[Anthras]

Okaros, on 09 May 2014 - 02:52 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 29 April 2014 - 05:53 PM, said:

DM-872 | Rupture Internal Organs
Open


XY-170 | Blood-Induced Matter Transportation
Registered


JW-157 | Shapeshifting
Open


OV-724 | Hallucination
Open


EZ-674 | Gravity Amplification
Registered


GT-131 | Molecular Reconstitution
Expired


PJ-531 | Spatial Teleportation
Registered


GC-817 | Invisibility
Expired


UI-678 | Anti-tank Rifle Materialization
Registered


KN-042 | Stone & Metal Material Absorption
Registered


XR-821 | Hormonal Attraction Amplification
Open


GW-345 | Fog Generation
Expired


DP-391 | Information Absorption
Open


HW-702 | Possession
Registered


XC-677 | Liquid-Induced Cryokinesis
Registered


TZ-959 | Pyrokinesis
Open


GE-978 | Chronokinesis
Registered


ID-362 | Remote Inert Organic Sensing and Disintegration
Open


MR-433 | Magic
Registered


MC-198 | Impenetrable Infinite Force-field Creation
Registered

Post registration list, so that we have a record of it.

So Rupture was dropped and Force-Field was picked up. I guess we can expect to be broken into groups now.

[Okaros]

Alright, to untangle what Demelain's been saying:

In his original post as the magician, he basically said that whoever had the Vig contract on Day 1 relinquished it on Day 2, and he picked it up to keep it out of scum's hands. Then he relinquished it and picked up Magic on Day 3.

This series of events makes sense, but I would be much more comfortable if he had told us which contract he held on Day 1.

His second post with the pidgeons and stuff is basically just a bunch of crap. He's basically using the usual "lynch me if you must, but then you're going to lose the game cause you're getting rid of a very important townie." The usual blather that is expected from a townie.

...and that's all he's said since he's picked up the Magic contract.

I'm going to now go through the rest of the thread, paying close attention to Karatallid next. But right now, I see absolutely no reason why Demelain should not be lynched. It's possible he is town, but I'm not even close to confident enough with that to allow him to keep the Magic contract. So for now my vote stays where it is.

[Okaros]

Korbas, on 09 May 2014 - 07:18 AM, said:

Demelain has magic. If he didn't, he'd have been modkilled for claiming that he had it.

Okaros wanted Magic. Okaros was townie without a contract, so his order in the registrant list was higher than mine even though I relinquished. Because the list was (according to the the rules as stated) was made before I relinquished.

Therefore the odds that Demelain is town and drew a lower numer than Okaros are thin. The more likely position is that Demelain is scum and therefore got to choose before town.

Just to clarify all this - I started Day 3 with the Hallucination contract still active. I had to mention on thread that I was holding it, which I did when I confirmed that Venasara had the BP contract during Night 1, and then relinquish it. So this, unfortunately, is not a definite indication that Demelain must be scum as I could just have been lower on the list than Demelain but higher than Korbas.

[Anthras]

Okaros, on 09 May 2014 - 03:09 PM, said:

Alright, to untangle what Demelain's been saying:

In his original post as the magician, he basically said that whoever had the Vig contract on Day 1 relinquished it on Day 2, and he picked it up to keep it out of scum's hands. Then he relinquished it and picked up Magic on Day 3.

This series of events makes sense, but I would be much more comfortable if he had told us which contract he held on Day 1.

His second post with the pidgeons and stuff is basically just a bunch of crap. He's basically using the usual "lynch me if you must, but then you're going to lose the game cause you're getting rid of a very important townie." The usual blather that is expected from a townie.

...and that's all he's said since he's picked up the Magic contract.

I'm going to now go through the rest of the thread, paying close attention to Karatallid next. But right now, I see absolutely no reason why Demelain should not be lynched. It's possible he is town, but I'm not even close to confident enough with that to allow him to keep the Magic contract. So for now my vote stays where it is.

That is funny because I don't remember the anti tank being dropped on day 2. It could have happened quick but I don't remember it happening. Is there evidence of the anti tank being dropped?

[Anthras]

Okaros, on 09 May 2014 - 03:13 PM, said:

Korbas, on 09 May 2014 - 07:18 AM, said:

Demelain has magic. If he didn't, he'd have been modkilled for claiming that he had it.

