[Tapper]

Here.

I will admit I am a tiny bit confused by the whole focus on symps. A symp-hunt, as Shin said already, isn't going to prove anything unless we lynch the people the suspected symp symped, which is incredibly stupid. For one, it will create a beautiful environment for the real symp to work within.
Let it also be said that we're not even sure who the symp is.

But, I am at a loss on how to proceed.
HO explained satisfactory how and why he said what he said.

Remove vote

[Tapper]

There's one thing here, though. And that is ST. We know he killed Gnaw. We know the other killer killed him.

Now, there's several explanations.
1) the killer felt threatened by ST - we can verify this by looking at connections, as is being done now.
2) the killer picks off the player he holds in highest regard first - not a bad strategy;
3) the killer had a score to settle with ST (unlikely, since ST doesn't make enemies and is usually out of the game early on anyway);
4) the killer wants to clear his own timezone so he can safely interact with thread without immediate pressure/ replies. I'd say that we then need to look at the UK/CET zone, which includes Tatts, Messremb and myself.

Funnily enough, there's also the option of the killer picking the person who he thinks most likely to be town.

I lean towards Messremb over Tatts, but both seem possible. The reason why I think it might be Messremb is because he spent quite some time on comparing symping connections when that's futile.

[Messremb]

Tattersail_, on 02 July 2014 - 06:19 AM, said:

Back shortly,

@GH Messremb's signal to ST was more subtle than you think. He's a clever person and think he would hide that second player a lot better than the "obvious" play to frame me add his killer.

There's nothing I can do about the actions of others though. It Does look like he was signalling me.

One thing that goes in my favour is ST killing Gnaw. ST was obviously trying to put doubt my way by killing off the guy who voted for me.

Messremb has proper set me up with the penguin gifs and early buddying.

Brown-nosing much here Tatts? Trying to keep it in everyones mind how you're so obviously being set up to me says you're preparing the way to live unexpectedly "because scum are keeping you alive for WIFOM" rather than because you're actually the killer. I had you pegged as town till this post.

If I've called it right I am going to be so smug.

Shin, long day and was getting late, there is the chance I confused what I was aiming for. I'm still voting you though.

Back to bed, late start today.

[Tapper]

Tattersail_, on 02 July 2014 - 06:19 AM, said:

Back shortly,

@GH Messremb's signal to ST was more subtle than you think. He's a clever person and think he would hide that second player a lot better than the "obvious" play to frame me add his killer.

There's nothing I can do about the actions of others though. It Does look like he was signalling me.

One thing that goes in my favour is ST killing Gnaw. ST was obviously trying to put doubt my way by killing off the guy who voted for me.

Messremb has proper set me up with the penguin gifs and early buddying.

You are claiming things here as fact that are pure wifom. I really dislike that, and I support Messremb's reading of it as setting yourself up as being kept alive for wifom... that you created yourself.

[Tattersail_]

Tapper, on 02 July 2014 - 07:41 AM, said:

There's one thing here, though. And that is ST. We know he killed Gnaw. We know the other killer killed him.

Now, there's several explanations.
1) the killer felt threatened by ST - we can verify this by looking at connections, as is being done now.
2) the killer picks off the player he holds in highest regard first - not a bad strategy;
3) the killer had a score to settle with ST (unlikely, since ST doesn't make enemies and is usually out of the game early on anyway);
4) the killer wants to clear his own timezone so he can safely interact with thread without immediate pressure/ replies. I'd say that we then need to look at the UK/CET zone, which includes Tatts, Messremb and myself.

Funnily enough, there's also the option of the killer picking the person who he thinks most likely to be town.

I lean towards Messremb over Tatts, but both seem possible. The reason why I think it might be Messremb is because he spent quite some time on comparing symping connections when that's futile.

You berate me for use of wifom, when this whole post is directed at the night kill?


God damn it. Honestly, clear the way now. Lynch me, we have a lot more days to find the killer. I can call it from SH.

Top suspects from me, Messremb as symp. Fact. How can no one see it?

Okay ST has not posted..

Messremb, on 30 June 2014 - 07:16 PM, said:

I find this silence scummy.

Messremb, on 30 June 2014 - 07:51 PM, said:

Gnaw, on 30 June 2014 - 07:48 PM, said:

Remove Vote

Pressure vote. I don't think he's posted near enough content.

