[Shinrei]

Tattersail_, on 01 July 2014 - 02:09 PM, said:

Yes, well, regarding we did lynch Khell, so far I am the best candidate for ST's partner due to Messremb's posts.

Regarding Messremb, he obviously has signalled ST due to the whole "silence is scummy", vote for ST for being chatty etc, he is a clever player, as no one picked up his signals. He also set up both Azath and Khell by using ST's quotes as a case.

Or you're the symp, and trying to get us to fixate on Messremb as symp. We lynch him, get no info whether symp or RI. We lynch you, get no info whether symp or RI.

Symp hunting is just another wifom filled thread. Stop it.

[Tattersail_]

Messremb, on 01 July 2014 - 08:20 AM, said:

Sir Thursday, on 30 June 2014 - 11:57 PM, said:

Messremb, on 30 June 2014 - 11:39 PM, said:

Just got to point out how you could be seen to be signalling Khell and AM with your first quoted posts here :pOh and avatar is back to normal

Why do you leave yourself out from that list? I've interacted with you just as much as the other two . Actually, you've been bouncing around an awful lot - when I read through I found you trying interact with at least half the players in the game:Tattersail - Post 84Hidden One - Post 86Gust Hubb - Post 97Inane Babble - Post 113Khellendros - Post 142Sir Thursday - Post 149Quite an impressive list, it must be said.ETA: X-Post with Messremb leaving for the night.

Aye, agreed - I make a terrible symp. How are my masters to tell who I am signalling their partner is from that? Sorry but if no-one interacts we're screwed.

Sir Thursday, on 01 July 2014 - 12:01 AM, said:

In fact, given the way Messremb has been spraying himself across the thread, I think I'll leave my vote where it is for now. In a normal game I'd applaud him for trying to create those interactions, but in a game where signalling is going to be paramount I feel like he could be trying to muddy the waters a bit. Consider this an upgrade from a joke vote to a 'slightly more serious, I'm about to go to bed now and feel better having left a vote down' type vote.ST

I guess this is a kick to me to go and look for technical interactions on thread? Not sure I have the time - 5 hours left maybe and I need to do some work at least. I will be around, just can't do too much when my boss sits behind me.

[Tattersail_]

Shinrei, on 01 July 2014 - 02:15 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 01 July 2014 - 02:09 PM, said:

Yes, well, regarding we did lynch Khell, so far I am the best candidate for ST's partner due to Messremb's posts.

Regarding Messremb, he obviously has signalled ST due to the whole "silence is scummy", vote for ST for being chatty etc, he is a clever player, as no one picked up his signals. He also set up both Azath and Khell by using ST's quotes as a case.

Or you're the symp, and trying to get us to fixate on Messremb as symp. We lynch him, get no info whether symp or RI. We lynch you, get no info whether symp or RI.

Symp hunting is just another wifom filled thread. Stop it.

read that next post.
He is the symp.

I am looking for his other master.

Remove Vote

[Khellendros]

Am I lynched?

[Vengeance]

Khellendros, on 01 July 2014 - 02:35 PM, said:

Am I lynched?

Your dead check your PM's.

[HiddenOne]

Tapper, on 01 July 2014 - 01:32 PM, said:

HiddenOne, on 01 July 2014 - 01:19 PM, said:

I'd have to say that sucks

Odd reply when scum goes down? At the least you need to clarify.

Vote HiddenOne

sorry, Tapper
I was referring to the lack of CF on Khell and two apparent deaths. As I was in scan mode while preoccupied, I fell for Venge's little trick and did not see the ST was scum until later comments on thread pointed it out

[HiddenOne]

Inane Babble, on 01 July 2014 - 01:27 PM, said:

Messremb, on 01 July 2014 - 01:03 PM, said:

Inane Babble, on 01 July 2014 - 01:02 PM, said:

Shinrei, on 01 July 2014 - 01:01 PM, said:

What the fuck. I thought I had like, 2 more hours.

Yeah, 24 hour days are really short

Yay the air is sweet

You seem rather sure about not having gotten NK'd.

