[Nimander Golit]

Kaschan, on 29 May 2014 - 09:11 PM, said:

Well there are 7 of us on if PS is looking then 6. Which WIFOM should we remove?

The Nimander and Barghast lynch WIFOM
The Eloth and GL healer and BP WIFOM

We have to lynch someone and remove some of this from the game.

I admit that it's rather self serving, but I think there's more to be gained with the Eloth lynch than there is with either myself or Barghast. And GL's vote just now strengthens my argument IMO.

[Kaschan]

Nimander Golit, on 29 May 2014 - 09:18 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 29 May 2014 - 09:11 PM, said:

Well there are 7 of us on if PS is looking then 6. Which WIFOM should we remove?

The Nimander and Barghast lynch WIFOM
The Eloth and GL healer and BP WIFOM

We have to lynch someone and remove some of this from the game.

I admit that it's rather self serving, but I think there's more to be gained with the Eloth lynch than there is with either myself or Barghast. And GL's vote just now strengthens my argument IMO.

Personally the whole thing is a clusterfuck and we need to clear up both things.

[Galayn Lord]

I will literally switch to anyone whose train looks the likeliest. We just need a lynch now.

[Kaschan]

If the 2 of us move over to Eloth can we get a lynch on him?

[Kaschan]

Whelp now there are only 3 anonymous viewers. Since we have all posted I am going to say

Myself, GL and Nimander.

[Kaschan]

It is now Day 3. There are 1 hours 24 minutes remaining.

9 players are alive: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kaschan, Nimander Golit, Pallid

6 votes to lynch. 5 votes to go to night.

1 vote Atrahal: Pallid
1 vote Ampelas: Denul
2 vote Barghast: Kaschan, GL
2 votes Nimander Golit: Eloth, Atrahal
1 vote Eloth: Nimander Golit

Not voted: Ampelas, Barghast

[Galayn Lord]

Kaschan said:

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If the 2 of us move over to Eloth can we get a lynch on him?

Well, then we'd have 4 with 6 needed. Still an hour and 15 minutes left.

[Ampelas]

Kaschan, on 29 May 2014 - 09:20 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 29 May 2014 - 09:18 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 29 May 2014 - 09:11 PM, said:

Well there are 7 of us on if PS is looking then 6. Which WIFOM should we remove?

The Nimander and Barghast lynch WIFOM
The Eloth and GL healer and BP WIFOM

We have to lynch someone and remove some of this from the game.

I admit that it's rather self serving, but I think there's more to be gained with the Eloth lynch than there is with either myself or Barghast. And GL's vote just now strengthens my argument IMO.

Personally the whole thing is a clusterfuck and we need to clear up both things.

I am here now, and basically have to agree that it comes down to how Kaschan lays it out.

[Kaschan]

Well I am out of here. So with only 80 minutes in the day and 2 players with 2 votes we will most likely be doing this again tomorrow.

[Kaschan]

Galayn Lord, on 29 May 2014 - 09:27 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 29 May 2014 - 09:22 PM, said:

If the 2 of us move over to Eloth can we get a lynch on him?

Well, then we'd have 4 with 6 needed. Still an hour and 15 minutes left.

We would have 3 because Nimander is already voting for Eloth

[Eloth]

Nimander Golit, on 29 May 2014 - 09:15 PM, said:

Eloth, on 29 May 2014 - 08:54 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 29 May 2014 - 08:36 PM, said:

Pallid, on 29 May 2014 - 08:16 PM, said:

sigh.

Lets guess what happens tonight to further wifom us all up after all you genius pushed to remove any doubt. Well fucking played

^ this.

I see no reason to keep Eloth alive. The worst that happens is we find out he wasn't lying. It removes all possible wifom relating to whether he's a healer or not. And I'm already on record as saying that I think he's scummy. He'll CF as killer, RI, or healer. Any of those help us.

Remove Vote

Vote Eloth

You asked the fucking question, now you are trying to lynch me for answering you?

Doh. Yeah. I had already stated that I thought lynching you was a logical move and that I thought you could be scummy. Once you implied that you couldn't self-heal you made yourself a liability. Scum can keep you alive and guessing who they're going to pick while we have to deal with the wifom you created by revealing a non-provable role.

I'll vote for myself and get this over with if everyone keeps this self-serving baiting tactic in mind, getting a revealed healer to try and screw himself just to avoid his own lynch. Does not serve town. Serves only himself.

[Kaschan]

Ampelas, on 29 May 2014 - 09:28 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 29 May 2014 - 09:20 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 29 May 2014 - 09:18 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 29 May 2014 - 09:11 PM, said:

Well there are 7 of us on if PS is looking then 6. Which WIFOM should we remove?

The Nimander and Barghast lynch WIFOM
The Eloth and GL healer and BP WIFOM

We have to lynch someone and remove some of this from the game.

I admit that it's rather self serving, but I think there's more to be gained with the Eloth lynch than there is with either myself or Barghast. And GL's vote just now strengthens my argument IMO.

