[Karatallid]

Korvalain, on 08 May 2014 - 02:40 PM, said:

Hentos Ilm, on 08 May 2014 - 02:01 PM, said:

Venesara, on 08 May 2014 - 01:49 PM, said:

Hentos Ilm, on 08 May 2014 - 12:53 PM, said:

Venesara, on 08 May 2014 - 12:23 PM, said:

Hentos Ilm, on 08 May 2014 - 11:24 AM, said:

If I do go down, my alignment, strategy and intentions will be very clearly town.
If I don't go down, let's not talk about that. in the mean-time, I'd like to call attention to the following, which partly set up my current lynch.

Venesara, on 07 May 2014 - 11:03 AM, said:

Hentos Ilm, on 05 May 2014 - 06:12 PM, said:

Second, and out again - this is purely a courtesy visit. I will post more in 12-14 hours when at work.

So he had time to post at work but all he gave us was this...

Hentos Ilm, on 06 May 2014 - 12:26 PM, said:

Well, disappointing amount of replies, but that makes it at the very least easy to catch up.

Regarding the taking of contracts: since there are priority lists, it seems to me as if the confirmed contracts were the top of the priority-lists. If someone at a low priority requests a contract and higher prio players haven't checked in/submitted yet, those would be on hold, I imagine.

Let's see. That first post was the second player post of the game. The second quoted post was.... drumroll.... post # 37. Page 1. When Ven themselves was voting for a player for a misspelling of their name, several of the players hadn't checked in and we were firmly in no-content-land from just about everyone.

For those who don't bother checking back, it might seem a decent 'non-content' summary. Once you do check back, see that post in the context, it becomes a cheap shot and a bit of a silly case. To provide full context, I might add that, even if in the hour after that post, conversation catches up a bit.

That is not why you are being voted for. So what are you trying to say here?

Who would you vote for?

It might not be what I am voted for, (what the fuck am I voted for apart from no content, which is what your case is?) it is still a related set up due to bad reasoning.


I'd vote you, first and foremost. People fall over themselves to PI you on day 2 after a day 1 that was lynchless, and there have been multiple weird suggestions from you as well as the odd... let's call it... wording surrounding the contract. We are two days into the game and yet you start saying already that half the town doesn't react in its interests. Who are you to judge? In the same vein, your 'suggestion' that people shouldn't pick up the new contracts. Why? Half your posts are judgments, the others are recommendations without explanations.
Your voting pattern is odd, as well: you're jumping a lot. I also don't like how Demelain is giving you blowjobs every time he reacts to you.

So yeah, I'd search there.

Otherwise, Korbas' case is shaky (and probably rightly ignored) but it's original. He does a lot to deflate it, yet Tholen wants to bring it up again. That tickles my fancy as well.

I think it is the FACT that I relinquished a contract today mate for the sole purpose of letting you guys know which one I had. Someone else dropped one too but neither was a killing contract. So there are two people out there with a killing contract and one of them isn't me, FACT.

So the fact you didn't have a killing contract makes you no scum, is that your reasoning? That's very circumstantial and can even easily be plotted in advance if there's more than 3 scum by submitting a list of contracts you want. What you are actually saying here is: "Look at me being town, I even give you free info about me!"

WTF. If you feel so incredibly town and work so hard to PI yourself, why do you then release the contract that can best protect you and cause scum the loss of a NK, hmmm?


And not to detract from your reasoning, but actually, there's 3 contracts. Anti-Tank, Rupture and Blood-Induced Matter Transportation.



But who cares anyway, I am the consensus lynch.

The fact he had a contract that WAS NOT ONE OF THE FIRST FIVE TAKEN makes him not-scum. Unless you think we have 5 or more scum in game.

Just a thought (and this is why mechanics discussion is problematic):


Let's say that players 1-8 had submitted provisionals. In what order does PS update the taken contracts on-thread?


