[Ampelas]

Lost a post where I quoted all of this, but after going over barghast from the begining thinking of him as scum, it stands out that several of barghasts images/gifs have either been villains, robots mimicing human tasks, or predators.

[Liosan]

Barghast, on 23 June 2014 - 01:33 PM, said:

Liosan, on 23 June 2014 - 12:21 PM, said:

Barghast, on 23 June 2014 - 10:37 AM, said:

I am not going to focus on GL today, day one and two he has been focused on by all. In my eyes GL has a pass. I don't see scum interacting like that on thread, ie between him and I. No way, because if one is lynched and turns out scum then there is a direct link between two players.

I will do a more in depth read, but regardless of anything I remember thinking Denul's play needs to be questioned and looked at. Also his vote after the lynch was scummy.

Vote Denul

But if you're town, why would he not do that? It leads us to look at you, which, if you were town, would lead to a town lynch and would be good for scum. Only reason you wouldn't believe he'd make a link between you two is if you were scum. Its the only situation where it would hurt scum to interact like that. This seems like a slip to me.

It's still early, but

Vote Barghast

I don't know which side of the fence to put you on Liosan, I am leaning towards town but your focus since day one has been on GL and nothing else, I applaud your vote for me but you are doing it again based of GL which is rather safe from you isn't it?

Its not based on GL, its based on the way you talked about why GL is town to you. The way you explained it only makes sense if you are scum, because scum buddying with town, taking the townie down with them when they get lynched is actually solid play, not bad play as you seem to think. Your logic makes the assumption that you are scum. Since you posted about yourself, it looks like a freudian slip, ergo the vote. It honestly doesnt matter who you were talking about, just what you said.

I am willing to let my GL suspicions go for a little, because whether or not he's scum, I'm pretty sure you are.

[Barghast]

Denul, on 23 June 2014 - 01:56 PM, said:

Barghast, on 23 June 2014 - 01:46 PM, said:

Like some sort of summary?

day one you pad your post count then advocate lynching the low poster
you make two "cases" because the game stagnated and we needed to get the lynch but then you miss end of day
day two you are hardly existent and again miss the end of day, this breaks your high post count of day one, so your behaviour has changed
day 3 started at the weekend but no one posted, but the first mention of you, a vote for you and you appear, that is deliciously scummy


Then after my vote for you a train has built up on me, seemingly out of no where.

I get to work on monday at the same time and post when I do. You are putting the fact that you are making some kind of "case" on me with the fact that people are voting for you. I don't think the two have anything to do with one another. Your behavior at the end of the last day during the flip from GL to Kaschan is the real reason that votes have started to pile up on you. Then there is your decision to state on thread that you don't think that GL can be scum and that we should ignore him today. When town has ignored failed lynches in past games that has always came back to haunt them. But your seemingly willingness to ignore the two trains the train on Kasch and the train on GL and how and why those votes built up are suspect and what are driving the votes onto you right now.

It is not, you again are misinterpreting their votes to suit your means. Liosan is voting for me because I have said that I don't see scum playing that way regarding the interactions between GL and I. Eloth is agreeing with Liosan but I think either of these players could be your partner, and that is why I have garnered votes.

My reasons for not wanting to look at GL stem from the fact he first got votes because of a pissing match that involved you, Liosan and him on day one, and it has not left the arena since. My reasons for leaving him alone today is because he was almost lynch, and could have been lynched on day two. There was no resistance to his lynch as you may think there would be with scum. There wasn't, I could have voted for him, he was saying he'd vote for himself, AND I would have voted for him if there was 5 minutes to go to get the lynch.

You are not on the lynch trains, so for me to look at those to find scum would mean for me to not find you, and not look at you, but look how I have hit a nerve, look how you have started to increase your activity from one vote and one player calling you out.

[Barghast]

Liosan, on 23 June 2014 - 02:00 PM, said:

Barghast, on 23 June 2014 - 01:33 PM, said:

Liosan, on 23 June 2014 - 12:21 PM, said:

Barghast, on 23 June 2014 - 10:37 AM, said:

I am not going to focus on GL today, day one and two he has been focused on by all. In my eyes GL has a pass. I don't see scum interacting like that on thread, ie between him and I. No way, because if one is lynched and turns out scum then there is a direct link between two players.

I will do a more in depth read, but regardless of anything I remember thinking Denul's play needs to be questioned and looked at. Also his vote after the lynch was scummy.

Vote Denul

But if you're town, why would he not do that? It leads us to look at you, which, if you were town, would lead to a town lynch and would be good for scum. Only reason you wouldn't believe he'd make a link between you two is if you were scum. Its the only situation where it would hurt scum to interact like that. This seems like a slip to me.

It's still early, but

Vote Barghast

I don't know which side of the fence to put you on Liosan, I am leaning towards town but your focus since day one has been on GL and nothing else, I applaud your vote for me but you are doing it again based of GL which is rather safe from you isn't it?

Its not based on GL, its based on the way you talked about why GL is town to you. The way you explained it only makes sense if you are scum, because scum buddying with town, taking the townie down with them when they get lynched is actually solid play, not bad play as you seem to think. Your logic makes the assumption that you are scum. Since you posted about yourself, it looks like a freudian slip, ergo the vote. It honestly doesnt matter who you were talking about, just what you said.

I am willing to let my GL suspicions go for a little, because whether or not he's scum, I'm pretty sure you are.

