[Korbas]

other player's reactions to that case:

Ay Estos, on 06 May 2014 - 10:07 PM, said:

The case against Anthras

After an early check-in (possible early registration) he disappears for some time. He returns to post a single ultra-safe no content post, before disappearing for some more hours. Makes a comeback post about formatting ettiquete in a very pissy way, before saying he is willing to lynch Venesara. Clarifies for venesara the rules about revealing contracts, also in a very pissy way. Makes ONE legitimate post before announcing he is going to bed, that takes seven sentences to say "I didn't notice any others". Incites Venesara to be lynched threatening WIFOM if he survives. (Which I agreed with because a few people mentioned it, but if HE is one of the people threatening it?) As well as possibly deflecting attention from either Ryllandaras or Demelain? Later (all of this after saying he was going to sleep) he defends himself by putting blame on PS and that he "wasn't really paying that much attention".

Highly willing to go for a thin and trivial lynch, threatening WIFOM for the rest of the game if we don't follow through, staying on well after "going to sleep" to ensure the lynch because of a mistake.

Agree with Korbas who quoted a lot of relevant stuff.

Remove Vote

Vote Anthras

Tholen, on 06 May 2014 - 10:56 PM, said:

Korbas, on 06 May 2014 - 09:46 PM, said:

Anthras, on 06 May 2014 - 09:36 PM, said:

Oh and korbas look at the time between my first posts. There were all of 4 people on when I got on and one of the contracts where taken. Why would I assume that was weird when none of the other posters did. It is a high tmdi game there is a lot of stuff I just take as ps says.

Oh, I fully understand that I'm using 20-20 hindsight. It's not the time before you posted that bothers me. It's the empty 16 minutes after you posted. By the same logic that was used to argue that Hanas was #9, somewhere in those 16 minutes registrant #2 submitted their list.

You posted at 2:40. PS updated the contract post at 2:56 to show 5 contracts registered. (There might even have been an intermediate post that showed only 3 contracts, which would mean that the one I saw was done after registrant #4 submitted. The edit line only shows the last edit, not intervening ones.)

Hell, Anthras, I'll even give you your best defense: Even if you had slipped when you first mentioned the one contract gone, you'd have been a complete idiot to answer my query the way you did. Verifying that it was just the one gone.

But slips happen. And I think you did.

I'd be willing to bring this case up again on Day 2. Korbas has made a decent case, a very great case for Day 1 for fact. I still won't feel right about letting a first choice off our hook. It is a mistake I made once before. I am comfortable with Ven for today, and looking more into the time frame references from Korbas about Anthras tomorrow.

Day ends without a lynch. Note that i did switch to Ven in an attempt to get a lynch once I realized that there was no traction from others on Anthras.

Day 2 and Venesara runs over it in two lengthy posts.

http://forum.malazan...ost__p__1122989

http://forum.malazan...ost__p__1122990

and ends with a vote on Anthras.

Venesara, on 07 May 2014 - 11:10 AM, said:

I think Anthras needs to be investigated more and put under pressure because I think he is the best bet so far.

I don't like how people are hiding. Look at Hanas, he hasn't posted much but he didn't miss end of day and he did contribute for the lynch, so I am not complaining about low posting here, I am complaining about the willingness to let day time out. get your acts together.

Vote Anthras

Ven turns to me for analysis:

Venesara, on 07 May 2014 - 11:54 AM, said:

I also just noticed that both Okaros and Ay Estos were vocal players yet not the top poster of the game. Korbas was left untouched.

Who else did Korbas vote day one?

Venesara, on 07 May 2014 - 11:59 AM, said:

Korbas, on 06 May 2014 - 03:14 PM, said:

Whoever has rupture: please, please be a good townie and hold onto that like it's a bottle of Glenfiddich. Never let it go and only open it on a very special occasion.

Why would town get to acquire this and what made you so sure, two kills last night said you were wrong and it could have been a signal.