See...in order to PREVENT abuse of that function, PS could just as easily have updated random numbers between player one and player x, as long as all players between them have submitted, right? This would render any speculation on what is essentially meta timing irrelevant. And yet we're powering on ahead as if the logic is infallible. It's a nice assumption to make that this stuff is done in real-time is therefore beneficial to Town, but aside from #1 and #2, we have no real guarantee as to which ones ARE scum, and even within #1-5, we have no idea of the precise order, assuming that the first updated refer to players one through five in the order, not just a selection of five after provisionals in excess of five have been submitted!

[Karatallid]

Venesara, on 08 May 2014 - 02:56 PM, said:

Seriously, not long left to go. Hentos who would you pick right now?

Stop getting butt hurt because we are currently on your train, your defense feels quite... sulky!

Oh, they hypocrisy. And irony. Ven telling someone else their defence is "sulky"?

[Karatallid]

Korvalain, on 08 May 2014 - 02:58 PM, said:

Hentos Ilm, on 08 May 2014 - 02:52 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 08 May 2014 - 02:40 PM, said:

Hentos Ilm, on 08 May 2014 - 02:01 PM, said:

Venesara, on 08 May 2014 - 01:49 PM, said:

Hentos Ilm, on 08 May 2014 - 12:53 PM, said:

Venesara, on 08 May 2014 - 12:23 PM, said:

Hentos Ilm, on 08 May 2014 - 11:24 AM, said:

If I do go down, my alignment, strategy and intentions will be very clearly town.
If I don't go down, let's not talk about that. in the mean-time, I'd like to call attention to the following, which partly set up my current lynch.

Venesara, on 07 May 2014 - 11:03 AM, said:

Hentos Ilm, on 05 May 2014 - 06:12 PM, said:

Second, and out again - this is purely a courtesy visit. I will post more in 12-14 hours when at work.

So he had time to post at work but all he gave us was this...

Hentos Ilm, on 06 May 2014 - 12:26 PM, said:

Well, disappointing amount of replies, but that makes it at the very least easy to catch up.

Regarding the taking of contracts: since there are priority lists, it seems to me as if the confirmed contracts were the top of the priority-lists. If someone at a low priority requests a contract and higher prio players haven't checked in/submitted yet, those would be on hold, I imagine.

Let's see. That first post was the second player post of the game. The second quoted post was.... drumroll.... post # 37. Page 1. When Ven themselves was voting for a player for a misspelling of their name, several of the players hadn't checked in and we were firmly in no-content-land from just about everyone.

For those who don't bother checking back, it might seem a decent 'non-content' summary. Once you do check back, see that post in the context, it becomes a cheap shot and a bit of a silly case. To provide full context, I might add that, even if in the hour after that post, conversation catches up a bit.

That is not why you are being voted for. So what are you trying to say here?

Who would you vote for?

It might not be what I am voted for, (what the fuck am I voted for apart from no content, which is what your case is?) it is still a related set up due to bad reasoning.


I'd vote you, first and foremost. People fall over themselves to PI you on day 2 after a day 1 that was lynchless, and there have been multiple weird suggestions from you as well as the odd... let's call it... wording surrounding the contract. We are two days into the game and yet you start saying already that half the town doesn't react in its interests. Who are you to judge? In the same vein, your 'suggestion' that people shouldn't pick up the new contracts. Why? Half your posts are judgments, the others are recommendations without explanations.
Your voting pattern is odd, as well: you're jumping a lot. I also don't like how Demelain is giving you blowjobs every time he reacts to you.

So yeah, I'd search there.

Otherwise, Korbas' case is shaky (and probably rightly ignored) but it's original. He does a lot to deflate it, yet Tholen wants to bring it up again. That tickles my fancy as well.

I think it is the FACT that I relinquished a contract today mate for the sole purpose of letting you guys know which one I had. Someone else dropped one too but neither was a killing contract. So there are two people out there with a killing contract and one of them isn't me, FACT.

So the fact you didn't have a killing contract makes you no scum, is that your reasoning? That's very circumstantial and can even easily be plotted in advance if there's more than 3 scum by submitting a list of contracts you want. What you are actually saying here is: "Look at me being town, I even give you free info about me!"

WTF. If you feel so incredibly town and work so hard to PI yourself, why do you then release the contract that can best protect you and cause scum the loss of a NK, hmmm?