I don't get you, I am literally feeling like a dumb fucktard for even reading what you wrote.

As I seem to be a little simple minded right now, can you please dumb this down for me.

From what I can gather, you are thinking of me as scum because I am thinking GL is town because of his play, selflessness and other factors that I dare not go into because of possible modkill.

Go back to the beginning Liosan, look at your shitty argument, its day one, its okay to have one, but since then you have focused on it and convinced yourself GL is scum, whereas I have looked at the thread, participated in the action towards end of day, when it matter, I was there, and in the dogfight towards the end of day, and from that point I thought of both Kaschan and GL as town, I even said I thought Kaschan seemed new, which I was right with. So there is no way for you to convince me that GL is scum, and I won't vote for him, and from what I can gather that makes me scum in your eyes, BUT I DON'T SEE WHY?

[Eloth]

Barghast, on 23 June 2014 - 02:05 PM, said:

Denul, on 23 June 2014 - 01:56 PM, said:

Barghast, on 23 June 2014 - 01:46 PM, said:

Like some sort of summary?

day one you pad your post count then advocate lynching the low poster
you make two "cases" because the game stagnated and we needed to get the lynch but then you miss end of day
day two you are hardly existent and again miss the end of day, this breaks your high post count of day one, so your behaviour has changed
day 3 started at the weekend but no one posted, but the first mention of you, a vote for you and you appear, that is deliciously scummy


Then after my vote for you a train has built up on me, seemingly out of no where.

I get to work on monday at the same time and post when I do. You are putting the fact that you are making some kind of "case" on me with the fact that people are voting for you. I don't think the two have anything to do with one another. Your behavior at the end of the last day during the flip from GL to Kaschan is the real reason that votes have started to pile up on you. Then there is your decision to state on thread that you don't think that GL can be scum and that we should ignore him today. When town has ignored failed lynches in past games that has always came back to haunt them. But your seemingly willingness to ignore the two trains the train on Kasch and the train on GL and how and why those votes built up are suspect and what are driving the votes onto you right now.

It is not, you again are misinterpreting their votes to suit your means. Liosan is voting for me because I have said that I don't see scum playing that way regarding the interactions between GL and I. Eloth is agreeing with Liosan but I think either of these players could be your partner, and that is why I have garnered votes.

My reasons for not wanting to look at GL stem from the fact he first got votes because of a pissing match that involved you, Liosan and him on day one, and it has not left the arena since. My reasons for leaving him alone today is because he was almost lynch, and could have been lynched on day two. There was no resistance to his lynch as you may think there would be with scum. There wasn't, I could have voted for him, he was saying he'd vote for himself, AND I would have voted for him if there was 5 minutes to go to get the lynch.

You are not on the lynch trains, so for me to look at those to find scum would mean for me to not find you, and not look at you, but look how I have hit a nerve, look how you have started to increase your activity from one vote and one player calling you out.

It is kind of funny that you don't see scum trying to save GL from a lynch, but you do see the players voting you as potential scum working together to bring you down. That doesn't mesh on a theoretical level, imho: if you don't believe that saving scum isn't worth it for another scum to put a potential connection on thread, then lynching a single RI townie most definately isn't, either.
Yet you are eager to deny the first possibility, but do try and present the second option as being real.

If you re-read your past few posts on this page, you come across as extremely nervous, and your 'cases' are, at the root, currently pointing fingers back at everyone pointing at you.

[Denul]

Barghast, on 23 June 2014 - 02:05 PM, said:

Denul, on 23 June 2014 - 01:56 PM, said:

Barghast, on 23 June 2014 - 01:46 PM, said:

Like some sort of summary?

day one you pad your post count then advocate lynching the low poster
you make two "cases" because the game stagnated and we needed to get the lynch but then you miss end of day
day two you are hardly existent and again miss the end of day, this breaks your high post count of day one, so your behaviour has changed
day 3 started at the weekend but no one posted, but the first mention of you, a vote for you and you appear, that is deliciously scummy


Then after my vote for you a train has built up on me, seemingly out of no where.

I get to work on monday at the same time and post when I do. You are putting the fact that you are making some kind of "case" on me with the fact that people are voting for you. I don't think the two have anything to do with one another. Your behavior at the end of the last day during the flip from GL to Kaschan is the real reason that votes have started to pile up on you. Then there is your decision to state on thread that you don't think that GL can be scum and that we should ignore him today. When town has ignored failed lynches in past games that has always came back to haunt them. But your seemingly willingness to ignore the two trains the train on Kasch and the train on GL and how and why those votes built up are suspect and what are driving the votes onto you right now.

It is not, you again are misinterpreting their votes to suit your means. Liosan is voting for me because I have said that I don't see scum playing that way regarding the interactions between GL and I. Eloth is agreeing with Liosan but I think either of these players could be your partner, and that is why I have garnered votes.

My reasons for not wanting to look at GL stem from the fact he first got votes because of a pissing match that involved you, Liosan and him on day one, and it has not left the arena since. My reasons for leaving him alone today is because he was almost lynch, and could have been lynched on day two. There was no resistance to his lynch as you may think there would be with scum. There wasn't, I could have voted for him, he was saying he'd vote for himself, AND I would have voted for him if there was 5 minutes to go to get the lynch.

You are not on the lynch trains, so for me to look at those to find scum would mean for me to not find you, and not look at you, but look how I have hit a nerve, look how you have started to increase your activity from one vote and one player calling you out.

