[Denul]

So is that where you are going to vote?

[Denul]

I am fucking concious of my posting now. (because you made some good points)

But still, look at it when I stop.

[Denul]

Almost 45 minutes without a post and night is growing near.

[Atrahal]

Denul, on 27 May 2014 - 03:50 PM, said:

So is that where you are going to vote?

Unfortunately, I dont have the time to check up on NG. I think Ampelas makes a good point regarding them, as NG seems to be stoking up the fire a little, teensy tiny bit each time without committing or going in all guns blazing. In those few quotes, I actually think NG makes sense in those quotes, and that makes it hard to vote him for it - even if it might be a tad insidious and tapping a nail in without being seen doing so.

I won't vote Barghast for re-considering posting his thoughts.
He may do or may not do so, and who's to say those were the original thoughts? Time has gone by, as have posts. It's going to be interesting to see if he does this once or twice more, then there's a pattern and thus (imho) a case.

I'm happy with having it on Eloth, would be happier still with Pallid but there's no case on him. Insofar as following GL on a hunch is actually a case.

[Eloth]

Going to be in and out for a while (Watch_Dogs yay!) but for the moment I am quite happy to

Vote Galayn Lord

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 16 hours 59 minutes remaining.

10 players are alive: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kaschan, Nimander Golit, Pallid, Sukul Ankhadu

6 votes to lynch. 5 votes to go to night.

2 votes Eloth: Galayn Lord, Atrahal
1 vote Barghast: Denul
1 vote Nimander Golit: Ampelas
1 vote Galayn Lord: Eloth

Not voted: Barghast, Kaschan, Nimander Golit, Pallid, Sukul Ankhadu

[Galayn Lord]

Oh thank God, Eloth, I thought nobody would vote for me and break the spell!









Nah, only joking, and you're still a scummy douche afraid for their lynchable neck I've come out of my reverie (or HAHAHA WHEEE as one wit put it - you guys do make me laugh in a good way) because I don't want anyone following my vote because they think I have some sort of OMGPOWERRRZZZ. Only suspicions, I'm afraid.

Now I have work to do, but I'll be back later with a few more thoughts. Eloth does genuinely strike me as a good option - for their reaction for the one vote from the 'crazy guy' as much as anything which came before - they've been talking/complaining about practically nothing since. But Eloth's not the only choice I'd be happy with - I'll have another read-up before posting some thoughts, back in 2-3 hours.

[Pallid]

out of todays mooted options I see Eloth as the leading candidate.
based on yesterdays nicey noncommital nicey and today he feels a bit fnah

[Nimander Golit]

Denul, on 27 May 2014 - 01:48 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 27 May 2014 - 01:47 PM, said:

Denul, on 23 May 2014 - 04:01 PM, said:

Denul, on 23 May 2014 - 03:56 PM, said:

I am going away now, looks like I won't be influential towards lynch. I will be around to change vote, and after all the discussion I see GL or Atrahal going down today, someone else would be a shock.

I say that, but personally I don't think GL will turn out to be scum. I've said as much upthread.

Denul, on 23 May 2014 - 04:01 PM, said:

Denul, on 23 May 2014 - 04:01 PM, said:

Denul, on 23 May 2014 - 03:56 PM, said:

I am going away now, looks like I won't be influential towards lynch. I will be around to change vote, and after all the discussion I see GL or Atrahal going down today, someone else would be a shock.

I say that, but personally I don't think GL will turn out to be scum. I've said as much upthread.

It is mafia and I have been fooled before.

These were posted at almost the same exact time. Do you feel the need to pad your post count so much so that you double reply to the same set of quotes?

Ha ha, end of day Friday. I thought it was going to be last time I posted before the weekend freeze and before lynch. I didn't know we'd get extra time.

That's just the type of thing that makes me want to lynch you. There were 29 hours left in the day and only about 6 until freeze. How could you possibly have remained ignorant of that given how closely you have poured over the thread? I'm trying to keep the blinders off but you really are pinging.

[Nimander Golit]

Ampelas, on 27 May 2014 - 02:58 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 21 May 2014 - 09:39 PM, said:

Eloth, on 21 May 2014 - 09:24 PM, said:

Pallid, on 21 May 2014 - 09:14 PM, said:

jumping straight on to bandwagoning lio?



what the fuck?

