[Liosan]

Here's his first semi-productive post:

Ampelas, on 18 June 2014 - 09:11 AM, said:

Pallid, on 17 June 2014 - 11:43 PM, said:

Sukul Ankhadu, on 17 June 2014 - 06:43 PM, said:

Slightly disturbed by the hello kitty fetish

Vote Sukul Ankhadu

I don't think it's a good idea to leave such a disturbed individual in the game.

Sukul Ankhadu, on 18 June 2014 - 06:06 AM, said:

Well that was an exciting night.
way to be reaching for any excuse for a vote Pallid

Trying to create early distance between each other or just a good old fashioned culling of the prudes?

He then is the first one to notice the timing with Pallid and Denul

Ampelas, on 18 June 2014 - 03:23 PM, said:

That was so superbly timed by Pallid and Denul that I am in awe.

Kaschan can you tell us what the "Callsign Swamp Thing" was?

Then he gets pretty pissy at Atrahal for something that isn't very confrontational, though his response does make sense

Ampelas, on 18 June 2014 - 10:14 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 18 June 2014 - 09:46 PM, said:

Vote Ampelas


Either they, Galayn Lord, or Nimander Golit - or some combination thereof - are scum. I say this because they've all been middling, with GL and Will-Never-Be-Anomander only really spouting off when they've been called into question, before then subsiding again. I chose Ampelas though because he's been even less of a non-entity than that.


Ironic coming from the guy with 3 posts? Maybe. Doesn't make it less valid though.

Not ironic, hypocritical.

It's day 1 and I laid out my case for voting Pallid, when we start seeing CFs we can do more than joke about with each other. Until then you can fuck right off.

Then he says he has a bad gut feeling on Kaschan.

Ampelas, on 19 June 2014 - 01:59 PM, said:

Agree with Nimander, all of the initial reasons for lynching someone today suck ass.

Kaschan strikes me the wrong way, but its just gut feeling at the moment.

Barghasts choosing to find it scummier to show your thinking on thread, however tenuous it might be, rather than just voting is very suspicious to me.

Then he makes a case on Atrahal, I won't quote that for the sake of making this long post a bit shorter.

And then:

He makes a list.

Ampelas, on 19 June 2014 - 10:30 PM, said:

opinions;

Eloth: Playing very sensibly IMO, common sense about cutting out the symp/setup WIFOM, he seems happy enough to go along for whatever lynch seems likely today. He appears to be avoiding ruffling any feathers, on purpose or just hasn't got around to it yet?

Sukul: Going to be new player very soon, will make redundant what has come up to now, willing to vote for Kaschan, I can see why he would. Not much else to go on.

Nimander: Reasonable point early on about delaying the witch hunt for low posters. Gets suspicious of Pallids behavior, decides to drop setup WIFOM too, sees GL as likely town, doesn't understand the Day 1 case vs GL and snaps at me for being a fool. Not afraid to ask questions or get in someones face, seems a solid town player so far.

HP: Posted basic no envelope pushing stuff, quick to try and get the lynch going on GL again. Not sure about at all.

GL: Took part in that fucking ridiculous quote spam, automatically suspicious of shit like that, makes it SO much harder to do a normal re-read, buries information exchanges, doesn't contribute in a meaningful way. I don't see the day 1 case people made against him at all to be honest.

Liosan: Other party of that quote spam. Other than that seems fairly active in looking at people and participating.

Barghast: Early proponent of dropping the setup WIFOM, major plus points for that. Attempts to get me to respond to a question that has an obvious answer, is foiled by Eloth. The gifs and images are pissing me off, but hes being active and helpful. Suspicious of Kaschan. Solid play to date.

Denul: Jumps onto Kaschan for Scum very early on. Drops it in short order and votes other places. Initiates a vote based upon possible signalling, argues for town taking into consideration possible symps.

Kaschan: Standard play early on, sees value in GL vote based on the distancing case. Possible scum move trying to cast doubt on how we knew Pallid was town. Maybe just sleepy as he said.

Maybe the idea that scum love lists (thank you Lady Bliss) is outdated, maybe not, but whenever I see a list I get suspicious right away. And out of the entire list, he only says his beliefs on the alignment of 2 players: Barghast and Nimander. Everyone else he waffles. For example, Kaschan:

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Kaschan: Standard play early on, sees value in GL vote based on the distancing case. Possible scum move trying to cast doubt on how we knew Pallid was town. Maybe just sleepy as he said.