Okaros wanted Magic. Okaros was townie without a contract, so his order in the registrant list was higher than mine even though I relinquished. Because the list was (according to the the rules as stated) was made before I relinquished.

Therefore the odds that Demelain is town and drew a lower numer than Okaros are thin. The more likely position is that Demelain is scum and therefore got to choose before town.

Just to clarify all this - I started Day 3 with the Hallucination contract still active. I had to mention on thread that I was holding it, which I did when I confirmed that Venasara had the BP contract during Night 1, and then relinquish it. So this, unfortunately, is not a definite indication that Demelain must be scum as I could just have been lower on the list than Demelain but higher than Korbas.

That is what I figured. I thought that since you were town and if demelain was scum then he would have a higher position then you. But your right he could have been a towny with a higher position.

[Okaros]

Anthras, on 09 May 2014 - 03:21 PM, said:

Okaros, on 09 May 2014 - 03:09 PM, said:

Alright, to untangle what Demelain's been saying:

In his original post as the magician, he basically said that whoever had the Vig contract on Day 1 relinquished it on Day 2, and he picked it up to keep it out of scum's hands. Then he relinquished it and picked up Magic on Day 3.

This series of events makes sense, but I would be much more comfortable if he had told us which contract he held on Day 1.

His second post with the pidgeons and stuff is basically just a bunch of crap. He's basically using the usual "lynch me if you must, but then you're going to lose the game cause you're getting rid of a very important townie." The usual blather that is expected from a townie.

...and that's all he's said since he's picked up the Magic contract.

I'm going to now go through the rest of the thread, paying close attention to Karatallid next. But right now, I see absolutely no reason why Demelain should not be lynched. It's possible he is town, but I'm not even close to confident enough with that to allow him to keep the Magic contract. So for now my vote stays where it is.

That is funny because I don't remember the anti tank being dropped on day 2. It could have happened quick but I don't remember it happening. Is there evidence of the anti tank being dropped?

No, there isn't, but that could just be because there were enough provisionals in for D'rek to do it all at once. There's no way to be certain if he's telling the truth one way or the other.

[Okaros]

Okaros, on 09 May 2014 - 03:28 PM, said:

Anthras, on 09 May 2014 - 03:21 PM, said:

Okaros, on 09 May 2014 - 03:09 PM, said:

Alright, to untangle what Demelain's been saying:

In his original post as the magician, he basically said that whoever had the Vig contract on Day 1 relinquished it on Day 2, and he picked it up to keep it out of scum's hands. Then he relinquished it and picked up Magic on Day 3.

This series of events makes sense, but I would be much more comfortable if he had told us which contract he held on Day 1.

His second post with the pidgeons and stuff is basically just a bunch of crap. He's basically using the usual "lynch me if you must, but then you're going to lose the game cause you're getting rid of a very important townie." The usual blather that is expected from a townie.

...and that's all he's said since he's picked up the Magic contract.

I'm going to now go through the rest of the thread, paying close attention to Karatallid next. But right now, I see absolutely no reason why Demelain should not be lynched. It's possible he is town, but I'm not even close to confident enough with that to allow him to keep the Magic contract. So for now my vote stays where it is.

That is funny because I don't remember the anti tank being dropped on day 2. It could have happened quick but I don't remember it happening. Is there evidence of the anti tank being dropped?

No, there isn't, but that could just be because there were enough provisionals in for D'rek to do it all at once. There's no way to be certain if he's telling the truth one way or the other.

Another relevant piece to this puzzle is Hentos' claim:

Hentos Ilm, on 09 May 2014 - 11:55 AM, said:

I didn't hold a contract day 1.
First and foremost, I lacked play time and thus, using any contract I obtained responsibly was going to be hard.
You may see some proof of that in a discussion I had earlier (I think with you, Korvalain or maybe Demelain) where I said I ought to have picked up Shapeshifter because the unused votes would have gravitated towards me and might have made sure we had a lynch day 1, but oh well. You don't need to believe my word on this.

If he's the player that didn't hold the contract, then Demelain HAD to have a contract. I'd really like to hear which contract Demelain held during Day 1.

[Anthras]

Okaros, on 09 May 2014 - 03:28 PM, said:

Anthras, on 09 May 2014 - 03:21 PM, said:

Okaros, on 09 May 2014 - 03:09 PM, said:

Alright, to untangle what Demelain's been saying:

In his original post as the magician, he basically said that whoever had the Vig contract on Day 1 relinquished it on Day 2, and he picked it up to keep it out of scum's hands. Then he relinquished it and picked up Magic on Day 3.