Agreed wholeheartedly bandwagoning is chickenshit, and now for something completely different;

Vote Pallid

Deflecting from Fener this early is damn suspicious if you ask me.

Fener joke.

Nimander Golit, on 23 May 2014 - 04:39 PM, said:

Denul, on 23 May 2014 - 02:20 PM, said:

Look at it this way.

As an ri we don't know who is scum, so Lio, Fener and HP were all innocent and they were just as clueless as the rest of us. Until we get that scum CF we cannot know why people are doing what they are doing. If for example, Atrahal turns up scum then I'll be wanting to lynch Barghast. However, if he CF's innocent I will want to vote Sukul or Nimander because their presence fits my case against Barghast being symp.

You're being rather quick to VPI yourself there are you not dearie? Life has been keeping me busy this week but I should have time now that the weekend is upon us. In the meantime I am just dying to hear how my four posts of 'presence' fit any case against anyone.

I have completed a quick read through and my one clear early thought is that Denul is playing the very good RI. He's pointed fingers at just about everyone while commenting about his search for reactions. In later days he'll be able to use that prodding to defend himself quite nicely against anything anyone should try to lay at his door. Mostly what tingles is the thorough post by post commentary without actually quoting the posts. It reminds me of all those forwarded emails that I get concerning the outrageous thing this pol said and why I should be quivering with desire to out them because of it. Those emails tend to include a link to a legitimate news site that quotes the said outrageous comment but when I follow the link it turns out that the pol didn't say quite what it is said they say. Of course the author of the screed knows that most people won't follow that link and read for themselves nor will the sheeple who duly forward it to more sheeple. I won't be putting a vote on you Denul but IGMYEOY.

I don't like Denul and give reason why.

Nimander Golit, on 27 May 2014 - 08:25 AM, said:

Eloth, on 27 May 2014 - 07:40 AM, said:

snip>

I find it hard to believe this is mandated behaviour, their posting stle has changed repeatedly over the course of the thread. From English toff to simpleton to computer to rhyming couplets. Any instruction to conform to certain posting patterns would, I feel, be more specific than "Be obtuse and not let users understand what the message you are trying to communicate easily"

It passed the point of being scummy whenever he buried a vote in a massive block of computer text that added nothing else but padding to try and hide it.

<snip>

You're just saying that because it's your name buried in there. If it was somebody else you'd be praising him for his originality.

Was that not an exciting time in frozen mafialand? I could barely find the time to read it all. All you filthy low posters need to step it up. (I'm a freshly showered low poster so suck it.)

With 22 hours remaining I'm still not seeing a palatable candidate. Denul annoys me because he's tied himself to just about everyone and, as Pallid said, seems to be lining up several days worth of lynches. GL needs to stop being cutesy. Atrahal weirds me for coming up with such a lame ass, twisted excuse for GL.

I still don't like Denul. Added GL and Atrahal to that list.

Nimander Golit, on 27 May 2014 - 08:39 AM, said:

Atrahal, on 27 May 2014 - 08:29 AM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 27 May 2014 - 08:25 AM, said:

Eloth, on 27 May 2014 - 07:40 AM, said:

snip>

I find it hard to believe this is mandated behaviour, their posting stle has changed repeatedly over the course of the thread. From English toff to simpleton to computer to rhyming couplets. Any instruction to conform to certain posting patterns would, I feel, be more specific than "Be obtuse and not let users understand what the message you are trying to communicate easily"

It passed the point of being scummy whenever he buried a vote in a massive block of computer text that added nothing else but padding to try and hide it.

<snip>

You're just saying that because it's your name buried in there. If it was somebody else you'd be praising him for his originality.

Was that not an exciting time in frozen mafialand? I could barely find the time to read it all. All you filthy low posters need to step it up. (I'm a freshly showered low poster so suck it.)

With 22 hours remaining I'm still not seeing a palatable candidate. Denul annoys me because he's tied himself to just about everyone and, as Pallid said, seems to be lining up several days worth of lynches. GL needs to stop being cutesy. Atrahal weirds me for coming up with such a lame ass, twisted excuse for GL.

If GL snaps out of it, then I am proven wrong.
If he doesn't, I am not proven right or anything.
Blend did say he threw in one unusual role in sign-ups, but that was for the SHIELD game, and there's no knowing if he re-writ the theme or the whole game.