And lastly he votes Kaschan, without any reasoning beyond "I have a gut feeling and maybe he tried to cast doubt on Pallid."

He doesn't commit to much, which is often a sign of scum, he made a list, also a sign of scum, as it makes it seem like you're participating while you're actually not contributing much.

[Liosan]

This isn't an overwhelming case, not even sure if it's really a case, but it's a collection of some of my observations on Ampelas, based off the small amount of content he's posted. To be honest, I'd say at least 1/3 of his posts are from day 1's joking around phase.

[Ampelas]

Everyone who has had strong convictions on people to date has been wrong. Including me. Of course I am unsure of most of the people in this game, that's the point, but I was trying to get my thinking on the thread during a quiet phase to see if it generated any discussion. As well as putting down in game my thinking so I can't just pop up later and say "I thought X all along!" So there you are, take of that whatever you want.

Regarding my weak posting; I have been following along all day, just getting hammered at work so couldn't find the time to post more than a few lines, the one time I did try and create a multiquote semi-case it had to be discarded.

[Sukul Ankhadu]

Everyone's been wrong?
how the hell do we know? There's no CF, so we could have been right.

I could vote Barghast, Denul or I forget my third option.
Barghast was a feeling from yesterday, Denul is partly due to an abiding hatred i seem to carry in every game for the alt. Needs to stop being given to people who look scummy to me.

[Ampelas]

Sukul Ankhadu, on 23 June 2014 - 07:41 PM, said:

Everyone's been wrong?
how the hell do we know? There's no CF, so we could have been right.

I could vote Barghast, Denul or I forget my third option.
Barghast was a feeling from yesterday, Denul is partly due to an abiding hatred i seem to carry in every game for the alt. Needs to stop being given to people who look scummy to me.

Shinrei, on 19 June 2014 - 02:41 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 19 June 2014 - 01:52 PM, said:

Shinrei, on 19 June 2014 - 01:46 PM, said:

I have edited the player name into the Pallid CF.

Will we get CFs when scum die at least?

Yes. Obfuscating that wouldn't be very M&P.

[Liosan]

Ampelas, on 23 June 2014 - 07:36 PM, said:

Everyone who has had strong convictions on people to date has been wrong. Including me. Of course I am unsure of most of the people in this game, that's the point, but I was trying to get my thinking on the thread during a quiet phase to see if it generated any discussion. As well as putting down in game my thinking so I can't just pop up later and say "I thought X all along!" So there you are, take of that whatever you want.

Regarding my weak posting; I have been following along all day, just getting hammered at work so couldn't find the time to post more than a few lines, the one time I did try and create a multiquote semi-case it had to be discarded.

On everyone being wrong, I wouldn't go so far as to say that. As SA said, there have only been 3 people confirmed so far.

I understand being unsure, but if you're putting your thoughts down, at least say which way you're leaning on someone. For example, instead of saying "they may be this or that," add on which way you think is more likely, even if you only think its a bit more likely. That helps town a whole lot more than just saying you're not sure either way.

One thing about cases: you could just ask someone you're suspcious a question or two about something that made you suspicious, like "why did you do that?" or "what made you see this that way?" etc. I understand not having a lot of time, it's happened to me a lot over my ME mafia career, but there's still contributions you can make in only a few lines. at least more than you have been.

Since you seem to have time now, would you care to share a summary of your semi case, even if there aren't any quotes available. Or at least say why it had to be discarded?

[Liosan]

@ amp I think SA was talking about the players still alive

[Galayn Lord]

I'm here and have read up however have had a very busy last 3 days and today spent 11 hours (5 of which driving) at work so please don't expect anything coherent out of me till I get at least 1 beer down.

WIFOM is as WIFOM will, good for scum as has been pointed out. Whilst I agree with dropping it for the moment (because hey it is my neck,) do as some have said keep it in mind because unlike Barghast(?) I don't think yesterday clears me.

I need to do a proper re-read when I'm capable of absorbing more than I did just now. This will probably be tomorrow morning but I'll hang around in case anyone has any questions for me.

[Ampelas]

Liosan, on 23 June 2014 - 07:53 PM, said:

@ amp I think SA was talking about the players still alive

Then why mention CFs? Why say "we could have been right"? That indicates past tense to me. But yes, if SA is talking about still living players then obviously everyone being wrong is a nonsense statement.

