[Tattersail_]

OMG I just posted!

[Tattersail_]

Okaros, "I hit Ryll with Cryo"

Ryll gets Pyro

Everyone, "Ryll cannot be SK because he got Pyro"

Me

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[Tattersail_]

Khell

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[Vengeance]

Okaros, on 16 May 2014 - 03:56 PM, said:

So are we really going to try winning thus game by not doing anything?

Well not now your not going to you fuck head.

[Vengeance]

Uggg...

Stupid pics.

Khell is laughing himself silly. Town has to hope that he laughs so hard that he slips on the philly court house steps and breaks his fingers as the only way he is going to lose is if he can't type.

This post has been edited by Vengeance: 16 May 2014 - 05:30 PM

[Path-Shaper]

This is Khell's current plan:

Ryllandaras, on 16 May 2014 - 06:26 PM, said:

Alright, let's see what happens with no lynches every day.

5 players. No lynch no kill.

5 players. No lynch. One Anti-Tank kill. Drop Anti-Tank in exchage for Possession.

4 players. Drop Hallucination for RIO. No lynch, no kill, no possession.

4 players. No lynch, target player with RIO, but they won't die. Dead.

So. The option I have is to come out tomorrow saying 'oh hey guys, I used Hallucination and this dude is totally scum hooray!' thus making them lynch. Odds are that won't work out, but I don't see another play. If Kara is lynched and possession is lost I don't think there's any way to win.

Which is just about right.

He could win with Kara getting lynched, but he'd be hard-pressed to avoid getting lynched himself if he does.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 16 May 2014 - 06:40 PM

[Vengeance]

Path-Shaper, on 16 May 2014 - 06:40 PM, said:

This is Khell's current plan:

Ryllandaras, on 16 May 2014 - 06:26 PM, said:

Alright, let's see what happens with no lynches every day.

5 players. No lynch no kill.

5 players. No lynch. One Anti-Tank kill. Drop Anti-Tank in exchage for Possession.

4 players. Drop Hallucination for RIO. No lynch, no kill, no possession.

4 players. No lynch, target player with RIO, but they won't die. Dead.

So. The option I have is to come out tomorrow saying 'oh hey guys, I used Hallucination and this dude is totally scum hooray!' thus making them lynch. Odds are that won't work out, but I don't see another play. If Kara is lynched and possession is lost I don't think there's any way to win.

Which is just about right.

He could win with Kara getting lynched, but he'd be hard-pressed to avoid getting lynched himself if he does.

He should have picked up RIO and anti-tank. Hit one person with anti hit another with Rio for the next night. Drop anti tank pick up hallucination. That would have kept him alive longer. I don't think that town has it in them to let the days time out repeatedly. I think that they will lynch and lose.

[Path-Shaper]

Vengeance, on 16 May 2014 - 06:51 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 16 May 2014 - 06:40 PM, said:

This is Khell's current plan:

Ryllandaras, on 16 May 2014 - 06:26 PM, said:

Alright, let's see what happens with no lynches every day.

5 players. No lynch no kill.

5 players. No lynch. One Anti-Tank kill. Drop Anti-Tank in exchage for Possession.

4 players. Drop Hallucination for RIO. No lynch, no kill, no possession.

4 players. No lynch, target player with RIO, but they won't die. Dead.

So. The option I have is to come out tomorrow saying 'oh hey guys, I used Hallucination and this dude is totally scum hooray!' thus making them lynch. Odds are that won't work out, but I don't see another play. If Kara is lynched and possession is lost I don't think there's any way to win.

Which is just about right.

He could win with Kara getting lynched, but he'd be hard-pressed to avoid getting lynched himself if he does.

He should have picked up RIO and anti-tank. Hit one person with anti hit another with Rio for the next night. Drop anti tank pick up hallucination. That would have kept him alive longer. I don't think that town has it in them to let the days time out repeatedly. I think that they will lynch and lose.

I think so too, but we shall see.

[Messremb]

I think that was a lynch D'rek - at 35ish hours

Path-Shaper, on 15 May 2014 - 01:41 PM, said:

It is Day 6. 36 hours remaining. 18 hours of registration left.

5 players are alive: Karatallid, Korbas, Okaros, Pran Chole, Ryllandaras

3 votes to lynch. 3 to go to night.

No one has voted.

Pran Chole, on 17 May 2014 - 12:05 AM, said:

Just in case, although I don't remember ever voting.


Remove Vote

Vote Karatallid

[Path-Shaper]

Karatallid, on 16 May 2014 - 11:01 AM, said:

Update to Povisional:

Possess Pran Chole

Unless Lynched

Then Possess Ryllandaras.