Are you trying to slip in theme-related speculation? "Oh, I wonder what special role from SHIELD could be the unusual mechanism?" That alone pushes you right over to the lynchable category in my mind.

Like Atrahal even less since he seems to be forcing theme-mechanism WIFOM needlessly.


I'm getting punched in the balls workwise, so I don't know when I'm going to be back on thread. Therefore, I'll just get this out here, earlier than I intended since I wanted to see more posts. Ah well.

I feel that we've got 3 sources of confusion on thread. Denul, who is all over the place. Eloth, who has unfortunately used the Mafia WIFOM manual to make cases in guise of town. And GL who has decided "HAHAHA WHEEEEE!"

However, the focus now for the rest of us should NOT be on them, or getting them to talk. What they've been spouting is OUT there, for all to see, they are on record, and frankly I'm tired of hearing Denul talk, Eloth be sickly sweet and am sincerely hoping that GL remembers to take his meds before he logs on again. Their spouting is no longer necessary, as they've already spouted more than a 14 year old with an internet connection.

I'm more interested in those who have come on quietly, whose posts have focused primarily on these distractions and/or avoided original thought, and then tip-toed out again. These people are using the distractors as a security blanket, allowing the focus to be elsewhere but at the same time giving them innocuous material upon which to comment. That is where we will find scum, and Nimander gets the tip of my hat for fitting that profile. Low-lying, but maintaining a presence and even did some spamming day 1.

Vote Nimander Golit

changed "as" to "in guise of" because of a screwed up cut-paste attempt

My comments for each quoted post are in there in red.

You don't like how I'm playing. Fair enough.

All I currently see are the distractions. There's not much beyond that yet. Thanks to the vig, I'm seeing this as day one in a 10 player game. Speculation on why HP and Fener were killed is pure WIFOM and Lio's lynch train is contaminated.

[Ampelas]

Nimander Golit, on 27 May 2014 - 08:28 PM, said:

You don't like how I'm playing. Fair enough.

All I currently see are the distractions. There's not much beyond that yet. Thanks to the vig, I'm seeing this as day one in a 10 player game. Speculation on why HP and Fener were killed is pure WIFOM and Lio's lynch train is contaminated.

I don't like how you're allowing the distractions to allow you to skate by without any real contribution. Don't whine about the part in red, do something about it. And restating the obvious (the part in purple) is not contribution.

10 posts or so since I last posted? Have we given up all ready? Say what you want about Denul, at least he's playing.

[Barghast]

Atrahal, on 27 May 2014 - 02:24 PM, said:

Denul, on 27 May 2014 - 02:18 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 27 May 2014 - 02:10 PM, said:

We still have a bit of time before the day ends I am inclined to vote for Eloth but I am going to hold off until more people get on and post today. I am going to go back over and take a look at Eloths posts and try to see who he could be symping.

I didn't check how long we have left today but you are right. We also need others to come on and give us their thoughts.

remove vote

Vote Barghast

I want to hear more from him. His posts on Friday promised his thoughts and then he decided it would be best for him to wait until 72 hours or so has passed before letting us have them.

Point in fucking case.

See? Someone doesn't jump for whatever the reason may be (limited windows, busy weekend, bank holiday) and you vote them.
Why? Because it is scummy (which it isn't, unless he has come on several times with lots of time on his hands but keeping the cards to his chest), or because you don't like it?

I ended up going out of town unexpectedly. I got back in a while ago. All I see is Denul with his head up his ass.

Denul, on 23 May 2014 - 11:53 AM, said:

I have not read through the dead players posts but I have read through every alive player.

Atrahal received one vote. 30 minutes later, Barghast (who had been silent for most of the day) comes on and builds a case surrounding Pallid, Fener and Liosan. He also defends Atrahal and Sukul by steering us clear from voting off the low posters.

Since then Barghast has been quiet again.

The crux of it is, I have one of Atrahal or Sukul as scum, and Barghast as a symp.

The third scum being a choice of 4.

I will post all my reads after I get my wife an Anniversary present. Back in an hour

Denul, you don't come across as if you really think long on the accusations you've cast in far too many directions in such a short time. I was content with letting you continue spinning your wheels, but when you force me to smell the shit you're shovelling.....I don't like it.