Before anyone brings this up I will try to nip this in the bud here. With that info from night we know now that killers were not aware of who the other was. If I was a better player or scum I would have still been worried about getting NKed. But I simply forgot in my jubilation of being alive.

I can believe this, you seemed to be getting nervous

[HiddenOne]

Tattersail_, on 01 July 2014 - 02:20 PM, said:

Shinrei, on 01 July 2014 - 02:15 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 01 July 2014 - 02:09 PM, said:

Yes, well, regarding we did lynch Khell, so far I am the best candidate for ST's partner due to Messremb's posts.

Regarding Messremb, he obviously has signalled ST due to the whole "silence is scummy", vote for ST for being chatty etc, he is a clever player, as no one picked up his signals. He also set up both Azath and Khell by using ST's quotes as a case.

Or you're the symp, and trying to get us to fixate on Messremb as symp. We lynch him, get no info whether symp or RI. We lynch you, get no info whether symp or RI.

Symp hunting is just another wifom filled thread. Stop it.

read that next post.
He is the symp.

I am looking for his other master.

Remove Vote

I have been thinking that Mess seems off this game, ie, could be scummy, but that could just be because of the unalted thing, it add another element to the game.

[Tattersail_]

Who's gone quiet since the CF of scum came up eh? That is a tell right there.

[The Unfound]

Tattersail_, on 01 July 2014 - 02:46 PM, said:

Who's gone quiet since the CF of scum came up eh? That is a tell right there.

Seeminly everyone lol. I think I might explore the AM connection a little. I will post my results later as I dont have time to go into detail right now.

[Inane Babble]

The Unfound, on 01 July 2014 - 03:02 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 01 July 2014 - 02:46 PM, said:

Who's gone quiet since the CF of scum came up eh? That is a tell right there.

Seeminly everyone lol. I think I might explore the AM connection a little. I will post my results later as I dont have time to go into detail right now.

There was a drop off after EOD but that's normal, the frenzy of trying to get a lynch and dealing with the fallout then people remember they have jobs

Not convinced that tattersail isn't being very vocal in this in an effort to make himself sound as town as possible while people are looking at him.

[HiddenOne]

So every body is in agreement that there is not going to be any CF for town members?

[Messremb]

Vengeance, on 01 July 2014 - 01:15 PM, said:

We time out at 8 am chicago time. When I am at work and can resolve.


As you stood there the window light up as lightening threaded the sky like a million flash bulbs going off. For a second you felt as though you were famous and that the entire world wanted to take your picture as you peed. It was with a little bit of disappointment that you zipped up and went back into the night.


Gnaw died he was considered mildly brilliant if not a bit erratic at times. His thoughtful analysis will be missed in the days to come.


Sir Thursday died. His brilliance finally caught up with him. Those who fly to closely to the sun end up smashed into a cliff...oh wait... It says here that he was scum.



It is now day 2

23 hours and 45 minutes remaining

Still alive
AzathMaster, EM,GH, HO,Inane Babble ,Messem,Shinrei, Tatt's, Tapper, The Unfound


Votes none.

Ahhahhaahhahahahahahaaaaaaaa

I had been tempted previously to comment about Sir Thurs' spate of N1 deaths, I'm glad I didn't not - may have tipped the other killer not to go there. Or perhaps that is why they did, thinking how everyone would take it.

So, I'm suspected as a symp. If someone can summarise why I'm a symp (that goes beyond the avatar swapping that I so would not have done had I known he was scum) it'd be greatly appreciated. Boss is away, just got her deputy in the office now.

[Messremb]

Shinrei, on 01 July 2014 - 02:15 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 01 July 2014 - 02:09 PM, said:

Yes, well, regarding we did lynch Khell, so far I am the best candidate for ST's partner due to Messremb's posts.

Regarding Messremb, he obviously has signalled ST due to the whole "silence is scummy", vote for ST for being chatty etc, he is a clever player, as no one picked up his signals. He also set up both Azath and Khell by using ST's quotes as a case.