[Ampelas]

Liosan, on 23 June 2014 - 07:52 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 23 June 2014 - 07:36 PM, said:

Everyone who has had strong convictions on people to date has been wrong. Including me. Of course I am unsure of most of the people in this game, that's the point, but I was trying to get my thinking on the thread during a quiet phase to see if it generated any discussion. As well as putting down in game my thinking so I can't just pop up later and say "I thought X all along!" So there you are, take of that whatever you want.

Regarding my weak posting; I have been following along all day, just getting hammered at work so couldn't find the time to post more than a few lines, the one time I did try and create a multiquote semi-case it had to be discarded.

On everyone being wrong, I wouldn't go so far as to say that. As SA said, there have only been 3 people confirmed so far.

I understand being unsure, but if you're putting your thoughts down, at least say which way you're leaning on someone. For example, instead of saying "they may be this or that," add on which way you think is more likely, even if you only think its a bit more likely. That helps town a whole lot more than just saying you're not sure either way.

One thing about cases: you could just ask someone you're suspcious a question or two about something that made you suspicious, like "why did you do that?" or "what made you see this that way?" etc. I understand not having a lot of time, it's happened to me a lot over my ME mafia career, but there's still contributions you can make in only a few lines. at least more than you have been.

Since you seem to have time now, would you care to share a summary of your semi case, even if there aren't any quotes available. Or at least say why it had to be discarded?

Had to leave my desk unexpectedly for an extended period so logged off, not sure that you really need to know why.

At any rate it was basically me quoting some of barghasts posts along with his... particular choices for amusing gifs, that is reminding me REALLY strongly of Sleuth (proper version you plebs!) I think he believes we are all such thick witted idiots that he feels comfortable being almost brazen in flaunting his scumness.

"Your life's great ambition, I said, of which you had often spoken, was to commit an actual real life murder. Hide the body, then leave clues linking you with the crime scattered about the house. Convinced that the poor simple-minded police would never recognise them for what they were" - Sleuth 1972

[Denul]

A couple of questions for everyone.

Do we as mafia players ever learn anything from one game to the next?


Assuming that you have played in the last several games (5) that have been run what has one of the major things from those town loses been.

a. Leaving WIFOM in the game benefits whom?

b. Is it better to lynch someone who was almost lynched the previous day or to leave them alive?


Well based on my answers to those questions GL has to go. Leaving him in the game only benefits scum. If he is scum then obviously he will not be killed and if not then scum will keep him alive because of the WIFOM that is generated.


Vote GL

[Nimander Golit]

Denul, on 23 June 2014 - 08:21 PM, said:

A couple of questions for everyone.

Do we as mafia players ever learn anything from one game to the next?


Assuming that you have played in the last several games (5) that have been run what has one of the major things from those town loses been.

a. Leaving WIFOM in the game benefits whom?

b. Is it better to lynch someone who was almost lynched the previous day or to leave them alive?


Well based on my answers to those questions GL has to go. Leaving him in the game only benefits scum. If he is scum then obviously he will not be killed and if not then scum will keep him alive because of the WIFOM that is generated.


Vote GL

My issue with this, aside from what I've already said about the whole WIFOM thing, is that there wasn't a good case on him to begin with. I would have voted GL to get the lynch yesterday, but I saw no good reason to vote for him to start with, and still see no reason to do so.

[Ampelas]

Denul, on 23 June 2014 - 08:21 PM, said:

A couple of questions for everyone.

Do we as mafia players ever learn anything from one game to the next?


Assuming that you have played in the last several games (5) that have been run what has one of the major things from those town loses been.

a. Leaving WIFOM in the game benefits whom?

b. Is it better to lynch someone who was almost lynched the previous day or to leave them alive?


Well based on my answers to those questions GL has to go. Leaving him in the game only benefits scum. If he is scum then obviously he will not be killed and if not then scum will keep him alive because of the WIFOM that is generated.


Vote GL

Because you are utterly incapable of dropping something and moving on. The WIFOM here only persists because of you. You were having trouble discarding the symp WIFOM as well.

Most everyone else has been able to say "We can at least discuss something else while keeping an eye on GL" keep stirring this WIFOM Denul. Day 3 and we are still going after someone who's initial train built up over something we can't even all agree on. Great.

Vote Galayn Lord

After this WIFOM is killed, I'm going for you next Denul.

[Sukul Ankhadu]

Ampelas, on 23 June 2014 - 07:48 PM, said:

Sukul Ankhadu, on 23 June 2014 - 07:41 PM, said:

Everyone's been wrong?
how the hell do we know? There's no CF, so we could have been right.

