[Eloth]

Atrahal, on 29 May 2014 - 08:57 AM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 28 May 2014 - 10:52 PM, said:

Atrahal, Nimander, Kaschan, Barghast. That's my current top suspects list.

Actually replying to the post above this one, but can't be done from a phone, too many quoteblocks.

what did you do, a ctrl+f on self-heal? In the context, it is quite clear that what I mean, is that a revealed healer ought to be a dead healer as self-healing (usually only allowed if there's a healer-pair) is the only thing that can stop a kill. And self-healing is not allowed.

Second, healer reveals cannot be proven. That creates wifom and therefore, healer reveals are bad. Unless there's a code, or a partner, to verify.

Third, a revealed healer is safe to remove by scum. So they always SHOULD.

Fourth, we have so far seen a ninja, a BP and a healer. On three gamedays. In a low TMDI game. Coincidence much?

I think Eloth is scum revealing healer, withholding a kill. I think there's enough doubt surrounding them to make that reveal unsafe. GL revealing BP (also unverifiable) might make the no-NK less suspicious, taking heat away from Eloth. I'd say that's no coincidence, but symp/fellow scum saving the day.

Otherwise, too many roles for aan easy game and too much coincidence and a whole lot of bad play and decisions by roled townies.

Healer reveal is unverifiable, but that doesn't make it bad, it successfully prevented my lynch and ekpt D-day back, even if just a little. I fully expected to die last night, and expect to die tonight, so there will not be WIFOM regarding this issue for much longer.

Low TMDI doesn't mean we can't have a variety or roles, I don't see where the coincidence comes into this.

As for GL trying to save my bacon with another unverifiable role? How would that help? If I am fake revealing my time is limited, I have today and maybe tomorrow before town kill me for surviving. This then puts him in the firing line if I were to be revealed as scum. It accomplishes nothing.

I am not saying I believe GLs reveal, or think he is town, just that I disagree with your reasoning in this circumstance.

[Denul]

Atrahal, on 29 May 2014 - 08:57 AM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 28 May 2014 - 10:52 PM, said:

Atrahal, Nimander, Kaschan, Barghast. That's my current top suspects list.

Actually replying to the post above this one, but can't be done from a phone, too many quoteblocks.

what did you do, a ctrl+f on self-heal? In the context, it is quite clear that what I mean, is that a revealed healer ought to be a dead healer as self-healing (usually only allowed if there's a healer-pair) is the only thing that can stop a kill. And self-healing is not allowed.

Second, healer reveals cannot be proven. That creates wifom and therefore, healer reveals are bad. Unless there's a code, or a partner, to verify.

Third, a revealed healer is safe to remove by scum. So they always SHOULD.

Fourth, we have so far seen a ninja, a BP and a healer. On three gamedays. In a low TMDI game. Coincidence much?

I think Eloth is scum revealing healer, withholding a kill. I think there's enough doubt surrounding them to make that reveal unsafe. GL revealing BP (also unverifiable) might make the no-NK less suspicious, taking heat away from Eloth. I'd say that's no coincidence, but symp/fellow scum saving the day.

Otherwise, too many roles for aan easy game and too much coincidence and a whole lot of bad play and decisions by roled townies.

Yes. ^ This very much.


Atrahal, I can see those roles in the game, just not all of them. We do not have a counter reveal which backs one of them up.

I see killers being elsewhere though. I think it is symp play by either Eloth or Galayn, and that the killers are out there. Nimander, Kaschan, Pallid maybe.


If Eloth is a symp, he claims healer, we lynch him if he doesn't die at night and that would PI Amp because Eloth's CF will be a town CF.

The whole thing is a play. It does not help us, if he is the healer he should have coded it in somewhere earlier or just be lynched.


I don't like the whole mess, but I reckon if we do catch scum we can piece together a lot of it.

[Denul]

I have not thought of Amp as a killer, but Eloth could be his symp for sure.

[Pallid]

Denul and Atrahal are pushing too hard here, self healing has been done before, its quite common on other sites. But furthermore -

if Eloth is telling the truth his cf will be town healer, see Lio's CF. So a lynch of Eloth would either clear or condeme amp. However that's not a gamble I'm willing to cast at because quite simply proving it would cost us our only two possible pi's at this juncture.

denuls last two posts scream of a lynch line up to get eloth or amp on the block using false logic to push the idea.




I don't like the way you two are going here, my votes currently on Denul but I'll happily go after atrahal







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This post has been edited by Pallid: 29 May 2014 - 09:33 AM

[Eloth]

Denul, on 29 May 2014 - 09:02 AM, said:

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PS what is the TDMi of this game. I am assuming 2.

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TMDI:2 = As 1, but a small number of simple roles. Eg: 12 players, 2 Killers, Symp, Healer, BP/Vig.

We have 13 players playing this game.

Path-Shaper, on 21 May 2014 - 06:29 PM, said:

13 players are alive: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Fener, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Liosan, Nimander Golit, Pallid, Sukul Ankhadu

I do not see town having a Healer, Vig and a BP. Not in such a small game. I want to know other people's thoughts on this.