Or you're the symp, and trying to get us to fixate on Messremb as symp. We lynch him, get no info whether symp or RI. We lynch you, get no info whether symp or RI.

Symp hunting is just another wifom filled thread. Stop it.

I dislike this. WIFOM? Maybe, but potentially also if they have signalled it is *the* big clue to who else is scum. We have all of Day 1 to look at interactions with Sir T and draw up some suspects.

Of course the symp may not have signalled on D1, as can be seen now they should have done. I'm going to work on the basis there is signalling (even if the other killer missed it) until we've exhausted that direction. Who could have been signalling and who else could they have been seen as signalling; this will give us a list of alts as potentials which as a matter of course incluses those that are not potentials - ones to take a look if we consider the posibility the symp was deliberately avoiding signalling.

So I think symp hunting is actually a great course of action to do here, sorry Shin.

And yes, in hindsight my actions do look suspicious. Sucks to be me.

[Messremb]

So;

Page 1:
Nothing to do with him

Page 2: Nothing

Page 3:I was hoping for nice bits here, alas dissapointed. (google page 3 anyone who thinks I'm signalling)

Page 4:My vote of Sir Thursday.

Context:

Gnaw, on 30 June 2014 - 07:48 PM, said:

Remove Vote

Pressure vote. I don't think he's posted near enough content.

Vote Tatts

The now dead Gnaw votes Tatts for not posting enough content. As this is posted Tatts has 33 posts, more than twice the nearest. I take this as an ironic gensture and respond in similar vein

Messremb, on 30 June 2014 - 07:51 PM, said:

Gnaw, on 30 June 2014 - 07:48 PM, said:

Remove Vote

Pressure vote. I don't think he's posted near enough content.

Vote Tatts

I'll counter that with a

Vote Sir Thursday

for being far too chatty.

Sir T has at this point not even checked in - although we are only a 6? hours into the game

Next mention comes from HO

HiddenOne, on 30 June 2014 - 08:38 PM, said:

Khell seems kind of quiet, football notwithstanding


Messremb, what's up - you getting any vibes off this lot yet?


@Unfound - I think everybody is screwing around Which one of GH & Azath is alarming to you?



I don't think Sir Thursday usually does much messing around

First post from ST

Sir Thursday, on 30 June 2014 - 09:26 PM, said:

Right, let's play! I can already tell I'm going to struggle this game - without the comforting cocoon of alts it's so much harder to keep it straight who posted what. Your avatars are too similar to each other, I demand that you change them to something more distinctive!

But yeah, I've had a skim to see if I missed anything important, now I'd better clothe myself and get to reading up properly.

ST

Bear in mind he knows no-one but probably suspects I'm his symp if he's read thread. This is also the post that triggered me changing avatar - to STs own poop-watching one for an hour or so. Clothe himself? at 10:26pm UK time? That's either a seriously screwed shift or he's trying to set up a line for a symp to respond to.

Page 5:
Action starts.

Messremb, on 30 June 2014 - 10:04 PM, said:

Sir Thursday, on 30 June 2014 - 09:26 PM, said:

Right, let's play! I can already tell I'm going to struggle this game - without the comforting cocoon of alts it's so much harder to keep it straight who posted what. Your avatars are too similar to each other, I demand that you change them to something more distinctive!

But yeah, I've had a skim to see if I missed anything important, now I'd better clothe myself and get to reading up properly.

ST

Welcome along.

Remove Vote

Sir T shows up so I remove my vote. Avatar is chaged at this point

Sir Thursday, on 30 June 2014 - 10:32 PM, said:

Ahhh! Ahhhh! What have you done!?

Vote Messremb

You can't imitate me and hope to get away with it.

^Votes me for havingt he same avatar. Note if he is scum he shouldn't put too much pressure on me if he thinks I'm his symp because I need to let him know who the other is.