It is monday morning. There is no nerve for you to hit. The reason that I am replying to you is called defending yourself. It is what everyone should do when someone votes for them. I also wasn't in a pissing match with GL. I was in a pissing match with Pallid and we agreed to disagree. GL had a couple of comments in there but my disagreement was with Pallid and how he was looking at the game.

You have stated your case on me. I have defended against it. If town feels that my defense doesn't make sense or if your case is brilliant and that I am scum then I will be lynched. I am fine with that. Unlike you I feel that lynch trains are the best place to find scum. So that is where I will be looking. Enjoy your blinders on me.

[Denul]

Barghast, on 23 June 2014 - 02:12 PM, said:

Liosan, on 23 June 2014 - 02:00 PM, said:

Barghast, on 23 June 2014 - 01:33 PM, said:

Liosan, on 23 June 2014 - 12:21 PM, said:

Barghast, on 23 June 2014 - 10:37 AM, said:

I am not going to focus on GL today, day one and two he has been focused on by all. In my eyes GL has a pass. I don't see scum interacting like that on thread, ie between him and I. No way, because if one is lynched and turns out scum then there is a direct link between two players.

I will do a more in depth read, but regardless of anything I remember thinking Denul's play needs to be questioned and looked at. Also his vote after the lynch was scummy.

Vote Denul

But if you're town, why would he not do that? It leads us to look at you, which, if you were town, would lead to a town lynch and would be good for scum. Only reason you wouldn't believe he'd make a link between you two is if you were scum. Its the only situation where it would hurt scum to interact like that. This seems like a slip to me.

It's still early, but

Vote Barghast

I don't know which side of the fence to put you on Liosan, I am leaning towards town but your focus since day one has been on GL and nothing else, I applaud your vote for me but you are doing it again based of GL which is rather safe from you isn't it?

Its not based on GL, its based on the way you talked about why GL is town to you. The way you explained it only makes sense if you are scum, because scum buddying with town, taking the townie down with them when they get lynched is actually solid play, not bad play as you seem to think. Your logic makes the assumption that you are scum. Since you posted about yourself, it looks like a freudian slip, ergo the vote. It honestly doesnt matter who you were talking about, just what you said.

I am willing to let my GL suspicions go for a little, because whether or not he's scum, I'm pretty sure you are.

I don't get you, I am literally feeling like a dumb fucktard for even reading what you wrote.

As I seem to be a little simple minded right now, can you please dumb this down for me.

From what I can gather, you are thinking of me as scum because I am thinking GL is town because of his play, selflessness and other factors that I dare not go into because of possible modkill.

Go back to the beginning Liosan, look at your shitty argument, its day one, its okay to have one, but since then you have focused on it and convinced yourself GL is scum, whereas I have looked at the thread, participated in the action towards end of day, when it matter, I was there, and in the dogfight towards the end of day, and from that point I thought of both Kaschan and GL as town, I even said I thought Kaschan seemed new, which I was right with. So there is no way for you to convince me that GL is scum, and I won't vote for him, and from what I can gather that makes me scum in your eyes, BUT I DON'T SEE WHY?

Town does not clear anyone unless they are a finder. You are attempting to clear someone. That is suspicious.

The person who you are clearing was at l-2 yesterday and you helped push a lynch onto someone else. That is doubly suspicious. How do you not see any of that? Or understand it?

[Eloth]

In connection to what I worded in #385 (there might be cross-posts);

why would a townie jump so high and so nervously, especially after the key role they played in the end of the previous day?
If you felt Kaschan was a newbie, and (perhaps) town, you must feel VERY strong about GL to want to save him.

And it wasn't like it is obvious that GL is town, to begin with. Almost half of yesterday's thread didn't feel that way, considering the amount of votes on GL. Yet you did, and flat out refuse to vote him today (as does Ampelas, but with the notion that GL still deserves scrutiny and maybe a lynch later on - no such hesitation with you). That's simply not a good play for an RI in a game in which we'll never be certain about anyone's alignment unless they're NKed, and that certainty could be because you're scum and therefore KNOW their alignment.

[Denul]

Barghast, on 23 June 2014 - 01:57 PM, said:

Denul, on 23 June 2014 - 01:47 PM, said:

Barghast, on 23 June 2014 - 01:21 PM, said:

Day one Page four Denul looks to be extra helpful, posting vote counts and post counts and points a finger at Atrahal for having low content. Denul's posts have been high up to this point, as he shows us, he was the top poster up to this point.



He then wants to push against the low posters, so he definitely has a game plan.

Not only that but people were finding the Pallid/Denul exchange rather scummy and opting to vote for Pallid over Denul.

Did I vote for Atrahal? Did I say that we should lynch a low poster on day 1? Umm no. I stated that Atrahal hadn't made anything other then a opening post. *Sarcasm* That is a brilliant game plan if I ever saw one. *Sarcasm*

*Sarcasm*My god I can control how other people view the game and how they vote!! At last the power is mine. Beware all other players! *Sarcasm*

Your seriously stretching to reach for anything aren't you. Your stawmanning case making is a bit weak though.