Karatallid, on 16 May 2014 - 11:02 AM, said:

Just in case I am not, in fact, lynched by the mob. Jesus these guys are stubborn.

When did mafia become so hard to play for more than 5 days in a row? You'd think this lot have never played a long game before...

Karatallid, on 16 May 2014 - 11:10 AM, said:

I also really, really hope I am not running on any faulty maths, here.

It's a bit jumbly in my own head - but I think my strategy wins.

It wins more, if as the actual TOWN (FFS) with Possession, I can do soft-finds and eliminate suspects. Or at least prevent the SK from openly registering RIO for another day while I'm in their account. Bwahahah.

Karatallid, on 16 May 2014 - 11:10 AM, said:

(And when I say prevent, I mean because Registering it would be suspicious, not actually stopping them, obviously.)

Path-Shaper, on 16 May 2014 - 01:29 PM, said:

Noted.

Careful with what you are saying on-thread... you are getting really close to outright confirming that you possessed Korbas, which since you still hold the Possession contract would be a reveal and cause demons from beyond the gate to rip out your soul.

Karatallid, on 16 May 2014 - 02:37 PM, said:

Yeah, I figured I was skirting the edge a little. Just getting a bit pissed off with Mr. No Concept of Time Zones or Real Life.

[Silencer]

Ugh.

My fucking compatriots are fucking idiots. GAH.

Some feedback:

Korbas/Gnaw - that was overly paranoid. And you DID place your registration order HOURS before I even had a chance to post. It may have been a long time for you, but I was asleep for that entire time. Seeing as you'd registered the "no posting unless in pics" Contract, there was literally nothing I could have done once that Contract had gone through, and YOU were the one who rejected my offer of working together. There is also nothing I could have posted to convince you of my innocence - the SK had every piece of information any inno would have, remember? I also wasn't particularly motivated to converse seeing as you'd effectively made it so that after 18 hours we could only converse in pictures, and you didn't express any interest in talking to me. From the start. You just assumed anyone using Possession would be scum, when it clearly has other uses, especially end-game.

Coming up with additional mechanics to the SCM Contract, was illogical. Especially when we had seen nothing to indicate such. If there had been a kill on the second night with SCM around? Fine. Speculate away. But pulling BS out your ass in the face of what is an impeccable strategy? No way. Throwing away a Town win, just as deliberately as Khell did when he took SCM. For shame.

Also note: no player who had picked up SCM would take Possession and use it on the first night. It has a one-night cooldown, and even WITHOUT that limitation, it is more likely to get the SCM caught than aid them, until d-day. They might want Possession. They might want it very badly. But they would NOT use it. The fact that you therefore lit up the player holding it by forcing an overly long and very revealing series of posts on-thread, was very silly. You, personally, lost Town this game by ignoring very obvious facts. Yes, SK could have played the "make friends" game. But the risk inherent there was way too great for most players. I'd have been a lot safer, were I the SK, not Possessing you, right? Yeah. OR - Possessing you and then NK'ing you. Get the vote, but no drawbacks.

Taking Possession out of the reach of the SCM, while potentially wise, would not have been necessary if you had not forced so much into the open, and it was also clearly irrelevant as to whether the SCM held Possession or not. Indeed, best case? They used their last anti-tank on me (once practically revealed on-thread) on the subsequent night, thus clearing my name. Without that, they would of course just have narrowed the suspect pool (or hit a CI, but that's to be expected - by then, Possession would have given us two CI's at least, with a third to follow, while the SCM was out of options).

Seriously. Use brain. Win game. You literally had ZERO reason to lynch me. At all. Nothing. The only thing you used was that I probably had Possession - and that was empty of purpose. Late-game, never do stupid shit like that. It's a methodical approach, not a gut one, which wins those situations. And asking for someone to "prove" that they Possessed you when you're accusing the Possessor of being scum? In a game with reveal restrictions preventing that? Nice. Not only should it have tipped you off that I was not scum, given how much effort I was going to in order to make it obvious I had Possession, but it should also have got you to stop and think things through - take a step back.
Setting very specific criteria for "proving" was also silly. Heck, I literally used almost verbatim lines from my conversation with you on-thread. Quite in plain sight, deliberately, while replying to your queries about whether I Possessed you or not.
Fuck, what sort of SK would skate that close to modkill, just to prove they hold a Contract you say makes them scummy?!