Sir Thursday, on 30 June 2014 - 10:41 PM, said:

Alright, so I'm caught up. I notice Venge didn't put anything in the OP about the setup, I wonder if we can assume what he said in the signup thread is actually how he has distributed the roles (eg. unpaired killers + symp).

Also, it's refreshing how much more sensible everyone is when you can actually see who they all are. Much less messing about and deliberate misinterpretation, I like! I guess the shorter day has a way of focusing people's minds too.

ST

I discount any possibly signalling from Sir Thurs because he knows no-one to signal to, doesn't mean he can't as I mentioned before set up something for a symp to bite on.

Messremb, on 30 June 2014 - 10:49 PM, said:

Sir Thursday, on 30 June 2014 - 10:41 PM, said:

Alright, so I'm caught up. I notice Venge didn't put anything in the OP about the setup, I wonder if we can assume what he said in the signup thread is actually how he has distributed the roles (eg. unpaired killers + symp).

Also, it's refreshing how much more sensible everyone is when you can actually see who they all are. Much less messing about and deliberate misinterpretation, I like! I guess the shorter day has a way of focusing people's minds too.

ST

Assuming the setup is as said

Vengeance, on 28 June 2014 - 02:33 AM, said:

Ok how does this set up sound.

Two killers and a symp. The killers don't know each other but the symp knows both.

That should keep a high body count and give town some good chances to win. I may add in a town role as well.

Days will be 24 hours with 0 nights. Game should last 4 days tops. So just the week. Since it is going to be altless
meta is encouraged. If you have anyone on your list this is a good game to even the score.

Symp needs to be signalling his ass off. Everyone has checked in now so we at least have something to look over

Azathmaster, on 30 June 2014 - 10:48 PM, said:

Sir Thursday, on 30 June 2014 - 10:41 PM, said:

Alright, so I'm caught up. I notice Venge didn't put anything in the OP about the setup, I wonder if we can assume what he said in the signup thread is actually how he has distributed the roles (eg. unpaired killers + symp).

Also, it's refreshing how much more sensible everyone is when you can actually see who they all are. Much less messing about and deliberate misinterpretation, I like! I guess the shorter day has a way of focusing people's minds too.

ST

AHHHHH! HE'S SPREADING WIFOM!

Just kidding, that accusation didn't get scum last game.

But seriously, you and Messremb need different avatars, it's really messing with my head.

And I will be here for a few hours, all read up.

Were AM a symp I'd say this points to us being the two killers, convenient that AM was around at the right time - though unalted it is easier to place peoples timezones and be on around when they are.

Shinrei, on 30 June 2014 - 10:57 PM, said:

Messremb, change that avatar! I didn't realize it was you and not ST until this page. I was all ready to vote for ST because he was acting not like ST at all.

Right now, I'm leaning towards an Inane Babble vote, for the possible signalling, or a Tattersail vote, because we should kill the wifom (town or no) right away. What wifom do you ask? Have you SEEN his last two or three games?

Or HO. Always.

Shin commenting on STs play - symp subtly saying well done?



Running out of time atm, will resume later. Post 168 is next if anyone else wants to look

Edit:post number chaged from 177 to 168 as too many quotes

This post has been edited by Messremb: 01 July 2014 - 04:50 PM

[Vengeance]

It is now day 2

19 hours and 40 minutes remaining

Still alive
AzathMaster, EM,GH, HO,Inane Babble ,Messem,Shinrei, Tatt's, Tapper, The Unfound


1 vote for Messremb (Tatts)
1 vote for HiddenOne (Tapper)



Not voted

The rest

[Messremb]

Shinrei, on 30 June 2014 - 11:17 PM, said:

Sir Thursday, on 30 June 2014 - 11:02 PM, said:

OK, here's something interesting.

Khellendros shows here that he thinks the setup to be as laid out by Venge in the sign-up thread. That's fair enough, I'm making the same assumption.

Khellendros, on 30 June 2014 - 03:14 PM, said:

Actually, having asked myself this very question, it turns out that I am twice as awesome as that guy. Exactly twice.

For one thing, I have a sensibly short haircut. And just like how being a geek is now cool, sensible short is now awesome.