And not to detract from your reasoning, but actually, there's 3 contracts. Anti-Tank, Rupture and Blood-Induced Matter Transportation.



But who cares anyway, I am the consensus lynch.

The fact he had a contract that WAS NOT ONE OF THE FIRST FIVE TAKEN makes him not-scum. Unless you think we have 5 or more scum in game.

In that case, why don't we all fucking drop our contracts, hmmm?

Because then we'd be back where we started. There was two contracts dropped. Both were signed up *after* scum had theirs. Both those holders cannot be scum due to contract selection order. One is owned up to and no-one has counter-claimed so it is a solid claim.

Mhhmmhm. How much mafia have you played? There are reasons people might not counter-claim, for a start. And, well, see above RE: the logic of contract claim order.

[Karatallid]

Venesara, on 08 May 2014 - 03:03 PM, said:

Step back Hentos. As town you need to be flexible.

If I am not scum.

Who is setting me up? Does it benefit them to no lynch day one and keep focus on me?

What do you suggest going forward?

If you keep harping on about me being scum I have lost hope that you are indeed a town player. I cannot see you being a dumb player because there are none.

Oh, lord, does the scum ooze out of your posts, Ven. I hope you ARE town, just because it would mean you can get "worst town ever" award. No dumb players? If you look around the room and can't see anyone who is obviously an idiot...chances are, YOU are the idiot.



And yes, yes it does benefit scum to no lynch you and keep the focus on you. SO MUCH. But playing the "If I am not scum" card is just silly, regardless. It's another form of WIFOM.

[Pran Chole]

Korbas, on 09 May 2014 - 06:56 AM, said:

And it's your turn in eclispe 4.

Leave this bullshit out of this thread, please.

Hentos Ilm, on 09 May 2014 - 09:00 AM, said:

Cryokinesis the mage? We would have the contract locked up in Demelain, who's then unable to use it. It would be a win-win for town AND we can lynch a scummy prospect.

Not a bad idea, either.

Also, what'd I miss with Ven. Why's he say he can't die?

Karatallid, on 09 May 2014 - 12:09 PM, said:

Demelain, on 08 May 2014 - 02:07 PM, said:

sure thats cool.

i do admit if my hunch is wrong im gonna look funny. if ven is scum im gonna look really ba. as would you turning out town.

my main thing is last game we lost players worth keeping to poor lynch decisions. this time id like to try keep as many players we can PI in game.

i did start of saying as much. we're playing a game where players can and should be looking to pi each other. we can zone out scum early. thats all im trying to do.

players who can look into questionable players should make this easy if we work it out systematically.

And Ven is PI how?


Town should always be looking to PI each other. They should never be PI'ing each other WITHOUT GOOD FUCKING REASONS.

And I also don't see how Ven is good at looking into "questionable" players - his reasoning has been shit, very self-focused/focus-shifting, and his posts are not exactly the pinnacle of mafia posts. I may not have posted much, but at least what I have posted doesn't read like Ven's...scattershot rubbish.

Yeah, I also can't say I've been terribly impressed. And although I voiced support for Korbas' day 1 case of Anthras, since then Korbas' has been really rubbing me the wrong way for some reason.

[Anthras]

Pran Chole, on 08 May 2014 - 11:22 PM, said:

I agree. If town wants to keep that thing out of scum hands, the only sensible way is to lynch whoever takes it, every single time.

That way, no good townie will take it, and we auto-lynch scum. Not rocket-science.

This seems to be a very strange way to say that.

If town no if we and no good townie.


That isn't how a member of town would say that.

[Pran Chole]

Anthras, on 09 May 2014 - 12:22 PM, said:

Pran Chole, on 08 May 2014 - 11:22 PM, said:

I agree. If town wants to keep that thing out of scum hands, the only sensible way is to lynch whoever takes it, every single time.

That way, no good townie will take it, and we auto-lynch scum. Not rocket-science.

This seems to be a very strange way to say that.

If town no if we and no good townie.


That isn't how a member of town would say that.

Are we back to this wording bullshit yet again? I suggest you read it again.

Lets try again. If we decide to lynch whoever has it, EVERY TIME, then smart town will not take it. (and scum wouldn't dare)

I think Demelain is either scum, or an idiot.

