[Denul]

quick question Eloth

Why did you not code in that you are a healer early on?

[Denul]

I think if I was to vote anyone today it would be Eloth.

From a scum PoV

He has created a lot of Wifom, even before the reveal he wanted to discuss why HP died.

Before that, I made a post about Pallid, in that post I said I didn't think he was scum, and I have had those opinions most of the way through the game, it's why I have not looked at Pallid since. Yet with 6 players left, he could be scum. I think Eloth defending Pallid here is interesting though. After my little dig at Pallid, Eloths says...

Eloth, on 22 May 2014 - 11:21 AM, said:

Denul you are treating everything after that post as genuine and serious, when I think most of them are still humorous/joking. It wasn't until you started posting about it that things heated up.

Not sure I like where you are trying to take this thread, you admit he's unlikely to be scum then continue trying to vilify him and make others hostile to him as well. You are within the same post contradicting yourself here. Why?

and

Eloth, on 22 May 2014 - 11:24 AM, said:

I don't think any symp would be so reactionary and vehement about a couple of joke posts, they might sweat a bit but this is not a proportional or reasonable response a symp would have. I think you are reaching here.

Further signalling from Eloth in this quote below.

Eloth, on 22 May 2014 - 12:01 PM, said:

Denul, on 22 May 2014 - 11:33 AM, said:

Eloth, on 22 May 2014 - 11:24 AM, said:

I don't think any symp would be so reactionary and vehement about a couple of joke posts, they might sweat a bit but this is not a proportional or reasonable response a symp would have. I think you are reaching here.

I see you voted for Pallid, was that just a joke?
And now for something completely different is a well known Monty Python phrase between bits, it signalled the end of one line of thought and the begining of another, yes it was a joke

So you think Pallid is joking with his posts?
No not joking, pallid responded very aggressively to the double vote, and I don't yet know why, it of course is worth further consideration, but we can't draw any conclusions from it I think.

I am not taking the thread anywhere. What else do you want me to focus on?
Learning how to pole-dance, obviously.

Ampelas made a point about Hood putting two people in his little post, like a signal to a master. That is more symp like, subtle, but HP would know we look out for that sort of stuff. You can wifom how town and scum play all you like, but I personally don't get Pallid's reaction to Fener's vote.

I don't think there is a lot to understand about Pallid's reaction, he saw something he didn't like and went for the throat, like a wolf! You are right that it does bear monitoring but more than that? *shrug*

Answered in red

Edit: Fixed beat to bear

These sort of posts and points are what makes me look at Eloth like he is scum.


From a partnership Pov

Ties himself next to Pallid pretty early. The vote is not going to be followed so allows early distancing

Eloth, on 21 May 2014 - 09:24 PM, said:

Pallid, on 21 May 2014 - 09:14 PM, said:

jumping straight on to bandwagoning lio?

what the fuck?

Agreed wholeheartedly bandwagoning is chickenshit, and now for something completely different;

Vote Pallid

If Eloth is a symp then I could see this as voting for his master especially combined with this next vote

Eloth, on 22 May 2014 - 09:58 AM, said:

Denul, on 22 May 2014 - 09:18 AM, said:

Eloth, on 22 May 2014 - 08:43 AM, said:

Denul, on 22 May 2014 - 08:11 AM, said:

I do like the avatar though, but I agree with you, I see Fener as ginormous. In Crippled God the hoof seemed to cover such a large area, unless that was just a metaphor or great magic.

In TCG he's big enough to cover 4 massive armies, there was some point earlier in the series when he was a more "regular size" when he was hiding in one of the errants temples I think. Don't know what size was specified but I have a really really hard time ever imagining him as smaller than Rood. Just can't see it.

As for pallids vehemence, people can latch onto flimsy day 1 lynches with all their might, so I don't think either of them are really displaying scum traits at the moment.

Anyone catch your eye so far then?

Since we actually only have just over 1 page of posts to look at after the switch up, the only two people who have caught my eye are you and Pallid. So much seriousness from the pair of you over relatively nothing.

When was the last time anything of consequence was said on day 1 that lead to a successful lynch?

Having said that, I'd really like to hear from some of the people who have yet to contribute in any way. Sukul Ankhadu no posts, three people with 1, most of them just checking in. So in that vein;

Remove Vote
Vote Sukul Ankhadu

Get online and give us what ya got, Sukul!