Also, by the by, Inane and HO are scum, Tatts is the symp. Unless we think Tatts' "stick with me kid" was just too on the nose for a signalling attempt?

But then, he feigns ignorance as to the state of the game:

Khellendros, on 30 June 2014 - 03:22 PM, said:

We've got...four days WCS. Is that right?

Given that he has clearly read the SUT (since he has an opinion that matches how Venge laid out the scum distribution there), he should know that Venge mentioned two unpaired killers each with their own kill, plus a symp. So WCS in that scenario is actually that Day 3 is D-Day (1 lynch + 2NKs per day).

So what's the deal? Is he playing dumb in the second post for some reason?

A case on Khell? What if I refuse to vote for Khell on the grounds that he has never harmed Town's chances of winning in any...

oh what the hell am I saying?

Remove Vote
Vote Khell

Shin is quite happy to jump on a "joke" vote.

Messremb, on 30 June 2014 - 11:39 PM, said:

Sir Thursday, on 30 June 2014 - 11:02 PM, said:

OK, here's something interesting.Khellendros shows here that he thinks the setup to be as laid out by Venge in the sign-up thread. That's fair enough, I'm making the same assumption.

Khellendros, on 30 June 2014 - 03:14 PM, said:

Actually, having asked myself this very question, it turns out that I am twice as awesome as that guy. Exactly twice. For one thing, I have a sensibly short haircut. And just like how being a geek is now cool, sensible short is now awesome. Also, by the by, Inane and HO are scum, Tatts is the symp. Unless we think Tatts' "stick with me kid" was just too on the nose for a signalling attempt?

But then, he feigns ignorance as to the state of the game:

Khellendros, on 30 June 2014 - 03:22 PM, said:

We've got...four days WCS. Is that right?

Given that he has clearly read the SUT (since he has an opinion that matches how Venge laid out the scum distribution there), he should know that Venge mentioned two unpaired killers each with their own kill, plus a symp. So WCS in that scenario is actually that Day 3 is D-Day (1 lynch + 2NKs per day).So what's the deal? Is he playing dumb in the second post for some reason?

Sir Thursday, on 30 June 2014 - 11:09 PM, said:

Azathmaster, on 30 June 2014 - 10:48 PM, said:

AHHHHH! HE'S SPREADING WIFOM!Just kidding, that accusation didn't get scum last game. But seriously, you and Messremb need different avatars, it's really messing with my head.And I will be here for a few hours, all read up.

Messing with YOUR head? Imagine how I feel reading through the thread and suddenly finding a post that it looks like I wrote that I don't remember anything about! :pBut yeah, I know Venge is a big WIFOM fan but personally I tend to find people tend to be a bit too afraid of it. Especially in a game where nobody has license to be wilfully obtuse, I figure it's best to get the discussion out of the way early. To do well in Mafia as town involves knowing what you're looking for, and role spec done right can be a big help in that regard. For example, as Messremb points out, this setup lends itself to scum doing a lot more signalling than usual. That gives us something to work with.ST

Just got to point out how you could be seen to be signalling Khell and AM with your first quoted posts here

Oh and avatar is back to normal

My previously pointed out potential signalling from Sir T - in hindsight probably nonsense given that he was a killer not a symp.

Sir Thursday, on 30 June 2014 - 11:57 PM, said:

Messremb, on 30 June 2014 - 11:39 PM, said:

Just got to point out how you could be seen to be signalling Khell and AM with your first quoted posts here

Oh and avatar is back to normal

Why do you leave yourself out from that list? I've interacted with you just as much as the other two . Actually, you've been bouncing around an awful lot - when I read through I found you trying interact with at least half the players in the game:

Tattersail - Post 84
Hidden One - Post 86
Gust Hubb - Post 97
Inane Babble - Post 113
Khellendros - Post 142
Sir Thursday - Post 149

Quite an impressive list, it must be said.

ETA: X-Post with Messremb leaving for the night.