I could vote Barghast, Denul or I forget my third option.
Barghast was a feeling from yesterday, Denul is partly due to an abiding hatred i seem to carry in every game for the alt. Needs to stop being given to people who look scummy to me.

Shinrei, on 19 June 2014 - 02:41 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 19 June 2014 - 01:52 PM, said:

Shinrei, on 19 June 2014 - 01:46 PM, said:

I have edited the player name into the Pallid CF.

Will we get CFs when scum die at least?

Yes. Obfuscating that wouldn't be very M&P.

I stand corrected

[Sukul Ankhadu]

Why not just vote him now? I don't understand this logic.

[Ampelas]

Sukul Ankhadu, on 23 June 2014 - 08:53 PM, said:

Why not just vote him now? I don't understand this logic.

I will gladly if everyone else is capable of dropping the WIFOM.

If we can drum up some support on a Denul lynch that would be great.

[Denul]

Ampelas, on 23 June 2014 - 08:35 PM, said:

Because you are utterly incapable of dropping something and moving on. The WIFOM here only persists because of you. You were having trouble discarding the symp WIFOM as well.

Most everyone else has been able to say "We can at least discuss something else while keeping an eye on GL" keep stirring this WIFOM Denul. Day 3 and we are still going after someone who's initial train built up over something we can't even all agree on. Great.

Vote Galayn Lord

After this WIFOM is killed, I'm going for you next Denul.

Lets take just a quick gander at what people have mentioned about GL and WIFOM today shall we. This is a double post due to the amount of quotes bare with me.

Eloth, on 23 June 2014 - 08:45 AM, said:

Well, interesting end of day. Two trains, some tension at the end, someone offering to self-vote + the predictable refusal (le sigh - a townie plays to survive, yes - but if it causes a likely repeat on the next day, isn't it better to just get it done?), and in the end, a lynch on a player who turns out to be new(ish).

I am not sure how to judge GL offering to off himself. A townie could offer it to give clarity, a scum could offer it to allow someone else to say "don't do it" - which invariably comes, as did it this time. That may have pushed the decision on whom to lynch, in which case, paradoxically, offering to off themselves made sure they weren't lynched due to that demonstration of willingness to go for town's benefit.

It's even worse that this comes in a situation where there's two legit trains. If there's one train but not enough time, it's a legit doubt. But with two trains, both so close to a lynch? Meh.

Thus, we could be looking at a scum banking on town saying "play like town, don't give up" (as if scum would give up?) or even a one-two between scum (GL + Barghast, in that case, to give the encouragement) that could be a play to decommission one train. And that makes the "that is a townish thing to do" statement not perfectly true, either.

Even with all that behind me, I also dislike the train on Kaschan. There's some people there who have been questioned.

[Denul]

Barghast, on 23 June 2014 - 10:37 AM, said:

I am not going to focus on GL today, day one and two he has been focused on by all. In my eyes GL has a pass. I don't see scum interacting like that on thread, ie between him and I. No way, because if one is lynched and turns out scum then there is a direct link between two players.

I will do a more in depth read, but regardless of anything I remember thinking Denul's play needs to be questioned and looked at. Also his vote after the lynch was scummy.

Vote Denul

Denul, on 23 June 2014 - 01:27 PM, said:

Barghast, on 23 June 2014 - 12:59 PM, said:

Denul, on 23 June 2014 - 12:28 PM, said:

Barghast, on 23 June 2014 - 10:37 AM, said:

I am not going to focus on GL today, day one and two he has been focused on by all. In my eyes GL has a pass. I don't see scum interacting like that on thread, ie between him and I. No way, because if one is lynched and turns out scum then there is a direct link between two players.

I will do a more in depth read, but regardless of anything I remember thinking Denul's play needs to be questioned and looked at. Also his vote after the lynch was scummy.

Vote Denul

That is your reasoning? Usually people will at least attempt to show that the person that they are voting for has some kind of pattern of suspicious behavior. So in your eyes anyone who interacts with other players..cuddles up to you.. is not scum. Yeah that is just the worst attempt to give someone a pass that I have ever seen.

Without your partner protecting you, or other town being stupid, it's great to see you arrive. See your name did you? Thought you were coasting did you? Not on my watch sonny, have you actually read up? Did you not read my other posts that involved you? This is not my "case" but it is where I will end up voting. Scum!