[Karatallid]

Venesara, on 08 May 2014 - 04:47 PM, said:

Bad play by town both day one and 2

Really? FUCKING REALLY!?!?!

I hope you're including yourself as #1 bad town player in that analysis.

[Okaros]

Ugh, I've only skimmed the thread from my phone so far but I can see that today's gonna be a headache of a day. Once I am at work and I have taken care of the few actual work things I have to do I will be back to explain to you all where your logic is so wrong it hurts.

[Pran Chole]

Tholen, on 05 May 2014 - 09:46 PM, said:

The many possibilities for this game are interesting, trying to wrap my mind around it all.

So much ability available for everyone.




Checked in btw.

Tholen, on 06 May 2014 - 02:26 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 06 May 2014 - 12:10 PM, said:

Just checking in. The opening time for the thread coincided with a particularly long sleep/work/sleep/work cycle. I should be around a lot more tomorrow (hopefully).



Granted, Day One we really have nothing to go on with the current level of participation - I get the feeling the contracts speculation might distract us for a short while, which isn't entirely helpful. Scum don't have to keep using the same powers every night, so patterns etc in the killings may not be as reliable as normal, but at the end of the day they have to remove Town. By definition, unless a Town player has a really solid reason to believe someone is Scum, there should be no kills being thrown around that aren't Scum-on-Town. Long story short; we may end up hunting scum with more variable abilities, but Town should still be playing whatever abilities can be picked up for Town; so let's not get bogged down in too much mechanics speculation, eh?

Responding to these as I read, I disagree with the last line here. I think one our best methods for catching scums will be using all ability mechanics in the best way. I see the game as a race to counter their kills with our choosing the right combination of abilities and using them most efficiently. That's a rather obvious suggestion, but true none the less. This is why I say discussion of the mechanics could be most helpful.

Tholen, on 06 May 2014 - 02:34 PM, said:

Pran Chole, on 06 May 2014 - 11:45 AM, said:

Well, we're just starting to enter the main time period of most people's posting ability, so we don't need to give up just yet.
Day one lynch will be more random than usual, given "checking in" doesn't tell us much.

You, Aye Estos and Korabas have been the people who have contributed.

You've actually had something to say, Korabas is right IMO about day 1 giving a little information in terms of contracts, but not that much really. D'rek isn't going to give us an actual order, we just know what the first 6 or so, plus the next 3 were. I think we can assume that the last 3-4 were almost certainly town, and the other 3-5 have scum mixed in.

I read a couple posting about the order of contract but did anyone see the actual order of them, especially first? This could be possibly important information for today, so someone share this information for the rest.

Tholen, on 06 May 2014 - 02:38 PM, said:

Okaros, on 06 May 2014 - 02:17 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 29 April 2014 - 05:53 PM, said:

GC-817 | Invisibility
Registered
The contractor can turn themself invisible. Clothing and held objects are also affected.
Ability: While you hold this contract, the first ability to target you (in resolution order) each night will fail. You must choose whether to use invisibility or not each night.
Renumeration: Vomiting. You must ignore the first 10 posts of each day (no quoting them, no replying to them or defending against issues raised in them, etc. Treat follow-up posts that are after the first 10 as if they were not following upon anything.)
Relinquish: normal
Fulfillment: none

So do we think that this remuneration is in effect for Day 1 as well? It doesn't look like it was grabbed in the first go, so it's not likely scum that has it... Guess it's a moot point for us unless we want to try to PI whoever has it by cornering them... Though that would likely make them a target for scum.

Most likely for the day after each night they choose to use it.

Tholen, on 06 May 2014 - 04:44 PM, said:

Okaros, on 06 May 2014 - 02:40 PM, said:

Tholen, on 06 May 2014 - 02:34 PM, said:

Pran Chole, on 06 May 2014 - 11:45 AM, said:

Well, we're just starting to enter the main time period of most people's posting ability, so we don't need to give up just yet.
Day one lynch will be more random than usual, given "checking in" doesn't tell us much.

You, Aye Estos and Korabas have been the people who have contributed.