Curious he goes tot he length of looking up who I'm interacting with but doesn't make a case. Also curious he went for Gnaw after this but that's WIFOM as to if he was trying to tie me to alts or not.

Sir Thursday, on 01 July 2014 - 12:01 AM, said:

In fact, given the way Messremb has been spraying himself across the thread, I think I'll leave my vote where it is for now. In a normal game I'd applaud him for trying to create those interactions, but in a game where signalling is going to be paramount I feel like he could be trying to muddy the waters a bit. Consider this an upgrade from a joke vote to a 'slightly more serious, I'm about to go to bed now and feel better having left a vote down' type vote.

ST

Slightly more serious because it is affecting his ability to spot a symp signalling him?

Khellendros, on 01 July 2014 - 01:03 AM, said:

After this there's also the possible penguin giffing as signalling to Azath, as brought up by Gust. That could be another avenue to go down.

Finally:

[u]Sir Thursday[/u], on 30 June 2014 - 11:02 PM, said:

OK, here's something interesting.

Khellendros shows here that he thinks the setup to be as laid out by Venge in the sign-up thread. That's fair enough, I'm making the same assumption.

Khellendros, on 30 June 2014 - 03:14 PM, said:

Actually, having asked myself this very question, it turns out that I am twice as awesome as that guy. Exactly twice.

For one thing, I have a sensibly short haircut. And just like how being a geek is now cool, sensible short is now awesome.



Also, by the by, Inane and HO are scum, Tatts is the symp. Unless we think Tatts' "stick with me kid" was just too on the nose for a signalling attempt?

But then, he feigns ignorance as to the state of the game:

Khellendros, on 30 June 2014 - 03:22 PM, said:

We've got...four days WCS. Is that right?

Given that he has clearly read the SUT (since he has an opinion that matches how Venge laid out the scum distribution there), he should know that Venge mentioned two unpaired killers each with their own kill, plus a symp. So WCS in that scenario is actually that Day 3 is D-Day (1 lynch + 2NKs per day).

So what's the deal? Is he playing dumb in the second post for some reason?

Actually I asked because my maths is infamously terrible and I wanted to check. So in fact I'd still like confirmation on that question.


So I have Tatts, Unfound, Inane, HO, Azath, and let's throw in Messremb in there too. There's also the lingering suspicion that while Tatts might be a symp, he could also be leading us down the wrong trails, such has been the apparent obviousness of the signalling, if indeed that is what it is. For that reason, I have doubts about whether to go down that route.

Hmm, HO's been asking a fair few questions of people, what do you think about this, why do say this about that. Questions but few opinions.

Quotes may be broken in the above. I figure this is Khell/ST signalling

Messremb, on 01 July 2014 - 08:20 AM, said:

Aye, agreed - I make a terrible symp. How are my masters to tell who I am signalling their partner is from that? Sorry but if no-one interacts we're screwed.

Sir Thursday, on 01 July 2014 - 12:01 AM, said:

In fact, given the way Messremb has been spraying himself across the thread, I think I'll leave my vote where it is for now. In a normal game I'd applaud him for trying to create those interactions, but in a game where signalling is going to be paramount I feel like he could be trying to muddy the waters a bit. Consider this an upgrade from a joke vote to a 'slightly more serious, I'm about to go to bed now and feel better having left a vote down' type vote.ST

I guess this is a kick to me to go and look for technical interactions on thread? Not sure I have the time - 5 hours left maybe and I need to do some work at least. I will be around, just can't do too much when my boss sits behind me.

My reaction to ST.


Page 6:

Sir Thursday, on 01 July 2014 - 09:58 AM, said:

Morning all. Will do some reading up, but I'm at work so I can't be as thorough as I'd like.

ST returns today.



Note: whoever decided on the quote limit is a numpty.