My partner protecting me???? Wtf are you talking about. Costing??? I always barely play on friday and never play on the weekends. Have you seen the posts that you made where you "mentioned me" you said that I bared looking into over pointing out a possible connection between GL and Liosan on day 1. Then that connection which I didn't follow up on at all because it was tenuous lead to a train on GL the next day according to you. Then you said that I needed to be looked into. Ok fine. I agree look into me. However you voted for me with out doing your so called looking into which you talked about multiple times. So do you need to read up?

Nobody is protecting me they are voting for you because you have posted like a twit and if you go back and look at GL's failed lynch. You are the one who is first for lynching GL (but not voting for him) then suddenly you believe him and push for Kaschans lynch. Yeah that smacks of someone protecting someone else but not other people protecting me.

Liosan, on 23 June 2014 - 02:00 PM, said:

Barghast, on 23 June 2014 - 01:33 PM, said:

Liosan, on 23 June 2014 - 12:21 PM, said:

Barghast, on 23 June 2014 - 10:37 AM, said:

I am not going to focus on GL today, day one and two he has been focused on by all. In my eyes GL has a pass. I don't see scum interacting like that on thread, ie between him and I. No way, because if one is lynched and turns out scum then there is a direct link between two players.

I will do a more in depth read, but regardless of anything I remember thinking Denul's play needs to be questioned and looked at. Also his vote after the lynch was scummy.

Vote Denul

But if you're town, why would he not do that? It leads us to look at you, which, if you were town, would lead to a town lynch and would be good for scum. Only reason you wouldn't believe he'd make a link between you two is if you were scum. Its the only situation where it would hurt scum to interact like that. This seems like a slip to me.

It's still early, but

Vote Barghast

I don't know which side of the fence to put you on Liosan, I am leaning towards town but your focus since day one has been on GL and nothing else, I applaud your vote for me but you are doing it again based of GL which is rather safe from you isn't it?

Its not based on GL, its based on the way you talked about why GL is town to you. The way you explained it only makes sense if you are scum, because scum buddying with town, taking the townie down with them when they get lynched is actually solid play, not bad play as you seem to think. Your logic makes the assumption that you are scum. Since you posted about yourself, it looks like a freudian slip, ergo the vote. It honestly doesnt matter who you were talking about, just what you said.

I am willing to let my GL suspicions go for a little, because whether or not he's scum, I'm pretty sure you are.

[Denul]

Eloth, on 23 June 2014 - 02:29 PM, said:

In connection to what I worded in #385 (there might be cross-posts);

why would a townie jump so high and so nervously, especially after the key role they played in the end of the previous day?
If you felt Kaschan was a newbie, and (perhaps) town, you must feel VERY strong about GL to want to save him.

And it wasn't like it is obvious that GL is town, to begin with. Almost half of yesterday's thread didn't feel that way, considering the amount of votes on GL. Yet you did, and flat out refuse to vote him today (as does Ampelas, but with the notion that GL still deserves scrutiny and maybe a lynch later on - no such hesitation with you). That's simply not a good play for an RI in a game in which we'll never be certain about anyone's alignment unless they're NKed, and that certainty could be because you're scum and therefore KNOW their alignment.

Liosan, on 23 June 2014 - 03:33 PM, said:

Barghast, on 23 June 2014 - 02:12 PM, said:

Liosan, on 23 June 2014 - 02:00 PM, said:

Barghast, on 23 June 2014 - 01:33 PM, said:

Liosan, on 23 June 2014 - 12:21 PM, said:

Barghast, on 23 June 2014 - 10:37 AM, said:

I am not going to focus on GL today, day one and two he has been focused on by all. In my eyes GL has a pass. I don't see scum interacting like that on thread, ie between him and I. No way, because if one is lynched and turns out scum then there is a direct link between two players.

I will do a more in depth read, but regardless of anything I remember thinking Denul's play needs to be questioned and looked at. Also his vote after the lynch was scummy.

Vote Denul

But if you're town, why would he not do that? It leads us to look at you, which, if you were town, would lead to a town lynch and would be good for scum. Only reason you wouldn't believe he'd make a link between you two is if you were scum. Its the only situation where it would hurt scum to interact like that. This seems like a slip to me.

It's still early, but

Vote Barghast

I don't know which side of the fence to put you on Liosan, I am leaning towards town but your focus since day one has been on GL and nothing else, I applaud your vote for me but you are doing it again based of GL which is rather safe from you isn't it?