You've actually had something to say, Korabas is right IMO about day 1 giving a little information in terms of contracts, but not that much really. D'rek isn't going to give us an actual order, we just know what the first 6 or so, plus the next 3 were. I think we can assume that the last 3-4 were almost certainly town, and the other 3-5 have scum mixed in.

I read a couple posting about the order of contract but did anyone see the actual order of them, especially first? This could be possibly important information for today, so someone share this information for the rest.

We only know the first 5 contracts that were registered. It's posted somewhere upthread.

Roger that. I was thinking about the different ways of finding scum. The plain find contract. There's one with a faction find. There's the contract find, which we could use to form a good guess with. Then there's possession. If it wasn't taken by scum in those early picks then it could also help with a possible find method? Take over the alt, and read their role pm? Unless scum now chooses to erase those as a precaution, in which we say anyone with an erased role pm is scum! If we use everything right we can outpace kills.

Tholen, on 06 May 2014 - 04:51 PM, said:

Venesara, on 06 May 2014 - 04:16 PM, said:

Okaros, on 06 May 2014 - 03:51 PM, said:

Korbas, on 06 May 2014 - 03:50 PM, said:

Venesara, on 06 May 2014 - 03:30 PM, said:

Korbas, on 06 May 2014 - 03:14 PM, said:

Whoever has rupture: please, please be a good townie and hold onto that like it's a bottle of Glenfiddich. Never let it go and only open it on a very special occasion.

That is exactly what i would have done, if I was townie and I had received that role. So hopefully a townie did get it and will hold it back.

Interesting choice of wording in that sentence.

That IS a good catch - what do you mean IF you were a townie, Ven?

Well I am scum obviously! Hurr durr.

I am not really, I wouldn't be that loose with my wording. I see what you see, and to be honest, would be all over it if it was one of you guys!

I think this is the only thing I see right now. This plus your erratic style from the start with the weird joke votes. I'm going with Ven. I want to secure a vote in the chance something prevents me from coming back in time. I do plan on being here before that though. Until something substantially happens. vote Ven

Tholen, on 08 May 2014 - 03:38 PM, said:

Kara made it back before mod. I am placing him as very high chance of town.

Korbas is likely town in my gut.

I like Kaschan's thoughts about Korv sounding suspect.

Anthras, I not sure about.

Ven's claims about releasing his contract makes him now seem town to me.

I think HI is our only chance for a lynch. Earlier I worried we would lose Kara to mod, but now he's back and we might also see another confirmed town brought back. I think we are on the right track to clearing alt best way we can. Vote HI

Tholen, on 08 May 2014 - 03:40 PM, said:

Vote HI

Sorry,

[Pran Chole]

Tholen, on 08 May 2014 - 03:38 PM, said:

Kara made it back before mod. I am placing him as very high chance of town.

Korbas is likely town in my gut.

I like Kaschan's thoughts about Korv sounding suspect.

Anthras, I not sure about.

Ven's claims about releasing his contract makes him now seem town to me.

I think HI is our only chance for a lynch. Earlier I worried we would lose Kara to mod, but now he's back and we might also see another confirmed town brought back. I think we are on the right track to clearing alt best way we can. Vote HI

Tholen, on 08 May 2014 - 03:40 PM, said:

Vote HI

Sorry,

Tholen, on 08 May 2014 - 03:49 PM, said:

What is happen? I vote HI because time is running out. I voted before I saw switch vote posts.

Tholen, on 08 May 2014 - 03:53 PM, said:

Korbas, on 08 May 2014 - 03:51 PM, said:

Possession. Somebody is possessed and the possessor is voting but their vote doesn't count?

If so, then would some alt not be able to post? Could Pran be doing this? Has he said anything today?

Tholen, on 08 May 2014 - 04:00 PM, said:

Venesara, on 08 May 2014 - 03:54 PM, said:

Korbas, on 08 May 2014 - 03:51 PM, said:

Possession. Somebody is possessed and the possessor is voting but their vote doesn't count?

No their vote still counts. Something has obviously happened here. I think Hentos needs to be left today. I think Tholen and Kaschan look bad here.