This series of events makes sense, but I would be much more comfortable if he had told us which contract he held on Day 1.

His second post with the pidgeons and stuff is basically just a bunch of crap. He's basically using the usual "lynch me if you must, but then you're going to lose the game cause you're getting rid of a very important townie." The usual blather that is expected from a townie.

...and that's all he's said since he's picked up the Magic contract.

I'm going to now go through the rest of the thread, paying close attention to Karatallid next. But right now, I see absolutely no reason why Demelain should not be lynched. It's possible he is town, but I'm not even close to confident enough with that to allow him to keep the Magic contract. So for now my vote stays where it is.

That is funny because I don't remember the anti tank being dropped on day 2. It could have happened quick but I don't remember it happening. Is there evidence of the anti tank being dropped?

No, there isn't, but that could just be because there were enough provisionals in for D'rek to do it all at once. There's no way to be certain if he's telling the truth one way or the other.

Which is why we need to lynch him. How much time is left in the day? I am waiting to hear from everyone before I vote. I would love to hear from him again before he is lynched.

[Anthras]

Okaros, on 09 May 2014 - 03:30 PM, said:

Okaros, on 09 May 2014 - 03:28 PM, said:

Anthras, on 09 May 2014 - 03:21 PM, said:

Okaros, on 09 May 2014 - 03:09 PM, said:

Alright, to untangle what Demelain's been saying:

In his original post as the magician, he basically said that whoever had the Vig contract on Day 1 relinquished it on Day 2, and he picked it up to keep it out of scum's hands. Then he relinquished it and picked up Magic on Day 3.

This series of events makes sense, but I would be much more comfortable if he had told us which contract he held on Day 1.

His second post with the pidgeons and stuff is basically just a bunch of crap. He's basically using the usual "lynch me if you must, but then you're going to lose the game cause you're getting rid of a very important townie." The usual blather that is expected from a townie.

...and that's all he's said since he's picked up the Magic contract.

I'm going to now go through the rest of the thread, paying close attention to Karatallid next. But right now, I see absolutely no reason why Demelain should not be lynched. It's possible he is town, but I'm not even close to confident enough with that to allow him to keep the Magic contract. So for now my vote stays where it is.

That is funny because I don't remember the anti tank being dropped on day 2. It could have happened quick but I don't remember it happening. Is there evidence of the anti tank being dropped?

No, there isn't, but that could just be because there were enough provisionals in for D'rek to do it all at once. There's no way to be certain if he's telling the truth one way or the other.

Another relevant piece to this puzzle is Hentos' claim:

Hentos Ilm, on 09 May 2014 - 11:55 AM, said:

I didn't hold a contract day 1.
First and foremost, I lacked play time and thus, using any contract I obtained responsibly was going to be hard.
You may see some proof of that in a discussion I had earlier (I think with you, Korvalain or maybe Demelain) where I said I ought to have picked up Shapeshifter because the unused votes would have gravitated towards me and might have made sure we had a lynch day 1, but oh well. You don't need to believe my word on this.

If he's the player that didn't hold the contract, then Demelain HAD to have a contract. I'd really like to hear which contract Demelain held during Day 1.

That is a very good point. There was one untaken contract on day 1. Demelain needs to come back and clarify things for us if he is town.

[Pran Chole]

I'm off, ,but will be back before timeout.

[Venesara]

Quick one from me. I'm away. Korvalain? The split thread thing lasts 2 days max. And that'd be a possible 2 lynched each day. It also says you can only target people in the same group with night actions. I have 3bps

[Anthras]

Venesara, on 09 May 2014 - 03:52 PM, said:

Quick one from me. I'm away. Korvalain? The split thread thing lasts 2 days max. And that'd be a possible 2 lynched each day. It also says you can only target people in the same group with night actions. I have 3bps

So as long as your not lynched you should be able to make it till the split is over. That is good.

[Venesara]

Quick one from me. I'm away. Korvalain? The split thread thing lasts 2 days max. And that'd be a possible 2 lynched each day. It also says you can only target people in the same group with night actions. I have 3bps

[Venesara]

Sorry signal is sporadic

[Okaros]

Path-Shaper, on 29 April 2014 - 05:53 PM, said:

Closed until Day 6 - This Contract is not yet available, but will become Open on the specified Day.
Open - No one currently holds this Contract, it is available for registration.
Registered - A player currently holds this Contract.
Fulfilled - This Contract has been Fulfilled. It cannot return to Open status.
Expired - A player has died with this Contract registered. It is lost forever.

