[Galayn Lord]

One fair point to keep in mind is why the people who are alive are still alive. At least in part because we've been consistently pointing the finger away from true scum, so throwing any preconceptions out now would be a good idea. I've got the whole weekend to read up but probably won't be able to do much quote-posting as will me mostly on my phone, but I'll try and get it all together on Monday.

[Pallid]

argh, had a lovely long follow up post eaten.

retyping, this is basically what it said, ignoring eloths latest post:

kasch is a logical lynch target because:

if eloth is telling the truth he might get lucky again tonight, leaving the surviving killer with a dilema regarding nk choice
if elith is lying in any shape or form he faces a dilema (if symp then sukul was other killer and thus a win so assume lying means killer) as well, who to kill, withhold again jn further attempt to confirm innocence?

kasch is the right lynch today, If I am wrong I will accept a suitable punishment forfeit from my fellow town.

barghast - almost lynched - madness to nk
denul - everyone suspicious of - madness to nk
GL - most people suspicious of - madness to nk
eloth - survival wifom - madness to nk

kasch - cruising under the radar, taking no heat, unlikely lynch candidate, perfect nk

so that is why kasch should go, leaves the remaining killer with a dilemma, and if eloth AND GL are telling the truth then the target on gl is explained as trying to dodge a healer. But ninja, healer and bp?

if kasxh flips killer I wont be sprinting ti lynch eloth, its part of why I'm aiming for kasch first (that and if he is telling the truth, wellhe might buy us another day with a heal)

if I'm wrong, the killers win, I accept that and an willing to put my neck out onthis one

[Denul]

Eloth, on 30 May 2014 - 04:57 PM, said:

Pallid, on 30 May 2014 - 04:55 PM, said:

no, too keen for it now eloth.

my vote stays where it is

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Vote Ampelas

Pallid you could be scum because my reads have been wrong. Why did Eloth vote amp if he believed amp to be town? Protecting him every night only to kill him in the day. Doesn't make sense.

[Pallid]

if eloths a killer he didn't protect amp, he picked a pro town appearing player to buddy up too then lynched him knowing full well what the cf would be

if he is a healer then I agree his vote makes no sense unless he was frustrated and wanted to see a cf to prove to himself amp was town.

but as a killer I prefer to off Kasch because I believe him to be a killer, eloth is part paranoia on my part over the reveal and part logic so I'm not as confident

[Eloth]

Denul, on 31 May 2014 - 01:05 PM, said:

Eloth, on 30 May 2014 - 04:57 PM, said:

Pallid, on 30 May 2014 - 04:55 PM, said:

no, too keen for it now eloth.

my vote stays where it is

Remove Vote

Vote Ampelas

Pallid you could be scum because my reads have been wrong. Why did Eloth vote amp if he believed amp to be town? Protecting him every night only to kill him in the day. Doesn't make sense.

Pallid, on 31 May 2014 - 01:32 PM, said:

if eloths a killer he didn't protect amp, he picked a pro town appearing player to buddy up too then lynched him knowing full well what the cf would be

if he is a healer then I agree his vote makes no sense unless he was frustrated and wanted to see a cf to prove to himself amp was town.

but as a killer I prefer to off Kasch because I believe him to be a killer, eloth is part paranoia on my part over the reveal and part logic so I'm not as confident

I healed him every night because he was the towniest player in the game.
I voted to lynch him because that's where the the lynch was inevitably going, and while I disagreed with it I was unable to convince anyone else to vote for a more likely target, so I wanted to rip off the band-aid and have it be done with. That he came up RI is a nice bonus for me to be sure so I didn't look and feel like a total idiot healing scum all game long.

[Eloth]

After last night in order of posting;

1. Pallid seems to finally accept, or be leaning almost completey in that direction that I am being honest about being the healer.
2. Kaschan still has doubts but doesnt retread over them.
3. Barghast is leaning more towards me being honest about being healer.
4. Galayn Lord almost completey accepts that I am the healer.

5. Denul appears;

Denul, on 30 May 2014 - 10:48 PM, said:

I don't know who I am anymore. 6 alive that means we lynch and night kill. = scum win.

If we lynch wrong.

I suggest going to night. Odd even rule.

Suggests going to night for stupid reasons.

Denul, on 31 May 2014 - 07:36 AM, said:

If we lynch wrong and 2 scum then they win.

Quick thought Pallid. If Sukul was a killer then only one scum left, Eloth could have witheld a kill if he knew it wasn't d day.