The quote is right there, why mention it if you didn't view it as vote worthy? You brought attention upon him by saying so, and the posts before that, showing post count, then showing how little time we have left, you cast line and was hoping for some people to bite so that you can lead a lynch on a known town player. No one bit, and therefore you left it. Enough to miss the end of day? You decide, but there's evidence that supports what I say, and you call it strawmanning to downplay the fact that it was and is scummy

It was day 1. I see a lot of things that are scummy. I don't bother to vote for all of them. I just point them out to keep them in the back of my head as I go through the game thread in later days. The only evidence is the evidence that you are trying to put there. I haven't lead a lynch on anyone. I have voted for a couple of people and that is it.

[Barghast]

Eloth, on 23 June 2014 - 02:20 PM, said:

Barghast, on 23 June 2014 - 02:05 PM, said:

Denul, on 23 June 2014 - 01:56 PM, said:

Barghast, on 23 June 2014 - 01:46 PM, said:

Like some sort of summary?

day one you pad your post count then advocate lynching the low poster
you make two "cases" because the game stagnated and we needed to get the lynch but then you miss end of day
day two you are hardly existent and again miss the end of day, this breaks your high post count of day one, so your behaviour has changed
day 3 started at the weekend but no one posted, but the first mention of you, a vote for you and you appear, that is deliciously scummy


Then after my vote for you a train has built up on me, seemingly out of no where.

I get to work on monday at the same time and post when I do. You are putting the fact that you are making some kind of "case" on me with the fact that people are voting for you. I don't think the two have anything to do with one another. Your behavior at the end of the last day during the flip from GL to Kaschan is the real reason that votes have started to pile up on you. Then there is your decision to state on thread that you don't think that GL can be scum and that we should ignore him today. When town has ignored failed lynches in past games that has always came back to haunt them. But your seemingly willingness to ignore the two trains the train on Kasch and the train on GL and how and why those votes built up are suspect and what are driving the votes onto you right now.

It is not, you again are misinterpreting their votes to suit your means. Liosan is voting for me because I have said that I don't see scum playing that way regarding the interactions between GL and I. Eloth is agreeing with Liosan but I think either of these players could be your partner, and that is why I have garnered votes.

My reasons for not wanting to look at GL stem from the fact he first got votes because of a pissing match that involved you, Liosan and him on day one, and it has not left the arena since. My reasons for leaving him alone today is because he was almost lynch, and could have been lynched on day two. There was no resistance to his lynch as you may think there would be with scum. There wasn't, I could have voted for him, he was saying he'd vote for himself, AND I would have voted for him if there was 5 minutes to go to get the lynch.

You are not on the lynch trains, so for me to look at those to find scum would mean for me to not find you, and not look at you, but look how I have hit a nerve, look how you have started to increase your activity from one vote and one player calling you out.

It is kind of funny that you don't see scum trying to save GL from a lynch, but you do see the players voting you as potential scum working together to bring you down. That doesn't mesh on a theoretical level, imho: if you don't believe that saving scum isn't worth it for another scum to put a potential connection on thread, then lynching a single RI townie most definately isn't, either.
Yet you are eager to deny the first possibility, but do try and present the second option as being real.

If you re-read your past few posts on this page, you come across as extremely nervous, and your 'cases' are, at the root, currently pointing fingers back at everyone pointing at you.

who tried to save GL? he could have been lynched? If I was scum partners with GL and I was that frantic towards the end of day then we'd deserve to lose, so I'm calling bullshit if you're thinking that.

If you are saying someone else tried to save GL then who? I didn't see it at the time.

[Liosan]

Barghast, on 23 June 2014 - 02:12 PM, said:

Liosan, on 23 June 2014 - 02:00 PM, said:

Barghast, on 23 June 2014 - 01:33 PM, said:

Liosan, on 23 June 2014 - 12:21 PM, said:

Barghast, on 23 June 2014 - 10:37 AM, said:

I am not going to focus on GL today, day one and two he has been focused on by all. In my eyes GL has a pass. I don't see scum interacting like that on thread, ie between him and I. No way, because if one is lynched and turns out scum then there is a direct link between two players.

I will do a more in depth read, but regardless of anything I remember thinking Denul's play needs to be questioned and looked at. Also his vote after the lynch was scummy.

Vote Denul

But if you're town, why would he not do that? It leads us to look at you, which, if you were town, would lead to a town lynch and would be good for scum. Only reason you wouldn't believe he'd make a link between you two is if you were scum. Its the only situation where it would hurt scum to interact like that. This seems like a slip to me.

It's still early, but

Vote Barghast

I don't know which side of the fence to put you on Liosan, I am leaning towards town but your focus since day one has been on GL and nothing else, I applaud your vote for me but you are doing it again based of GL which is rather safe from you isn't it?

Its not based on GL, its based on the way you talked about why GL is town to you. The way you explained it only makes sense if you are scum, because scum buddying with town, taking the townie down with them when they get lynched is actually solid play, not bad play as you seem to think. Your logic makes the assumption that you are scum. Since you posted about yourself, it looks like a freudian slip, ergo the vote. It honestly doesnt matter who you were talking about, just what you said.

I am willing to let my GL suspicions go for a little, because whether or not he's scum, I'm pretty sure you are.

I don't get you, I am literally feeling like a dumb fucktard for even reading what you wrote.

As I seem to be a little simple minded right now, can you please dumb this down for me.

From what I can gather, you are thinking of me as scum because I am thinking GL is town because of his play, selflessness and other factors that I dare not go into because of possible modkill.