Vote Tatts

I'll counter that with a

Vote Sir Thursday

for being far too chatty.

Now come on. How does that not incriminate Messremb for a signal to ST.

I agree that Khell's perking up an subsequent attack on Messremb here,

Khellendros, on 30 June 2014 - 07:27 PM, said:

Messremb, on 30 June 2014 - 07:16 PM, said:

I find this silence scummy.

I find Mess' constant asides scummy.

Khellendros, on 30 June 2014 - 07:43 PM, said:

You're now pretending to be a rabbit? But everyone knows Messremb is a bear. So you're a bear hiding in rabbit's clothing. Ergo, scum pretending to be town.


Vote Messremb

So either Khell was the symp and Messremb was a killer, which can fly.

Or Messremb is the symp and Khell was unfortunate to get mixed up in these squabbles.

[Tattersail_]

At Tapper, Shin, Gust Hubb please all look at the last quote in this sequence and help me find ST's partner. I think it is the reason Messremb has been spamming the thread, so that we over look this...

HiddenOne, on 30 June 2014 - 08:38 PM, said:

Khell seems kind of quiet, football notwithstanding


Messremb, what's up - you getting any vibes off this lot yet?


@Unfound - I think everybody is screwing around Which one of GH & Azath is alarming to you?



I don't think Sir Thursday usually does much messing around

Now was there any interaction between HO and Messremb before the vote on ST?

Messremb, on 30 June 2014 - 03:18 PM, said:

HiddenOne, on 30 June 2014 - 03:14 PM, said:

at least he admitted it

Are we actually going to plan a town strategy, because I'm not sure that I remember doing that before.

I would like to note that this may be about to turn into serious business

Look out, HO has been possessed already. Poor attempt to stay in character there whoever you are, HO can't post more than a couple of sentences at a time!

Trying to get his attention?

Messremb direct quote to ST about what the symp needs to do..

Messremb, on 30 June 2014 - 10:49 PM, said:

Sir Thursday, on 30 June 2014 - 10:41 PM, said:

Alright, so I'm caught up. I notice Venge didn't put anything in the OP about the setup, I wonder if we can assume what he said in the signup thread is actually how he has distributed the roles (eg. unpaired killers + symp).

Also, it's refreshing how much more sensible everyone is when you can actually see who they all are. Much less messing about and deliberate misinterpretation, I like! I guess the shorter day has a way of focusing people's minds too.

ST

Assuming the setup is as said

Vengeance, on 28 June 2014 - 02:33 AM, said:

Ok how does this set up sound.

Two killers and a symp. The killers don't know each other but the symp knows both.

That should keep a high body count and give town some good chances to win. I may add in a town role as well.

Days will be 24 hours with 0 nights. Game should last 4 days tops. So just the week. Since it is going to be altless
meta is encouraged. If you have anyone on your list this is a good game to even the score.

Symp needs to be signalling his ass off. Everyone has checked in now so we at least have something to look over

Sir Thursday, on 30 June 2014 - 11:09 PM, said:

Azathmaster, on 30 June 2014 - 10:48 PM, said:

AHHHHH! HE'S SPREADING WIFOM!

Just kidding, that accusation didn't get scum last game.

But seriously, you and Messremb need different avatars, it's really messing with my head.

And I will be here for a few hours, all read up.

Messing with YOUR head? Imagine how I feel reading through the thread and suddenly finding a post that it looks like I wrote that I don't remember anything about!

But yeah, I know Venge is a big WIFOM fan but personally I tend to find people tend to be a bit too afraid of it. Especially in a game where nobody has license to be wilfully obtuse, I figure it's best to get the discussion out of the way early. To do well in Mafia as town involves knowing what you're looking for, and role spec done right can be a big help in that regard. For example, as Messremb points out, this setup lends itself to scum doing a lot more signalling than usual. That gives us something to work with.

ST

ST back to Messremb that he is on to him.

Then

Sir Thursday, on 01 July 2014 - 12:01 AM, said:

In fact, given the way Messremb has been spraying himself across the thread, I think I'll leave my vote where it is for now. In a normal game I'd applaud him for trying to create those interactions, but in a game where signalling is going to be paramount I feel like he could be trying to muddy the waters a bit. Consider this an upgrade from a joke vote to a 'slightly more serious, I'm about to go to bed now and feel better having left a vote down' type vote.