Its not based on GL, its based on the way you talked about why GL is town to you. The way you explained it only makes sense if you are scum, because scum buddying with town, taking the townie down with them when they get lynched is actually solid play, not bad play as you seem to think. Your logic makes the assumption that you are scum. Since you posted about yourself, it looks like a freudian slip, ergo the vote. It honestly doesnt matter who you were talking about, just what you said.

I am willing to let my GL suspicions go for a little, because whether or not he's scum, I'm pretty sure you are.

I don't get you, I am literally feeling like a dumb fucktard for even reading what you wrote.

As I seem to be a little simple minded right now, can you please dumb this down for me.

From what I can gather, you are thinking of me as scum because I am thinking GL is town because of his play, selflessness and other factors that I dare not go into because of possible modkill.

Go back to the beginning Liosan, look at your shitty argument, its day one, its okay to have one, but since then you have focused on it and convinced yourself GL is scum, whereas I have looked at the thread, participated in the action towards end of day, when it matter, I was there, and in the dogfight towards the end of day, and from that point I thought of both Kaschan and GL as town, I even said I thought Kaschan seemed new, which I was right with. So there is no way for you to convince me that GL is scum, and I won't vote for him, and from what I can gather that makes me scum in your eyes, BUT I DON'T SEE WHY?

My vote for you isnt about GL. You say you dont see scum interacting on thread like you and GL did, since it would connect you to him, and you'd get lynched because of it. But that presupposes you being scum. Since i cant remember any real pressure on you before today, it seems like a really bad slip. I'm letting my case on GL go. Your connection to him isnt the point. Of course, trying to clear him is suspicious, but town does that all the time as we so I won't go there. It's all about the way you worded your post about what you wanted to happen today.

This is on my phone so forgive me any errors

Liosan, on 23 June 2014 - 06:14 PM, said:

This is what I get for not reading up thoroughly... This is why we have the reply function.

Remove Vote

Now I kinda feel stupid. But that's mafia for you.

----so moving on from that, and as you all wish, away from the GL WIFOM, does anyone other than Nimander have any thoughts on Ampelas? I'll bring up what I have on him so far when I get home in like 30 mins, but I think he warrants a closer look

Galayn Lord, on 23 June 2014 - 08:00 PM, said:

I'm here and have read up however have had a very busy last 3 days and today spent 11 hours (5 of which driving) at work so please don't expect anything coherent out of me till I get at least 1 beer down.

WIFOM is as WIFOM will, good for scum as has been pointed out. Whilst I agree with dropping it for the moment (because hey it is my neck,) do as some have said keep it in mind because unlike Barghast(?) I don't think yesterday clears me.

I need to do a proper re-read when I'm capable of absorbing more than I did just now. This will probably be tomorrow morning but I'll hang around in case anyone has any questions for me.

Now yes I have been bring it up. Mainly because of my previous stated questions. The fact that the original case was shit has nothing to do with a failed lynch. If you want to lynch me tomorrow that is fine. If you want to lynch me today that is fine. My job as a member of town is to say hey this is a bad idea and leaving GL alive is a bad idea. Now you can be all pissy at me and what not. But the fact that you looked at those questions and decided to vote for GL means that I am correct. Also the fact that scum has used a failed lynch or in the last game keeping the healer alive in order to generate WIFOM for the entire game means that I am correct in my view of eliminating WIFOM. When it is obvious and consistant. Now If GL had only a few votes and wasn't a serious train then there would be a lot less WIFOM surrounding him. However that is not the case. The fact is he was at l-2 at the same time that Kaschan was down to the final hour and only through his saying that he would vote for himself and Barghast pushing for a Kaschan lynch was GL not lynched instead of Kaschan.

FYI if GL had been lynched instead of Kaschan I would have been for lynching Kaschan for the exact same reason. As scum I use and encourage WIFOM as town I want to eliminate it. Take that as you will. Vote for me if you feel that I am scummy. But my reasoning and logic are sound and history in the case of leaving WIFOM in the game is correct.



Editted for stupid fucking quote tags

This post has been edited by Denul: 23 June 2014 - 09:07 PM

[Denul]

Ampelas, on 23 June 2014 - 08:56 PM, said:

Sukul Ankhadu, on 23 June 2014 - 08:53 PM, said:

Why not just vote him now? I don't understand this logic.

I will gladly if everyone else is capable of dropping the WIFOM.

If we can drum up some support on a Denul lynch that would be great.

As long as you are willing to lynch GL tomorrow if you don't get a CF for me. Also why all of the hostility toward me? All that I have done today is defended myself and vote for GL based on yesterdays failed lynch of him. You are coming on pretty strong.