[Dadding]

QuickTidal, on 20 April 2015 - 06:12 PM, said:

Oh, and to those that may have seen all the leaked eps...is it true that...

Spoiler

the show (in the first few eps) comes right out and puts the R+L=Jon Snow debate to rest and says that yes Jon is indeed the product of Lyanna Stark's kidnap and rape by Rhaegar Targeryen? I've heard Littlefinger comes right out and explains it.

I've watched them and no, it doesn't say that ... unless I missed something.

Spoiler

Stannis (I think) mentions that it's unlikely Ned Stark would have slept with a serving wench or something, and hints at Jon having different parents, but that's about it

[worry]

I liked that Kevan has a bit more backbone on the show. In fact I liked all the changes from the books, and I think Sansa's reaction to Brienne was entirely sensible. The Meereen riot was a little on the nose, but what else can you do with that set? The Unsullied are still absolutely awesome to see in action.

[QuickTidal]

meh, screw Sansa, she's horrid

This post has been edited by QuickTidal: 20 April 2015 - 10:42 PM

[Defiance]

Dadding, on 20 April 2015 - 08:17 PM, said:

QuickTidal, on 20 April 2015 - 06:12 PM, said:

Oh, and to those that may have seen all the leaked eps...is it true that...

Spoiler

the show (in the first few eps) comes right out and puts the R+L=Jon Snow debate to rest and says that yes Jon is indeed the product of Lyanna Stark's kidnap and rape by Rhaegar Targeryen? I've heard Littlefinger comes right out and explains it.

I've watched them and no, it doesn't say that ... unless I missed something.

Spoiler

Stannis (I think) mentions that it's unlikely Ned Stark would have slept with a serving wench or something, and hints at Jon having different parents, but that's about it

Spoiler

It definitely doesn't tell you. Littlefinger does tell the story of how Rhaegar gave a blue rose to Lyanna at the Harrenhal tourney, but that's it. That same story is told on a least one occasion in the books. However, this plus an offhand Stannis remark is the first time the show has really started planting the idea that Jon might have different parents. I do think there's a good chance we'll see a reveal this season.

I've watched all the leaked episodes, and so far I'm pretty happy with the direction the show is going. This season is still progressing a little slowly, but it's much better than the endless repetition of Dance.

About the only cut detail I really miss is the Greyjoy Uncles.

[Jakovasaurus]

*spoilers

[Abyss]

Glad they did, it makes him less useless. Also amped up the Cersei v Margarine conflict nicely.
Sansa had a solid badass face after Littlefinger gave his speech... Wondering whether we'll see her retake the North her own damn self.
Jon takes no fucks. Convenient how the guy he executed also happened to be the one who betrayed Eddard.
Arya is going to get annoying if she spends the entire time whining and getting beat down.
FRANKENGREGOR!!!!!!!

[Terez]

Defiance, on 21 April 2015 - 12:16 AM, said:

Dadding, on 20 April 2015 - 08:17 PM, said:

QuickTidal, on 20 April 2015 - 06:12 PM, said:

Oh, and to those that may have seen all the leaked eps...is it true that...

Spoiler

the show (in the first few eps) comes right out and puts the R+L=Jon Snow debate to rest and says that yes Jon is indeed the product of Lyanna Stark's kidnap and rape by Rhaegar Targeryen? I've heard Littlefinger comes right out and explains it.

I've watched them and no, it doesn't say that ... unless I missed something.

Spoiler

Stannis (I think) mentions that it's unlikely Ned Stark would have slept with a serving wench or something, and hints at Jon having different parents, but that's about it

Spoiler

It definitely doesn't tell you. Littlefinger does tell the story of how Rhaegar gave a blue rose to Lyanna at the Harrenhal tourney, but that's it. That same story is told on a least one occasion in the books. However, this plus an offhand Stannis remark is the first time the show has really started planting the idea that Jon might have different parents. I do think there's a good chance we'll see a reveal this season.

I've watched all the leaked episodes, and so far I'm pretty happy with the direction the show is going. This season is still progressing a little slowly, but it's much better than the endless repetition of Dance.

About the only cut detail I really miss is the Greyjoy Uncles.

I am also liking the merging of plotlines. As for the spoilered bits above...no one got this quite right...

Spoiler

After Littlefinger tells the Harrenhal story, he says something about how many thousands died because Rhaegar chose Lyanna. Sansa then says, yes, he chose her, but then he kidnapped and raped her. Littlefinger appears to debate whether he should say something like, "Or so the story goes." But he doesn't say anything.

Much as I loved watching the eps early, I can't wait until next week's ep is done and I don't have to worry about spoilers any more. I only discuss the show on booknerd forums, so I never have to worry about book spoilers.

[TheRetiredBridgeburner]

Terez, on 27 April 2015 - 04:39 AM, said:

Much as I loved watching the eps early, I can't wait until next week's ep is done and I don't have to worry about spoilers any more. I only discuss the show on booknerd forums, so I never have to worry about book spoilers.