The next vote you do is

Korbas, on 06 May 2014 - 04:14 PM, said:

Out for a bit. I'm willing to drop a low post pressure vote

Hentos Ilm 2
Anthras 2
Ryllandaras 1
Karatallid 1
Hanas 1
Demelain

Demelain, on 06 May 2014 - 03:39 AM, said:

Morning morning!

Checking in and I'm off again. will be in a few hours later in the day.

Vote Demelain

which means this could again have been a signal to your low posting leader

Venesara, on 07 May 2014 - 12:00 PM, said:

Korbas, on 06 May 2014 - 06:46 PM, said:

Back and I see that a pressure vote popped Demelain out of his realm. So moving up the low post list:

Remove Vote


Vote Karatallid

Then you remove onto Kara. I think one of these could be your leader, if you are symp.

Venesara, on 07 May 2014 - 12:01 PM, said:

Venesara, on 06 May 2014 - 08:17 PM, said:

Right I neve been in front of a computer all day. I see that I am the obvious choice for today and that I don't have a great alternative for you.

I will vote Korbas for ignoring my slip. Seems scummy to avoid the elephant in the room

remove vote

vote korbas

Which bring me back to this. You did avoid the elephant in the room, I do wonder as to why. I am town, so it's hard to call a town scum from a scum perspective, you may end up sounding false, whereas from a town perspective it's easy to call someone out on it.

Venesara, on 07 May 2014 - 12:03 PM, said:

I am finding scum in many places and need to step back to let others have their say.

Secondly, I am going to be away for most of the weekend. I go to Barmouth at some point on Friday and return Sunday night. I will have my phone but I play many games. So today, tomorrow and Monday are going to be my busy days if I am alive and still around.

[Korbas]

Day two Anthras being pedantic. Spoilered because they really don't have much to do with a case. He wants to criticize my play style so I'm pointing out his/her's

Spoiler

Anthras, on 07 May 2014 - 05:07 PM, said:

Demelain, on 07 May 2014 - 04:14 PM, said:

Anthras, on 07 May 2014 - 02:49 PM, said:

As much as I would like to follow suit and relinquish my contract as Ven has done. I am not going to take that chance. I would rather be lynched.

Three ways to look at this.

--you're scum and know this will prove you're scum

--you're Town and you're holding onto a hugely vital ability

--You're town that picked up a scummy ability withholding the ability from scum but now cannot reveal as this will peg you as scum.


I'm not gonna ask you which category best fits you though it'd be great to get that somehow.

What are your thoughts on low posters?

Path-Shaper, on 07 May 2014 - 04:51 AM, said:

Day 1 timed out without a lynch.

1 votes for Anthras (Ay Estos)
7 votes for Venesara (Ryllandaras, Okaros, Anthras, Tholen, Korbas, Pran Chole, Hanas)
1 vote for Korbas (Venesara)


I'll start resolving night.

On the train I am certain Anthras was pushing Ven, it looks scummy to me but you can never be sure. I need to make my own read of Anthras in total. Anyone else pushing Ven looked legit on first glance. Would rather be sure of Anthras first I think so my vote on him is purely for information at this point.

Missing a vote are:
Myself, Hanas, Hentos Ilm, Karatallid, Kaschan and Korvalain,

Aside from myself whom I am biased about I am suspecting these six hold scum? All save Korvalain are low posters which can not be entirely accepted on face value. This is the best place to look in as the lack of a hammer is telling in my opinion, good that it happened but also a bit suspicious considering. I'll look at the stories offered for absences to see if theres something to chew on there.
Need to read back now and track what players focused on Ven but did not hammer and work from there.

will be around for another 3 hours or so.

The low posters I don't really have a read on. I feel that Hanas is around and reading the thread enough to know what is going on but he is barely posting. As I am busy in RL and still able to post this much I wonder about him. The others I don't really have a feel for.

I can tell you that I am not the first choice that you put down at the top of your post. But I would state that regardless of whether I was town or scum. I have already defended anything that I said yesterday and will continue further down that path. I will only this time offer clarification on what I saw and said.