Another thing we need to take into consideration - if we lynch Demelain while he's the Magician, then the contract is lost forever. The only way it returns is if someone Chronokinesis's him.

[Path-Shaper]

Venesara, on 09 May 2014 - 04:00 PM, said:

Quick one from me. I'm away. Korvalain? The split thread thing lasts 2 days max. And that'd be a possible 2 lynched each day. It also says you can only target people in the same group with night actions. I have 3bps

Ladies, gentlemen and blood-drinking psychopaths, we have a modkill.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 09 May 2014 - 04:21 PM

[Anthras]

Okaros, on 09 May 2014 - 04:17 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 29 April 2014 - 05:53 PM, said:

Closed until Day 6 - This Contract is not yet available, but will become Open on the specified Day.
Open - No one currently holds this Contract, it is available for registration.
Registered - A player currently holds this Contract.
Fulfilled - This Contract has been Fulfilled. It cannot return to Open status.
Expired - A player has died with this Contract registered. It is lost forever.

Another thing we need to take into consideration - if we lynch Demelain while he's the Magician, then the contract is lost forever. The only way it returns is if someone Chronokinesis's him.

After my mistake in regards to Kaschans lynch. I thought that he could be brought back via Chrono and we could have more PIed players. I asked PS if chrono can bring lynched people back. She said that it could not. So if we lynch Demelain then it is lost forever.

[Anthras]

Path-Shaper, on 09 May 2014 - 04:21 PM, said:

Venesara, on 09 May 2014 - 04:00 PM, said:

Quick one from me. I'm away. Korvalain? The split thread thing lasts 2 days max. And that'd be a possible 2 lynched each day. It also says you can only target people in the same group with night actions. I have 3bps

Ladies, gentlemen and blood-drinking psychopaths, we have a modkill.

Sigh.... Well that fucks up that plan.

[Okaros]

Karatallid, on 09 May 2014 - 02:11 PM, said:

Okaros, on 09 May 2014 - 02:07 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 09 May 2014 - 01:05 PM, said:

Wait a second.

Demelain's got Magic. Great. (Though I might add; Spectral Contract Manipulation is going to be one BITCH of a power. I know the series, and between the title of the power, the remuneration, and it's status, I'm willing to bet money that it is ridiculously useful - it's like D'rek has combined the remuneration of Havoc (the MOST devastating Contractor) with the powers of Bai and/or Izanami....and that is like holy fucking shit, in game terms.)

More importantly: Okaros is CI'ing Ven. Who has PI'd Hentos, and "trusts" Okaros. Are you guys sure that scum isn't playing out in the open?

For the record, I never CI'd Ven - I said Ven was VPI, and that Hentos was PI. The only person we should consider CI'd is myself, as you've already seen my CF. But frankly, I'd bet some money that scum are not amongst the three of us, but amongst the 7 of you.

Close enough, but fair correction.

I would like your input on Ven's post RE: apparently trying to kill 4+ people in one day (split the groups; 1 lynch, Dem's vigs in one, and a lynch in the other + possible other NKs in either).

It's a plan I would have suggested had it not already been suggested. Granted it could mean 4 deaths instead of 3, if the groups were split, and the person doing the splitting was lucky to get all the scum into one group, if Demelain is NOT scum, he'll get lynched anyway, and if he IS, then he won't be lynched, but will be forced to target other scum with his ability. All in all, I don't think it's a terribly bad idea.

[Korvalain]

Venesara, on 09 May 2014 - 04:00 PM, said:

Quick one from me. I'm away. Korvalain? The split thread thing lasts 2 days max. And that'd be a possible 2 lynched each day. It also says you can only target people in the same group with night actions. I have 3bps

Just catching up. It'd be 2 lynched each day were Demelain retarded enough to vote himself for the lynch, aye. The NA part was rather the point of splitting him away, therefore if he is scum he can't NK because he's in a group by himself. Or, in order to avoid a spam-fest, in a group with whoever has the Force Field (because of the Remuneration)

Ven, kindly explain where your 3 BPs came from because no contract bar Magic indicates 3 BPs.