This. I'm not enjoying having to be super careful about it!

[worry]

I'm reporting you both to HBO for a big fat reward check.

[Traveller]

I'm now wondering if Littlefinger's lessons are going to backfire on him big time.. like with Sansa sticking a knife in his back once he gets her Winterfell.

[Abyss]

Traveller, on 27 April 2015 - 10:16 AM, said:

I'm now wondering if Littlefinger's lessons are going to backfire on him big time.. like with Sansa sticking a knife in his back once he gets her Winterfell.

I fucking HOPE SO.

Sansa turning into a power-player is one of those twists everyone has been calling for ages, but predictable or not, it would be so very very nice.


And then of course, after she's had the Boltons gutted and seized the North and told Stannis to go fuck himself with a flaming broadsword, Littlefinger will say the whole thing was part of his master plan and dance back to the Eyrie.

[Traveller]

Well she's seen him ruthlessly off Sir Dontos and her Aunt.. in the name of a bigger scheme.

Would be good if she plays him until she's got what she wants, then kills him the same way he's been knocking people off the board.

[flea]

Damn, this season is moving FAST. Great choices by the writers.

[Abyss]

Agreed. They're just skipping so much of the interminable setup or placeholder plotlines GRRM has trudged around in for years.

[QuickTidal]

Abyss, on 28 April 2015 - 04:20 PM, said:

Agreed. They're just skipping so much of the interminable setup or placeholder plotlines GRRM has trudged around in for years.

Yeah, I'm liking this too. It makes the show sizzle a little hotter in most storylines.

[Brujah]

Im enjoying episodes where I'm not really sure what's happening next , especially the changes from series to tv. My wife, however, is all pissy. She doesn't like the change from the books from the use of a fake arya to using sansa instead.

[Brujah]

Terez, on 27 April 2015 - 04:39 AM, said:

Defiance, on 21 April 2015 - 12:16 AM, said:

Dadding, on 20 April 2015 - 08:17 PM, said:

QuickTidal, on 20 April 2015 - 06:12 PM, said:

Oh, and to those that may have seen all the leaked eps...is it true that...

Spoiler

the show (in the first few eps) comes right out and puts the R+L=Jon Snow debate to rest and says that yes Jon is indeed the product of Lyanna Stark's kidnap and rape by Rhaegar Targeryen? I've heard Littlefinger comes right out and explains it.

I've watched them and no, it doesn't say that ... unless I missed something.

Spoiler

Stannis (I think) mentions that it's unlikely Ned Stark would have slept with a serving wench or something, and hints at Jon having different parents, but that's about it

Spoiler

It definitely doesn't tell you. Littlefinger does tell the story of how Rhaegar gave a blue rose to Lyanna at the Harrenhal tourney, but that's it. That same story is told on a least one occasion in the books. However, this plus an offhand Stannis remark is the first time the show has really started planting the idea that Jon might have different parents. I do think there's a good chance we'll see a reveal this season.

I've watched all the leaked episodes, and so far I'm pretty happy with the direction the show is going. This season is still progressing a little slowly, but it's much better than the endless repetition of Dance.

About the only cut detail I really miss is the Greyjoy Uncles.

I am also liking the merging of plotlines. As for the spoilered bits above...no one got this quite right...

Spoiler

After Littlefinger tells the Harrenhal story, he says something about how many thousands died because Rhaegar chose Lyanna. Sansa then says, yes, he chose her, but then he kidnapped and raped her. Littlefinger appears to debate whether he should say something like, "Or so the story goes." But he doesn't say anything.

Much as I loved watching the eps early, I can't wait until next week's ep is done and I don't have to worry about spoilers any more. I only discuss the show on booknerd forums, so I never have to worry about book spoilers.

Personally, I've dismissed all the theories about Jon Snow's parents that do not include Ned Stark as his father. Right before Ned and Jon part ways before Jon heads north for the wall and Ned and Robert head to Kings landing, Ned tells Jon 'you night not have my name, but you do have my blood.' This is when Jon was asking Ned about who his mother was, and Ned promised to tell him when next they met.

I suppose Ned could have said this if Jon had Stark blood from any Stark, but he would have said something like 'you have Stark blood,' in my opinion, if it wasn't Ned himself.

I could be wrong.

[TheRetiredBridgeburner]

Abyss, on 28 April 2015 - 04:20 PM, said:

Agreed. They're just skipping so much of the interminable setup or placeholder plotlines GRRM has trudged around in for years.

Agreed. Some really sound improvements going on as a result.

On Jon's parentage - I'm in completely the opposite camp to you Brujah. I don't think there's even a slight chance Ned is his father, but at some point everyone will be proved either right or wrong, and that's part of the fun for me.

[Terez]

Where I'm from, "my blood" could mean a cousin or an aunt. He's talking about his sister; I don't see a contradiction.

[Abyss]

Terez, on 29 April 2015 - 04:42 AM, said:

Where I'm from, "my blood" could mean a cousin or an aunt. He's talking about his sister; I don't see a contradiction.

^ Agreed.