If we are to trust Eloth then going to night may be good to remove him from the game because scum cannot afford to keep him around and he already said he can't self heal.

Once more brings up "He may be scum don't trust him!". Suggests that even if the thread does accept that I am the healer we should still go to night to get me NKed anyway.

Denul, on 31 May 2014 - 01:05 PM, said:

Eloth, on 30 May 2014 - 04:57 PM, said:

Pallid, on 30 May 2014 - 04:55 PM, said:

no, too keen for it now eloth.

my vote stays where it is

Remove Vote

Vote Ampelas

Pallid you could be scum because my reads have been wrong. Why did Eloth vote amp if he believed amp to be town? Protecting him every night only to kill him in the day. Doesn't make sense.

After the rest of the thread seems past this WIFOM-hole Denul pops up and attempts to drag everyone back in trying to stir the pot once more and undermine not only that I am the healer, but doing a 180 degree turn on Pallid after I confirm him town.

THIS IS SCUM BEHAVIOUR.

[Pallid]

denul attmwpts to redivert my attention to you of my two targets over kasch also warrants note. But I'm sticking to my guns on kasch

[Denul]

I'm not voting today. If you think the odd even rule is there for shits and giggles then that's up to you.

[Denul]

vote night

I would rather have another cf and a full read up before trying to lynch scum.

[Eloth]

Denul, on 31 May 2014 - 05:09 PM, said:

vote night

I would rather have another cf and a full read up before trying to lynch scum.

We have FOUR DAYS for a "full read up"

Have you just completely given up?

[Denul]

Game cannot finish unless we lynch wrong. Monday will be earliest before I can get online.

I've not given up. I want us to win.

[Pallid]

I don't see the logic here

[Eloth]

Pallid, on 31 May 2014 - 06:55 PM, said:

I don't see the logic here

That we have 6 alive and are still playing means there can only be 2 scum


If we let them NK we are down to 5 alive , still only 2 scum. They do not have parity (they dont win that day)
If we lynch wrong and they NK, they have parity (they win)

Denul wants us to let them NK someone who we have 1 more CF. I think this is an incredibly bad move because that 1 CF of whoever they NK is incredibly unlikely to give us the information we need to find them.

We have a lot of time, so we could even go through every potential scenario if we wanted.

EG - If X is NKed that means Y + Z are likely the scum based on their previous actions.

I can see NO POSSIBLE advantage to trying to go to night when we have what 70 hours left to figure this out?

[Pallid]

exactly

[Kaschan]

Denul, on 31 May 2014 - 05:09 PM, said:

vote night

I would rather have another cf and a full read up before trying to lynch scum.

I am on my phone and just glancing at the thread while at ikea. This is the scummiest thing all game!!!

[Barghast]

Pallid, on 31 May 2014 - 09:03 AM, said:

man we need to get a post isolation feature, view content just does not work correctly.

Bargh - everyone if us has voted for at some stage
Pallid - only Eloth (day one)
Kasch - Gl, Eloth, Pallid
Denul - Eloth, Pallid
Eloth - GL, Denul, Bargh, Pallid, Kasch (so everyone again)
GL - Eloth, Kasch



now this was me flicking through the thread catching post counts only, a few caught my eye on the way through that weren't on post counts (mine on Kasch and Kasch on Eloth)
However the entire time I've been thinking, its Eloth and Kasch. Its Eloth and Kasch.

Quite the turn around eh? But what if they knew/ suspected their symp was gone, with holding a kill and "CI"ing me in the process is the play to make, most players have expressed their feelings of town ness toward me, I've kind of been on Eloths side but still suspicious of him enough to push for the Amp lynch, getting me on board would give Eloth a run home.
Now, stopping me is thatof the six surviving I was a logica scum target, only Kasch has drawn as little heat as I have. Killing Denul or Eloth at this time would be madness due to survival WIFOM, GL has been under surveillance since his reveal, Bargh was almost lynched. But my play hasn't been great, my gut has been awful and I've been involved in every bad lynch so far (all of them) Kaschs play has been under the radar constant, the fact that he and Eloth are both still alive sets bells ringing. WIFOM aside, the healer should not still be alive. Kasch was the sole survivor who was not there at reveal time.

I just can't shake this feeling that he's a killer, for a partner GL doesn't fit the bill, Denul, hell he's just analysed so much of the game I'm beyond thinking he's a killer, so verbose, Barghast Kasch has voted on, more than once iirc (don't quote me on that)

Then the was the cool and calm, pull back from hammering, could have dropped the hammer, but again, without surity of a symp, it wouldn't be game (even with a NK) Barghast was happy to drop it.