You've cast suspicions on half the player list, yet you don't put extensive thought into these whimsical digs. You never focus for long on anyone, nor do you strive for more meaningful cases. You're quite content with an ongoing, revolving door of loose thoughts, wildly flinging suspicions based in trivial fact, and not caring which, if any, garner other backing as long as something sticks.....right. That's not what we need. You spray your bullets all around, thinking you MUST be hitting scum eventually, but glossing over the fact that you're spending most of your time stringing up townsfolk. This worries me.

Is this why you rush from player to player? You don't commit. The closest you've come to moving past this time wasting routine of yours to sticking to your guns on ONE player was with Eloth - whom you've since performed a neck-jarring 'about face' 180 because you felt his further attention and it spooked you. You care more for the actual pursuit than the results. I see a charade lacking any goal.

Do me a favor and really focus. You have now accused me of being a symp. My masters, you claim, must be Atrahal and/or Sukul. Your brilliant mind came to this stunning conclusion because I 'chose' to make my feelings known - that the low posters on Day 1 felt like a bad decision. A sentiment you even agree with. So, being the devious symp you say I am, I go out of my way to comment on a post In which Atrahal receives a SINGLE vote. BRILLIANT! Because your superior deductive skills know that any symp worth his salt will come hard-charging to defend a solitary vote. Better yet, this symp-above-symps follows closely with yet ANOTHER post, pretty much saying the exact same thing about yet another player, errr 'master', who'd also received the single vote of death. This was all done catch-up style, mind you.

I'm sorry, but I find it hard to take you serious from this point forth. You're spamming accusations, jumping from player to player, searching for the path of least resistance, backing off when you feel you've gathered too much attention.

The most troubling aspect of it all is wondering if you're just blissfully ignorant as to how you're coming across, or if this is some sick charade that has now irritated the shit out of me.

vote Denul

[Barghast]

Denul, I was looking at you before the break, which is why I decided to wait when you asked me what I was thinking. I come back to see you continue to jump all over the place only cements my views. I'll be around to switch if I have to, but I see Denul as the most suspicious. I have to finish unpacking.

[Nimander Golit]

Path-Shaper, on 27 May 2014 - 05:33 PM, said:

It is Day 2. 16 hours 59 minutes remaining.

10 players are alive: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kaschan, Nimander Golit, Pallid, Sukul Ankhadu

6 votes to lynch. 5 votes to go to night.

2 votes Eloth: Galayn Lord, Atrahal
1 vote Barghast: Denul
1 vote Nimander Golit: Ampelas
1 vote Galayn Lord: Eloth

Not voted: Barghast, Kaschan, Nimander Golit, Pallid, Sukul Ankhadu

Ampelas, on 27 May 2014 - 10:04 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 27 May 2014 - 08:28 PM, said:

You don't like how I'm playing. Fair enough.

All I currently see are the distractions. There's not much beyond that yet. Thanks to the vig, I'm seeing this as day one in a 10 player game. Speculation on why HP and Fener were killed is pure WIFOM and Lio's lynch train is contaminated.

I don't like how you're allowing the distractions to allow you to skate by without any real contribution. Don't whine about the part in red, do something about it. And restating the obvious (the part in purple) is not contribution.

10 posts or so since I last posted? Have we given up all ready? Say what you want about Denul, at least he's playing.

Nimander Golit, on 27 May 2014 - 08:28 PM, said:

All I currently see are the distractions. There's not much beyond that yet. Thanks to the vig, I'm seeing this as day one in a 10 player game. Speculation on why HP and Fener were killed is pure WIFOM and Lio's lynch train is contaminated.

I throw out a stunningly oblivious and stupid comment and nobody remarks upon it? Other than Ampelas' equally idiotic "restating the obvious".

Hey Fucktards!

If Fener wasn't a symp and we screw up today's lynch, then tomorrow is d-day. And how many day one vigs actually get a scum?

[Galayn Lord]

Ack, sorry, got snagged by various things.

Ok, so what I'm seeing so far is a lot of finger-wagging and nodding over at various people, some of which may have substance, most of which is probably nothing, and some effort to coalesce all the ANGER around one individual - so all in all typical early game...except that we're already down possibly up to three townies.

Since we have little concrete to go on, I thought I'd bring back up the lynch train that was all but assured on day 1 were it not for that little suicide vig snag:

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5 votes Liosan: Pallid, Denul, Barghast, Fener, Eloth

As I said, this was a pretty much dead cert lynch before the suiciding. Thus I am willing to bet everything that the corpse of Liosan owned that at least one of the ones here is scum. Luckily for us, we can already cross Fener off that list thanks to Liosan's, erm, heroics. That leaves us with Pallid, Denul, Barghast, and Eloth.