Not if everyone doesn't catch on as fast as others. I still only maybe understand what you're saying.

remove Vote
Vote Kaschan

Tholen, on 08 May 2014 - 04:01 PM, said:

What is happen here!!?

Someone is trying to cause a no lynch?

Tholen, on 08 May 2014 - 04:03 PM, said:

Venesara, on 08 May 2014 - 04:00 PM, said:

Korbas, on 08 May 2014 - 03:58 PM, said:

Venesara, on 08 May 2014 - 03:54 PM, said:

Korbas, on 08 May 2014 - 03:51 PM, said:

Possession. Somebody is possessed and the possessor is voting but their vote doesn't count?

No their vote still counts. Something has obviously happened here. I think Hentos needs to be left today. I think Tholen and Kaschan look bad here.

Oh fuck that.

Remove Vote


Vote Venesara

Are you reading up? You'll see why I am being cautious. What makes you like the two I just fingered hey?

If I am scum, I could have just hammered Hentos after my vote removal

We need a lynch Ven. We didn't one yesterday. The cases for a good lynch get less when time is almost up. You need to quit saying everyone who isn't agree with you is scum because we want a lynch, instead of two no lynch.

[Pran Chole]

Tholen, on 08 May 2014 - 04:12 PM, said:

Venesara, on 08 May 2014 - 04:04 PM, said:

Okay so here are relevant quotes.

Hentos Ilm, on 08 May 2014 - 03:28 PM, said:

Korbas, on 08 May 2014 - 03:18 PM, said:

What the fuck is Hentos doing leading the conversation?

I just logged in. How much time do we have? And why is karatallid the lynch candidate?

Trying to talk sense into a smug bastard who considers himself CI on day 2, someone who believes in post stamps as the end-all, and a guy riding smug guy's coat tails.

Now that I calmed down a tiny bit:

One, lynching me will not lose us the game but it will be a very unfortunate set-back. Basically, it might have given us a true, certified CI.

Two, if I have to look past Ven for scum and if I would have to accept he's town, then I'd look in the opposite direction: people who really try and reinforce he's town to smell like roses (Demelain, Korvalain), and people who very quietly vote along but still try to discredit them a little bit, since a lynch will probably be required to get rid of him.

That doesn't change the fact that I think he's a prime scum candidate.

Maybe Kaschan's vote is too close to Hentos' "almost reveal"

Kaschan, on 08 May 2014 - 03:30 PM, said:

ok, I've read Hentos' little meltdown.

he's jumping to conclusions all over the place. He's also plain out misinterpreting the whole registering order mechanic. And he's taking the high ground by claiming that he has a brilliant plan and we'll be oh-so-sorry that we lynched him. combined with his earlier statement that he'd rather die than relinquish his contract, he's apparently our saviour.




well, fuck that noise. I'm not buying it.




vote Hentos Lim

So quite probably Kaschan is not the one,

Venesara, on 08 May 2014 - 03:32 PM, said:

Remove vote

I remove vote

Tholen, on 08 May 2014 - 03:38 PM, said:

Kara made it back before mod. I am placing him as very high chance of town.

Korbas is likely town in my gut.

I like Kaschan's thoughts about Korv sounding suspect.

Anthras, I not sure about.

Ven's claims about releasing his contract makes him now seem town to me.

I think HI is our only chance for a lynch. Earlier I worried we would lose Kara to mod, but now he's back and we might also see another confirmed town brought back. I think we are on the right track to clearing alt best way we can. Vote HI

Tholen hammers

Tholen, on 08 May 2014 - 03:40 PM, said:

Vote HI

Sorry,

But it isn't the hammer because I removed whilst he was typing up.

There wasn't 6 votes. I wasn't the hammer. You're right about me typing up while you posted though, but so was HI post. I came on hurrying to get my vote in, none of that squabble was posted yet, and I still barely understand. Time is running out. We trying to get a lynch here, if Hentos or Kaschan due to this top secret thing. Just make up minds!

