[Tattersail_]

Inane Babble, on 01 July 2014 - 11:06 AM, said:

Tattersail_, on 01 July 2014 - 11:01 AM, said:

EmperorMagus, on 01 July 2014 - 10:30 AM, said:

Read up.
I'm going to vote IB right now but I will be available later to switch if needed.
I'm just hoping that we can eliminate one of the two chief suspects today (meaning get a lynch on either IB or Khell) so we won't have a repeat of day1 tomorrow.
Even if we lynch incorrectly (which is far more probable than lynching scum) we have a lot of useful interaction with/about both of them so the day will not be wasted.

Vote Inane Babble

Is this in case Khell comes up scum and that you may be related to him in some way? Out of Inane and Unfound, Unfound is acting/looking the scummiest but they are linked together.

What do you make of Messremb's case?

I really dislike this notion that we are considered linked together because of the actions of a third party. You don't even seem to consider adding in a qualifier like "they may be linked together". It looks like you are quite certain about it. Which I find very odd.

Inane, look at the set up. 2 killers who do not know each other. A symp who will know both of them. For the killers to not target one another the symp has to somehow try and let them know of each other. So it is because of the third party we are pairing people together, hence ALL the votes so far today. The fact that you cannot see this is a little scummy.

[Tattersail_]

EmperorMagus, on 01 July 2014 - 11:14 AM, said:

Tattersail_, on 01 July 2014 - 11:01 AM, said:

EmperorMagus, on 01 July 2014 - 10:30 AM, said:

Read up.
I'm going to vote IB right now but I will be available later to switch if needed.
I'm just hoping that we can eliminate one of the two chief suspects today (meaning get a lynch on either IB or Khell) so we won't have a repeat of day1 tomorrow.
Even if we lynch incorrectly (which is far more probable than lynching scum) we have a lot of useful interaction with/about both of them so the day will not be wasted.

Vote Inane Babble

Is this in case Khell comes up scum and that you may be related to him in some way? Out of Inane and Unfound, Unfound is acting/looking the scummiest but they are linked together.

What do you make of Messremb's case?

No, this is because we have a 2 out of 13 (we won't know if we hit the symp will we?) chance of getting it right on day1 and that is quite negligible, more so when you take into account (I apologize to the smart present) we are a bunch of idiots more likely to hurt our chances than help.

BUT, we can stop this game from entering the cycle of "failed lynch day1, repeat day1 on day2,have nothing to show for the first two days on day3, lose like retards" and that requires lynching someone know, preferably someone whose death will give us some information.

So you vote the guy with the least amount of votes?

Why not vote for the higher train?

[The Unfound]

Tattersail_, on 01 July 2014 - 11:01 AM, said:

EmperorMagus, on 01 July 2014 - 10:30 AM, said:

Read up.
I'm going to vote IB right now but I will be available later to switch if needed.
I'm just hoping that we can eliminate one of the two chief suspects today (meaning get a lynch on either IB or Khell) so we won't have a repeat of day1 tomorrow.
Even if we lynch incorrectly (which is far more probable than lynching scum) we have a lot of useful interaction with/about both of them so the day will not be wasted.

Vote Inane Babble

Is this in case Khell comes up scum and that you may be related to him in some way? Out of Inane and Unfound, Unfound is acting/looking the scummiest but they are linked together.

Says the person everyone is calling a symp. Is this a lets throw the newbies under a bus? Figure you can get two birds with one stone by having us tied together because of something you say? Now the signalling case against you could have some merit and it is looking a little better as the Day goes on, but your actions with IB have been the real eyebrow raisers. Which gives the IB train more merit as well. You voted IB twice? isnt that correct? Only to move off of him or say you were going to move off of him. I kind of agree with Tap and Shin in that removing Tatts from the game just makes things easier but there really isnt a chance of lynching him today so it will have to wait. I dont really know anything about Khell, other than that everyone started off by telling me to automatically lynch him lol. There are alot of assumptions being made from the old hands about people because they have seen the way that they have played for a while now. I think the link between IB and Tatts may be there so. With the condition that I will most certainly switch to lynch

Vote Inane Babble

[Gust Hubb]

Nice post Tatts. That is a better representation of your Mafiaz skills than your bouncing about.

So, I think we'll get the most done lynching IB today. I link IB to you Tatts due to your animal picture signalling (IB and Mess being your alleged masters) and you see IB as part of a pair with Unfound in a signalling case against me. I would like to clear the air on both of those fronts.

