[Path-Shaper]

Ryllandaras, on 15 May 2014 - 09:27 PM, said:

Haha, I forgot about the 'no night action if vig is successful' stipulation. Thanks Korbas That actually helps me make my mind up though - I was strongly considering doing no kill tonight, and now that seems like that's only way to go.

Please relinquish Pyro now (or as soon as you see this). Disregard my earlier provisional on what to try and pick up, haven't decided yet.

I'm going to try and pick up a 'townie' contract, a guard or a find. Then try and set someone up tomorrow (if I make it to then, obvs).

Ryllandaras, on 15 May 2014 - 09:33 PM, said:

I would like to request Gravity Amplification, Hallucination, Information Absorption, in that order, to fill my Pyro space.

Can I make two contract lists, one for each slot? Like the one above to fill the now-empty slot, and a different list for if/when I drop Anti-Tank?

Ryllandaras, on 15 May 2014 - 09:44 PM, said:

I'm thinking if I have Gravity then if someone does do a find on me then the result won't come out SK but scum - which I can explain away with the contract small print.

I may, depending on if I manage to see what's picked up earlier, only take up one contract today.

It's a risk. Say all goes well and I make it to the next day, I would need to pick up Anti-Tank - if anyone else takes it I'm dead. RIO is no use to me, as I'd have to be able to use it today - which I can't.


All it takes is for one of them to figure that out and take up Anti-Tank when/if I drop it. Perhaps it would be safest to not drop it till tomorrow then.

Ryllandaras, on 16 May 2014 - 03:53 AM, said:

To drop Anti-Tank or to not drop Anti-Tank, that is the question.

Kara is being the best-thinking townie (other than the scummy possession). He's mentioned that SK is likely to take Gravity Amp. Hmmm.

Ryllandaras, on 16 May 2014 - 04:04 AM, said:

Could i swap my list around please and put Information Absorption first?

Ryllandaras, on 16 May 2014 - 05:05 AM, said:

Path-Shaper said:

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Pyro relinquished. I'll wait until it is your turn to register to do anything else, unless you want to relinquish Anti-Tank Rifle too.

No I haven't decided yet on that count.

Ryllandaras, on 16 May 2014 - 05:13 AM, said:

Hmm, might have to change my request list again.

Hallucination will rumble me even if I only have one extra contract, as the SCM will always be there. Ok, so, when it's my turn to register,

Drop Anti-Tank

Request Hallucination, Gravity Amp, Information Absorption, in that order.

Path-Shaper, on 16 May 2014 - 01:13 PM, said:

re: "I'm thinking if I have Gravity then if someone does do a find on me then the result won't come out SK but scum - which I can explain away with the contract small print."

That won't work, as SCM specifically says you will be found/CF as the blood drinker. You would have two mutually exclusive remunerations, in which case SCM takes precedence.

Ryllandaras, on 16 May 2014 - 01:14 PM, said:

Heh, well played Kara.

I wonder if there's any way round what they're saying (perhaps if I acquire Possession?) but trying to work it out is one hoop too many for me - let's just let town have this one

Ryllandaras, on 16 May 2014 - 01:16 PM, said:

Path-Shaper said:

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re: "I'm thinking if I have Gravity then if someone does do a find on me then the result won't come out SK but scum - which I can explain away with the contract small print."

That won't work, as SCM specifically says you will be found/CF as the blood drinker. You would have two mutually exclusive remunerations, in which case SCM takes precedence.

Ok. Gravity at the bottom of the list then. Hallucination and Information top two.

No, actually, screw it, keep the list the same.

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[Path-Shaper]

Ryllandaras, on 16 May 2014 - 01:19 PM, said:

That was meant to be a separate post above. Keep the list the same.

Ryllandaras, on 16 May 2014 - 01:36 PM, said:

Path-Shaper said:

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Do you want to just repost your relinq/registration provisional for me? Just to make sure I get it absolutely right?

Request Gravity, Hallucination, Info Absorption.

Hmm. DON'T drop Anti-Tank.

Path-Shaper, on 16 May 2014 - 01:42 PM, said:

You've registered Hallucination:

OV-724 | Hallucination
Registered
The contractor can create hallucinations at short range. While highly effective at first, most victims quickly realize the deceit and remain attentive to their surroundings. The best use, then, is to use hallucinations of sudden attacks to trick other contractors into revealing their abilities.
Ability: Each night you can learn the contract of another player.
Renumeration: Revealing Secrets. You must divulge on-thread (clearly) the result of any successful night action.
Relinquish: Before you can relinquish this contract, you must reveal on-thread that you possess it.
Fulfillment: none

Ryllandaras, on 16 May 2014 - 01:50 PM, said:

Hmm, do i have this right, would NOT lynching Kara actually be better for me?