[Messremb]

Sir Thursday, on 01 July 2014 - 10:09 AM, said:

Tatts' thought dump makes me a little suspicious of him. In particular, the logic in this section seems especially tortuous:

Tattersail_, on 01 July 2014 - 09:26 AM, said:

Gust Hubb could be signalling EM and Khells here;

Gust Hubb, on 30 June 2014 - 03:40 PM, said:

Messremb, on 30 June 2014 - 03:39 PM, said:

Gust Hubb, on 30 June 2014 - 03:37 PM, said:

Here.

So with the subtitle, I must ask, were the roles given out randomly? If not, maybe Vengance had a moment of kindness and gave us the most lynch-able people as scum.

Who do you consider to be most lynchable just for who they are?

Easy. Tatts, EM, and Khells.

he puts them in this order so that if and when I am lynched the second two would be a harder lynch in future, he can piggy back off my CF to move away from the other two.

We do have to be wary when one person puts more than one alt in their posts.

Again, say he first 3, ie EM, Khell and I, are all duds, then his next post is interesting

Gust Hubb, on 30 June 2014 - 03:43 PM, said:

I don't think I've ever played with The Unfound nor Inane Babble (however much IB has been a conversation started in previous games). This should be interesting in that regard. I guess the best bet is to look at people, remember their playstyle, and try to judge if they are any different than before. Also, I feel like those that usually try to signal when they are scum should be given additional scrutiny, especially by those with code cracking abilities.

If either Inane or Unfound come up scum then this is one post that we can look back to for the other killer.

So the first one is a dud, but the second one has merit. On what basis? Well Tatts is mentioned in the first one so that can't be valid, right? And if it is, then it's a signal to the other two. Not buying it - claiming (or implying, as Tatts does here) one is innocent does not make it so.

ST

Puts a quick bit of work in, nicely establishin the normal ST baseline of coherent thoughts.

Tattersail_, on 01 July 2014 - 10:13 AM, said:

ST I am most probably voting Khell at the moment, and there is something else you should be addressing. Are you saying that there is something there in the first 3 names? The difference I see in the post by Gust Hubb, is the way he uses abbreviations for us, but uses their full names, or he only addresses two people in his next post not 3. We are looking for 2 killers being lumped together, not 3.

Tatts response to ST

Inane Babble, on 01 July 2014 - 10:20 AM, said:

Sir Thursday, on 01 July 2014 - 10:09 AM, said:

So the first one is a dud, but the second one has merit. On what basis? Well Tatts is mentioned in the first one so that can't be valid, right? And if it is, then it's a signal to the other two. Not buying it - claiming (or implying, as Tatts does here) one is innocent does not make it so.

ST

Ok this is the kind of thing I can get behind. Does anyone else not just think it is incredibly unlikely that the 2 green players out of 13 would be picked as scum, but also that it is an extreme reach to try and point fingers at someone (or multiple people in this case) for simply stating the fact that they haven't yet played with 2 new players?

IB agrees with him.

Sir Thursday, on 01 July 2014 - 10:21 AM, said:

Inane Babble, on 01 July 2014 - 10:04 AM, said:

After losing town the game just a few days ago due to quick voting I suppose I can't disagree with people not wanting to rush into a lynch

OK, but in that case why were you rushing to put a vote down on Khell? Surely your experiences last game should have taught you to know better? Your vote following quickly on the heels of Tapper's is the most 'classically scummy'* thing I've seen so far this game.


*Although given how poorly town has been doing in recent games, perhaps we should be reevaluating whether such metrics are actually good ones for scum hunting.

Defending who he thinks is his symp?

Inane Babble, on 01 July 2014 - 10:34 AM, said:

Sir Thursday, on 01 July 2014 - 10:21 AM, said:

OK, but in that case why were you rushing to put a vote down on Khell? Surely your experiences last game should have taught you to know better? Your vote following quickly on the heels of Tapper's is the most 'classically scummy'* thing I've seen so far this game.


*Although given how poorly town has been doing in recent games, perhaps we should be reevaluating whether such metrics are actually good ones for scum hunting.