I stated what I saw when someone asked about it. I did not think the contracts being registered from the start was strange and particularly noteworthy. Especially since PS had requested provisional's when she sent out the alts and roles. Thus I didn't think that the people who were posting could have had any correlation to the people who were posting at the beginning of the game. However when Korbas asked if anyone remembered what was taken first. I replied with what I remembered. That however made me scum and lead to the creation of a seperate train from Venesara. Now I did and still do (although less that nobody else has claimed that contract) think that Venesara should have been lynched for

Venesara, on 06 May 2014 - 03:30 PM, said:

Korbas, on 06 May 2014 - 03:14 PM, said:

Whoever has rupture: please, please be a good townie and hold onto that like it's a bottle of Glenfiddich. Never let it go and only open it on a very special occasion.

That is exactly what i would have done, if I was townie and I had received that role. So hopefully a townie did get it and will hold it back.

That is what we call a slip and should lead to someone to be lynched just on the off chance that they are scum. Venesara admitted and agreed with that. When town says something like that the amount of did he mean it could he be scum in later days of a game can lead to focus on that single player. I have seen it before lots of times. Thus my wanting to lynch him. All of which I stated when I pressed for his lynch. All of which I stand by because it is the right way to think in that situation.

Anthras, on 07 May 2014 - 07:08 PM, said:

Hanas, on 07 May 2014 - 06:51 PM, said:

Barely around atm. No-lynch is pathetic, esp at L-1 and like, 6 hours sitting at L-2 or something. Very frustrating; not sure how to proceed without reading up fully, lot of posts from Venesara it looks like.

Also, Demelain, you idiot, can you not read? You quoted PS where it shows my vote..then you say immediately after that I didn't vote. At least you can count, right? 9 votes + 6 alts on your list = 15 players. Fail.

Anthras - the word is "bated".

I literally have no time to comment on anything except these mundane details right now.

While you are technically correct the correct spelling is actually bated breath but it's so common these days to see it written as baited breath that there's every chance that it will soon become the usual form, to the disgust of conservative speakers and the confusion of dictionary writers. Examples in newspapers and magazines are legion; this one appeared in the Daily Mirror on 12 April 2003: "She hasn't responded yet but Michael is waiting with baited breath". It's easy to mock, but there's a real problem here. Bated and baited sound the same and we no longer use bated (let alone the verb to bate), outside this one set phrase, which has become an idiom. Confusion is almost inevitable. Bated here is a contraction of abated through loss of the unstressed first vowel (a process called aphesis); it means "reduced, lessened, lowered in force". So bated breath refers to a state in which you almost stop breathing as a result of some strong emotion, such as terror or awe.

Shakespeare is the first writer known to use it, in The Merchant of Venice, in which Shylock says to Antonio: "Shall I bend low and, in a bondman's key, / With bated breath and whisp'ring humbleness, / Say this ...". Nearly three centuries later, Mark Twain employed it in Tom Sawyer: "Every eye fixed itself upon him; with parted lips and bated breath the audience hung upon his words, taking no note of time, rapt in the ghastly fascinations of the tale".

For those who know the older spelling or who stop to consider the matter, baited breath evokes an incongruous image; Geoffrey Taylor humorously (and consciously) captured it in verse in his poem Cruel Clever Cat:

Sally, having swallowed cheese,
Directs down holes the scented breeze,
Enticing thus with baited breath
Nice mice to an untimely death.

[I'm indebted to Rainer Thonnes for telling me about this little ditty, which appears in an anthology called [i]Catscript[/i], edited by Marie Angel. However, it was first published in 1933 in a limited edition of Geoffrey Taylor's poems entitled A Dash of Garlic.]

I stand by my use of baited because any language changes through time. One of the easiest examples is the word gay. But thank you for your thoughts.