Okaros/Blend - you were pretty quiet towards the end. Not only is that suspicious, it doesn't really help Town. Refusing to muddy the waters further is a decent reason, but just flat-out dropping contribution (unless RL reasons affected you?) compared to what you were doing before is...incriminating.


Pran Chole/Shinrei - I don't want to be too harsh here, but the relatively blind, "I'm sick of this"-type play you exhibited throughout the end-game was disappointing. Following votes, apparently not forming your own opinions on stuff...it's sad to see you play that way. It's also, again, not good for Town because it looks suspicious. Even if you were pissed at whoever took up SCM, letting them win the game isn't a good outcome, surely? Never mind letting them win with barely any opposition - you haven't been going after anyone, after all. Just sitting around, not posting. I mean...c'mon, I KNOW you are a better player than that...


Ryllandaras/Khell - just remember I had you dead to rights, by mechanics, with no way out. If Town wasn't playing dumb mafia, you'd have lost this game so, so hard. XD


Also, all of you played, for some reason, as if the SK entering the game late had no effect. Acting like Okaros was still guaranteed CI, etc. when there was no such guarantee. That was weird. I seemed to be the only person who stuck his hand up and said "this is basically a new game, with a bit of pre-info on how people were playing". Late-game pick-up serial killers or FMs are a NIGHTMARE. They literally reset the thread. And yet it was like...business as usual. Let's keep hunting scum!

And I can't have been the only person having trouble with timelines - some of the stuff being thrown around was VERY sketchy as to which game day it happened on. >.< Gotta be mindful of that stuff, too.




Other than what is literally one of the best examples of atrocious Town end-game play I have seen in a while (granted, I haven't played much lately; is this crap standard now? ), the game was fun. Well put together, D'rek, even if I feel like the Contracts were a bit under-utilized by us.


...go Town? *does unenthusiastic cheerleading dance*

[Macros]

I enjoyed the middle of the post 'I had you khell!'

ask any racer ANY racer........

[Silencer]

Macros, on 18 May 2014 - 07:29 AM, said:

I enjoyed the middle of the post 'I had you khell!'

ask any racer ANY racer........

[Tapper]

Silencer, on 18 May 2014 - 06:43 AM, said:

Ugh.

My fucking compatriots are fucking idiots. GAH.

Some feedback:

Korbas/Gnaw - that was overly paranoid. And you DID place your registration order HOURS before I even had a chance to post. It may have been a long time for you, but I was asleep for that entire time. Seeing as you'd registered the "no posting unless in pics" Contract, there was literally nothing I could have done once that Contract had gone through, and YOU were the one who rejected my offer of working together. There is also nothing I could have posted to convince you of my innocence - the SK had every piece of information any inno would have, remember? I also wasn't particularly motivated to converse seeing as you'd effectively made it so that after 18 hours we could only converse in pictures, and you didn't express any interest in talking to me. From the start. You just assumed anyone using Possession would be scum, when it clearly has other uses, especially end-game.

Coming up with additional mechanics to the SCM Contract, was illogical. Especially when we had seen nothing to indicate such. If there had been a kill on the second night with SCM around? Fine. Speculate away. But pulling BS out your ass in the face of what is an impeccable strategy? No way. Throwing away a Town win, just as deliberately as Khell did when he took SCM. For shame.

Also note: no player who had picked up SCM would take Possession and use it on the first night. It has a one-night cooldown, and even WITHOUT that limitation, it is more likely to get the SCM caught than aid them, until d-day. They might want Possession. They might want it very badly. But they would NOT use it. The fact that you therefore lit up the player holding it by forcing an overly long and very revealing series of posts on-thread, was very silly. You, personally, lost Town this game by ignoring very obvious facts. Yes, SK could have played the "make friends" game. But the risk inherent there was way too great for most players. I'd have been a lot safer, were I the SK, not Possessing you, right? Yeah. OR - Possessing you and then NK'ing you. Get the vote, but no drawbacks.

Taking Possession out of the reach of the SCM, while potentially wise, would not have been necessary if you had not forced so much into the open, and it was also clearly irrelevant as to whether the SCM held Possession or not. Indeed, best case? They used their last anti-tank on me (once practically revealed on-thread) on the subsequent night, thus clearing my name. Without that, they would of course just have narrowed the suspect pool (or hit a CI, but that's to be expected - by then, Possession would have given us two CI's at least, with a third to follow, while the SCM was out of options).