5 players. No lynch, no kill.

5 players. Wrong lynch, kill Kara with Anti-tank. Take Possession.

3 players. Wrong lynch, no kill.

2 players. Possess other player, get them to vote for themselves. Win.

I mean, that takes into account a LOT of wrong lynching, but without Possession, I would be a bit screwed, so i think I have to not hammer Kara.

Path-Shaper, on 16 May 2014 - 03:24 PM, said:

Remember that you need to inform PS about where you used song titles.

Ryllandaras, on 16 May 2014 - 03:30 PM, said:

Path-Shaper said:

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Remember that you need to inform PS about where you used song titles.

Oh sorry. It was basically the first five posts after I said which song title i was going to use. I'll go find the pist numbers.

Ryllandaras, on 16 May 2014 - 03:32 PM, said:

Nos. 1376, 79, 80, 81, 83.

Path-Shaper, on 16 May 2014 - 03:34 PM, said:

Thanks

Ryllandaras, on 16 May 2014 - 06:26 PM, said:

Alright, let's see what happens with no lynches every day.

5 players. No lynch no kill.

5 players. No lynch. One Anti-Tank kill. Drop Anti-Tank in exchage for Possession.

4 players. Drop Hallucination for RIO. No lynch, no kill, no possession.

4 players. No lynch, target player with RIO, but they won't die. Dead.

So. The option I have is to come out tomorrow saying 'oh hey guys, I used Hallucination and this dude is totally scum hooray!' thus making them lynch. Odds are that won't work out, but I don't see another play. If Kara is lynched and possession is lost I don't think there's any way to win.

Ryllandaras, on 16 May 2014 - 06:27 PM, said:

Or rather, not tomorrow but the following day. Of course, all this is not taking into account other finds/guards, but there's little I can do about that.

[Path-Shaper]

Ryllandaras, on 16 May 2014 - 09:20 PM, said:

I won't be surprised if Kara possesses me tomorrow if he has possessed Pran today. Again, though, little I can do about that, alas. Except get him lynched right now, but because of the Anti-Tank's cooldown, I can't win with just Anti-Tank and RIO.

Ah, to have had RIO and possession from the beginning. Silly me.

So lynch Kara ir don't lynch Kara, either way I assume it's a lynching for me tomorrow.

Ryllandaras, on 16 May 2014 - 09:25 PM, said:

Hmm, although...I'm. ot sure if I'm reading the Possession fine-print right or not. If Kara possessed Korbas yesterday, that means he has to be in his own body today, right? Because it says they have to return to their own body after a day (also, I'm not entirely sure whether you can post from both alts? I can only assume you can). Which would mean his choice for tonight doesn't necessarily boil down to just me.

Maybe I should actually just up and ask this. When you possess someone, do you control both alts, or can you not post from your own?

Ryllandaras, on 17 May 2014 - 01:38 AM, said:

Oh Gnaw, you've done it again.

Gnaw's a great thinker, but he needs someone around to restrain the train of his thoughts, otherwise he goes to extremes and tries to bend the logic of the game to his own predetermined conclusions.

In this case, I am not sure it has benefitted me. It seems I will have to try and resort to RIO after all. Hopefully Pran can be made a scapegoat for jumping on Korbas' out-there reasoning to hammer.

Ryllandaras, on 17 May 2014 - 01:39 AM, said:

In case they decide to rush through the next day, when it's my turn to register

Relinquish Anti-Tank, request Anti-Tank.

Ryllandaras, on 17 May 2014 - 01:45 AM, said:

Sorry, but dkt catch-ups should be banned. It leads to exactly this sort of posting when they shouldn't be posting as they've been lynched.

I don't know how it would be enforced (perhaps a few modkills when someone is doing it would send the message out), but in these situations, unintentionally or not, it breaks the rules. Just read the final page first and make sure you aren't dead - it takes all of ten seconds.

Ryllandaras, on 17 May 2014 - 05:38 AM, said:

Unfortunately (or fortunately? Who knows!) I think that is a lynch as I don't see anywhere where Okaros removed his vote from Kara.