ST

ST saying that he does not know who his partner is.

Now this is the most interesting post of all, it must be a clue to the other killer...

Messremb, on 01 July 2014 - 08:20 AM, said:

Sir Thursday, on 30 June 2014 - 11:57 PM, said:

Messremb, on 30 June 2014 - 11:39 PM, said:

Just got to point out how you could be seen to be signalling Khell and AM with your first quoted posts here :pOh and avatar is back to normal

Why do you leave yourself out from that list? I've interacted with you just as much as the other two . Actually, you've been bouncing around an awful lot - when I read through I found you trying interact with at least half the players in the game:Tattersail - Post 84Hidden One - Post 86Gust Hubb - Post 97Inane Babble - Post 113Khellendros - Post 142Sir Thursday - Post 149Quite an impressive list, it must be said.ETA: X-Post with Messremb leaving for the night.

Aye, agreed - I make a terrible symp. How are my masters to tell who I am signalling their partner is from that? Sorry but if no-one interacts we're screwed.

Sir Thursday, on 01 July 2014 - 12:01 AM, said:

In fact, given the way Messremb has been spraying himself across the thread, I think I'll leave my vote where it is for now. In a normal game I'd applaud him for trying to create those interactions, but in a game where signalling is going to be paramount I feel like he could be trying to muddy the waters a bit. Consider this an upgrade from a joke vote to a 'slightly more serious, I'm about to go to bed now and feel better having left a vote down' type vote.ST

I guess this is a kick to me to go and look for technical interactions on thread? Not sure I have the time - 5 hours left maybe and I need to do some work at least. I will be around, just can't do too much when my boss sits behind me.

Please someone better than me at finding this sort of stuff, decipher the code and find the other scum.

[Tattersail_]

- 5 hours left? Is it that easy?

The list has Tattersail, HiddenOne, Gust Hubb, Inane Babble, Khellendros, Sir Thursday. - 5 from the left lands on HiddenOne

Vote Hidden One

[Messremb]

Tattersail_, on 02 July 2014 - 08:53 AM, said:

- 5 hours left? Is it that easy?

The list has Tattersail, HiddenOne, Gust Hubb, Inane Babble, Khellendros, Sir Thursday. - 5 from the left lands on HiddenOne

Vote Hidden One

You're stretching a bit here tatts.

Not to mention confusing left and right - which gives Khell who wasn't a killer.

Remove Vote

Vote Tattersail

As said before, brown nosing and trying to make himself look framed

[Messremb]

Messremb, on 02 July 2014 - 08:07 AM, said:

Brown-nosing much here Tatts? Trying to keep it in everyones mind how you're so obviously being set up to me says you're preparing the way to live unexpectedly "because scum are keeping you alive for WIFOM" rather than because you're actually the killer. I had you pegged as town till this post.

If I've called it right I am going to be so smug.

Shin, long day and was getting late, there is the chance I confused what I was aiming for. I'm still voting you though.

Back to bed, late start today.

For clarity, here I mean Shin

[Tattersail_]

Messremb, on 02 July 2014 - 08:59 AM, said:

Tattersail_, on 02 July 2014 - 08:53 AM, said:

- 5 hours left? Is it that easy?

The list has Tattersail, HiddenOne, Gust Hubb, Inane Babble, Khellendros, Sir Thursday. - 5 from the left lands on HiddenOne

Vote Hidden One

You're stretching a bit here tatts.

Not to mention confusing left and right - which gives Khell who wasn't a killer.

Remove Vote

Vote Tattersail

As said before, brown nosing and trying to make himself look framed

Strong reaction followed by a vote? Cha ching!

[Messremb]

Tattersail_, on 02 July 2014 - 09:03 AM, said:

Messremb, on 02 July 2014 - 08:59 AM, said:

Tattersail_, on 02 July 2014 - 08:53 AM, said:

- 5 hours left? Is it that easy?

The list has Tattersail, HiddenOne, Gust Hubb, Inane Babble, Khellendros, Sir Thursday. - 5 from the left lands on HiddenOne

Vote Hidden One

You're stretching a bit here tatts.

Not to mention confusing left and right - which gives Khell who wasn't a killer.