Personally the whole thing is a clusterfuck and we need to clear up both things.

I am here now, and basically have to agree that it comes down to how Kaschan lays it out.

Who do you want to vote for?

[Kaschan]

I am leaving

[Ampelas]

Nimander Golit, on 29 May 2014 - 06:28 PM, said:

I saw the healer reveal before leaving, but I doubt that I would have removed and I almost certainly wouldn't have voted Barghast. Barghast's vote on Eloth makes sense to me at that point in time. Healer reveal looked like a ploy to gain a day. Easy claim to make because you can't prove it. And once revealed, if true, he's going to be dead shortly anyway. Test the reveal. And only one way to do that. And Barghast's vote on Eloth after the reveal would be incredibly stupid for scum. Why not just say, "oh, ok, well I'm not going to vote myself", wait it out, and NK him. That vote actually made a Barghast lynch more likely. Very, very ballsy or town.

No lynch, then no NK. WIFOM of course, but I find the two most likely explanations are Eloth is a killer or the killer abstained upon seeing the reveal. The latter requires that the killer did see the healer reveal and decided to throw some WIFOM into play. To be fair, I could easily be the killer under the latter condition. I'm not but somebody will bring it up.

Now that I'm looking at this through sober eyes:

Remove Vote


I still think you're scum, but I want to think on this a bit further.

So you're saying that what Barghast did was logical and sensible, but that also makes it a ballsy move for scum? You go so far as to say you would not have voted for him...I'm not sure how to reconcile those things.

Also, part of your accusation of me is about my attitude towards no lynch at the end of Day 1 (something I've explained already). Yet here you are saying you yourself would not have voted Barghast to get a lynch.

[Ampelas]

Kaschan, on 29 May 2014 - 09:32 PM, said:

Who do you want to vote for?

Because I've felt Eloth is telling the truth, the WIFOM of Nimander/Barghast is more pressing for me. I will vote for either.

[Ampelas]

Barghast, on 29 May 2014 - 04:40 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 29 May 2014 - 01:11 PM, said:

It's not ENTIRELY improbable that all those roles exist in this game. Vig of any type tends to kill town more often than not, and I'm guessing the BP and Heal both would not save anyone since it was a day vig. Guard and Finder are generally the more powerful town roles anyways, and if THOSE exist as well, then yeah, someone is lying. (I am NOT suggesting anyone else reveal)

At this point, I feel it is in our interest to figure out what lynch brings us the most information.

We have a Barghast non-lynch yesterday, and no NK. GL claims BP was hit, Eloth claims he healed me.

A Barghast lynch today:

If scum, that makes Nimander a top suspect, and also gives us two trains to compare. Also people ignoring a stalled lynch and pushing elsewhere become more suspicious. If innocent, it makes Nimander look a little better and doesn't really tell us much beyond speculating what scum might be on his train (yes, including me).

A Nimander lynch today:
If scum, makes Barghast look suspicious and PI's some people who have pushed for him when there was no other support. If inno, then it means I was wrong on my suspicions and I feel casts Denul in an interesting light considering he went after Nimander right away, rather than Barghast.

A Denul lynch today:

If scum, makes me look foolish and scummy for defending him. Tons of stuff on thread by him though, so there might be something to glean. If he's inno, doesn't really do much for us unless he's the symp.

An Eloth lynch today:

If scum, same as Denul - makes me look bad for defending him. If he's inno, at best he could be a symp, but I think it would point to certain people who pushed for what I feel is a bad lynch for today.

Personally, I am fine with returning to Mafia 101 and finishing a lynch that stalled. If Barghast is scum, and we let him go a second day, the screams from SH will echo for weeks. And he provides some info. I mean, if we really want to get into "OMG WIFOM DISTRACTIONS", then certainly Barghast would qualify as someone to vote for as well. Sure, why isn't Eloth dead? is a valid issue, but also, why wasn't Barghast lynched? Where'd Nimander go? Or was there someone else who was online, but just laid low?

This isn't cool. It's actually pretty messed up thinking. If I'm facing these types of thoughts then it won't ever matter what I do. This really takes the wind of of my sails.

My gut says Nimander, but I'm also wondering about this post. Bargy really seems to be trolling for sympathy here, which is something that town doesn't really need to do.

[Pallid]

vote nimander

I was more on board atrahal but no-one else is interested. Prefer the nimander lynch over bargh, most definitely over eloth

[Ampelas]

Nimander's 'case' on me is a rehashing and comes back to that one sentence. It feels like he really wanted to attack me last night, and then had to come up with why when he returned, yet it wasn't anything new genuinely speculative. The best I can see is if he's tied me with defending Eloth, who he says again and again is scummy.

[Ampelas]

I'm going with my earlier convictions and gut.

Vote Nimander

[Ampelas]

Kaschan, on 29 May 2014 - 09:32 PM, said:

I am leaving

Without voting? Great.....