Ryllandaras, on 17 May 2014 - 01:41 PM, said:

Relinquish Hallucination as soon as you can please.
And relinquish Anti-Tank, reqest Anti-Tank and RIO when it's my turn (guess not till Monday - damn them having a whole weekend to think about lynching me)

Ryllandaras, on 17 May 2014 - 01:51 PM, said:

And now we're going to find out that Korbas used ST on me

Ryllandaras, on 17 May 2014 - 09:12 PM, said:

I don't think Okaros will hammer until after the weekend, but just in case:

When it's my turn to register, drop Anti-Tank. Request Anti-Tank and RIO.

I thought about going for Gravity to keep it from them, but I have little choice. I need to use RIO this night because of Anti-Tank's cooldown. So. If i get those two.

RIO Okaros

Vig Korbas

I may have to change that to target myself if someone picks up Spatial Teleportation

Ryllandaras, on 18 May 2014 - 12:10 AM, said:

Oh yeah, and Consume Korbas.

Ryllandaras, on 18 May 2014 - 12:12 AM, said:

Hmm, how does the contract stuff work with an early lynch, especially on a frozen timer? Does it still get processed if I put in an order like the one above where I didn't say do it immediately?

[Path-Shaper]

Okaros, on 16 May 2014 - 06:26 AM, said:

Gah, I've been so on the fence about Karatallid the whole game. If he ends up not being the person I want to lynch right now, I'm gonna be sad.

Also, after everything that has happened, I'm going to be really upset (in a non-violent way) at Khell if he ends up being Scum or the SK. I've been back and forth about him, but I've mostly been listening to what he says. If he manages to win this as a SK after having Gnaw use one of my quotes as his signature, and the reason he wins is because I've trusted what he's been saying, then I'm going to be really disappointed in myself.

That being said, if Kara isn't the SK, then I might have to just try to lynch Khell tomorrow on principal.

Path-Shaper, on 16 May 2014 - 01:43 PM, said:

You've registered Hormonal Attraction Amplification:


XR-821 | Hormonal Attraction Amplification
Registered
The contractor becomes an irresistable sex god/goddess.
Ability: Each night you may open one and close one lover conversation with any other player(s). You may have up to three lover conversations at once from this ability. Players whom you are lovers with cannot perform any night actions on you. Players do not have to respond, but they cannot end the lover bond.
Renumeration: Leprosy. This is a one-time renumeration which is only paid once the contract is Relinquished or Fulfilled. Your irresistable charm is removed and you become a decrepit leper. You may no longer have any lover bonds with any player for the rest of the game, for any reason.
Relinquish: normal
Fulfillment: Once a player who holds this contract has been lovers at some point with every other living player remaining in the game, this contract becomes Fulfilled.

Okaros, on 16 May 2014 - 03:55 PM, said:

Open a lover bond with Pran Chole.

Path-Shaper, on 16 May 2014 - 04:56 PM, said:

Noted

Okaros, on 17 May 2014 - 06:09 PM, said:

Open lover bond # 2 with Ryll during the next Night Cycle, if we haven't caught the SK.

[Path-Shaper]

Pran Chole, on 16 May 2014 - 10:10 PM, said:

Can I reveal that I don't have a contract?

Path-Shaper, on 17 May 2014 - 11:35 AM, said:

Pran Chole, on 16 May 2014 - 10:10 PM, said:

Can I reveal that I don't have a contract?

yes. Anyone at any time can claim they have no contract.

Pran Chole, on 17 May 2014 - 02:36 PM, said:

Can I fake reveal that I hold certain contracts, hence proving my innocence when I'm not mod-killed?

Path-Shaper, on 17 May 2014 - 08:09 PM, said:

Pran Chole, on 17 May 2014 - 02:36 PM, said:

Can I fake reveal that I hold certain contracts, hence proving my innocence when I'm not mod-killed?

No.

[Path-Shaper]

Pran Chole said:

This post is some giddy joking around, and I hope is not something that can be interpreted as a "meta argument". Making an argument based on meta was totally not my intention, although the real intention (taunting) wasn't all that stellar of a thing to do either. I accept your decision either way.

Pran Chole said:

You know why Town is going to win, Khell? Because you're no longer on our team and cannot sabotage us.

Path-Shaper, on 18 May 2014 - 04:54 PM, said:

It absolutely is Meta and you should cut that shit out immediately. Even if you are not basing any arguments on another player's identity, other people in the game may not have alted them and calling attention to it by using their name publicly or even just informing other people on-thread of who you think you have alted them as can impact how other players would have played the game had you not posted this meta-information.