The reason behind it is I think one of them is lying.

Eloth, whilst you are here. Can you explain this to me? Here is the vote count before your reveal. We have 90 minutes and votes are hard to come by at this stage.

Denul, on 28 May 2014 - 09:00 AM, said:

90 minutes left in the day.

10 players are alive: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kaschan, Nimander Golit, Pallid, Sukul Ankhadu

6 votes to lynch. 5 votes to go to night.

4 votes Eloth: Galayn Lord, Atrahal, Nimander, Pallid
2 vote Barghast: Denul, Ampelas
1 vote Galayn Lord: Eloth
1 vote Denul: Barghast
Not voted: Kaschan, Sukul Ankhadu

You reveal and then vote me.

Eloth, on 28 May 2014 - 09:09 AM, said:

I will save you all the time waiting for the CF and hope scum are asleep.

Lynching me is a fucking bad idea because I'm the fucking HEALER.

Remove Vote

Vote Denul
GL doesn't seem to be attracting as much attention as I'd like, I think both him and Denul are scum, but as a number of others have already stated they are also uneasy/dislike Denul's play, maybe we can do this in the time left. Doubt it, but even if my reveal buys us a day with no lynch and I am NKed, that staves off WCS for another day.

Edit: Bolded vote

Why not Barghast?

x-post didn't see this for a while sorry

I revealed when I did because all it would have taken is 1 to swap then 1 decide to hammer and I would be dead before I had a chance to throw myself in front of the bus and delay d-day.

I voted you and not barghast because I think you are more likely to be scum. I swapped my vote later when it was evident the lynch wouldnt swing to you, but why settle for less right away?

[Denul]

Pallid, on 29 May 2014 - 09:30 AM, said:

Denul and Atrahal are pushing too hard here, self healing has been done before, its quite common on other sites. But furthermore -

if Eloth is telling the truth his cf will be town healer, see Lio's CF. So a lynch of Eloth would either clear or condeme amp. However that's not a gamble I'm willing to cast at because quite simply proving it would cost us our only two possible pi's at this juncture.

denuls last two posts scream of a lynch line up to get eloth or amp on the block using false logic to push the idea.


I don't like the way you two are going here, my votes currently on Denul but I'll happily go after atrahal

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I am not just going to go with the flow and see what happens. I could quite easily vote a few different ways today for various reasons. I have already stated my unwillingness to vote Eloth today because of the reveal and no deaths.

I would much rather go for Barghast because of his failed lynch, Nimander because of Barghast's failed lynch and lack of votes, Kaschan because he hasn't voted all game. I think we will find scum in one of those three, truly.

Yet, stating on thread my uneasiness over both Eloth and Galayn's reveals needed to be done.

[Pallid]

and nary a.mention of atrahal from you. Interesting

[Pallid]

actually

remove vote

vote atrahal

will he floating about checking in sporadically for the rest of the rl day

[Denul]

Pallid, on 29 May 2014 - 10:24 AM, said:

and nary a.mention of atrahal from you. Interesting

Pallid, here is a list of players;

Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kaschan, Nimander Golit, Pallid

Can you give me your perspective on them from;

1. A scum PoV
2. A town PoV
3. Head versus Gut

I will do exactly the same thing and see what we come up with?

[Denul]

Btw, straight up, how you feel about the game as a whole right now.

[Denul]

Just for relevance to your vote there and what you just did and said. I voted Atrahal for a long period of day 2.

You just voted Atrahal because he wasn't mentioned by me but look, you did the same thing.

Galayn Lord mentions 4 people;

Galayn Lord, on 28 May 2014 - 10:52 PM, said:

Atrahal, Nimander, Kaschan, Barghast. That's my current top suspects list.

Ampelas mentions two.

Ampelas, on 28 May 2014 - 11:26 PM, said:

My thoughts are that the strongest lynch candidates are Nimander or Barghast, due to the end of yesterday. Trains and CFs on either of those two would provide beneficial information and connection possibilities.

Pallid, on 29 May 2014 - 06:07 AM, said:

one of the more spectacular drive bus we've seen. Quick morning catch up in the van.
I could get on board the atrahal/kaschan/nimander train outside of my dislike for denul. Of the three probably atrahal

You leave out Barghast.

So should I be voting Barghast because of this?

[Pallid]

i have a clear reason for not mentioning barghast, the trio I mentioned fit my profile of not around circa healer reveal, sukul being the other and is dead, but please continue, that's very interesting and not cherry picking my posts at all.

[Denul]

Pallid, on 29 May 2014 - 11:15 AM, said:

i have a clear reason for not mentioning barghast, the trio I mentioned fit my profile of not around circa healer reveal, sukul being the other and is dead, but please continue, that's very interesting and not cherry picking my posts at all.

The thing is Pallid, I am not pointing a finger your way. After a review I have 3 people I would not mind seeing lynched today.

Nimander, Barghast and Kaschan for the reasons stated above.


You are focusing on the night kill, whereas I am focusing on the lynch.