Remove Vote

Vote Inane Babble

[Inane Babble]

Tattersail_, on 01 July 2014 - 11:17 AM, said:

Inane Babble, on 01 July 2014 - 11:06 AM, said:

Tattersail_, on 01 July 2014 - 11:01 AM, said:

EmperorMagus, on 01 July 2014 - 10:30 AM, said:

Read up.
I'm going to vote IB right now but I will be available later to switch if needed.
I'm just hoping that we can eliminate one of the two chief suspects today (meaning get a lynch on either IB or Khell) so we won't have a repeat of day1 tomorrow.
Even if we lynch incorrectly (which is far more probable than lynching scum) we have a lot of useful interaction with/about both of them so the day will not be wasted.

Vote Inane Babble

Is this in case Khell comes up scum and that you may be related to him in some way? Out of Inane and Unfound, Unfound is acting/looking the scummiest but they are linked together.

What do you make of Messremb's case?

I really dislike this notion that we are considered linked together because of the actions of a third party. You don't even seem to consider adding in a qualifier like "they may be linked together". It looks like you are quite certain about it. Which I find very odd.

Inane, look at the set up. 2 killers who do not know each other. A symp who will know both of them. For the killers to not target one another the symp has to somehow try and let them know of each other. So it is because of the third party we are pairing people together, hence ALL the votes so far today. The fact that you cannot see this is a little scummy.

I didn't say I didn't understand it, I said I didn't LIKE it, there has been a huge amount of talk on thread but you are focussing on 2-3 lines to the exclusion of all else just because it *might* work, but you sound so certain and that doesn't add up.

You prefer a lynch based on 1 example of possible signalling out of dozens over Khells slip up?

[Gust Hubb]

Shinrei, on 01 July 2014 - 09:52 AM, said:

Um...ok. Other than what Gusty posted on the original vote noting the "speak of the devil" nature of AM popping up...what's got people wanting to vote him? I just did a really fast read up, because I have to hit the road in 5 minutes, but I didn't see any obvious accusations. Did I miss something?

For me, it was Tatts' use of pictures and seeking out the two pics that were different than all the others (i.e. the animals versus the people). With Mess also highlighting the penguin and wanting to give rep, I realized how glaring the picture connection could be, and assumed that the connection was either based on avatars (Mess and Azathmaster) or at whom the pictures were directed (IB and HO).

So actually, I guess you could say the picture connection puts 4 separate individuals under suspicion. But I was leaning toward avatar based ones, especially with Mess switching his avatar with Sir Thursday's, again bringing animal avatar to our attention. Plus, both Azath and Mess never change those avatars (at least not within the last year), so Mess changing avatars, even jokingly, is a big deal.

All that being said, I would lean toward any of the four mentioned, although Mess and Azath seem more probable to me. But since IB is also connected to a signalling case with me, and has traction, I would like to see at least that air clearing my name.

[Tattersail_]

Inane can you show me Khell's slip please? I assumed it was ST's slip.

Just pull up the quote.

I see GH's reason for voting Inane, which is pretty decent reasoning, but this does look like a swing away from Khell.

I am happy that one of my choices is on the chopping block. We'll see, if he CF's scum then that's great.

[Inane Babble]

For the record, I strongly dislike this setup where the scum do not know each other and town know that. It lends itself to people getting lynched due to the actions of people they don't know and can't control. Hell, a person could not have voted all day and been lynched because of a "signalling" case.

Whatever, my CF will at least get people actually looking for scum again, but I urge everyone to not get bogged down in jumping up and down screaming about every little instance of "holy shit its a seemingly readily apparent signal! it's a symp who screwed up kill everyone they name!" It won't help town in any way.

I suggest looking at what people say THEMSELVES from day 2 onwards, sure keep in mind possible links and signalling, but put it on the back burner.

[Tattersail_]

Vengeance, on 01 July 2014 - 03:02 AM, said:

Currently 14 hours and 02 minutes.

How long do we have left?

Edit; 3 and a half hours yes?

This post has been edited by Tattersail_: 01 July 2014 - 11:36 AM

[Inane Babble]

Sir Thursday, on 30 June 2014 - 11:02 PM, said:

OK, here's something interesting.

Khellendros shows here that he thinks the setup to be as laid out by Venge in the sign-up thread. That's fair enough, I'm making the same assumption.

Khellendros, on 30 June 2014 - 03:14 PM, said:

Actually, having asked myself this very question, it turns out that I am twice as awesome as that guy. Exactly twice.

For one thing, I have a sensibly short haircut. And just like how being a geek is now cool, sensible short is now awesome.



Also, by the by, Inane and HO are scum, Tatts is the symp. Unless we think Tatts' "stick with me kid" was just too on the nose for a signalling attempt?

But then, he feigns ignorance as to the state of the game:

Khellendros, on 30 June 2014 - 03:22 PM, said:

We've got...four days WCS. Is that right?

Given that he has clearly read the SUT (since he has an opinion that matches how Venge laid out the scum distribution there), he should know that Venge mentioned two unpaired killers each with their own kill, plus a symp. So WCS in that scenario is actually that Day 3 is D-Day (1 lynch + 2NKs per day).