Pran Chole said:

It's all academic anyways.

No, it wasn't, as the game could have continued on depending on the NAs.

Shinrei said:

Sorry for my bad meta and posting post-lynch. I wasn't properly thinking about what I was doing, and have since realized that I put too much emotional investment in the game and was acting/reacting without proper consideration of what I was doing, and therefore did so in an innappropriate manner. Basically, I just got too fired up and ultimately ran my mouth, so to speak.

I'm sorry.

[Path-Shaper]

The Okaros -Pran Chole lover convo:

Path-Shaper, on 17 May 2014 - 11:39 AM, said:

You two can now speak off-thread here

Pran Chole, on 17 May 2014 - 12:28 PM, said:

Hi. I get the impression our timezones don't line up very well, but I guess we can use this. Ask me whatever you want. I'm convinced the SK is Rhyll and that you and Korbas are innocent. The only doubt that should be floating around is if it is ME instead of Khell, so yeah, I don't hold any contracts at the moment so I can say whatever I want, here or on thread.

Okaros, on 17 May 2014 - 04:30 PM, said:

I'm not using these chats to actually chat with people, I'm using them to protect myself from the SK. I chose you as the most likely SK after Kara. We'll see how things roll out over the weekend.

Pran Chole, on 17 May 2014 - 10:29 PM, said:

Oh FFS, seriously?

You guys just lost the game. Chumps.

[Khellendros]

This spoiler thread was great - you guys are hilarious

HiddenOne, on 14 May 2014 - 02:35 PM, said:

Vengeance, on 14 May 2014 - 01:31 PM, said:

You know there is a reason why Meta is at times used. Because Khell is still in the game therefore he must be scum.. LYNCH HIM!!!!!!!!!!

not always true - If he's having one of his "special" games then you keep him around as an asset for the scum win. But I think he might be getting it under control

Haha, HO, "special" games, I like that one

Mentalist, on 14 May 2014 - 07:34 PM, said:

Vengeance, on 14 May 2014 - 03:07 PM, said:

I swear to god blend you are going to fuck this up for town. Seriously... Use two of the 4 fucking brain cells and read back to the start of yesterday. ARRRRGGGGG

wasn't he the one who got resurrected, too?

talk about summoning your own doom....

And then I killed Tapper as a thank you. I must admit, even to me that seems cruel. But I still chuckle to myself...

Tapper, on 15 May 2014 - 02:48 PM, said:

Vengeance, on 15 May 2014 - 02:06 PM, said:

Tapper, on 15 May 2014 - 01:54 PM, said:

FUCK YOU, KHELL.

I had scum nailed when I weaseled out from under the lynch. We bag the fucking game and what happens? Khell goes Khell.

FUCK YOU, KHELL.
A HEARTY FUCK YOU.

Oh no you don't blame the scorpion for being a scorpion you blame BLEND FOR FUCKING VOTE FOR ME and leaving Khell a way out. That is what you do.

If the shield hadn't gone down Khell would have had to try to kill using rupture either Blend or myself and It couldn't have been me as the SK then Okaros and I would have voted for Khell and Korv already would have been dead and the game would be over. But Blend decided to be clever and fucking lynch me when I wasn't on. WHEN HE FUCKING NEW THAT I COULD NOT BE THE SK.

I know that. And It was so fucking pathetic and so incredibly idioticly dumb that it made me doubt so much which of the two idiots I should vote, to the point where I was looking for one to possess the other because so much idiocy couldn't be spawned by TWO people. And yet there was the sneaking suspicion that it was Kara or Korbas.
On thread, you literally think you can't trust the idiots that are CI'd but fear that if you latch onto them and they aren't scum, you lose the game by not lynching who made sense to be lynched before the thread merged.

I DO blame the scorpion for being a scorpion, though. I brought the FUCKING PIECE OF TRAITOROUS SCUM back into the game. Instead, I get shafted. I really, really, REALLY am horribly pissed off. This was a goddamned town victory with good play, a bit of luck and reading the contracts right. It instead became an endurance contest that no-one feels like playing for the glory of Khell's ego.

I didn't have a list. I don't believe in lists. But tonight, when I go to sleep I'll do an Arya Stark, whispering Khell, Blend, Khell, and Khell again.