[Korbas]

Kaschan on Anthras, Ven and myself:

Kaschan, on 08 May 2014 - 01:47 AM, said:

Anthras, on 07 May 2014 - 02:49 PM, said:

As much as I would like to follow suit and relinquish my contract as Ven has done. I am not going to take that chance. I would rather be lynched.

que?

Kaschan, on 08 May 2014 - 02:07 AM, said:

I've actually had much more stuff I wanted to quote, but most of Day 1 seemingly revolved around the discussion of Hallucination, which is moot, since the peson who picked it is dead and the contract expired.




Currently we have Venesara, Korbas and Antras as persons of interest.

Ven has made a slip. and yet everyone and their dog seem to consider them inno, but want to vote them off anyway. I've never seen the merit in this argument, esp about day 1 lynches.

Anthras gets a lot of attention, because of his story re: early registrants and some other stuff. I particularly dislike his comment that elicited my previous post. Inclined to vote him just for that.

Korbas seems to play the reasonable player. The criticism of him seems to be: 2nd and 3rd highest posters were NK-ed, why not top poster? The question is so much WIFOM it's not even funny.

Also, some suspicions in my mind about Korv.

Hmm. gonna sleep on it before voting.

Korbas, on 08 May 2014 - 07:23 AM, said:

I've got a vote on Hentos. Perfectly willing to vote Anthras for the same reason as yesterday Plus comment about rather being lynched than relinquish his current contract.

I'd vote you if things swing that way. You never did say whether your BP was hit.

Korbas, on 08 May 2014 - 07:35 AM, said:

math ain't my strong point at this current time

At which point I go to sleep. And miss almost all of the clusterfuck.

[Pran Chole]

To comment, I am not upset that Hentos was not lynched as I didn't really see what he was up for other than low posting. Although I understand Ven's reason for changing, it was a pretty thin reason for the huge train shift.

[Korbas]

Pran Chole, on 08 May 2014 - 10:01 PM, said:

Korbas, on 08 May 2014 - 07:21 PM, said:

I'm going to go mow the lawn. While playing something really loud. Garbage maybe.

In the meantime, a pressure vote. Pran, come out and play with us again.

Vote Pran Chole

Okaros, on 08 May 2014 - 08:08 PM, said:

Pran Chole, on 07 May 2014 - 06:09 AM, said:

That's me done for the day too. At least with two kills we can be pretty sure one scum won't have a kill tonight.

So this was Pran Chole's last post - if he's scum, he's not being very active at all. He's flirting with modkill at the moment, if I'm not mistaken.

Okaros, on 08 May 2014 - 08:59 PM, said:

Possession is now open too.

I am also back.

From possession that is.

That final message from "me" about being out for the night was not actually me, and then they didn't bother to post for the rest of Day 2.

Hmm. Ok, I'll buy that for now. Especially seeing as how I have moved back to Anthras. Did they make any PMs to PS?

[Korbas]

I relinquished XR-821 | Hormonal Attraction Amplification a couple of hours ago.

Whomever picks it up, don't bother trying me because I now have leprosy. My target choices were Ay Estos night 1 and Rhyll night 2. Which prompted my joke question to PS. I think there may be more to spatial teleportation than is apparent in the description. Or it could be coincidence.

I picked AE night one because i thought he might be scum and wanted the "can't target you with night actions" protection. Rhyll night two because I wanted to make a connection to discuss the game.

[Pran Chole]

Yeah, there were PMs back and forth between the both of us, filled with bullshit.

[Demelain]

You there, Young sirs? Good day!

Let me tell ye a secret.






....








I am the world's greatest magician!

observe!

:

Spoiler

Indeed I am The holder of the vig most imboldered
day two wasit relinquished to me.

Doubt me thy will. I wish you no ill
But please hear first my schemery.

My firstmost desire I did most aspire
To hold the vig quite early on.

Failed this did I, to much my chagrin
but still I was keen to set on!

Unpicked was my power till such second hour
and set I for the vig with a flourish.