So what's the deal? Is he playing dumb in the second post for some reason?

FAO Tatts

[Gust Hubb]

Inane Babble, on 01 July 2014 - 11:32 AM, said:

For the record, I strongly dislike this setup where the scum do not know each other and town know that. It lends itself to people getting lynched due to the actions of people they don't know and can't control. Hell, a person could not have voted all day and been lynched because of a "signalling" case.

Whatever, my CF will at least get people actually looking for scum again, but I urge everyone to not get bogged down in jumping up and down screaming about every little instance of "holy shit its a seemingly readily apparent signal! it's a symp who screwed up kill everyone they name!" It won't help town in any way.

I suggest looking at what people say THEMSELVES from day 2 onwards, sure keep in mind possible links and signalling, but put it on the back burner.

I hate to say it IB, but this is one of the most common and standard setups in an M&P. In fact, with the killers not knowing each other, we actually have a huge advantage.

[Tattersail_]

Inane Babble, on 01 July 2014 - 11:36 AM, said:

Sir Thursday, on 30 June 2014 - 11:02 PM, said:

OK, here's something interesting.

Khellendros shows here that he thinks the setup to be as laid out by Venge in the sign-up thread. That's fair enough, I'm making the same assumption.

Khellendros, on 30 June 2014 - 03:14 PM, said:

Actually, having asked myself this very question, it turns out that I am twice as awesome as that guy. Exactly twice.

For one thing, I have a sensibly short haircut. And just like how being a geek is now cool, sensible short is now awesome.



Also, by the by, Inane and HO are scum, Tatts is the symp. Unless we think Tatts' "stick with me kid" was just too on the nose for a signalling attempt?

But then, he feigns ignorance as to the state of the game:

Khellendros, on 30 June 2014 - 03:22 PM, said:

We've got...four days WCS. Is that right?

Given that he has clearly read the SUT (since he has an opinion that matches how Venge laid out the scum distribution there), he should know that Venge mentioned two unpaired killers each with their own kill, plus a symp. So WCS in that scenario is actually that Day 3 is D-Day (1 lynch + 2NKs per day).

So what's the deal? Is he playing dumb in the second post for some reason?

FAO Tatts

That is not why people are voting for Khell. They are voting for Khell because ST quoted both Azathmaster and Khell in his initial posts. I'll find Mess' post now.

[Tattersail_]

Messremb, on 30 June 2014 - 11:39 PM, said:

Sir Thursday, on 30 June 2014 - 11:02 PM, said:

OK, here's something interesting.Khellendros shows here that he thinks the setup to be as laid out by Venge in the sign-up thread. That's fair enough, I'm making the same assumption.

Khellendros, on 30 June 2014 - 03:14 PM, said:

Actually, having asked myself this very question, it turns out that I am twice as awesome as that guy. Exactly twice. For one thing, I have a sensibly short haircut. And just like how being a geek is now cool, sensible short is now awesome. Also, by the by, Inane and HO are scum, Tatts is the symp. Unless we think Tatts' "stick with me kid" was just too on the nose for a signalling attempt?

But then, he feigns ignorance as to the state of the game:

Khellendros, on 30 June 2014 - 03:22 PM, said:

We've got...four days WCS. Is that right?

Given that he has clearly read the SUT (since he has an opinion that matches how Venge laid out the scum distribution there), he should know that Venge mentioned two unpaired killers each with their own kill, plus a symp. So WCS in that scenario is actually that Day 3 is D-Day (1 lynch + 2NKs per day).So what's the deal? Is he playing dumb in the second post for some reason?

Sir Thursday, on 30 June 2014 - 11:09 PM, said:

Azathmaster, on 30 June 2014 - 10:48 PM, said:

AHHHHH! HE'S SPREADING WIFOM!Just kidding, that accusation didn't get scum last game. But seriously, you and Messremb need different avatars, it's really messing with my head.And I will be here for a few hours, all read up.

Messing with YOUR head? Imagine how I feel reading through the thread and suddenly finding a post that it looks like I wrote that I don't remember anything about! :pBut yeah, I know Venge is a big WIFOM fan but personally I tend to find people tend to be a bit too afraid of it. Especially in a game where nobody has license to be wilfully obtuse, I figure it's best to get the discussion out of the way early. To do well in Mafia as town involves knowing what you're looking for, and role spec done right can be a big help in that regard. For example, as Messremb points out, this setup lends itself to scum doing a lot more signalling than usual. That gives us something to work with.ST

Just got to point out how you could be seen to be signalling Khell and AM with your first quoted posts here

Oh and avatar is back to normal

This ^

[Messremb]

Don't go setting any score by me changing my avatar. Also, work very busy, back shortly before timeout

[Messremb]

Don't go setting any score by me changing my avatar. Also, work very busy, back shortly before timeout

[EmperorMagus]

Tattersail_, on 01 July 2014 - 11:18 AM, said:

EmperorMagus, on 01 July 2014 - 11:14 AM, said:

Tattersail_, on 01 July 2014 - 11:01 AM, said:

EmperorMagus, on 01 July 2014 - 10:30 AM, said:

Read up.
I'm going to vote IB right now but I will be available later to switch if needed.
I'm just hoping that we can eliminate one of the two chief suspects today (meaning get a lynch on either IB or Khell) so we won't have a repeat of day1 tomorrow.
Even if we lynch incorrectly (which is far more probable than lynching scum) we have a lot of useful interaction with/about both of them so the day will not be wasted.