Can't we all just forgive and forget, let bygones be bygones, Taps? And let's be frank, town had this in the bag when i first picked up the contract - and then they dropped the bag off a cliff.

Tapper, on 15 May 2014 - 02:57 PM, said:

Incidentally, the radar was on fire this game. I named Demelain, Tholen and Korv, and my gut for Ryll/Khell was also on.

You have a fantastic scumdar almost all the time. When you're playing, I always think to myself i should try and alt you and then follow your lead, if i can work out that you're town.

Path-Shaper, on 15 May 2014 - 03:36 PM, said:

Tapper, on 15 May 2014 - 03:07 PM, said:

Awesome game, D'rek, it is thoughtful, very nicely set-up and the contracts are on the money... but I think most of those who weren't brought back, will have a bitter taste in the mouth. It is one thing to have a scum elude you, it is quite another to have a townie turn traitor on you by his own volition and nothing more.
As such, I am not sure the SK contract should have been up for grabs for a townie. I will have to read up why Korvalain didn't pick it.

Or didn't he because he was frozen and couldn't relinquish?

He could have taken it but didn't. I think maybe just because it would have been too easy to just lynch him and it be over then. He was hoping that if someone else took it it would distract town and he could escape getting lynched.

With this many players, the SK was only in as a balancing mechanic. If scum had lasted longer (ie 2 still alive after night 4, or so) I would not have unlocked the SK at all. But after Brujah died I felt like things had been too easy for town and wanted to add some additional challenge. Thing is, with the contracts town was holding and using on day 5 it *should* have still been relatively easy for them to win after 1 or 2 more days. I didn't expect things to turn out as convoluted as they have suddenly become.

What D'rek says. If you read my PMs you can see how agonising I found it in the beginning.

Vengeance, on 16 May 2014 - 01:46 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 16 May 2014 - 12:56 PM, said:

It's not hard. Tomorrow, if Possession has been used, you get your proof that it is in the hands of Town, no?
And we get another CI (or a possible SK - but again, no need to take the then-proven-Town-by-use-of-a-Contract Possession user's word on it - we can just leave that in case the SK can somehow avoid the AT restriction, and carry on).

I mean seriously. WHAT are you objecting to, here?

He is trying logic. With this crowd???? Fuck me that shit isn't going to work. If logic worked this game would have been over 2 days ago.

Hahahahaha!!! Oh so deliciously true

Tattersail_, on 16 May 2014 - 03:40 PM, said:

Okaros, "I hit Ryll with Cryo"

Ryll gets Pyro

Everyone, "Ryll cannot be SK because he got Pyro"

Me

Spoiler

Losing the will.PNG

This had me crying with laughter, Tatts I'm just glad you were already dead so I didn't have to kill you.

Silencer, on 18 May 2014 - 06:43 AM, said:

Ryllandaras/Khell - just remember I had you dead to rights, by mechanics, with no way out. If Town wasn't playing dumb mafia, you'd have lost this game so, so hard. XD

Oh I would have found a way

Pran Chole said:

You know why Town is going to win, Khell? Because you're no longer on our team and cannot sabotage us.

That last bit. Too funny, Shin, too funny

[Gnaw]

Korbas, on 10 May 2014 - 01:49 AM, said:

I wonder if I can get away with derailing a lynch of Demelain?????

Korbas, on 10 May 2014 - 01:51 AM, said:

Upon successful Possession of Demelain use his Magic to:

• Target Okaros and heal
• Target Rhyllandaras and heal. (I'm betting that he'll get NKed again tonight since Chrono rez is likely)
• Target Korbas and heal
• Target Korbas and Force Contract Registration:
  • Spectral Contract Manipulation if open,

If ^^^ works, I deserve a medal. If it doesn't I'll change Gnaw's title from Defenestrator to Compleat Idiot.

First, fuck you Khell.

Second, note to self: make sure you got rid of all the evidence that proves you were thinking of doing the very same thing.


As much as I'd like to say that I was thinking of town first: there were two guards registered at that time. So the odds were that the Okaros and Ryll heals wouldn't have gone through.

[Gnaw]

Silencer, on 18 May 2014 - 06:43 AM, said:

Ugh.

My fucking compatriots are fucking idiots. GAH.