Or maybe the context of the current game and the context of the last time are different and call for different responses. With the 24 hour day we are quickly approaching night and need a lynch. Previous game the day had just started and I was manipulated into voting quickly against my better judgement. Apples and oranges here I think. I am not sure that a 30 minute delay counts as "rushing" and Khells potential slip is a better reason to lynch than possible signalling imo.

Gust Hubb, on 01 July 2014 - 11:31 AM, said:

Shinrei, on 01 July 2014 - 09:52 AM, said:

Um...ok. Other than what Gusty posted on the original vote noting the "speak of the devil" nature of AM popping up...what's got people wanting to vote him? I just did a really fast read up, because I have to hit the road in 5 minutes, but I didn't see any obvious accusations. Did I miss something?

For me, it was Tatts' use of pictures and seeking out the two pics that were different than all the others (i.e. the animals versus the people). With Mess also highlighting the penguin and wanting to give rep, I realized how glaring the picture connection could be, and assumed that the connection was either based on avatars (Mess and Azathmaster) or at whom the pictures were directed (IB and HO).

So actually, I guess you could say the picture connection puts 4 separate individuals under suspicion. But I was leaning toward avatar based ones, especially with Mess switching his avatar with Sir Thursday's, again bringing animal avatar to our attention. Plus, both Azath and Mess never change those avatars (at least not within the last year), so Mess changing avatars, even jokingly, is a big deal.

All that being said, I would lean toward any of the four mentioned, although Mess and Azath seem more probable to me. But since IB is also connected to a signalling case with me, and has traction, I would like to see at least that air clearing my name.

Gust included for completeness as the last (I think) mention of ST.

So, I have either Shin or Khell pegged as symp. Would someone else mind looking at them and seeing who they could have been also signalling to?

[Messremb]

We're nearly ¼ of the ay through Day, people please contribute

[The Unfound]

So in trying to look down a new avenue Iooked into and Azath-ST connection. Its extremely tenuous given that AM hasnt posted in almost 20 hours, which I find scummy in and of itself really.

Azathmaster, on 30 June 2014 - 01:48 PM, said:

Vote Gusty

I still haven't forgiven you

Azathmaster, on 30 June 2014 - 01:49 PM, said:

Oh and im here and checking in

Quotes AM in one of his first post and mentions Mess

Sir Thursday, on 30 June 2014 - 11:09 PM, said:

Azathmaster, on 30 June 2014 - 10:48 PM, said:

AHHHHH! HE'S SPREADING WIFOM!

Just kidding, that accusation didn't get scum last game.

But seriously, you and Messremb need different avatars, it's really messing with my head.

And I will be here for a few hours, all read up.

Messing with YOUR head? Imagine how I feel reading through the thread and suddenly finding a post that it looks like I wrote that I don't remember anything about!

But yeah, I know Venge is a big WIFOM fan but personally I tend to find people tend to be a bit too afraid of it. Especially in a game where nobody has license to be wilfully obtuse, I figure it's best to get the discussion out of the way early. To do well in Mafia as town involves knowing what you're looking for, and role spec done right can be a big help in that regard. For example, as Messremb points out, this setup lends itself to scum doing a lot more signalling than usual. That gives us something to work with.

ST

Then he quotes Mess

Sir Thursday, on 30 June 2014 - 11:57 PM, said:

Messremb, on 30 June 2014 - 11:39 PM, said:

Just got to point out how you could be seen to be signalling Khell and AM with your first quoted posts here

Oh and avatar is back to normal

Why do you leave yourself out from that list? I've interacted with you just as much as the other two . Actually, you've been bouncing around an awful lot - when I read through I found you trying interact with at least half the players in the game:

Tattersail - Post 84
Hidden One - Post 86
Gust Hubb - Post 97
Inane Babble - Post 113
Khellendros - Post 142
Sir Thursday - Post 149

Quite an impressive list, it must be said.

ETA: X-Post with Messremb leaving for the night.

So I actually didnt find much. But then again the signalling aspect of everything has my head spinning a little. AM still peaks my interest but either I just cant put the pieces together correctly or its because of the lack of content from him that there isnt any REALLY compelling evidence