Vote Inane Babble

Is this in case Khell comes up scum and that you may be related to him in some way? Out of Inane and Unfound, Unfound is acting/looking the scummiest but they are linked together.

What do you make of Messremb's case?

No, this is because we have a 2 out of 13 (we won't know if we hit the symp will we?) chance of getting it right on day1 and that is quite negligible, more so when you take into account (I apologize to the smart present) we are a bunch of idiots more likely to hurt our chances than help.

BUT, we can stop this game from entering the cycle of "failed lynch day1, repeat day1 on day2,have nothing to show for the first two days on day3, lose like retards" and that requires lynching someone know, preferably someone whose death will give us some information.

So you vote the guy with the least amount of votes?

Why not vote for the higher train?

When you posted this the trains were at 3-3.

[Inane Babble]

Tattersail_, on 01 July 2014 - 11:41 AM, said:

Inane Babble, on 01 July 2014 - 11:36 AM, said:

Sir Thursday, on 30 June 2014 - 11:02 PM, said:

OK, here's something interesting.

Khellendros shows here that he thinks the setup to be as laid out by Venge in the sign-up thread. That's fair enough, I'm making the same assumption.

Khellendros, on 30 June 2014 - 03:14 PM, said:

Actually, having asked myself this very question, it turns out that I am twice as awesome as that guy. Exactly twice.

For one thing, I have a sensibly short haircut. And just like how being a geek is now cool, sensible short is now awesome.



Also, by the by, Inane and HO are scum, Tatts is the symp. Unless we think Tatts' "stick with me kid" was just too on the nose for a signalling attempt?

But then, he feigns ignorance as to the state of the game:

Khellendros, on 30 June 2014 - 03:22 PM, said:

We've got...four days WCS. Is that right?

Given that he has clearly read the SUT (since he has an opinion that matches how Venge laid out the scum distribution there), he should know that Venge mentioned two unpaired killers each with their own kill, plus a symp. So WCS in that scenario is actually that Day 3 is D-Day (1 lynch + 2NKs per day).

So what's the deal? Is he playing dumb in the second post for some reason?

FAO Tatts

That is not why people are voting for Khell. They are voting for Khell because ST quoted both Azathmaster and Khell in his initial posts. I'll find Mess' post now.

You didn't ask me for why other people were voting for Khell. And that isn't why I am voting for khell. You asked for and received some backtracking Khell did about sounding very certain on game setup to covering himself and sounding uncertain of game setup.

[Vengeance]

Current 0 hours and 50 minutes.

Exact time!!!

Alive
AzathMaster, EM,Gnaw,GH, HO,Inane Babble , Khell,Messem,Shinrei,Sir Thursday, Tatt's, Tapper, The Unfound

7 to lynch or 7 to go to night.

1 vote for Messremb (Sir Thursday)
2 votes for Azathmaster (GH, khell)
1 vote for HO ( Tatts)
1 vote for Tatts (Gnaw)
3 votes for khell (HO, Tapper, IB,)
5 vote for inane bubble( shin, tatts,EM, unfounded, GH)

Not voted

Everyone else.

This post has been edited by Vengeance: 01 July 2014 - 12:12 PM

[Inane Babble]

Vengeance, on 01 July 2014 - 12:09 PM, said:

Current 0 hours and 50 minutes. (I have to double check the time when I get to work)

Exact time!!!

Alive
AzathMaster, EM,Gnaw,GH, HO,Inane Babble , Khell,Messem,Shinrei,Sir Thursday, Tatt's, Tapper, The Unfound

7 to lynch or 7 to go to night.

1 vote for Messremb (Sir Thursday)
2 votes for Azathmaster (GH, khell)
1 vote for HO ( Tatts)
1 vote for Tatts (Gnaw)
3 votes for khell (HO, Tapper, IB,)
5 vote for inane bubble( shin, tatts,EM, unfounded, GH)

Not voted

Everyone else.

I am on the train and won't be into the office for another half hour. I will double check the time then.

Oh thank god! Everyone is voting for that inane bubble guy and not me *PHEW*

[HiddenOne]

ok, I'm back, what up

looks like a train on the new guy - what did he do