Not saying you are wrong, you could be onto something, but if your fingering a person because of me then you are on the wrong track.

If I was not involved in your reason for voting someone then I'd be more amenable to it.

[Eloth]

Denul, on 29 May 2014 - 11:23 AM, said:

Pallid, on 29 May 2014 - 11:15 AM, said:

i have a clear reason for not mentioning barghast, the trio I mentioned fit my profile of not around circa healer reveal, sukul being the other and is dead, but please continue, that's very interesting and not cherry picking my posts at all.

The thing is Pallid, I am not pointing a finger your way. After a review I have 3 people I would not mind seeing lynched today.

Nimander, Barghast and Kaschan for the reasons stated above.


You are focusing on the night kill, whereas I am focusing on the lynch.

Not saying you are wrong, you could be onto something, but if your fingering a person because of me then you are on the wrong track.

If I was not involved in your reason for voting someone then I'd be more amenable to it.

He did not vote for Atrahal just because you did not mention him. I can't say for certain his reasons, but at a guess it's because of the way Atrahal is going after me coupled with his actions on previous days..

[Denul]

The problem I have with Pallid's target is that it is mainly based on the night action. He is basically saying that both scum missed the end of day, and missed Eloth's reveal.

Does anyone here think that is a possibility? It hangs on Wifom, and means that Pallid has sided with Eloth completely.

What I am advocating is that the missed lynch is what we should focus on.

My quick notes on Atrahal,

"Atrahal, early play smacked of scummy due to Barghast's response after he received a vote and only 2 posts, disappeared for a while, missed end of day 2, dis-interested, unless he felt threatened. His name cropped up today and he has appeared again. I guess he would be more involved if he was scum, unless his partners doing the work for him or has not received enough pressure"

I can see Atrahal as possible scum but not the main player. He has been quiet and not given us many leads. When he is around he does give a good town impression, but his action have not been very town like.

I am going to add my vote to Pallid's for a different reason. Nimander promises us a return with some thoughts and I have not forgotten about him.

For now,

remove Vote

Vote Atrahal

[Atrahal]

What, when I am around I give a town vibe but my "actions" (whatever that means, I am RI) aren't?

Also, nice photocopying of my post re Healer-reveal.

A lynch will suit me well, in RL. Proceed by all means.

[Atrahal]

Pallid, on 29 May 2014 - 10:24 AM, said:

and nary a.mention of atrahal from you. Interesting

Doesn't stop him from voting me :-)
His avatar ought to be replaced with a weathervane.

[Atrahal]

Another question. If I or Kaschan or whomever else doubts the reveal enough to push for Eloth's lynch, how does that make us scum? It is so much easier for a killer to just NK the guy while acknowledging the reveal with maybe a smatter of doubt at how it could be a scum play to escape a lynch...

At the least, that's what I'd do.

[Eloth]

Atrahal, on 29 May 2014 - 12:32 PM, said:

Pallid, on 29 May 2014 - 10:24 AM, said:

and nary a.mention of atrahal from you. Interesting

Doesn't stop him from voting me :-)
His avatar ought to be replaced with a weathervane.

hah, new series of avatars,

Minutia of Wu

Mock's Weather Vane
Shaved knuckle
Hust sword
Otataral Knife
Collapsed Sky Keep Pod
Shadowthrones Cane
Jug of Saemankelyk
Torcs of Treach
Jade Strangers
Artifact of Icarium's Machine
Bridgeburner insignia
Talon talisman

[Kaschan]

Galayn Lord, on 28 May 2014 - 09:50 PM, said:

Pallid, on 28 May 2014 - 10:39 AM, said:

who'd you heal last night eloth?

It's iffy to be sure, but perhaps Denul raises an interesting point here. Pallid does ask this less than one minute after PS reveals there was no kill. Thinking about it as Pallid as killer, then Pallid would be asking if Eloth healed ME, and that's why I didn't die. If Eloth said anyone else, then, (for scum) there's the possibility of thinking that either 1) Eloth is a healer but something else prevented their kill of me; or 2) Something else prevented their kill of me, and Eloth might be a symp pretending to be a healer.


It also relates to why I may have been chosen for the kill. Ok, yes, this is pure speculation, but I would hazard I was chosen because scum thought I would be the least likely person to be healed by Eloth, as he hates my guts. If we believe that, then it adds strength to Eloth's claim (or at least strengthens the case for him not being a killer).

I would guess that it would be more likely if you were targeted for a kill last night (you claim conveniently clearing yourself) that it was more likely because your RPing pissed off half of the board. Personally I am finding it very convenient that the day after we have a healer reveal someone else comes forward with a BP reveal (saying that it was taken away no less). Not exactly smart town play. Why announce on thread that you had lost something that protected you. Unless you were attempting to clear your self. You aren't under any pressure (not significant at any rate) so why do you feel the need to attempt to RI yourself. The only reason that I can think of is that your bumbling town (most likely) or that your scum trying to CI yourself or (if Eloth is telling the truth) draw the heal to yourself tonight so that you can kill with out worry.