Its Eloth and Kasch



vote Kasch

I still think it's most likely GL and Kaschan. I'd rather see GL lynched first, to be more sure about Kaschan, but I'll settle for this. The only thing that worries me is Denul's voting night, and the fact that you think it's Kaschan and Eloth instead of Kaschan and GL. I'm worried over giving GL a pass over a reveal that can't be proven. The way I see it, is if I'm wrong, then I'll feel ok with going after GL because of his and Eloth's both claiming roles. I think it's fishy, and won't feel bad for going with this logic. I think anyone would be willing to test at least one of these claims.

Another thing though pallid, is if it is Eloth and 'X', then it scares me because he claimed to heal you, and you're pretty much saying you think Eloth is the other scum, but if we're wrong, it MIGHT be game over, and we won't get to see if you were right about Eloth, or pulling our leg. Eloth's logic is that of he was scum, he wouldn't have withheld a kill to make himself look inno, he would have killed and won. But the same could be said of whoever the killer(s) is. Why did they not just go after Eloth, and guarantee a kill instead of risking choosing someone that could be healed. Arrrrg. There's so much confusion around those two reveals by Eloth and GL. I think you realize it might start sounding very scummy to not want to vote for one of the two reveals, so you're making sure to throw Eloth in your 'suspect' list. The thing is, if this is Dday, you could be pulling off an amazing snow job on us. Basically this is weird, I know, but I want to trust you and Eloth, with Denul being an iffy(more so scummy with the vote night thing) , so I'm left with GL and Kaschan. I want to trust you and Eloth , but I don't like how you're denouncing him as scum, when before you kept saying you trusted him, yet finding a way not to vote for him.

The thing is, I've racked my brain thinking over every possibility, even the most remote that maybe Sukul was a killer who wasn't up for the task and got modkilled. I doubt it to hell, but it is mafia and everything has to be considered.

In the end, you said you're not coming off your vote for Kaschan, and I'm willing to role the dice on him.

remove vote




I'll wait before laying a vote down, because if we're wrong, and there's 2 scum left, they could hammer. But in the end, the decision is going to come down to whoever we can agree on, and not everyone can get their top pick. We know there's at least one scum(unless this is some sick mind game and someone will die for real if so), and possibly 2, so in that case the 4 town would all have to vote correctly.

[Denul]

Picking from 5 is better than 6.

[Eloth]

Okay so in the spirit of Denul wanting to kill one of us for a CF that won't do anything we can't do now;

Bear in mind that the point of him desiring one of us to get NKed is 100% to lose a town, so all of these scenarios presuppose that fact, even if I think they are scum or whatever.


Scenario 1; Pallid is NKed. Discuss.

In this scenario I am somewhat vindicated as healer after confirming him as Town the day before. However scum will still refuse to let he WIFOM die (Denul) and keep stirring the pot. The two people I feel are most likely to be scum in this scenario are Kaschan and Denul.

Kaschan because I think he is going to turn up scum in most scenarios, and Denul because he did a recent out of NOWHERE 180 degree turn on Pallid, has been eager to restart the WIFOM surrounding me, and may kill him to try and cast doubt on me being the healer by saying "Eloth withheld a day, called him town then killed him, hes trying to fake clear himself!"

Future thoughts people?

We can go through every person still alive like this before day times out. I would prefer not to see any more votes until we have finished this or something.

Edit: Changed "oiut" to out and "take" to fake

This post has been edited by Eloth: 02 June 2014 - 08:14 AM

[Eloth]

Eloth, on 02 June 2014 - 08:02 AM, said:

We can go through every person still alive like this before day times out. I would prefer not to see any more votes until we have finished this or something.

*until we have finished this or something happens like a scum makes a slip

[Denul]

I'm here today, having a kick read.

WCS scenario there are 2 scum yes. We have to work to that work plan due to you know, WCS! So we have to find a possible pairing amongst 6 players. What I suggest is removing an extra element of doubt and narrowing the suspects and having one extra day.

I can think more on it now and look at questions. What bothers me, is the lack of cases so far. I was wrong with my Amp case but at least I made one.

You're barking up the wrong tree thinking of me as scum in anyway shape or form. Why would I propose going to night and highlight myself as scummy? It doesn't make sense because I was not being looked at. If there is 1 scum left then I would lynch Eloth 100% but that is too lazy for this stage of the game.