Tholen, on 08 May 2014 - 04:50 PM, said:

For one, no need to make fun of my grammar or my typing. I'm doing my best and having to do more than mafia right now. I am not possessed. If I was, I would tell you tomorrow, unless I die. I hope Hentos didn't pull the best escape trick ever. If so, then Ven is either scum as well, or stupid as can be. I rushed on to get a vote in. I was posting when the entire Hentos, Kaschan, Ven stuff happened. We need a lynch, so I voted.

Vote Kaschan

Tholen, on 09 May 2014 - 01:57 AM, said:

Ok so much has happened and no time to dedicate to it until much later. I do say my vote looks like it will be on Dem, why risk it.

[Pran Chole]

This is the sum of everything Tholen has posted.

Read it, but be warned, it will bore you.

Agreement. Offering up the obvious. Summarizing. Makes a list of his feelings on people who have been in the spotlight. And then, there's the weird bit where he seems to lose his shit during the Hentos/Kaschan trains.

And he's received no heat. Nothing obvious, but in recent games we haven't had anything obvious by scum.

[Karatallid]

Wait a second.

Demelain's got Magic. Great. (Though I might add; Spectral Contract Manipulation is going to be one BITCH of a power. I know the series, and between the title of the power, the remuneration, and it's status, I'm willing to bet money that it is ridiculously useful - it's like D'rek has combined the remuneration of Havoc (the MOST devastating Contractor) with the powers of Bai and/or Izanami....and that is like holy fucking shit, in game terms.)

More importantly: Okaros is CI'ing Ven. Who has PI'd Hentos, and "trusts" Okaros. Are you guys sure that scum isn't playing out in the open?

[Karatallid]

Korbas, on 09 May 2014 - 07:00 AM, said:

Okaros. By any interpretation of the rules he cam back without a contract or with hallucination which was droppped. By the given rules, town without contracts get to choose after scum. So Demelain getting Magic makes him too dangereous to live.

As much as I think Anthras is scum, we simply cannot take the chance that Demelain is scum. Scum with magic could end the game today. So you need to pull a REALLY fucking good reason out of your limey ass to vote anywhere else.

Really? How many scum would need to be in this game (with Registration priority, no less) for scum to end the game with one of them having Magic? O.o

[Karatallid]

Korbas, on 09 May 2014 - 07:13 AM, said:

Anthras is scummy as hell. Hisidea to have chronomaster target the lynchee would fail utterly. Chrono can only reverse the results of night actions. Lynching is not a night action

But elimnatiing magic has to be our priority. Sure if we knew town ahd it, we'd be golden. but we can't be sure.

Dude. You've said "we need to eliminate magic" like three times in three posts.

[Karatallid]

Venesara, on 09 May 2014 - 07:34 AM, said:

Korbas.

Karatallid, Anthras, Tholen, Dem and I

On one side.

The rest on yours. We get to lynch a scummy player and dem can clear up other scummy players because I cannot die

So, you want TWO lynches today? Or am I reading the results of having two groups wrong?

[Anthras]

Pran Chole, on 09 May 2014 - 12:52 PM, said:

This is the sum of everything Tholen has posted.

Read it, but be warned, it will bore you.

Agreement. Offering up the obvious. Summarizing. Makes a list of his feelings on people who have been in the spotlight. And then, there's the weird bit where he seems to lose his shit during the Hentos/Kaschan trains.

And he's received no heat. Nothing obvious, but in recent games we haven't had anything obvious by scum.

Don't forget that somehow the lynch swung over onto Kash and not on to him. Which of the two I feel that his (none) hammer vote was more suspicious.

[Karatallid]

Venesara, on 09 May 2014 - 07:36 AM, said:

It has to be the list I've just said. That way Anthras, Karatallid or Tholen gets lynched and 2 of them die by dem

I BEG YOUR PARDON?!

What happened to "we have to get rid of Magic", HUH?

[Anthras]

Korbas, on 09 May 2014 - 07:33 AM, said:

Hentos Ilm, on 09 May 2014 - 07:25 AM, said:

Anthras, on 08 May 2014 - 06:18 PM, said:

Ryllandaras, on 08 May 2014 - 05:55 PM, said:

Anthras, on 08 May 2014 - 05:44 PM, said:

Venesara, on 08 May 2014 - 04:09 PM, said:

51 minutes remaining, do we think Tholen is the odd one here?