Of these, Pallid himself seemed to have been suspected by Liosan. Their name has been brought up a couple of times today, but with little enthusiasm. Train starter, not the most typical place for day 1 lynch scum, but not unheard of.

Denul has probably received the most attention today, thanks to himself more than anything. If scum, more likely to be a symp perhaps? And if symp, is there someone they haven't mentioned/haven't focused on as much?

Barghast - one of Denul's more concerted targets. Promised more suspicions later in the day...delivered Denul, which was not exactly unusual in today's crowd. At least we're seeing some sides being drawn.

Eloth - my best buddy! Well, there they are, with what, 7 votes needed for a lynch? They are fifth on the train, nicely slap bang in the middle may I get on that wagon thankee very much ma'am I would love to ride along. You know my choice!

One of these four needs a good lynching, and if I was to put them in order of scum preference, based on their votes yesterday, their posts throughout, and the analysis of their posts done by others thus far, I would say: Eloth, Denul, Pallid, Barghast.

I'd go through and look at each of these four peeps' posts in turn myself, but instead I'm going to sleep. In any event, the thread has already done a sterling job of covering these four to some degree (barring perhaps Pallid), that there's already plenty of material there for others to look through.

I am willing to switch from Eloth to one of the other three should they prove more popular, but I would prefer to stick with Eloth.

[Galayn Lord]

I'll hopefully manage to return with a couple of hours in the day to go.

[Nimander Golit]

Galayn Lord, on 28 May 2014 - 01:10 AM, said:

Ack, sorry, got snagged by various things.

Ok, so what I'm seeing so far is a lot of finger-wagging and nodding over at various people, some of which may have substance, most of which is probably nothing, and some effort to coalesce all the ANGER around one individual - so all in all typical early game...except that we're already down possibly up to three townies.

Since we have little concrete to go on, I thought I'd bring back up the lynch train that was all but assured on day 1 were it not for that little suicide vig snag:

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5 votes Liosan: Pallid, Denul, Barghast, Fener, Eloth

As I said, this was a pretty much dead cert lynch before the suiciding. Thus I am willing to bet everything that the corpse of Liosan owned that at least one of the ones here is scum. Luckily for us, we can already cross Fener off that list thanks to Liosan's, erm, heroics. That leaves us with Pallid, Denul, Barghast, and Eloth.

<snip>

I've been looking at that myself but from the other end. Where did the votes go after he posted the suicide trigger?

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13 players are alive: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Fener, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Liosan, Nimander Golit, Pallid, Sukul Ankhadu

7 votes to lynch. 7 votes to go to night.

5 votes Liosan: Pallid, Denul, Barghast, Fener, Eloth
1 vote Galayn Lord: Hood's Path
1 vote Eloth: Ampelas
1 vote Atrahal: Liosan
1 vote Fener: Galayn Lord

Not voted: Atrahal, Kaschan, Nimander Golit, Sukul Ankhadu

Lio's trigger, post 194

Amp: That sounds like an on thread ability trigger....

Hood's Path: Back and reading up. A quick skim of the most recent posts makes me think there might have been a vig of some kind?

Fener: Yeah that certainly doesnt bode well. However Im not real sure why you are focusing on me. I didnt start this train. And I gave you ample time to come back to the game and give some nice drawn out conclusions.

Hood's Path: OK, I've read up. I'm assuming that's a vig from Liosan - Lio, since we're short on time, can you confirm that that's what you're expecting to happen? It sounded like PS is not going to be back before deadline, so we're unlikely to get a resolution before then.

Hood's Path: Now, the question becomes - does this clear Liosan? Personally I find unlikely that there would be a scum vig in the game (that just seems like it would be OP in the end game), so on that basis I don't think it makes sense to complete the Liosan lynch. I guess I need to go away and have a think about who would be a viable alternative.

Ampelas replying to HP's last post: Yeah, I don't think lynching Liosan is a good idea. Even if it's a bluff, it's day one and only buys him a night, which would be dumb.

Kaschan quotes Lio's trigger post: That looks remarkably like a suicide vig. I hesitate to lynch someone until PS gets on to clarify. Which will most like be after time out.