Some feedback:

Korbas/Gnaw - that was overly paranoid. And you DID place your registration order HOURS before I even had a chance to post. It may have been a long time for you, but I was asleep for that entire time. Seeing as you'd registered the "no posting unless in pics" Contract, there was literally nothing I could have done once that Contract had gone through, and YOU were the one who rejected my offer of working together. There is also nothing I could have posted to convince you of my innocence - the SK had every piece of information any inno would have, remember? I also wasn't particularly motivated to converse seeing as you'd effectively made it so that after 18 hours we could only converse in pictures, and you didn't express any interest in talking to me. From the start. You just assumed anyone using Possession would be scum, when it clearly has other uses, especially end-game.

Coming up with additional mechanics to the SCM Contract, was illogical. Especially when we had seen nothing to indicate such. If there had been a kill on the second night with SCM around? Fine. Speculate away. But pulling BS out your ass in the face of what is an impeccable strategy? No way. Throwing away a Town win, just as deliberately as Khell did when he took SCM. For shame.

Also note: no player who had picked up SCM would take Possession and use it on the first night. It has a one-night cooldown, and even WITHOUT that limitation, it is more likely to get the SCM caught than aid them, until d-day. They might want Possession. They might want it very badly. But they would NOT use it. The fact that you therefore lit up the player holding it by forcing an overly long and very revealing series of posts on-thread, was very silly. You, personally, lost Town this game by ignoring very obvious facts. Yes, SK could have played the "make friends" game. But the risk inherent there was way too great for most players. I'd have been a lot safer, were I the SK, not Possessing you, right? Yeah. OR - Possessing you and then NK'ing you. Get the vote, but no drawbacks.

Taking Possession out of the reach of the SCM, while potentially wise, would not have been necessary if you had not forced so much into the open, and it was also clearly irrelevant as to whether the SCM held Possession or not. Indeed, best case? They used their last anti-tank on me (once practically revealed on-thread) on the subsequent night, thus clearing my name. Without that, they would of course just have narrowed the suspect pool (or hit a CI, but that's to be expected - by then, Possession would have given us two CI's at least, with a third to follow, while the SCM was out of options).

Seriously. Use brain. Win game. You literally had ZERO reason to lynch me. At all. Nothing. The only thing you used was that I probably had Possession - and that was empty of purpose. Late-game, never do stupid shit like that. It's a methodical approach, not a gut one, which wins those situations. And asking for someone to "prove" that they Possessed you when you're accusing the Possessor of being scum? In a game with reveal restrictions preventing that? Nice. Not only should it have tipped you off that I was not scum, given how much effort I was going to in order to make it obvious I had Possession, but it should also have got you to stop and think things through - take a step back.
Setting very specific criteria for "proving" was also silly. Heck, I literally used almost verbatim lines from my conversation with you on-thread. Quite in plain sight, deliberately, while replying to your queries about whether I Possessed you or not.
Fuck, what sort of SK would skate that close to modkill, just to prove they hold a Contract you say makes them scummy?!



Okaros/Blend - you were pretty quiet towards the end. Not only is that suspicious, it doesn't really help Town. Refusing to muddy the waters further is a decent reason, but just flat-out dropping contribution (unless RL reasons affected you?) compared to what you were doing before is...incriminating.


Pran Chole/Shinrei - I don't want to be too harsh here, but the relatively blind, "I'm sick of this"-type play you exhibited throughout the end-game was disappointing. Following votes, apparently not forming your own opinions on stuff...it's sad to see you play that way. It's also, again, not good for Town because it looks suspicious. Even if you were pissed at whoever took up SCM, letting them win the game isn't a good outcome, surely? Never mind letting them win with barely any opposition - you haven't been going after anyone, after all. Just sitting around, not posting. I mean...c'mon, I KNOW you are a better player than that...


Ryllandaras/Khell - just remember I had you dead to rights, by mechanics, with no way out. If Town wasn't playing dumb mafia, you'd have lost this game so, so hard. XD


Also, all of you played, for some reason, as if the SK entering the game late had no effect. Acting like Okaros was still guaranteed CI, etc. when there was no such guarantee. That was weird. I seemed to be the only person who stuck his hand up and said "this is basically a new game, with a bit of pre-info on how people were playing". Late-game pick-up serial killers or FMs are a NIGHTMARE. They literally reset the thread. And yet it was like...business as usual. Let's keep hunting scum!

And I can't have been the only person having trouble with timelines - some of the stuff being thrown around was VERY sketchy as to which game day it happened on. >.< Gotta be mindful of that stuff, too.