Go back to the beginning Liosan, look at your shitty argument, its day one, its okay to have one, but since then you have focused on it and convinced yourself GL is scum, whereas I have looked at the thread, participated in the action towards end of day, when it matter, I was there, and in the dogfight towards the end of day, and from that point I thought of both Kaschan and GL as town, I even said I thought Kaschan seemed new, which I was right with. So there is no way for you to convince me that GL is scum, and I won't vote for him, and from what I can gather that makes me scum in your eyes, BUT I DON'T SEE WHY?

My vote for you isnt about GL. You say you dont see scum interacting on thread like you and GL did, since it would connect you to him, and you'd get lynched because of it. But that presupposes you being scum. Since i cant remember any real pressure on you before today, it seems like a really bad slip. I'm letting my case on GL go. Your connection to him isnt the point. Of course, trying to clear him is suspicious, but town does that all the time as we so I won't go there. It's all about the way you worded your post about what you wanted to happen today.

This is on my phone so forgive me any errors

[Eloth]

Barghast, on 23 June 2014 - 02:33 PM, said:

Eloth, on 23 June 2014 - 02:20 PM, said:

Barghast, on 23 June 2014 - 02:05 PM, said:

Denul, on 23 June 2014 - 01:56 PM, said:

Barghast, on 23 June 2014 - 01:46 PM, said:

Like some sort of summary?

day one you pad your post count then advocate lynching the low poster
you make two "cases" because the game stagnated and we needed to get the lynch but then you miss end of day
day two you are hardly existent and again miss the end of day, this breaks your high post count of day one, so your behaviour has changed
day 3 started at the weekend but no one posted, but the first mention of you, a vote for you and you appear, that is deliciously scummy


Then after my vote for you a train has built up on me, seemingly out of no where.

I get to work on monday at the same time and post when I do. You are putting the fact that you are making some kind of "case" on me with the fact that people are voting for you. I don't think the two have anything to do with one another. Your behavior at the end of the last day during the flip from GL to Kaschan is the real reason that votes have started to pile up on you. Then there is your decision to state on thread that you don't think that GL can be scum and that we should ignore him today. When town has ignored failed lynches in past games that has always came back to haunt them. But your seemingly willingness to ignore the two trains the train on Kasch and the train on GL and how and why those votes built up are suspect and what are driving the votes onto you right now.

It is not, you again are misinterpreting their votes to suit your means. Liosan is voting for me because I have said that I don't see scum playing that way regarding the interactions between GL and I. Eloth is agreeing with Liosan but I think either of these players could be your partner, and that is why I have garnered votes.

My reasons for not wanting to look at GL stem from the fact he first got votes because of a pissing match that involved you, Liosan and him on day one, and it has not left the arena since. My reasons for leaving him alone today is because he was almost lynch, and could have been lynched on day two. There was no resistance to his lynch as you may think there would be with scum. There wasn't, I could have voted for him, he was saying he'd vote for himself, AND I would have voted for him if there was 5 minutes to go to get the lynch.

You are not on the lynch trains, so for me to look at those to find scum would mean for me to not find you, and not look at you, but look how I have hit a nerve, look how you have started to increase your activity from one vote and one player calling you out.

It is kind of funny that you don't see scum trying to save GL from a lynch, but you do see the players voting you as potential scum working together to bring you down. That doesn't mesh on a theoretical level, imho: if you don't believe that saving scum isn't worth it for another scum to put a potential connection on thread, then lynching a single RI townie most definately isn't, either.
Yet you are eager to deny the first possibility, but do try and present the second option as being real.

If you re-read your past few posts on this page, you come across as extremely nervous, and your 'cases' are, at the root, currently pointing fingers back at everyone pointing at you.

who tried to save GL? he could have been lynched? If I was scum partners with GL and I was that frantic towards the end of day then we'd deserve to lose, so I'm calling bullshit if you're thinking that.

If you are saying someone else tried to save GL then who? I didn't see it at the time.

First, way to ignore the rest of my post and rehash your earlier gospel.

Of course GL could have been lynched. He had 4 votes on him at deadline. It was quite a neck-on-neck race. You came out and said he had an inno vibe on thread immediately after he made the sacrifical statement - basically opening up a lot of arguing if someone dared to vote GL after that - and let's not forget, scum can and tries to sound like town all the time.

In addition to that, with no evidence whatsoever, you came out today and said you wouldn't vote GL. Basically, you've CI'd him. In a game with only killers and RIs. That's odd, because the only people who know the CIs, are scum.

Now, your argument continues to be "I'd be outed if GL or I were scum and I saved him so it's a dumb play". There's issues with that.

1. Only if either of you were to be lynched.

2. In the WCS of 3 scum, it wouldn't be the end of the game. It would take us two days to lynch both you, leading to two more kills and then the other guy is still a huge mystery.

3. You do not apply your "this is a silly scum play" when talking about the people voting you. You already branded Liosan scum, and consider either me or Denul their partner, which means you're horribly inconsequential in your theory of scum not trying to be seen together.

4. You haven't replied so far to the theory that just one of you could be scum (either GL, making a desperation play and making it work, fooling you, or you, trying to save the poor inno under fire to make yourself smell of roses).

5. How can you be so fucking certain to say the below?

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I am not going to focus on GL today, day one and two he has been focused on by all. In my eyes GL has a pass.

GL has been focused on for two days. The statement 'he has a pass' sounds like a CI.
Even Ampelas, who publicly said he didn't want to focus on GL today unless new material comes to the fore, didn't go so far to say he is inno, just that the wording on a play that can be either town or scum sounded more like town.