Remove Vote

Vote Tattersail

As said before, brown nosing and trying to make himself look framed

Strong reaction followed by a vote? Cha ching!

This is how Tatts thinks he is playing






When it actually more like

[Shinrei]

Tattersail_, on 02 July 2014 - 08:53 AM, said:

- 5 hours left? Is it that easy?

The list has Tattersail, HiddenOne, Gust Hubb, Inane Babble, Khellendros, Sir Thursday. - 5 from the left lands on HiddenOne

Vote Hidden One

That wasn't a bad bit of posting there Tatts, putting a rather possible spotlight on Mess. And with an opportunity to vote for HO? I'm in!

Vote HiddenOne

[Shinrei]

In all seriousness though, I'm willing to give the theory a try. We only have a little time left as well. I am willing to vote elsewhere if someone else comes up with a more stunning revelation. I'm not traveling today, so I should be around to switch.

[Messremb]

Shinrei, on 02 July 2014 - 09:19 AM, said:

In all seriousness though, I'm willing to give the theory a try. We only have a little time left as well. I am willing to vote elsewhere if someone else comes up with a more stunning revelation. I'm not traveling today, so I should be around to switch.

You're putting a lot of weight on Tatts' being unable to distinguish left from right.

[EmperorMagus]

I thought of Tattersail as scummy from the start, and I honestly think there is no way Messeremb could have signaled that ... ineptly?

Voter Tattersail

[Messremb]

Messremb, on 02 July 2014 - 09:26 AM, said:

Shinrei, on 02 July 2014 - 09:19 AM, said:

In all seriousness though, I'm willing to give the theory a try. We only have a little time left as well. I am willing to vote elsewhere if someone else comes up with a more stunning revelation. I'm not traveling today, so I should be around to switch.

You're putting a lot of weight on Tatts' being unable to distinguish left from right.

Seriously though, you have time to be around enough to switch, get and look at thread. Take a look at the me/ST interactions - did ST change towards other players after you think I established myself as symp? Goes for you too Tatts, you're around look harder. I'm buggered if I'm going to make more of a case for me being a symp, you think I am, you do what you can from that assumption.

[Messremb]

EmperorMagus, on 02 July 2014 - 09:27 AM, said:

I thought of Tattersail as scummy from the start, and I honestly think there is no way Messeremb could have signaled that ... ineptly?

Voter Tattersail

Thanks, I think


Oh no, am I signalling EM too?

[Inane Babble]

I haven't read anything from before or after the CFs that makes a tattersail lynch less beneficial (not the exact word to describe it, but as close as I can think of at the moment?), that is likely where I will end up voting

[Tattersail_]

Sorry but this is a case, and EM and now Inane has ignored it. EM you said you cannot see him being that overt yet he signalled me a lot more overt than that. Second of all, we would not be looking at those posts if HO did not kill ST, ST would know of his partner and this would have been a closer game. I am fine with being lynched, we need a lynch but when I am gone, HO should be next.

Tattersail_, on 02 July 2014 - 08:50 AM, said:

At Tapper, Shin, Gust Hubb please all look at the last quote in this sequence and help me find ST's partner. I think it is the reason Messremb has been spamming the thread, so that we over look this...

HiddenOne, on 30 June 2014 - 08:38 PM, said:

Khell seems kind of quiet, football notwithstanding


Messremb, what's up - you getting any vibes off this lot yet?


@Unfound - I think everybody is screwing around Which one of GH & Azath is alarming to you?



I don't think Sir Thursday usually does much messing around

Now was there any interaction between HO and Messremb before the vote on ST?

Messremb, on 30 June 2014 - 03:18 PM, said:

HiddenOne, on 30 June 2014 - 03:14 PM, said:

at least he admitted it

Are we actually going to plan a town strategy, because I'm not sure that I remember doing that before.

I would like to note that this may be about to turn into serious business

Look out, HO has been possessed already. Poor attempt to stay in character there whoever you are, HO can't post more than a couple of sentences at a time!

Trying to get his attention?

Messremb direct quote to ST about what the symp needs to do..

Messremb, on 30 June 2014 - 10:49 PM, said:

Sir Thursday, on 30 June 2014 - 10:41 PM, said:

Alright, so I'm caught up. I notice Venge didn't put anything in the OP about the setup, I wonder if we can assume what he said in the signup thread is actually how he has distributed the roles (eg. unpaired killers + symp).