Other than what is literally one of the best examples of atrocious Town end-game play I have seen in a while (granted, I haven't played much lately; is this crap standard now? ), the game was fun. Well put together, D'rek, even if I feel like the Contracts were a bit under-utilized by us.


...go Town? *does unenthusiastic cheerleading dance*

Well, since I'm just as culpable of losing this for town as Khell I shall respond. Also because I still don't understand your reasoning which means one of us is dim as a potato. You are right, I put in the registration order before you ever replied. But it wasn't given to us for many hours after you did so.

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Sent 13 May 2014 - 12:27 PM

Oh this is gonna be funny.

Register ID-362 | Remote Inert Organic Sensing and Disintegration

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Sent 14 May 2014 - 05:04 AM

You have registered:


ID-362 | Remote Inert Organic Sensing and Disintegration
Registered


***Note that this remuneration also applies to the possessor when they are posting as Korbas!Only someone with this much power could make this many frittatas without breaking any eggs.

YOU were the one who rejected my offer of working together.

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Sent 13 May 2014 - 05:46 PM

But now that you are speaking...Care to tell me why I should give you the code to keep us alive?

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Sent 13 May 2014 - 06:37 PM

I'm inno and you can pretty much verify it based on when I dropped Guard and picked up Possession.

I picked up Possession because it acts as a soft-find. Yes, I take you over, but there's no reason that you can't still participate through PMs - so I get to verify that you are innocent, that gives us two (from my perspective) innos. Or, I take over scum, and make them vote for themselves/pursue them on-thread to get them lynched.

It's take-it-or-leave it. You're welcome to participate, otherwise I'm just going to post nothing via your account.

Seriously??

The sum total of information you gave me in that PM is:

• I'm inno
• You can verify that because I dropped Guard.
• Trust me.

The dropping guard was already in the thread. You didn't even give a shit enough to say who you were, let alone give me a single drop of reason to trust you. Nothing.


Your logic the next game day was convincing by the way. You proved that we could starve the SK out. IF the SK didn't have possession. Lynching you became the only logical thing to do at that point. Simple decision tree. You are the SK and you're lynched. You're not the SK and your lynch takes Possession out of the game.

So some feedback for you: trust but verify. You failed to make any effort to let me verify. Therefore I had no reason to trust.

Seriously. Use brain. Win game. I literally had ZERO reason not to lynch you. At all. Nothing.

[Gnaw]

@PS.

• I put in the order to register Cryo AFTER the lynch had occurred. "lynch, night, and dawn are instant". And you had made it quite clear that a lynch had occured even though you didn't resolve it then. My only shot was that i wasn't NKed that night and could cryo Ryll the next night.
• "Renumeration: Revealing Secrets. You must divulge on-thread (clearly) the result of any successful night action." I guess I am as stupid as Silencer says. For assuming that "clearly" == honest/accurate/true.

[Shinrei]

First, a reading comprehension test:

I will, no matter who you are, give negative rep to anyone who reps this post. You have been warned.


My biggest error this game was voting off Karatallid, but in my defense what Gnaw sounded like it had to be true, and also after having been possessed I really was ready to believe that whoever held possession AND seemed deliberately unhelpful had to be scum.

In case people didn't figure it out, I was playing the bored townie on purpose, hoping that would get scum to ignore me and put me in a better position at the end to step up and help. I realize now that that probably just made me seem scummy. They go hand-in-hand, I think. The problem is, I didn't make good on what opportunities I had, only getting one thing right (Tholen).

In truth, I spent entirely too much time going over the thread and trying to wrap my head around how the actions could/were playing out, and was second guessing and confusing things again and again. And I realized something - pretty much every high TMDI game I've played has left me feeling angry and/or drained. I don't think I've ever NOT been angry at the end of a game by Tapper, for instance. I'm also terrible at them, the only times I've won have mostly been by mistake and through no help of mine. Being pissed off and bringing out the stupid in me aren't a great combo.

So, from now on, I'm going to be like Macros, I'm going to stick to modding and playing in low TMDI. I even snapped at my 2 year old daughter yesterday because I was re-reading the contract information, and all she wanted was for me to come and play with her in her toy kitchen. I am not EVER going to allow that to happen again - especially not over mafia.

I have found it impossible to divorce myself emotionally from the games (hence me flipping out and posting inappropriate stuff as well). So, no more high TMDI for me.