Relinquished it was, so along came I
to grab it and hold it mine hostage

Now use it I didn't denying scum finish.
a second murderous plot.

Now relinquish it still no scum would then steal
this most obvious power I thought.

Allow me to use it and we now have won.
Lynch me and scum take the game

After me two more town and most likely more down
this game will then come to an end.

Now good sirs, test my magic, be it brilliance or fiendish duplicity?!

Best be sure I regret nothing.

My plan worked quite well

or so did I think my prestige sweet in its ring.



Be I on the stage for an hour as late is the time of my abode.
It is for the greater minds to divine whats worth in my rhyme
and hopefully see the shine of my performance.

Adieu!

[Pran Chole]

Fantastic.

I'm off to work, will have time to post this afternoon.

[Okaros]

Demelain, on 08 May 2014 - 10:29 PM, said:

You there, Young sirs? Good day!

Let me tell ye a secret.






....








I am the world's greatest magician!

observe!

:

Spoiler

Indeed I am The holder of the vig most imboldered
day two wasit relinquished to me.

Doubt me thy will. I wish you no ill
But please hear first my schemery.

My firstmost desire I did most aspire
To hold the vig quite early on.

Failed this did I, to much my chagrin
but still I was keen to set on!

Unpicked was my power till such second hour
and set I for the vig with a flourish.

Relinquished it was, so along came I
to grab it and hold it mine hostage

Now use it I didn't denying scum finish.
a second murderous plot.

Now relinquish it still no scum would then steal
this most obvious power I thought.

Allow me to use it and we now have won.
Lynch me and scum take the game

After me two more town and most likely more down
this game will then come to an end.

Now good sirs, test my magic, be it brilliance or fiendish duplicity?!

Best be sure I regret nothing.

My plan worked quite well

or so did I think my prestige sweet in its ring.



Be I on the stage for an hour as late is the time of my abode.
It is for the greater minds to divine whats worth in my rhyme
and hopefully see the shine of my performance.

Adieu!

You sir, get all the rep at the end of this game. Amazing.

[Anthras]

Demelain that is a great plan. There is just one little wrinkle the fact that if your scum you can kill 3 people tonight. So yeah when you take that into account I don't see how town can afford to let you live.

[Anthras]

Korbas, on 08 May 2014 - 09:36 PM, said:

No betting on games. Trying to get me modkilled before I can finish my reading?

"This morning" for me is the end of Day 2 gametime.

We aren't betting on the game. You are agreeing that when I am lynched and come up town you will reevaluate how you look and play the game. Because you have been off all game.

[Korbas]

Korbas, on 08 May 2014 - 05:09 PM, said:

Venesara, on 08 May 2014 - 04:47 PM, said:

Bad play by town both day one and 2

While I do not disagree with you, I cannot help but think that you are a fair bit of that problem. I have no idea what happened this morning, I went with the crowd. But I'm going to have the time later to figure out what happened. I'm starting with you and Hentos when I do.

I've read through that twice now and still can't figure out what the fuck happened.

I hate poetry. And I've had a bad day.

So will somebody please explain to me what the fuck Demelain is saying?


Anthras, I still think you're scum. I also am aware that my lawyer/doctor/sister induced headache is fucking with me. so

Remove Vote

[Korbas]

Anthras, on 08 May 2014 - 10:56 PM, said:

Korbas, on 08 May 2014 - 09:36 PM, said:

No betting on games. Trying to get me modkilled before I can finish my reading?

"This morning" for me is the end of Day 2 gametime.

We aren't betting on the game. You are agreeing that when I am lynched and come up town you will reevaluate how you look and play the game. Because you have been off all game.

I thought you were going to bed? An hour ago.

See my crosspost.

[Korbas]

Anthras, on 08 May 2014 - 10:47 PM, said:

Demelain that is a great plan. There is just one little wrinkle the fact that if your scum you can kill 3 people tonight. So yeah when you take that into account I don't see how town can afford to let you live.

Here's a wrinkle for you assessment.