In fact you can fucking lynch me if you like. I don't mind because I would prefer to keep the bring back to life person alive, but if he is killed tonight then you'll lose two people who cannot kill regardless if you think they are scum or town. I am town, and will take one for the team if I must but please explain Tholen's hammer, or Kaschan's vote. One of them is scum.

Are you claiming a contract here?

Take a moment, a deep breath, and then read through.

Hentos Ilm was about to be lynched when he heavily hinted that he had a certain ability which would be useful to town. We'll hopefully find out after tonight if that was true or not.

The lynch swung to Kaschan because he immediately voted for Hentos after his hinting, stating that he didn't believe him at all. It looked - erroneously, it turns out - like he might be scum wanting to quickly lynch Hentos before the vote could swing. The same goes for Tholen after they voted for Hentos too after Kaschan.

Yeah I have read through twice now. The whole thing was a cluster fuck from Venesara saying ooops I caught something everyone switch over to Kaschan now. Then everyone else going ahhh yes I see it also. Because to say otherwise would imply that we aren't all as smart or as clever as we like to think that we are. A couple of people went hey wait why not Tholen as he would have been the actual hammer. Venesara said ignore that it is Kaschan who is scum.

Kaschan was understandably confused and going "huh WTF is going on?" then "Fuck you guys? I am town and I will come up town. yada yada yada" Then with an hour and a half everyone switched over to Kaschan and lynched him. I come back to the thread thinking that I have a couple of minutes before time out to see that Mental is lynched. So now we are down 3 town and soon to be a 4th unless scum hits a BP or town is able to guard them or something. Yes only one NK because the

UI-678 | Anti-tank Rifle Materialization
Registered
The contractor can spontaneously produce a Degtyarov PTRD Anti-Tank Rifle with a single shell already chambered.
Ability: The player gains a single-use Vig. The Vig can be used on any night, and is depleted whether it succeeds or not. The single-use is replenished each time this contract is relinquished and re-registered, even if by the same player.
Renumeration: Constructing and Releasing Origami Lanterns at Night. If the player successfully kills someone with their single-use Vig, they cannot perform any night action the following night.
Relinquish: normal
Fulfillment: Once this contract has been used to successfully kill 3 players (either by the same player or multiple players), it is Fulfilled.

We know that this was used last night and not dropped today so that scum player can't kill tonight. But the other one can. So there will be one nk tonight. This is just a thought and honestly I am surprised nobody else has pointed this out. Why doesn't the player who can bring people back. Just set it to bring the lynch target back. That way if they are town we don't lose them and if they CF as scum you let them die.

The lynch was just all kinds of wrong.

Because the contract can only undo Night results, and a lynch happens before that?

That would be my interpretation of the rules. Which Anthras in all his "god your stupid" arrogance apparently missed. Accidently? I leave that up to you.

again howver the prirotity in my mind has to be keeping Magic out of scum hands.

My drunken, vicodin fuled recomendation:

• We lynch Demelain. He's too dangerous to allow to live.
• Chrono rezzes Rhyllandaras.
• Scum do their two night kills (Anti tank is re-charged)

And we go from there.

Just for clarification purposes you seem to be saying that you don't think that a member of town picked up the Anti tank weapon when it was available and that scum picked it back up. Which would mean that according to you we should go ahead and lynch the member of town who can single handly win the game. Now which is it.

Is Demelain scum who went from the anti tank to magic and a town pick antitank up to keep it out of scum hands?
Or did Scum drop anti tank and pick it back up while Demelain made a grab for magic to use it to towns benefit?

Because I am a little confused on what you think. You come on very strongly to lynch Demelain (which I totally understand as I made that argument earlier) but then you think that scum still has the anti tank. Which we saw was open before magic was taken. Now originally I thought that Scum jumped to grab magic and then a member of town jumped and grabbed anti tank to keep it from falling back into their hands. Now I am not so sure. Because I could see a really good scum move to drop antitank and then pick it back up after a member of town takes magic.

I am a little drawn because if it is the first scenario then Demelain needs to be lynched. But if it is the second then he is our greatest chance at winning the game. Because right now I don't have a clue.