[Vengeance]

Shin as you know I am a bit emotional and have been known to get a little angry on thread or in SH. I completely understand what your talking about. I had to take a hiatus from mafia to get my RL/ mafia equilibrium back. Now I try to keep my anger on thread were it belongs.

[Gnaw]

Shinrei, on 18 May 2014 - 10:42 PM, said:

First, a reading comprehension test:

I will, no matter who you are, give negative rep to anyone who reps this post. You have been warned.

You know I just gotta....


Rating failed: You have reached your quota of positive votes for the day

This post has been edited by Gnaw: 18 May 2014 - 11:46 PM

[Khellendros]

Gnaw, on 18 May 2014 - 09:39 PM, said:

@PS.

"Renumeration: Revealing Secrets. You must divulge on-thread (clearly) the result of any successful night action." I guess I am as stupid as Silencer says. For assuming that "clearly" == honest/accurate/true.

Yeah, I was able to do that because I didn't use Hallucination at all, so I could just play along with the contract remuneration and make up whatever I wanted. I wouldn't have used it even if I could have (I was in the vig cooldown period then too), as honesty is not a great policy for an SK.


Let's get something straight here, though. Town were not only doing well, they were doing great in this game. Working together, figuring things out, get their actions right. Then one thing changes and town falls apart when there was, really, no reason to. Town were more than on top when I became the SK. All bases could have been covered in those first couple of days with the right selection of guards and find contracts. As you can see from my PMs, I spent a great deal of time poring over those contracts, looking at potentials and possibilities. For whatever reasons, in those last few days, town did not do the same. I don't know if that's because town was wallowing in the satisfaction of their dominance over scum and relaxed, or because they were just annoyed they had to deal with another thing, but that's not a blame that can be rested at my feet. Town should have been able to cope with all the tools at their disposal - I only took advantage of the fact that you LET me take advantage.


tl;dr: You gotta play till the bitter end

This post has been edited by Khellendros: 18 May 2014 - 11:48 PM

[Pran Chole]

I'll be bluntly honest that for me it was completely demoralizing, personally (I can't speak for anyone else). I played piss poor in my last 2 games as town, and then to have defeat snatched from the jaws of victory is what got me so emotionally tsunamii'd in this one. Up until the point of the SK being taken, I was still divorced from the game from an emotional standpoint.

So yeah, as Venge said above, my equilibrium was gone, and as a result I took it very personally.

This post has been edited by Pran Chole: 19 May 2014 - 01:30 AM

[Brujah]

Tattersail_, on 13 May 2014 - 02:36 PM, said:

Also Brujah killed himself ha ha ha ha ha

Guess I lived up to my title after all.

Awesome game, drek.

Great game everyone.

Good job, khell.

[Tattersail_]

So Town Lost.
Scum Lost
and only Khell won.

He wanted it for himself. From our viewpoint, it should have been impossible for him to win. So that is Kudo's for Khell. I will rep him a few times.

[Tattersail_]

Shin, just from my point of view, you can still play high tdmi but not try to work out mechanics? At the end of the day, this game could have been won on thread. Nobody went back to the time the SK contract was taken. Looked at the two groups and worked out logically who could win from that point on. Khell's hammer of Anthras was the same as Tholen's hammer of Kaschan. Scummy.

There was no way, any of you should have overlooked that.

High TDMi is still mafia with weird night actions. You still have scum defending each other, distancing, voting elsewhere. All you can stay is townie, and if you are fooled then you are fooled, IT IS JUST A GAME, that we are meant to play for fun.

[Tapper]

Tattersail_, on 19 May 2014 - 07:39 AM, said:

Shin, just from my point of view, you can still play high tdmi but not try to work out mechanics? At the end of the day, this game could have been won on thread. Nobody went back to the time the SK contract was taken. Looked at the two groups and worked out logically who could win from that point on. Khell's hammer of Anthras was the same as Tholen's hammer of Kaschan. Scummy.

There was no way, any of you should have overlooked that.

High TDMi is still mafia with weird night actions. You still have scum defending each other, distancing, voting elsewhere. All you can stay is townie, and if you are fooled then you are fooled, IT IS JUST A GAME, that we are meant to play for fun.

I somewhat disagree. A mafia-sense will either keep you around, or make you a target, yes. That's not different from standard mafia and yes, the posting styles and tactics will be largely the same. However, the problem with ignoring the mechanics in high TMDI games is that you'll lose the (night) action competition because the optimal way of using abilities isn't going to be apparent, the same for loopholes left intentionally or unintentionally by the mod.