Also, it's refreshing how much more sensible everyone is when you can actually see who they all are. Much less messing about and deliberate misinterpretation, I like! I guess the shorter day has a way of focusing people's minds too.

ST

Assuming the setup is as said

Vengeance, on 28 June 2014 - 02:33 AM, said:

Ok how does this set up sound.

Two killers and a symp. The killers don't know each other but the symp knows both.

That should keep a high body count and give town some good chances to win. I may add in a town role as well.

Days will be 24 hours with 0 nights. Game should last 4 days tops. So just the week. Since it is going to be altless
meta is encouraged. If you have anyone on your list this is a good game to even the score.

Symp needs to be signalling his ass off. Everyone has checked in now so we at least have something to look over

Sir Thursday, on 30 June 2014 - 11:09 PM, said:

Azathmaster, on 30 June 2014 - 10:48 PM, said:

AHHHHH! HE'S SPREADING WIFOM!

Just kidding, that accusation didn't get scum last game.

But seriously, you and Messremb need different avatars, it's really messing with my head.

And I will be here for a few hours, all read up.

Messing with YOUR head? Imagine how I feel reading through the thread and suddenly finding a post that it looks like I wrote that I don't remember anything about!

But yeah, I know Venge is a big WIFOM fan but personally I tend to find people tend to be a bit too afraid of it. Especially in a game where nobody has license to be wilfully obtuse, I figure it's best to get the discussion out of the way early. To do well in Mafia as town involves knowing what you're looking for, and role spec done right can be a big help in that regard. For example, as Messremb points out, this setup lends itself to scum doing a lot more signalling than usual. That gives us something to work with.

ST

ST back to Messremb that he is on to him.

Then

Sir Thursday, on 01 July 2014 - 12:01 AM, said:

In fact, given the way Messremb has been spraying himself across the thread, I think I'll leave my vote where it is for now. In a normal game I'd applaud him for trying to create those interactions, but in a game where signalling is going to be paramount I feel like he could be trying to muddy the waters a bit. Consider this an upgrade from a joke vote to a 'slightly more serious, I'm about to go to bed now and feel better having left a vote down' type vote.

ST

ST saying that he does not know who his partner is.

Now this is the most interesting post of all, it must be a clue to the other killer...

Messremb, on 01 July 2014 - 08:20 AM, said:

Sir Thursday, on 30 June 2014 - 11:57 PM, said:

Messremb, on 30 June 2014 - 11:39 PM, said:

Just got to point out how you could be seen to be signalling Khell and AM with your first quoted posts here :pOh and avatar is back to normal

Why do you leave yourself out from that list? I've interacted with you just as much as the other two . Actually, you've been bouncing around an awful lot - when I read through I found you trying interact with at least half the players in the game:Tattersail - Post 84Hidden One - Post 86Gust Hubb - Post 97Inane Babble - Post 113Khellendros - Post 142Sir Thursday - Post 149Quite an impressive list, it must be said.ETA: X-Post with Messremb leaving for the night.

Aye, agreed - I make a terrible symp. How are my masters to tell who I am signalling their partner is from that? Sorry but if no-one interacts we're screwed.

Sir Thursday, on 01 July 2014 - 12:01 AM, said:

In fact, given the way Messremb has been spraying himself across the thread, I think I'll leave my vote where it is for now. In a normal game I'd applaud him for trying to create those interactions, but in a game where signalling is going to be paramount I feel like he could be trying to muddy the waters a bit. Consider this an upgrade from a joke vote to a 'slightly more serious, I'm about to go to bed now and feel better having left a vote down' type vote.ST

I guess this is a kick to me to go and look for technical interactions on thread? Not sure I have the time - 5 hours left maybe and I need to do some work at least. I will be around, just can't do too much when my boss sits behind me.

Please someone better than me at finding this sort of stuff, decipher the code and find the other scum.

Tattersail_, on 02 July 2014 - 08:53 AM, said:

- 5 hours left? Is it that easy?

The list has Tattersail, HiddenOne, Gust Hubb, Inane Babble, Khellendros, Sir Thursday. - 5 from the left lands on HiddenOne

Vote Hidden One

[Tattersail_]

3 hours left by my estimation but I am not sure, I had it wrong yesterday.