Seriously. Use brain. Win game. You literally had ZERO reason to lynch me. At all. Nothing. The only thing you used was that I probably had Possession - and that was empty of purpose. Late-game, never do stupid shit like that. It's a methodical approach, not a gut one, which wins those situations. And asking for someone to "prove" that they Possessed you when you're accusing the Possessor of being scum? In a game with reveal restrictions preventing that? Nice. Not only should it have tipped you off that I was not scum, given how much effort I was going to in order to make it obvious I had Possession, but it should also have got you to stop and think things through - take a step back.
Setting very specific criteria for "proving" was also silly. Heck, I literally used almost verbatim lines from my conversation with you on-thread. Quite in plain sight, deliberately, while replying to your queries about whether I Possessed you or not.
Fuck, what sort of SK would skate that close to modkill, just to prove they hold a Contract you say makes them scummy?!



Okaros/Blend - you were pretty quiet towards the end. Not only is that suspicious, it doesn't really help Town. Refusing to muddy the waters further is a decent reason, but just flat-out dropping contribution (unless RL reasons affected you?) compared to what you were doing before is...incriminating.


Pran Chole/Shinrei - I don't want to be too harsh here, but the relatively blind, "I'm sick of this"-type play you exhibited throughout the end-game was disappointing. Following votes, apparently not forming your own opinions on stuff...it's sad to see you play that way. It's also, again, not good for Town because it looks suspicious. Even if you were pissed at whoever took up SCM, letting them win the game isn't a good outcome, surely? Never mind letting them win with barely any opposition - you haven't been going after anyone, after all. Just sitting around, not posting. I mean...c'mon, I KNOW you are a better player than that...


Ryllandaras/Khell - just remember I had you dead to rights, by mechanics, with no way out. If Town wasn't playing dumb mafia, you'd have lost this game so, so hard. XD


Also, all of you played, for some reason, as if the SK entering the game late had no effect. Acting like Okaros was still guaranteed CI, etc. when there was no such guarantee. That was weird. I seemed to be the only person who stuck his hand up and said "this is basically a new game, with a bit of pre-info on how people were playing". Late-game pick-up serial killers or FMs are a NIGHTMARE. They literally reset the thread. And yet it was like...business as usual. Let's keep hunting scum!

And I can't have been the only person having trouble with timelines - some of the stuff being thrown around was VERY sketchy as to which game day it happened on. >.< Gotta be mindful of that stuff, too.




Other than what is literally one of the best examples of atrocious Town end-game play I have seen in a while (granted, I haven't played much lately; is this crap standard now? ), the game was fun. Well put together, D'rek, even if I feel like the Contracts were a bit under-utilized by us.


...go Town? *does unenthusiastic cheerleading dance*

All true except for the bolded.
Unless the SK contract could be picked up in addition to contracts people already held without relinquishing, both Blend and myself were guaranteed to not be the SK as neither of us could relinquish our contract.

[Silencer]

Eh, I tended to assume that was the case - however, if there was one thing possible with SCM, it was holding multiple Contracts at once. It was therefore possible (at least in theory) that SCM could be picked up in addition to an existing Contract. And technically there is nothing in Cryo that says the *target* can't relinquish/register Contracts while frozen - just NAs are off the table (based on on-thread information from the OP).

Plus it's generally safer to assume that someone's status as CI has at least downgraded to VPI, rather than blithely assuming that nothing has changed. It's a deliberately pick-upable alignment shift; this makes it a pretty hard reset for those lines.

[Tattersail_]

That's game over. I'm so disappointed. Did they not have like 36 hours to work through things? This is when you become a hero. Player of the match. Best player etc. Seriously. I don't follow how they have come to the conclusion.

Just cause a player had a contract that makes them okay? Khell knows he needed a lynch due to Silencers plan. He has basically won the game with good night actions and minimum thread participation.

What a game.

Seriously. What's the point of defending yourselves so hard early game if you're not prepared to go full tilt at endgame.

[Path-Shaper]

Well, Korbas registered Cryo and could have guarded Khell. But he didn't submit a NA. So Khell vigs him and the game ends.

[Silencer]

Tattersail_, on 18 May 2014 - 03:25 PM, said:

That's game over. I'm so disappointed. Did they not have like 36 hours to work through things? This is when you become a hero. Player of the match. Best player etc. Seriously. I don't follow how they have come to the conclusion.

Just cause a player had a contract that makes them okay? Khell knows he needed a lynch due to Silencers plan. He has basically won the game with good night actions and minimum thread participation.

What a game.

Seriously. What's the point of defending yourselves so hard early game if you're not prepared to go full tilt at endgame.

As I said on-thread - people appear to have become a bit bored/tired of the game. It's odd, because as far as I recall, this isn't a particularly long game of mafia. An extra opponent at the end can be fatiguing, but seriously, it's all of a couple of days.