This may explain why they are still around and that today is D day. We lynch wrong thinking Eloth and Pallid are town and scum win.

If Pallid is town he could be being set up by Eloth. So Eloth being the common denominator would be the best lynch.

[Galayn Lord]

I'm here, but going to do a bit more reading of a couple of things before I post later on in the day. Denul's suggestion of going to night is a bit of a curve ball - suggesting going to night is usually a death sentence for that person, but sometimes it does make sense. I am yet, however, to work out if it does in fact make sense in this particular scenario. As I said, I'm going to have a look through a couple of things and see what stands out.

[Eloth]

Scenario 2; Eloth is NKed

After he comes up town Pallid is confirmed town on thread. Everyone feels cheated that I'm not actually scum. Provides the motivation to finaly fucking look elsewhere for the scum. But with Pallid the only known town odds are still 50/50 for actually lynching a scum and since everyone is up for consideration chances are town loses regardless. No obvious scum are revealed from this lynch.



Just want to point out, for the record, that none of the targets I WANT to have lynched HAVE been lynched, and *every single lynch to date* has fucking FAILED. Maybe it's time to listen to someone else?

Going to run through each of these now because it looks like there aren't a lot of people on, and it is in Denuls favour to ignore these so his "go to night" option begins to look better over time (it still sucks ass at time of writing).

[Denul]

Eloth, on 02 June 2014 - 12:29 PM, said:

Scenario 2; Eloth is NKed

After he comes up town Pallid is confirmed town on thread. Everyone feels cheated that I'm not actually scum. Provides the motivation to finaly fucking look elsewhere for the scum. But with Pallid the only known town odds are still 50/50 for actually lynching a scum and since everyone is up for consideration chances are town loses regardless. No obvious scum are revealed from this lynch.



Just want to point out, for the record, that none of the targets I WANT to have lynched HAVE been lynched, and *every single lynch to date* has fucking FAILED. Maybe it's time to listen to someone else?

Going to run through each of these now because it looks like there aren't a lot of people on, and it is in Denuls favour to ignore these so his "go to night" option begins to look better over time (it still sucks ass at time of writing).

How is it that Pallid comes up clear if you are lynched?

[Eloth]

Scenario 3; Barghast is NKed.

When he comes up town, the scum get to keep the WIFOM of "maybe he is healer maybe he isn't!", pallid remains unconfirmed town to anyone else. At this point out of the 3 remaining alive I know for certain that two are scum. That would be Denul, Kaschan and GL. Of which Denul seems the MOST FUCKING LIKELY CANDIDATE. But as I remain unconfirmed it is unlikely I will sway people to this lynch as I have failed to do so every day.

[Eloth]

Denul, on 02 June 2014 - 12:38 PM, said:

Eloth, on 02 June 2014 - 12:29 PM, said:

Scenario 2; Eloth is NKed

After he comes up town Pallid is confirmed town on thread. Everyone feels cheated that I'm not actually scum. Provides the motivation to finaly fucking look elsewhere for the scum. But with Pallid the only known town odds are still 50/50 for actually lynching a scum and since everyone is up for consideration chances are town loses regardless. No obvious scum are revealed from this lynch.



Just want to point out, for the record, that none of the targets I WANT to have lynched HAVE been lynched, and *every single lynch to date* has fucking FAILED. Maybe it's time to listen to someone else?

Going to run through each of these now because it looks like there aren't a lot of people on, and it is in Denuls favour to ignore these so his "go to night" option begins to look better over time (it still sucks ass at time of writing).

How is it that Pallid comes up clear if you are lynched?

5 words in I specifically mention being NKed not lynched. If you can't even bother reading the first sentence before jumping on the first chance to contradict me (even incorrectly) don't even waste either of our time.

[Eloth]

Scenario 4; Galayn Lord is NKed

This surprises a number of people who felt he must have been lying about BP reveal since I am considered more likely than not to be healer at this point. Suspicion once again returns to me, despite this being a stupid action for me to take if I am scum. This leaves Denul Kaschan and Barghast alive as not-scum. Once again Denul + kaschan most likely scum IMO.

