 2014 - 08:12 PM, said:

Gladiators gather. This Ludus housed many champions in its time, and yet none greater stand before me on this day. I have secured position in the coming games! Two men to face each other in deadly contest. No quarter given, no mercy shown.

SKINTICK AND DENESMET! TWO LEGENDS TO APPEASE CAPUA AND THE GODS. MAY GLORIOUS DEATH BRING RAIN.

Whoever you are, you watch way too much Spartacus.


I was thinking Thunderdome.
Still way too derivative Bendal Home.


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View PostBendal Home, on 28 July 2014 - 11:29 PM, said:

View PostSkintick, on 28 July 2014 - 11:17 PM, said:

You had a chat with the ladies huh? I rather enjoyed Lucretia and her mother. I can't claim credit for Messalina though. She's rather, uh, active shall we say? Kinky as well but then so are the other two.


Your words spill from mouth as shit from ass.

SKINTICK MUST SPEAK IN RHYMES FOR THE REST OF THE DAY

The rest of you shit eating worms better watch your tongue, lest I have it ripped from fucking craw.


Someone more familiar with Spartacus can let us know who he is trying to claim to be here having screwed BH's wife and daughter and if that tallies with the ability to delay fights?



Spartacus schmartacus.

"Valeria Messalina,[1] sometimes spelled Messallina, (c. 17/20–48) was the third wife of the Roman Emperor Claudius.........With her accession to power, Messalina enters history with a reputation as ruthless, predatory and sexually insatiable"

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Posted 29 July 2014 - 08:29 PM

View PostEldat Pressen, on 29 July 2014 - 08:10 PM, said:

View PostMerrid, on 29 July 2014 - 07:29 PM, said:


Names his fighters early on - 6 hours 12min into game. Perhaps he has a time limit to choose the gladiators in? There's been no change to them so far either despite Denesmet being at L2 so I think BH is stuck once he names them. We could wait for the announcement then lynch one of his chosen ones to prevent the NK each night at the expense of BH picking the two targets.




This is a really good thought. I hadnt really thought about a time limit to his announcement and that would give us a bit of an advantage to work things out.



No it isn't. It's already been stated that Bendal can name a replacement should one of his choices be lynched - as will happen if Denesmet is lynched today.

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Posted 29 July 2014 - 08:30 PM

Also why would we want our lynch choices dictated every day by the known scum?

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Posted 29 July 2014 - 08:43 PM

View PostRyadd Eleis, on 29 July 2014 - 08:30 PM, said:

Also why would we want our lynch choices dictated every day by the known scum?




View PostPath-Shaper, on 29 July 2014 - 04:22 PM, said:

2 votes Ghennan: Anomandaris, Skintick
6 votes Denesmet: Prazec Goul, Kessobahn, Tennes, Ghennan, Ryadd Eleis, Eldat Pressen




Because people are sheeple?

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Posted 29 July 2014 - 08:53 PM

I don't know what to feel about Skintick's ability reveal. Has anyone thought that Skintick could be making this up because he's a shield, and that Batiatus is the one with this ability to delay his own fight, thus trying to PI Skintick? This may be wild thinking, but we have to consider all. Skintick was defending himself as lynchee with reveals, and there was some defense of him as well. Batiatus made Skintick rhyme in posts. This could be a distance move. I think it's viable that Skintick is a shield, but with 6 votes on Denesmet, it probably isn't wise to try to alter the current lynch path. However, I want my thoughts noted. Skintick wiggled and squirmed through that reveal. I would think an ability to delay a fight would need to be activated with specific words. Conveniently for Skintick, he said his ability happened on its own. I am wary of him, but who can be sure. He could have this ability, but wouldn't Batiatus change the fighter from Skintick to someone else now that he knows of Skintick's ability. If not, I guess Batiatus can't change the fighters once named.

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Posted 29 July 2014 - 08:55 PM

View PostAranatha, on 29 July 2014 - 08:53 PM, said:

I don't know what to feel about Skintick's ability reveal. Has anyone thought that Skintick could be making this up because he's a shield, and that Batiatus is the one with this ability to delay his own fight, thus trying to PI Skintick? This may be wild thinking, but we have to consider all. Skintick was defending himself as lynchee with reveals, and there was some defense of him as well. Batiatus made Skintick rhyme in posts. This could be a distance move. I think it's viable that Skintick is a shield, but with 6 votes on Denesmet, it probably isn't wise to try to alter the current lynch path. However, I want my thoughts noted. Skintick wiggled and squirmed through that reveal. I would think an ability to delay a fight would need to be activated with specific words. Conveniently for Skintick, he said his ability happened on its own. I am wary of him, but who can be sure. He could have this ability, but wouldn't Batiatus change the fighter from Skintick to someone else now that he knows of Skintick's ability. If not, I guess Batiatus can't change the fighters once named.


No, no one else has ever considered not taking his reveal at face value. We all just believed him as soon as he said it, thank you for expanding our minds, you have saved this game singled handed. MVP.

Sarcasm aside, yes, skin is incredibly incredibly scumlike to me as well.

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Posted 29 July 2014 - 09:00 PM

View PostSkintick, on 29 July 2014 - 08:43 PM, said:

View PostRyadd Eleis, on 29 July 2014 - 08:30 PM, said:

Also why would we want our lynch choices dictated every day by the known scum?




View PostPath-Shaper, on 29 July 2014 - 04:22 PM, said:

2 votes Ghennan: Anomandaris, Skintick
6 votes Denesmet: Prazec Goul, Kessobahn, Tennes, Ghennan, Ryadd Eleis, Eldat Pressen




Because people are sheeple?




Clearly I meant every single day, as Merrid was suggesting ;)


Do you have any more in-depth reasoning as to why you're so against a lynch of Denesmet or yourself? Well, I understand yourself, but in terms of a lynch of one of the two fighters. Or is it actually Denesmet specifically you don't want to see lynched?

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