[Eloth]

And with that, I am out for the day.

[Barghast]

Liosan, on 23 June 2014 - 03:33 PM, said:

Barghast, on 23 June 2014 - 02:12 PM, said:

Liosan, on 23 June 2014 - 02:00 PM, said:

Barghast, on 23 June 2014 - 01:33 PM, said:

Liosan, on 23 June 2014 - 12:21 PM, said:

Barghast, on 23 June 2014 - 10:37 AM, said:

I am not going to focus on GL today, day one and two he has been focused on by all. In my eyes GL has a pass. I don't see scum interacting like that on thread, ie between him and I. No way, because if one is lynched and turns out scum then there is a direct link between two players.

I will do a more in depth read, but regardless of anything I remember thinking Denul's play needs to be questioned and looked at. Also his vote after the lynch was scummy.

Vote Denul

But if you're town, why would he not do that? It leads us to look at you, which, if you were town, would lead to a town lynch and would be good for scum. Only reason you wouldn't believe he'd make a link between you two is if you were scum. Its the only situation where it would hurt scum to interact like that. This seems like a slip to me.

It's still early, but

Vote Barghast

I don't know which side of the fence to put you on Liosan, I am leaning towards town but your focus since day one has been on GL and nothing else, I applaud your vote for me but you are doing it again based of GL which is rather safe from you isn't it?

Its not based on GL, its based on the way you talked about why GL is town to you. The way you explained it only makes sense if you are scum, because scum buddying with town, taking the townie down with them when they get lynched is actually solid play, not bad play as you seem to think. Your logic makes the assumption that you are scum. Since you posted about yourself, it looks like a freudian slip, ergo the vote. It honestly doesnt matter who you were talking about, just what you said.

I am willing to let my GL suspicions go for a little, because whether or not he's scum, I'm pretty sure you are.

I don't get you, I am literally feeling like a dumb fucktard for even reading what you wrote.

As I seem to be a little simple minded right now, can you please dumb this down for me.

From what I can gather, you are thinking of me as scum because I am thinking GL is town because of his play, selflessness and other factors that I dare not go into because of possible modkill.

Go back to the beginning Liosan, look at your shitty argument, its day one, its okay to have one, but since then you have focused on it and convinced yourself GL is scum, whereas I have looked at the thread, participated in the action towards end of day, when it matter, I was there, and in the dogfight towards the end of day, and from that point I thought of both Kaschan and GL as town, I even said I thought Kaschan seemed new, which I was right with. So there is no way for you to convince me that GL is scum, and I won't vote for him, and from what I can gather that makes me scum in your eyes, BUT I DON'T SEE WHY?

My vote for you isnt about GL. You say you dont see scum interacting on thread like you and GL did, since it would connect you to him, and you'd get lynched because of it. But that presupposes you being scum. Since i cant remember any real pressure on you before today, it seems like a really bad slip. I'm letting my case on GL go. Your connection to him isnt the point. Of course, trying to clear him is suspicious, but town does that all the time as we so I won't go there. It's all about the way you worded your post about what you wanted to happen today.

This is on my phone so forgive me any errors

Sorry but quote your question and my reply re GL because you are being retarded. It's fine, be retarded, I have no problems with that, get up the post with the original context and tell show me what you are saying because it's idiotic and you're trying to put words in my mouth.

You or Eloth were accusing me of something that I disagreed with and now you are using that as a foundation for a train on me.

[Barghast]

Eloth, on 23 June 2014 - 03:51 PM, said:

Barghast, on 23 June 2014 - 02:33 PM, said:

Eloth, on 23 June 2014 - 02:20 PM, said:

Barghast, on 23 June 2014 - 02:05 PM, said:

Denul, on 23 June 2014 - 01:56 PM, said:

Barghast, on 23 June 2014 - 01:46 PM, said:

Like some sort of summary?

day one you pad your post count then advocate lynching the low poster
you make two "cases" because the game stagnated and we needed to get the lynch but then you miss end of day
day two you are hardly existent and again miss the end of day, this breaks your high post count of day one, so your behaviour has changed
day 3 started at the weekend but no one posted, but the first mention of you, a vote for you and you appear, that is deliciously scummy


Then after my vote for you a train has built up on me, seemingly out of no where.

I get to work on monday at the same time and post when I do. You are putting the fact that you are making some kind of "case" on me with the fact that people are voting for you. I don't think the two have anything to do with one another. Your behavior at the end of the last day during the flip from GL to Kaschan is the real reason that votes have started to pile up on you. Then there is your decision to state on thread that you don't think that GL can be scum and that we should ignore him today. When town has ignored failed lynches in past games that has always came back to haunt them. But your seemingly willingness to ignore the two trains the train on Kasch and the train on GL and how and why those votes built up are suspect and what are driving the votes onto you right now.

It is not, you again are misinterpreting their votes to suit your means. Liosan is voting for me because I have said that I don't see scum playing that way regarding the interactions between GL and I. Eloth is agreeing with Liosan but I think either of these players could be your partner, and that is why I have garnered votes.

My reasons for not wanting to look at GL stem from the fact he first got votes because of a pissing match that involved you, Liosan and him on day one, and it has not left the arena since. My reasons for leaving him alone today is because he was almost lynch, and could have been lynched on day two. There was no resistance to his lynch as you may think there would be with scum. There wasn't, I could have voted for him, he was saying he'd vote for himself, AND I would have voted for him if there was 5 minutes to go to get the lynch.