[Denul]

So you're inviting the night kill on yourself so that Pallid can PI himself?

You are so fucking scummy. You won't be night killed. I won't be. Pallid won't be. It will most probably be Barghast or Galayn Lord because I look lynchable, and so does Kaschan.

You focusing the fucking end of day on night actions, same as fucking day one, wifom, a scum trait. When I said go to night I meant so that the suspect pool is decreased, not to fucking wifom on the fucking night kill itself.

Why are you not going over the fucking thread to find scum? I know because you're not town.

Reply to my case upthread please.

[Eloth]

Scenario 5; Kaschan is NKed

Surprises multiple people, leaves "is he or isn't he " WIFOM alive and well. Since me and Pallid (I think) have been the ones calling for his head the most we are discredited and unlikely to be listened to on the final day. Leaves Denul Barghast and GL alive as possible scum. Would have to say Denul + GL are scum, barghast is a little less likely IMO.

[Denul]

Oh I see, I come up as most "likely" scum in your night kill scenarios. Okay.

[Eloth]

Denul, on 02 June 2014 - 12:51 PM, said:

So you're inviting the night kill on yourself so that Pallid can PI himself?

You are so fucking scummy. You won't be night killed. I won't be. Pallid won't be. It will most probably be Barghast or Galayn Lord because I look lynchable, and so does Kaschan.

You focusing the fucking end of day on night actions, same as fucking day one, wifom, a scum trait. When I said go to night I meant so that the suspect pool is decreased, not to fucking wifom on the fucking night kill itself.

Why are you not going over the fucking thread to find scum? I know because you're not town.

Reply to my case upthread please.

I am focussing on night actions BECAUSE YOU WANT TO GO TO NIGHT ACTIONS WITHOUT EVEN FUCKING TALKING FIRST. Wanting to talk it out BEFORE WE INVITE SCUM TO KILL ONE OF US is a scummy reaction?

I am not going over the thread to find scum because I have already found one. You. But previous attempts to convince people have failed spectacularly, so congratulations you are able to convince people better than me.

[Denul]

Ha ha

[Kaschan]

I am spending today (RL) with the family (took a vaca day) so will not be able to post very much. I will try to get on later but we are going to be doing a bunch of gardening.

I agree with Eloth. I think that denul is scum.

vote denul

[Denul]

Kaschan, on 02 June 2014 - 01:11 PM, said:

I am spending today (RL) with the family (took a vaca day) so will not be able to post very much. I will try to get on later but we are going to be doing a bunch of gardening.

I agree with Eloth. I think that denul is scum.

vote denul

Any reasons? Sorry to disturb you on your holiday. You think the odd even rule doesn't work here?

[Path-Shaper]

It is now Day 5. 36 hours remaining (timer is unfrozen).

6 players are alive: Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kaschan, Pallid

4 votes to lynch, 3 votes to go to night.

1 vote Kaschan: Pallid
1 vote Night: Denul
1 vote Denul: Kaschan

Players not voted: Barghast, Eloth, Galayn Lord

[Kaschan]

Denul, on 02 June 2014 - 01:16 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 02 June 2014 - 01:11 PM, said:

I am spending today (RL) with the family (took a vaca day) so will not be able to post very much. I will try to get on later but we are going to be doing a bunch of gardening.

I agree with Eloth. I think that denul is scum.

vote denul

Any reasons? Sorry to disturb you on your holiday. You think the odd even rule doesn't work here?

I don't think that any more information can be gathered from that type of move at this date. The people who are suspected scum will still be alive and we will be at the same point again.

[Denul]

Kaschan, on 02 June 2014 - 02:53 PM, said:

Denul, on 02 June 2014 - 01:16 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 02 June 2014 - 01:11 PM, said:

I am spending today (RL) with the family (took a vaca day) so will not be able to post very much. I will try to get on later but we are going to be doing a bunch of gardening.

I agree with Eloth. I think that denul is scum.

vote denul

Any reasons? Sorry to disturb you on your holiday. You think the odd even rule doesn't work here?

I don't think that any more information can be gathered from that type of move at this date. The people who are suspected scum will still be alive and we will be at the same point again.

Is this the sole reason you label me as scum? It's rather lazy of you to do so on D day. I cannot see your vote as anything but scummy at this stage. There is more than enough information on thread to dissuade you of the notion of me being scum. If the game ends with my lynch then I'd feel horrible.