HP posts several quotes from Eloth and then:There's enough for me to see this as a good alternative. Remove Vote. Vote Eloth

HP: Welp, that's me done - won't be back before timeout. Seems like everyone else has left already though...

Barghast quotes Lio a couple of times, comments some, and removes vote.

Galayn Lord does his stupid command line stuff, removes vote, and votes Eloth.

PS resolves the vig.


11 posts between the vig trigger and resolution. Ampelas, Hood's Path, Fener, Kaschan, Barghast, and GL. Scratch Fener and HP.

Now it comes down to what you think is the right play. I'd have continued with the LIo lynch simply because there wasn't enough time to go elsewhere. If it was vig, he dies. If it wasn't a vig, why let him live to simply be lynched the next day? HP, Amp, Kaschan, and Barghast all disagree with me and think that lynching Lio is a bad idea. HP removes and votes Eloth. Barghast simply removes. GL is last with a remove and vote Eloth with no explanation. Kaschan has no vote down and Ampelas has his firmly on Eloth.


I'm willing to bet that one of Ampelas, Kaschan, Barghast, and GL are scum. Ampelas simply thinks that lynching Liosan is a bad idea and then disappears. Not a single word of encouragement to swing and follow his own vote for Eloth. Barghast explains why he removes. Kaschan doesn't say anything beyond he's hesitant to lynch anyone until the Liosan thing plays out. GL's remove and vote comes plenty late enough that he had to know he was wasting his time.

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At timeout...


11 players are alive: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Nimander Golit, Pallid, Sukul Ankhadu

7 votes to lynch. 7 votes to go to night.

3 votes Eloth: Ampelas, Hood's Path, Galayn Lord

Not voted: Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Kaschan, Nimander Golit, Pallid, Sukul Ankhadu

Amp's lack of enthusiasm for is own choice bothers me but GL bothers me more. His stupid posts, jumping at the PS coercion, and then the "nah, I'm just fucking with you". But I have enough doubt about that that I'm more willing to go with the safer choice; the person who reset the modkill timer during the freeze:


Vote Sukul Ankhadu

[Barghast]

Galayn Lord, on 28 May 2014 - 01:10 AM, said:

Barghast - one of Denul's more concerted targets. Promised more suspicions later in the day...delivered Denul, which was not exactly unusual in today's crowd. At least we're seeing
Ack, sorry, got snagged by various things.

Before the break, I was also waiting to see if we'd hear from Atrahal, Sukul, Nimander, and Kaschan. At the time, only a few of us had said anything.

Atrahal may or may not be innocent, but I felt the suspicion of him based solely on his low posting wasn't enough for Day 1. Had he not posted his thoughts, I'd look further. As of now, he's posted enough to separate himself from the other low posters.

Sukul, Nimander, and Kaschan are the most unknown.

I'm still debating on Galayn. His initial antics could have been scum hiding, or other reasons.

I sort of backed off Pallid because I had him lumped in with Liosan and Fener - both town(town cf at least).

I'm sticking with Denul while I look over things again.

[Barghast]

Nimander Golit, on 28 May 2014 - 02:17 AM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 28 May 2014 - 01:10 AM, said:

Ack, sorry, got snagged by various things.

Ok, so what I'm seeing so far is a lot of finger-wagging and nodding over at various people, some of which may have substance, most of which is probably nothing, and some effort to coalesce all the ANGER around one individual - so all in all typical early game...except that we're already down possibly up to three townies.

Since we have little concrete to go on, I thought I'd bring back up the lynch train that was all but assured on day 1 were it not for that little suicide vig snag:

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5 votes Liosan: Pallid, Denul, Barghast, Fener, Eloth

As I said, this was a pretty much dead cert lynch before the suiciding. Thus I am willing to bet everything that the corpse of Liosan owned that at least one of the ones here is scum. Luckily for us, we can already cross Fener off that list thanks to Liosan's, erm, heroics. That leaves us with Pallid, Denul, Barghast, and Eloth.

<snip>

I've been looking at that myself but from the other end. Where did the votes go after he posted the suicide trigger?

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13 players are alive: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Fener, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Liosan, Nimander Golit, Pallid, Sukul Ankhadu

7 votes to lynch. 7 votes to go to night.