You are not on the lynch trains, so for me to look at those to find scum would mean for me to not find you, and not look at you, but look how I have hit a nerve, look how you have started to increase your activity from one vote and one player calling you out.

It is kind of funny that you don't see scum trying to save GL from a lynch, but you do see the players voting you as potential scum working together to bring you down. That doesn't mesh on a theoretical level, imho: if you don't believe that saving scum isn't worth it for another scum to put a potential connection on thread, then lynching a single RI townie most definately isn't, either.
Yet you are eager to deny the first possibility, but do try and present the second option as being real.

If you re-read your past few posts on this page, you come across as extremely nervous, and your 'cases' are, at the root, currently pointing fingers back at everyone pointing at you.

who tried to save GL? he could have been lynched? If I was scum partners with GL and I was that frantic towards the end of day then we'd deserve to lose, so I'm calling bullshit if you're thinking that.

If you are saying someone else tried to save GL then who? I didn't see it at the time.

First, way to ignore the rest of my post and rehash your earlier gospel.

Of course GL could have been lynched. He had 4 votes on him at deadline. It was quite a neck-on-neck race. You came out I did not "come out" I was around and active for all that part of day, I put them at neck and neck, and I didn't tip the balance one way or the other.


and said he had an inno vibe on thread immediately after he made the sacrifical statement - basically opening up a lot of arguing if someone dared to vote GL after that - and let's not forget, scum can and tries to sound like town all the time.

retarded. what? excuse me, I repeat, what? Where is your quote?





In addition to that, with no evidence whatsoever, you came out today and said you wouldn't vote GL. Basically, you've CI'd him. In a game with only killers and RIs. That's odd, because the only people who know the CIs, are scum.


No I have not CI'd him, I have said I am not voting for him today, you fuck pieces could have lynched him day one and day two, and there was no resistance, but now you are treating him as a scapegoat, whereas I would prefer to look elsewhere.

Now, your argument continues to be "I'd be outed if GL or I were scum and I saved him so it's a dumb play". There's issues with that.

Lynch me, and then what, he is still scum? He is cleared? Lynch him and he is RI then what? I am scum? Lynch him and he is scum, then yeah lynch me. That'd make sense, nice little triangle you have going, very clean, and bring d day closer without questioning other suspects ie Denul!

1. Only if either of you were to be lynched. Focus on GL and I yeah.

2. In the WCS of 3 scum, it wouldn't be the end of the game. It would take us two days to lynch both you, leading to two more kills and then the other guy is still a huge mystery. Focus on Gl and I again.

3. You do not apply your "this is a silly scum play" when talking about the people voting you. You already branded Liosan scum, and consider either me or Denul their partner, which means you're horribly inconsequential in your theory of scum not trying to be seen together. No I branded Denul scum and either you or Liosan "could" be their partner. Don't fucking switch my words around, you're pathetic

4. You haven't replied so far to the theory that just one of you could be scum (either GL, making a desperation play and making it work, fooling you, or you, trying to save the poor inno under fire to make yourself smell of roses). Why would I assume that? This game is never that easy, by the time we got to the end of the day I had a "feeling" that both of them were innocent and that we were lynching wrong. Going on from there, why would I want to push a lynch on someone I believe to be innocent?

5. How can you be so fucking certain to say the below?

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I am not going to focus on GL today, day one and two he has been focused on by all. In my eyes GL has a pass.

Because there are ample other people playing this game and we have focused on GL for two days straight because of Liosan and Denul on day one

GL has been focused on for two days. The statement 'he has a pass' sounds like a CI.
Even Ampelas, who publicly said he didn't want to focus on GL today unless new material comes to the fore, didn't go so far to say he is inno, just that the wording on a play that can be either town or scum sounded more like town.

So you can see how focusing on GL today stinks. I hope the other people can see that. I feel like I am being played.

Fucking lynch me, see my cf aznd then lynch one of those 3 fuckers. Eloth, Liosan and Denul, because there is 100% a scum right there, and possibly two.

[Liosan]

Barghast, on 23 June 2014 - 10:37 AM, said:

I am not going to focus on GL today, day one and two he has been focused on by all. In my eyes GL has a pass. I don't see scum interacting like that on thread, ie between him and I. No way, because if one is lynched and turns out scum then there is a direct link between two players.

I will do a more in depth read, but regardless of anything I remember thinking Denul's play needs to be questioned and looked at. Also his vote after the lynch was scummy.

Vote Denul

This:
"I don't see scum interacting like that on thread, ie between him and I. No way, because if one is lynched and turns out scum then there is a direct link between two players"

You say GL wouldn't interact with you as he did because if he got lynched it would connect him to you, and scum wouldn't do that. Why wouldn't they? Assuming you're town, interacting with you would frame a townie and be a good move for scum. The only way interacting with you would be a bad move for an almost lynched scum would be if you were scum too,meaning it would connect you two, leading us to look at you. Since you say no scum would interact as GL did with you because it would connect you two, that leads me to see you as scum

Once again. I dont care about GL right now. The only reason GL is involved is that in YOUR hypothetical situation, he was scum.