"Renumeration: The player must proclaim themselves on-thread, in bold, to be the world's greatest magician. From there-on they must roleplay on-thread and in PMs as being an eccentric and insane magician to a significant degree, though this does not mean they can't be helpful to the thread and their faction."

Why would scum reveal this early? There's not a thing in there that says they have to declare at any given time. Given that scum know each other and Magic has 2 kills why would a scum not just wait until 2 minutes before EoD/lynch to declare? Demelain has been such a low poster that he could easily have gotten away with that.

[Anthras]

Korbas, on 08 May 2014 - 10:57 PM, said:

Anthras, on 08 May 2014 - 10:56 PM, said:

Korbas, on 08 May 2014 - 09:36 PM, said:

No betting on games. Trying to get me modkilled before I can finish my reading?

"This morning" for me is the end of Day 2 gametime.

We aren't betting on the game. You are agreeing that when I am lynched and come up town you will reevaluate how you look and play the game. Because you have been off all game.

I thought you were going to bed? An hour ago.

See my crosspost.

No I was leaving work

[Anthras]

Korbas, on 08 May 2014 - 11:05 PM, said:

Anthras, on 08 May 2014 - 10:47 PM, said:

Demelain that is a great plan. There is just one little wrinkle the fact that if your scum you can kill 3 people tonight. So yeah when you take that into account I don't see how town can afford to let you live.

Here's a wrinkle for you assessment.

"Renumeration: The player must proclaim themselves on-thread, in bold, to be the world's greatest magician. From there-on they must roleplay on-thread and in PMs as being an eccentric and insane magician to a significant degree, though this does not mean they can't be helpful to the thread and their faction."

Why would scum reveal this early? There's not a thing in there that says they have to declare at any given time. Given that scum know each other and Magic has 2 kills why would a scum not just wait until 2 minutes before EoD/lynch to declare? Demelain has been such a low poster that he could easily have gotten away with that.

There is that. I am aware of the announcement requirement. Did you miss the spot where I quoted it and underlined it?

Regardless don't you find it suspicious that a player who people suspect as possible scum got that ability. Obviously they had a higher spot then say okaros who stated that he went for it.

If I went for it you would lynch me.

[Pran Chole]

I agree. If town wants to keep that thing out of scum hands, the only sensible way is to lynch whoever takes it, every single time.

That way, no good townie will take it, and we auto-lynch scum. Not rocket-science.

[Demelain]

Korbas, on 08 May 2014 - 11:05 PM, said:

Anthras, on 08 May 2014 - 10:47 PM, said:

Demelain that is a great plan. There is just one little wrinkle the fact that if your scum you can kill 3 people tonight. So yeah when you take that into account I don't see how town can afford to let you live.

Here's a wrinkle for you assessment.

"Renumeration: The player must proclaim themselves on-thread, in bold, to be the world's greatest magician. From there-on they must roleplay on-thread and in PMs as being an eccentric and insane magician to a significant degree, though this does not mean they can't be helpful to the thread and their faction."

Why would scum reveal this early? There's not a thing in there that says they have to declare at any given time. Given that scum know each other and Magic has 2 kills why would a scum not just wait until 2 minutes before EoD/lynch to declare? Demelain has been such a low poster that he could easily have gotten away with that.

My apologies. Too much to respond I doth protest.

The above does fit my wits closest.

[Demelain]

Pran Chole, on 08 May 2014 - 11:22 PM, said:

I agree. If town wants to keep that thing out of scum hands, the only sensible way is to lynch whoever takes it, every single time.

That way, no good townie will take it, and we auto-lynch scum. Not rocket-science.

had this been decided earliest

good man this attempt I'd have not dealt with.

My earnest of hopes was to hold it.


Good friends I will not waste your time.

Late is the hour of mine. I ask you to do as you feel best.

No resentment doth lie in me, earnest.

If more from me you need I will reply with great speed.

The powers are great but so risk indeed. I ask you to give me till morrow.

(5hrs max)