5 votes Liosan: Pallid, Denul, Barghast, Fener, Eloth
1 vote Galayn Lord: Hood's Path
1 vote Eloth: Ampelas
1 vote Atrahal: Liosan
1 vote Fener: Galayn Lord

Not voted: Atrahal, Kaschan, Nimander Golit, Sukul Ankhadu

Lio's trigger, post 194

Amp: That sounds like an on thread ability trigger....

Hood's Path: Back and reading up. A quick skim of the most recent posts makes me think there might have been a vig of some kind?

Fener: Yeah that certainly doesnt bode well. However Im not real sure why you are focusing on me. I didnt start this train. And I gave you ample time to come back to the game and give some nice drawn out conclusions.

Hood's Path: OK, I've read up. I'm assuming that's a vig from Liosan - Lio, since we're short on time, can you confirm that that's what you're expecting to happen? It sounded like PS is not going to be back before deadline, so we're unlikely to get a resolution before then.

Hood's Path: Now, the question becomes - does this clear Liosan? Personally I find unlikely that there would be a scum vig in the game (that just seems like it would be OP in the end game), so on that basis I don't think it makes sense to complete the Liosan lynch. I guess I need to go away and have a think about who would be a viable alternative.

Ampelas replying to HP's last post: Yeah, I don't think lynching Liosan is a good idea. Even if it's a bluff, it's day one and only buys him a night, which would be dumb.

Kaschan quotes Lio's trigger post: That looks remarkably like a suicide vig. I hesitate to lynch someone until PS gets on to clarify. Which will most like be after time out.

HP posts several quotes from Eloth and then:There's enough for me to see this as a good alternative. Remove Vote. Vote Eloth

HP: Welp, that's me done - won't be back before timeout. Seems like everyone else has left already though...

Barghast quotes Lio a couple of times, comments some, and removes vote.

Galayn Lord does his stupid command line stuff, removes vote, and votes Eloth.

PS resolves the vig.


11 posts between the vig trigger and resolution. Ampelas, Hood's Path, Fener, Kaschan, Barghast, and GL. Scratch Fener and HP.

Now it comes down to what you think is the right play. I'd have continued with the LIo lynch simply because there wasn't enough time to go elsewhere. If it was vig, he dies. If it wasn't a vig, why let him live to simply be lynched the next day? HP, Amp, Kaschan, and Barghast all disagree with me and think that lynching Lio is a bad idea. HP removes and votes Eloth. Barghast simply removes. GL is last with a remove and vote Eloth with no explanation. Kaschan has no vote down and Ampelas has his firmly on Eloth.


I'm willing to bet that one of Ampelas, Kaschan, Barghast, and GL are scum. Ampelas simply thinks that lynching Liosan is a bad idea and then disappears. Not a single word of encouragement to swing and follow his own vote for Eloth. Barghast explains why he removes. Kaschan doesn't say anything beyond he's hesitant to lynch anyone until the Liosan thing plays out. GL's remove and vote comes plenty late enough that he had to know he was wasting his time.

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At timeout...


11 players are alive: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Nimander Golit, Pallid, Sukul Ankhadu

7 votes to lynch. 7 votes to go to night.

3 votes Eloth: Ampelas, Hood's Path, Galayn Lord

Not voted: Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Kaschan, Nimander Golit, Pallid, Sukul Ankhadu

Amp's lack of enthusiasm for is own choice bothers me but GL bothers me more. His stupid posts, jumping at the PS coercion, and then the "nah, I'm just fucking with you". But I have enough doubt about that that I'm more willing to go with the safer choice; the person who reset the modkill timer during the freeze:


Vote Sukul Ankhadu

You say that you think one of Ampelas, me, Kaschan, or Galayn is scum, then vote for Sukul as your 'safest choice.'

Your entire view on the Liosan fiasco concerns me. You call those of us out that removed from Liosan, yet we, or at least I, was around to have been able to vote for Liosan if needed. It doesn't matter that I removed. I was around to vote again had anyone else stepped up, but we didn't ever have enough votes even with the removes. I removed to give Liosan time in case he was trying to tell us something, and it turns out he was doing exactly that. You weren't even around to help us, so don't sit back and cast doubts at the only few people that were actually trying.

[Barghast]

I'm extremely tired from travel and in a horrible mood to boot. A few hours sleep is in my immediate future. This will time it for me to be back before day ends to look at things again with a rested mind.