The sad thing is, Khell really didn't have to work for his victory - it's all on bad Town play and rushed decisions, on under-analyzed information and low commitment. Bleh.

(And note: the same logic used to verify Hallucination as a "good" Contract was used to label Possession a "bad" Contract. This is probably something which would be less of a problem if more people had seen the series, but it's disappointing in general, as it wasn't that black&white and never was. Especially once the SK came into play.

[Path-Shaper]

Path-Shaper, on 15 May 2014 - 08:48 PM, said:

"If AntiTank reaches fulfillment by being used for the 3rd time does it automatically expire or does it have to be relinquished first?"

What does the contract say on the first page? Does it say that it automatically relinquishes when fulfilled? No? Well there you go.

Korbas, on 15 May 2014 - 08:57 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 15 May 2014 - 08:48 PM, said:

"If AntiTank reaches fulfillment by being used for the 3rd time does it automatically expire or does it have to be relinquished first?"

What does the contract say on the first page? Does it say that it automatically relinquishes when fulfilled? No? Well there you go.

And I hadn't seen your answer in thread.

Korbas, on 15 May 2014 - 09:22 PM, said:

NtS said:

Dammit. If Korv was town then there could still be a scum also. Meaning today really might be d-day.

Of course, if he was town we might have to have a malazan meetup in his house. With enough of us we could scrub the place clean of evidence in a couple of hours.

Korbas, on 15 May 2014 - 10:56 PM, said:

Register in the following order:

• Spatial Teleportation
• Cryokinesis
• Gravity Manipulation

Confirming that order.


Assuming a Kara lynch occurs while I'm gone:

• ST
  • ST - Target Myself and Okaros
  • ST - if okaros is lynched, target the karatallid and myself
• 
  
• Cryokinesis and Gravity Manipulation: Target Karatallid. If lynched, target Okaros

Path-Shaper, on 16 May 2014 - 01:40 PM, said:

You have registered Spatial Teleportation.

Korbas, on 16 May 2014 - 02:40 PM, said:

danke

Assuming a Kara lynch occurs while I'm reading up:<br style="color: rgb(28, 40, 55); font-size: 12.727272033691406px; line-height: 19.09090805053711px; background-color: rgb(250, 251, 252);">

• ST
  • ST - Target Myself and Okaros
  • ST - if okaros is lynched, target karatallid and myself

Korbas, on 16 May 2014 - 03:35 PM, said:

Ok. Money where my mouth is time. two finders and one NK which I'm almost certain is on cooldown.

Do not use Spatial Teleportation.




edit: meh. only one finder.

Path-Shaper, on 16 May 2014 - 04:56 PM, said:

Noted

[Path-Shaper]

Korbas, on 16 May 2014 - 05:39 PM, said:

Whichever town took SCM is a complete asshole. If Kara is town, he should've done something to convince me of that while he had me possessed. And not putting out the information about me being fourth on the registration list is just plain scummy to me.

Korbas, on 16 May 2014 - 05:43 PM, said:

If Ryll took it and using his travelling to hide behind, I'm going to be thoroughly pissed at him.

I've made stupid decisions every game. So I won't be annoyed if Korv is town. But hiding the CF was dumb if he is town.

Korbas, on 16 May 2014 - 05:44 PM, said:

If Korv was town and that means there is a 3rd scum, if it isn't Kara it's Pran. And he took SK. I'll give him props for winning.

Korbas, on 17 May 2014 - 12:04 AM, said:

ST target Karatallid and myself. If Karatallid is lynched and the game doesn't end, target myself and Okaros.

Korbas, on 17 May 2014 - 12:22 AM, said:

Shit. Made two posts with the Gnaw alt. deleted them and reposted with this one.

Korbas, on 17 May 2014 - 12:23 AM, said:

Pran saw. And a lurker.

Korbas, on 17 May 2014 - 11:50 AM, said:

Shit, fuck, goddammit. Silencer, I blame you for that one. "trust me" is insufficient reason for trust.

Relinquish Spatial Teleportation immediately




no, not yet

Korbas, on 17 May 2014 - 11:51 AM, said:

Korbas, on 17 May 2014 - 12:04 AM, said:

ST target Karatallid and myself. If Karatallid is lynched and the game doesn't end, target myself and Okaros.

Forgot I had done that

Korbas, on 17 May 2014 - 12:03 PM, said:

hallucinate can't lie, correct?

Ok, relinquish Spatial Teleportation immediately please.

Korbas, on 17 May 2014 - 11:38 PM, said:

Register Cryokinesis