[Barghast]

Denul, on 31 May 2014 - 05:09 PM, said:

vote night

I would rather have another cf and a full read up before trying to lynch scum.

Denul's decline in presence on thread here at the end is unsettling, but he did say he just bought Skin Games, so hey, COMPLETELY understandable reason if there is one. But the wanting to vote night is extremely, extremely worrisome. Then again, it's not unfathomable to think he actually believes it is the best play. This should be a point of focus going forward.

Denul, on 31 May 2014 - 01:05 PM, said:

Eloth, on 30 May 2014 - 04:57 PM, said:

Pallid, on 30 May 2014 - 04:55 PM, said:

no, too keen for it now eloth.

my vote stays where it is

Remove Vote

Vote Ampelas

Pallid you could be scum because my reads have been wrong. Why did Eloth vote amp if he believed amp to be town? Protecting him every night only to kill him in the day. Doesn't make sense.

But this post shows Denul is clearly thinking things through, tying to figure out everyones motives, in addition to the fact that I'm wondering the very same thing.


Yesterday, Pallid has amp at l-1, and when Kaschan asks him to remove

Pallid, on 30 May 2014 - 05:08 PM, said:

remove vote

He does. He listens to Kaschan, then turns around and votes him today. These are the types of inconsistencies that don't make sense for a true town player.

Pallid, on 30 May 2014 - 06:26 PM, said:

I'm not changing my mind

as JC said, let the die be cast

vote amp

I put amp back at l-1 because honestly I thought amp was more likely scum than probably any other assumption in a long time. Plus, I wanted to see if Eloth had claimed to heal scum, or if he was just claiming to heal who he thought he thread viewed as the most townish player at the time. The same night Eloth claimed to healed amp(and we all assume this was the reason we had no night kill), but GL counter claims that he was the target that night, not amp, and had a BP. (Funny how he continued to live? Supposedly is targeted once, has a BP, so is left alone? This is wifom but if I was a killer Id assumed a BP meant a char that needed to die and kept at it - shrugs)

Only 5 minutes after my vote, Pallid hammers Amp. (At this point, Pallid claims to believe Eloth is our healer, therefore hammers the player his healer chose to heal)


After being the hammer on amp, turns around the next day, possibly Dday and votes Kaschan. It's besides the fact that I also believe it's likely GL and Kaschan as scum, but voting so soon is worrisome, especially how he chooses Kaschan over Denul and his night vote, whom he said doesn't make logical sense, over Eloth whom he now says is scummy(and has the most worrisome reveals to date), and over GL, whom I think is a dead ringer for scum with an unsubstantiated reveal.

I said on thread that I pegged Kaschan as scum, GL said me and Kaschan , so I think pallid might be choosing the path of least resistance. But my head is spinning, because I can see Denul as some sneaky lone healer, Eloth as a very, very smooth scum with sneaky reveals and withheld kills, and mainly GL with his unsubstantiated reveal with Kaschan as his partner.

My main concern at the moment is judging if Pallid's claim that he believes Eloth is scum, as Kaschan's partner, is genuine or if it's distancing. I'm going to give everything one more read and I'll be laying my vote.

[Barghast]

Kaschan, on 02 June 2014 - 01:11 PM, said:

I am spending today (RL) with the family (took a vaca day) so will not be able to post very much. I will try to get on later but we are going to be doing a bunch of gardening.

I agree with Eloth. I think that denul is scum.

vote denul

I think Denul's vote could be genuinely misguided, but there's no way to say for sure. After reading up, I keep getting swayed from GL to Kaschan, to Pallid, to Eloth, to Denul, back to Eloth.

Currently, I can't help a nagging feeling that if Eloth lied to us, he'll be talking shit for the next hundred games. It's very, very bold. Why wouldn't scum kill Eloth last night, and get a confirmed kill instead of gambling on housing someone that could be healed, or as Eloth claims, withholding their kill to frame him. This late in the game that seems a bad choice. If they killed Eloth last night, they'd be in the driver seat.

I'm torn. I'm going back and forth between Denul and Eloth at the moment, but that could change again. I'm going to decide after a few more follow ups.