[Nimander Golit]

Howdy folks, I've had a busy morning at work so haven't had a chance to really dig into what's happened so far today, but from what I've seen, I believe that what we're looking at right now is:

Barghast wants to vote for Denul, going back to someone he's been suspicious of (and not just him mind) since early in the game. He's said that GL gets a pass for today, which I agree with. The point of not lynching GL yesterday was that GL struck me as town. The things he was saying, the ways he was reacting, were all very town. That doesn't give him a pass for the rest of the game, but, as I said at the end of Day 2, I'd rather not spend Day 3 WIFOMing the crap out of the already WIFOMed GL case. The thing about Barghast is that he DOES seem to be freaking out now that he's got some pressure on his shoulders, and that makes me automatically suspicious.

Liosan is up Barghast's ass because of bad wording by Barghast. I think he's making some pretty big assumptions in his 'case' but there is also merit to some of what he's saying. Barghast certainly needs to be watched closely, but I don't think there's anything to prove definitively whether or not he is scum, and I certainly wouldn't seem to adamantly certain about the case as Liosan does.

Eloth is up Barghast's ass for basically the same reason as Liosan. See above for my reaction to that.

Denul has only really defended himself from Barghast's accusations. The thing that gets me is that Denul is still subtly trying to bring the case back around to the GL WIFOM-fest. I agree that we should be keeping an eye on GL, but I think spending another full day arguing over whether or not to lynch GL, then either not getting a lynch, or just barely getting one, is just a waste. The other thing that really rubs me the wrong way about Denul is his voting when it was about 15 minutes after the end of Day 2, and a lynch had already been reached anyway. This always makes me a little suspicious, like maybe he's scum trying to seem like 'oops, I made a mistake.' Of course, he could just be a townie who made a mistake, so I'm currently on the fence about Denul.

To reiterate, in case this wasn't clear in my above few paragraphs, I think that GL is most likely town, and, if I am right about that, is being kept around by scum because of all the stupid WIFOM he is creating. Let's keep an eye on him, but let's not waste our Day 3 looking at him, or talking about why we should have lynched him, or whining about how he's still around and blah blah blah.

Besides me, that leaves, uh, Ampelas, Hood's Path and Sukul Ankhadu.

Ampelas is being reasonable about the GL thing, and that's about it for his input so far today. Just the fact that he's being reasonable about the GL thing makes me want to give him a pass for today, but he's too much of a non-entity for me to completely ignore. Going to be keeping my eye on him.

Hood's Path and Sukul haven't posted yet today.

Hood's Path was around at the end of Day 2, and he's the one who hammered Kaschan. I want to be suspicious of the hammer, but I find it difficult to be suspicious of a hammer when there is as much discussion around how the votes should fall, and who should be lynched, etc. He didn't just pop up out of nowhere and hammer, he participated in a pretty intense end of day discussion before deciding to come down on Kaschan instead of GL. Anyway, so I'm on the fence right now about HP cause that hammer could easily work for a townie OR a scum.

Sukul continues to pretty much be a non-entity with very few posts. If we decide to go the low-poster route today, Sukul would be my vote. I think it wouldn't be a bad idea to do this today given that in a 3-scum scenario, Day 4 would be D-Day, and I hate having to decide between a low-poster and someone with content on a potential D-Day. If Sukul is a low-posting scum, it would suck for us to have to try to decide to vote him out on Day 4 instead of Day 3.

=========

Anyway, in all of that, my lynch choices would be either Barghast, Denul, or, if we decide to go the low poster route, Sukul. I wouldn't be completely opposed to a Liosan lynch, but I'd much rather it fall on either Barghast or Denul than Liosan. I feel we're more likely to find scum amongst those two.

[Barghast]

@liosan


My post was directed at this post by Eloth. So yes, that's why I was coming across the way you assume. THAT is what I am on about.

Reading fail on your part, look at the underlined...

Eloth, on 23 June 2014 - 08:45 AM, said:

Well, interesting end of day. Two trains, some tension at the end, someone offering to self-vote + the predictable refusal (le sigh - a townie plays to survive, yes - but if it causes a likely repeat on the next day, isn't it better to just get it done?), and in the end, a lynch on a player who turns out to be new(ish).

I am not sure how to judge GL offering to off himself. A townie could offer it to give clarity, a scum could offer it to allow someone else to say "don't do it" - which invariably comes, as did it this time. That may have pushed the decision on whom to lynch, in which case, paradoxically, offering to off themselves made sure they weren't lynched due to that demonstration of willingness to go for town's benefit.

It's even worse that this comes in a situation where there's two legit trains. If there's one train but not enough time, it's a legit doubt. But with two trains, both so close to a lynch? Meh.

Thus, we could be looking at a scum banking on town saying "play like town, don't give up" (as if scum would give up?) or even a one-two between scum (GL + Barghast, in that case, to give the encouragement) that could be a play to decommission one train. And that makes the "that is a townish thing to do" statement not perfectly true, either.

Even with all that behind me, I also dislike the train on Kaschan. There's some people there who have been questioned.

I can't underline from phone. Just look at were Eloth pegs GL and I as scum.

[Barghast]

Second to last paragraph

[Liosan]

This is what I get for not reading up thoroughly... This is why we have the reply function.

Remove Vote

Now I kinda feel stupid. But that's mafia for you.

----so moving on from that, and as you all wish, away from the GL WIFOM, does anyone other than Nimander have any thoughts on Ampelas? I'll bring up what I have on him so far when I get home in like 30 mins, but I think he warrants a closer look